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Posted to dev@tuscany.apache.org by kelvin goodson <kg...@thegoodsons.org.uk> on 2010/06/01 17:44:52 UTC
lib directory in binary distro
Given that the /lib directory of the binary distro contains tuscany
and 3rd party artifacts I'm finding it hard to come up with a succinct
description of this directory for the INSTALL file in the binary
distro. Can someone with a better perspective on this give me a quick
description of its raison d'être suitable for putting in the INSTALL
file please.
28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> .
28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> ..
28/05/2010 15:55 278,682 cglib-2.2.jar
28/05/2010 15:55 876,708 hazelcast-1.8.3.jar
28/05/2010 15:55 94,776 hazelcast-client-1.8.3.jar
28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> spring
28/05/2010 15:55 2,109,436 tuscany-base-2.0-M5.jar
28/05/2010 15:55 32,929 tuscany-sca-api-2.0-M5.jar
28/05/2010 15:55 148,429 wsdl4j-1.6.2.jar
28/05/2010 15:55 143,145 XmlSchema-1.4.3.jar
7 File(s) 3,684,105 bytes
Directory of C:\Releasing\2.xm5\tags\sca-java-2.0-M5\distribution\all\target\apache-tuscany-sca-all-2.0-M5.dir\tuscany-sca-2.0-M5\lib\sprin
g
28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> .
28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> ..
28/05/2010 15:55 486,031 spring-beans-2.5.5.jar
28/05/2010 15:55 473,513 spring-context-2.5.5.jar
28/05/2010 15:55 287,235 spring-core-2.5.5.jar
28/05/2010 15:55 98,896 tuscany-spring-2.0-M5.jar
4 File(s) 1,345,675 bytes
Total Files Listed:
11 File(s) 5,029,780 bytes
5 Dir(s) 116,712,214,528 bytes free
C:\Releasing\2.xm5\tags\sca-java-2.0-M5\distribution\all\target\apache-tuscany-sca-all-2.0-M5.dir\tuscany-sca-2.0-M5\lib>
Re: lib directory in binary distro
Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Raymond Feng <cy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If we decide to have them in M5, we should document that it's experimental
>>>> and subject to further changes. The bottom line is that I want to make sure
>>>> the door is still open and the "existence" of such jars in M5 is NOT an
>>>> excuse to stay as-is in the future :-).
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Raymond
>>>
>>> In the past, people have told me multiple times that I can't change
>>> something because we have previously released it. So, as suggested by
>>> Raymond, if we release it, I want to make sure we clearly mention this
>>> is experimental and might go away in the future. My personal
>>> preference would be to make it available in trunk where people
>>> interested in this approach could evaluate/play with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My feeling is that these are milestone releases as we head towards a
>> 2.0 release proper and I don't personally feel that there are sacred
>> cows in there, i.e. I don't subscribe to the "once it's it it can't be
>> removed" notion.
>>
>> We do need to have a discussion about the
>> format/structure/capabilities of the 2.0 release and when we think we
>> might be ready to create such a thing. To a certain a extent we've
>> been down this road before and for some reason it's not been plain
>> sailing. We do though need to reach some conclusions so that we can
>> get on with building the interesting stuff. So first things first how
>> do people suggest we go about doing that?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>
> How about we start with a "simple paragraph" describing a use case
> which is not covered by the current manifest jar we have in modules.
> Once we have a clear understanding of what we are trying to solve, I
> guess we can start discussing if there is a way to enhance what we
> currently have or if we should create/continue with a new approach.
>
>
> --
> Luciano Resende
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> http://twitter.com/lresende1975
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>
Sounds reasonable. Anyone have scenario descriptions they want to share?
Simon
--
Apache Tuscany committer: tuscany.apache.org
Co-author of a book about Tuscany and SCA: tuscanyinaction.com
Re: lib directory in binary distro
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Raymond Feng <cy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If we decide to have them in M5, we should document that it's experimental
>>> and subject to further changes. The bottom line is that I want to make sure
>>> the door is still open and the "existence" of such jars in M5 is NOT an
>>> excuse to stay as-is in the future :-).
>>> Thanks,
>>> Raymond
>>
>> In the past, people have told me multiple times that I can't change
>> something because we have previously released it. So, as suggested by
>> Raymond, if we release it, I want to make sure we clearly mention this
>> is experimental and might go away in the future. My personal
>> preference would be to make it available in trunk where people
>> interested in this approach could evaluate/play with it.
>>
>>
>>
>
> My feeling is that these are milestone releases as we head towards a
> 2.0 release proper and I don't personally feel that there are sacred
> cows in there, i.e. I don't subscribe to the "once it's it it can't be
> removed" notion.
>
> We do need to have a discussion about the
> format/structure/capabilities of the 2.0 release and when we think we
> might be ready to create such a thing. To a certain a extent we've
> been down this road before and for some reason it's not been plain
> sailing. We do though need to reach some conclusions so that we can
> get on with building the interesting stuff. So first things first how
> do people suggest we go about doing that?
>
> Simon
>
How about we start with a "simple paragraph" describing a use case
which is not covered by the current manifest jar we have in modules.
Once we have a clear understanding of what we are trying to solve, I
guess we can start discussing if there is a way to enhance what we
currently have or if we should create/continue with a new approach.
--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: lib directory in binary distro
Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Raymond Feng <cy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If we decide to have them in M5, we should document that it's experimental
>> and subject to further changes. The bottom line is that I want to make sure
>> the door is still open and the "existence" of such jars in M5 is NOT an
>> excuse to stay as-is in the future :-).
>> Thanks,
>> Raymond
>
> In the past, people have told me multiple times that I can't change
> something because we have previously released it. So, as suggested by
> Raymond, if we release it, I want to make sure we clearly mention this
> is experimental and might go away in the future. My personal
> preference would be to make it available in trunk where people
> interested in this approach could evaluate/play with it.
>
>
> --
> Luciano Resende
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> http://twitter.com/lresende1975
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>
My feeling is that these are milestone releases as we head towards a
2.0 release proper and I don't personally feel that there are sacred
cows in there, i.e. I don't subscribe to the "once it's it it can't be
removed" notion.
We do need to have a discussion about the
format/structure/capabilities of the 2.0 release and when we think we
might be ready to create such a thing. To a certain a extent we've
been down this road before and for some reason it's not been plain
sailing. We do though need to reach some conclusions so that we can
get on with building the interesting stuff. So first things first how
do people suggest we go about doing that?
Simon
--
Apache Tuscany committer: tuscany.apache.org
Co-author of a book about Tuscany and SCA: tuscanyinaction.com
Re: lib directory in binary distro
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Raymond Feng <cy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If we decide to have them in M5, we should document that it's experimental
> and subject to further changes. The bottom line is that I want to make sure
> the door is still open and the "existence" of such jars in M5 is NOT an
> excuse to stay as-is in the future :-).
> Thanks,
> Raymond
In the past, people have told me multiple times that I can't change
something because we have previously released it. So, as suggested by
Raymond, if we release it, I want to make sure we clearly mention this
is experimental and might go away in the future. My personal
preference would be to make it available in trunk where people
interested in this approach could evaluate/play with it.
--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: lib directory in binary distro
Posted by Raymond Feng <cy...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Simplifying the setting of classpath doesn't seems to be strong reason to add such jars into the contributions. Which environment do you refer to for the classpath?
1. Eclipse
2. Ant
3. Maven
4. OSGi
If people use Maven, they don't have to worry about this. For Ant users, we already generate features/build_path.xml which defines the classpath out of the distro structure. Our distro supports OSGi as-is. We also generate a features/tuscany-sca-manifest.jar which has Class-Path set to the jars under the distro.
I was also playing with the Eclipse user library . We could potentially generate a XML file so that it can be imported into Eclipse as "TUSCANY_LIBRARY" user library.
If we decide to have them in M5, we should document that it's experimental and subject to further changes. The bottom line is that I want to make sure the door is still open and the "existence" of such jars in M5 is NOT an excuse to stay as-is in the future :-).
Thanks,
Raymond
________________________________________________________________
Raymond Feng
rfeng@apache.org
Apache Tuscany PMC member and committer: tuscany.apache.org
Co-author of Tuscany SCA In Action book: www.tuscanyinaction.com
Personal Web Site: www.enjoyjava.com
________________________________________________________________
On Jun 3, 2010, at 6:10 AM, ant elder wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:44 AM, kelvin goodson <kg...@thegoodsons.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> Given that the /lib directory of the binary distro contains tuscany
>>>> and 3rd party artifacts I'm finding it hard to come up with a succinct
>>>> description of this directory for the INSTALL file in the binary
>>>> distro. Can someone with a better perspective on this give me a quick
>>>> description of its raison d'être suitable for putting in the INSTALL
>>>> file please.
>>>>
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> .
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> ..
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 278,682 cglib-2.2.jar
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 876,708 hazelcast-1.8.3.jar
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 94,776 hazelcast-client-1.8.3.jar
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> spring
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 2,109,436 tuscany-base-2.0-M5.jar
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 32,929 tuscany-sca-api-2.0-M5.jar
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 148,429 wsdl4j-1.6.2.jar
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 143,145 XmlSchema-1.4.3.jar
>>>> 7 File(s) 3,684,105 bytes
>>>>
>>>> Directory of C:\Releasing\2.xm5\tags\sca-java-2.0-M5\distribution\all\target\apache-tuscany-sca-all-2.0-M5.dir\tuscany-sca-2.0-M5\lib\sprin
>>>> g
>>>>
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> .
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> ..
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 486,031 spring-beans-2.5.5.jar
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 473,513 spring-context-2.5.5.jar
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 287,235 spring-core-2.5.5.jar
>>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 98,896 tuscany-spring-2.0-M5.jar
>>>> 4 File(s) 1,345,675 bytes
>>>>
>>>> Total Files Listed:
>>>> 11 File(s) 5,029,780 bytes
>>>> 5 Dir(s) 116,712,214,528 bytes free
>>>>
>>>> C:\Releasing\2.xm5\tags\sca-java-2.0-M5\distribution\all\target\apache-tuscany-sca-all-2.0-M5.dir\tuscany-sca-2.0-M5\lib>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What is the reason to have the lib folder ? Are these jars all
>>> duplicate jars from inside modules ?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Luciano Resende
>>> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
>>> http://twitter.com/lresende1975
>>> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>
>> IIUC this is looking at how to aggregate the information in modules
>> into more coarse grained jars to ease classpath creation without
>> having to rely on the Tuscany distro structure.
>>
>> A solution for M5 would simply be to update the INSTALL file to
>> mention it's existence. We can review the whole
>> jar/manifest/modules/lib question post M5.
>>
>
> Sorry this dropped off the bottom of my emails list. +1 to Simons
> comments. While we have just the one all distribution everything gets
> put in it which does look a bit odd, but its seems a little late in M5
> to go changing it, would be good to review it all post M5.
>
> ...ant
Re: lib directory in binary distro
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:44 AM, kelvin goodson <kg...@thegoodsons.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Given that the /lib directory of the binary distro contains tuscany
>>> and 3rd party artifacts I'm finding it hard to come up with a succinct
>>> description of this directory for the INSTALL file in the binary
>>> distro. Can someone with a better perspective on this give me a quick
>>> description of its raison d'être suitable for putting in the INSTALL
>>> file please.
>>>
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> .
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> ..
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 278,682 cglib-2.2.jar
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 876,708 hazelcast-1.8.3.jar
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 94,776 hazelcast-client-1.8.3.jar
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> spring
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 2,109,436 tuscany-base-2.0-M5.jar
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 32,929 tuscany-sca-api-2.0-M5.jar
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 148,429 wsdl4j-1.6.2.jar
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 143,145 XmlSchema-1.4.3.jar
>>> 7 File(s) 3,684,105 bytes
>>>
>>> Directory of C:\Releasing\2.xm5\tags\sca-java-2.0-M5\distribution\all\target\apache-tuscany-sca-all-2.0-M5.dir\tuscany-sca-2.0-M5\lib\sprin
>>> g
>>>
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> .
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> ..
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 486,031 spring-beans-2.5.5.jar
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 473,513 spring-context-2.5.5.jar
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 287,235 spring-core-2.5.5.jar
>>> 28/05/2010 15:55 98,896 tuscany-spring-2.0-M5.jar
>>> 4 File(s) 1,345,675 bytes
>>>
>>> Total Files Listed:
>>> 11 File(s) 5,029,780 bytes
>>> 5 Dir(s) 116,712,214,528 bytes free
>>>
>>> C:\Releasing\2.xm5\tags\sca-java-2.0-M5\distribution\all\target\apache-tuscany-sca-all-2.0-M5.dir\tuscany-sca-2.0-M5\lib>
>>>
>>
>> What is the reason to have the lib folder ? Are these jars all
>> duplicate jars from inside modules ?
>>
>> --
>> Luciano Resende
>> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
>> http://twitter.com/lresende1975
>> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>>
>
> IIUC this is looking at how to aggregate the information in modules
> into more coarse grained jars to ease classpath creation without
> having to rely on the Tuscany distro structure.
>
> A solution for M5 would simply be to update the INSTALL file to
> mention it's existence. We can review the whole
> jar/manifest/modules/lib question post M5.
>
Sorry this dropped off the bottom of my emails list. +1 to Simons
comments. While we have just the one all distribution everything gets
put in it which does look a bit odd, but its seems a little late in M5
to go changing it, would be good to review it all post M5.
...ant
Re: lib directory in binary distro
Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:44 AM, kelvin goodson <kg...@thegoodsons.org.uk> wrote:
>> Given that the /lib directory of the binary distro contains tuscany
>> and 3rd party artifacts I'm finding it hard to come up with a succinct
>> description of this directory for the INSTALL file in the binary
>> distro. Can someone with a better perspective on this give me a quick
>> description of its raison d'être suitable for putting in the INSTALL
>> file please.
>>
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> .
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> ..
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 278,682 cglib-2.2.jar
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 876,708 hazelcast-1.8.3.jar
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 94,776 hazelcast-client-1.8.3.jar
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> spring
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 2,109,436 tuscany-base-2.0-M5.jar
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 32,929 tuscany-sca-api-2.0-M5.jar
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 148,429 wsdl4j-1.6.2.jar
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 143,145 XmlSchema-1.4.3.jar
>> 7 File(s) 3,684,105 bytes
>>
>> Directory of C:\Releasing\2.xm5\tags\sca-java-2.0-M5\distribution\all\target\apache-tuscany-sca-all-2.0-M5.dir\tuscany-sca-2.0-M5\lib\sprin
>> g
>>
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> .
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> ..
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 486,031 spring-beans-2.5.5.jar
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 473,513 spring-context-2.5.5.jar
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 287,235 spring-core-2.5.5.jar
>> 28/05/2010 15:55 98,896 tuscany-spring-2.0-M5.jar
>> 4 File(s) 1,345,675 bytes
>>
>> Total Files Listed:
>> 11 File(s) 5,029,780 bytes
>> 5 Dir(s) 116,712,214,528 bytes free
>>
>> C:\Releasing\2.xm5\tags\sca-java-2.0-M5\distribution\all\target\apache-tuscany-sca-all-2.0-M5.dir\tuscany-sca-2.0-M5\lib>
>>
>
> What is the reason to have the lib folder ? Are these jars all
> duplicate jars from inside modules ?
>
> --
> Luciano Resende
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> http://twitter.com/lresende1975
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>
IIUC this is looking at how to aggregate the information in modules
into more coarse grained jars to ease classpath creation without
having to rely on the Tuscany distro structure.
A solution for M5 would simply be to update the INSTALL file to
mention it's existence. We can review the whole
jar/manifest/modules/lib question post M5.
Simon
--
Apache Tuscany committer: tuscany.apache.org
Co-author of a book about Tuscany and SCA: tuscanyinaction.com
Re: lib directory in binary distro
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:44 AM, kelvin goodson <kg...@thegoodsons.org.uk> wrote:
> Given that the /lib directory of the binary distro contains tuscany
> and 3rd party artifacts I'm finding it hard to come up with a succinct
> description of this directory for the INSTALL file in the binary
> distro. Can someone with a better perspective on this give me a quick
> description of its raison d'être suitable for putting in the INSTALL
> file please.
>
> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> .
> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> ..
> 28/05/2010 15:55 278,682 cglib-2.2.jar
> 28/05/2010 15:55 876,708 hazelcast-1.8.3.jar
> 28/05/2010 15:55 94,776 hazelcast-client-1.8.3.jar
> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> spring
> 28/05/2010 15:55 2,109,436 tuscany-base-2.0-M5.jar
> 28/05/2010 15:55 32,929 tuscany-sca-api-2.0-M5.jar
> 28/05/2010 15:55 148,429 wsdl4j-1.6.2.jar
> 28/05/2010 15:55 143,145 XmlSchema-1.4.3.jar
> 7 File(s) 3,684,105 bytes
>
> Directory of C:\Releasing\2.xm5\tags\sca-java-2.0-M5\distribution\all\target\apache-tuscany-sca-all-2.0-M5.dir\tuscany-sca-2.0-M5\lib\sprin
> g
>
> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> .
> 28/05/2010 15:55 <DIR> ..
> 28/05/2010 15:55 486,031 spring-beans-2.5.5.jar
> 28/05/2010 15:55 473,513 spring-context-2.5.5.jar
> 28/05/2010 15:55 287,235 spring-core-2.5.5.jar
> 28/05/2010 15:55 98,896 tuscany-spring-2.0-M5.jar
> 4 File(s) 1,345,675 bytes
>
> Total Files Listed:
> 11 File(s) 5,029,780 bytes
> 5 Dir(s) 116,712,214,528 bytes free
>
> C:\Releasing\2.xm5\tags\sca-java-2.0-M5\distribution\all\target\apache-tuscany-sca-all-2.0-M5.dir\tuscany-sca-2.0-M5\lib>
>
What is the reason to have the lib folder ? Are these jars all
duplicate jars from inside modules ?
--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/