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Posted to dev@freemarker.apache.org by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@gmail.com> on 2017/10/23 14:04:54 UTC

Re: Changing official domain to freemarker.apache.org now? Was: Migrating [try.]freemarker.org to HTTPS, anyone?

+1 for the migration. And right after that I think we should start the
graduation process.

Jacopo

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:

> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up again
> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now. Also
> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>
>
> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
> >
> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>
> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO), also I hear
> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in Chrome if
> you
> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page under
> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jacques
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it yet.
> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jacques
> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be available
> before November
> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all seems
> OK :)
> >>
> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site, so no
> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for now.)
> >>
> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
> >
> > I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that transition
> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 9:31:19 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> The very next steps should be:
> 1) run a vote in this list to make sure the community is happy to graduate;
> see "Community Graduation Vote" [*]
> 2) when the vote #1 starts, send an email to the Incubator general list to
> inform them that the vote is running
> I suggest to perform them now.

Aggreed.

> Then the next steps will be (assuming the vote has passed):
> 3) prepare the graduation proposal; see "Preparing a Charter" [**]
> 4) send the proposal to the Incubator general list for review before the
> vote
> 5) start the graduation vote in the Incubator general list; see "The
> Recommendation Vote" [***]
>
> Then (if the recommendation vote will be successful) we will submit the
> resolution to the Board.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jacopo
>
> [*]
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community_graduation_vote
> [**]
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#preparing_a_charter
> [***]
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#the_recommendation_vote
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Right. Sorry for the confusion. When I said "committed" I wanted to say
>> people engadget with the project after graduation, so PMC members in short.
>>
>> I believe Daniel already got this list pretty clear.
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2017 14:07, "Ralph Goers" <ra...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The board needs a list of the PMC members, not necessarily committers,
>> > although it is unusual that a podling will become a TLP with committers
>> who
>> > aren’t PMC members.
>> >
>> > Ralph
>> >
>> > > On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > HI Daniel,
>> > >
>> > > the graduation resolution is a formal text that has to be submitted to
>> > the
>> > > ASF Board to communicate the graduation of the podling. Further
>> > information
>> > > at
>> > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> > submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
>> > >
>> > > It has to be drafted internally, voted first by the PPMC and secondly
>> by
>> > > the IPMC (not that different than voting a release).
>> > >
>> > > The text is pretty standard. The two main things to decide are: 1) who
>> is
>> > > going to be the Freemarker VP 2) list of committed to the new TLP
>> > >
>> > > I drafted one in the past
>> > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/marmotta/graduation/resolution.txt
>> > than we
>> > > can use as an example for moving forward with this.
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I would like to revie this thread.
>> > >>
>> > >> Again, I would like to encourage others to check if we miss some
>> > >> formal requirements, other than the VOTE thread here. I bet there are
>> > >> some little things at least.
>> > >>
>> > >> Also https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html talks about
>> > >> things like propose a "resolution" general incubator list before a
>> > >> VOTE, etc. (OFBiz is brough up as a good example there.) Anyone
>> > >> intends to tackle these?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 1:34:24 AM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
>> > >>> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?).
>> What's
>> > >>> next? Anyone?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> +1 for the migration.
>> > >>>>> And right after that I think we should start the graduation
>> process.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
>> > >>>> before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Related:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> -
>> > >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
>> > >> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
>> > >>>>  Here some dates are year only.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
>> > >>>>  This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
>> > >>>>  licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Jacopo
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <
>> ddekany@apache.org>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
>> > >> again
>> > >>>>>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now.
>> > >> Also
>> > >>>>>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO),
>> also
>> > >> I hear
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
>> > >> Chrome if
>> > >>>>>> you
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
>> > >> under
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it
>> > >> yet.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely
>> Monday...
>> > >>>>>>>>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>> > >>>>>>>>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
>> > >> available
>> > >>>>>> before November
>> > >>>>>>>>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far
>> all
>> > >> seems
>> > >>>>>> OK :)
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site,
>> so
>> > >> no
>> > >>>>>>>> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for
>> > >> now.)
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks for the checking the release!
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I should also point out that in the last board report the issue
>> of
>> > >>>>>>> freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
>> > >>>>>>> site came up. I would suggest that the project make that
>> transition
>> > >>>>>>> sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Ralph
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>> Thanks,
>> > >>>>>> Daniel Dekany
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Daniel Dekany
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@gmail.com>.
The very next steps should be:
1) run a vote in this list to make sure the community is happy to graduate;
see "Community Graduation Vote" [*]
2) when the vote #1 starts, send an email to the Incubator general list to
inform them that the vote is running
I suggest to perform them now.

Then the next steps will be (assuming the vote has passed):
3) prepare the graduation proposal; see "Preparing a Charter" [**]
4) send the proposal to the Incubator general list for review before the
vote
5) start the graduation vote in the Incubator general list; see "The
Recommendation Vote" [***]

Then (if the recommendation vote will be successful) we will submit the
resolution to the Board.

Regards,

Jacopo

[*]
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community_graduation_vote
[**] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#preparing_a_charter
[***]
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#the_recommendation_vote
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:

> Right. Sorry for the confusion. When I said "committed" I wanted to say
> people engadget with the project after graduation, so PMC members in short.
>
> I believe Daniel already got this list pretty clear.
>
> On Dec 16, 2017 14:07, "Ralph Goers" <ra...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> > The board needs a list of the PMC members, not necessarily committers,
> > although it is unusual that a podling will become a TLP with committers
> who
> > aren’t PMC members.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > > On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > HI Daniel,
> > >
> > > the graduation resolution is a formal text that has to be submitted to
> > the
> > > ASF Board to communicate the graduation of the podling. Further
> > information
> > > at
> > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
> > >
> > > It has to be drafted internally, voted first by the PPMC and secondly
> by
> > > the IPMC (not that different than voting a release).
> > >
> > > The text is pretty standard. The two main things to decide are: 1) who
> is
> > > going to be the Freemarker VP 2) list of committed to the new TLP
> > >
> > > I drafted one in the past
> > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/marmotta/graduation/resolution.txt
> > than we
> > > can use as an example for moving forward with this.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I would like to revie this thread.
> > >>
> > >> Again, I would like to encourage others to check if we miss some
> > >> formal requirements, other than the VOTE thread here. I bet there are
> > >> some little things at least.
> > >>
> > >> Also https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html talks about
> > >> things like propose a "resolution" general incubator list before a
> > >> VOTE, etc. (OFBiz is brough up as a good example there.) Anyone
> > >> intends to tackle these?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 1:34:24 AM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
> > >>> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?).
> What's
> > >>> next? Anyone?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> +1 for the migration.
> > >>>>> And right after that I think we should start the graduation
> process.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
> > >>>> before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Related:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -
> > >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
> > >> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
> > >>>>  Here some dates are year only.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
> > >>>>  This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
> > >>>>  licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Jacopo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <
> ddekany@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
> > >> again
> > >>>>>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now.
> > >> Also
> > >>>>>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> > >>>>>>>>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO),
> also
> > >> I hear
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
> > >> Chrome if
> > >>>>>> you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
> > >> under
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it
> > >> yet.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely
> Monday...
> > >>>>>>>>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
> > >>>>>>>>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
> > >> available
> > >>>>>> before November
> > >>>>>>>>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far
> all
> > >> seems
> > >>>>>> OK :)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site,
> so
> > >> no
> > >>>>>>>> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for
> > >> now.)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks for the checking the release!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I should also point out that in the last board report the issue
> of
> > >>>>>>> freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
> > >>>>>>> site came up. I would suggest that the project make that
> transition
> > >>>>>>> sooner than later if graduation is desired.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Ralph
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>> Daniel Dekany
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Daniel Dekany
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
Right. Sorry for the confusion. When I said "committed" I wanted to say
people engadget with the project after graduation, so PMC members in short.

I believe Daniel already got this list pretty clear.

On Dec 16, 2017 14:07, "Ralph Goers" <ra...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> The board needs a list of the PMC members, not necessarily committers,
> although it is unusual that a podling will become a TLP with committers who
> aren’t PMC members.
>
> Ralph
>
> > On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > HI Daniel,
> >
> > the graduation resolution is a formal text that has to be submitted to
> the
> > ASF Board to communicate the graduation of the podling. Further
> information
> > at
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
> >
> > It has to be drafted internally, voted first by the PPMC and secondly by
> > the IPMC (not that different than voting a release).
> >
> > The text is pretty standard. The two main things to decide are: 1) who is
> > going to be the Freemarker VP 2) list of committed to the new TLP
> >
> > I drafted one in the past
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/marmotta/graduation/resolution.txt
> than we
> > can use as an example for moving forward with this.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I would like to revie this thread.
> >>
> >> Again, I would like to encourage others to check if we miss some
> >> formal requirements, other than the VOTE thread here. I bet there are
> >> some little things at least.
> >>
> >> Also https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html talks about
> >> things like propose a "resolution" general incubator list before a
> >> VOTE, etc. (OFBiz is brough up as a good example there.) Anyone
> >> intends to tackle these?
> >>
> >>
> >> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 1:34:24 AM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
> >>
> >>> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
> >>> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?). What's
> >>> next? Anyone?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> +1 for the migration.
> >>>>> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.
> >>>>
> >>>> Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
> >>>> before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Related:
> >>>>
> >>>> -
> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
> >> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
> >>>>
> >>>> - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
> >>>>  Here some dates are year only.
> >>>>
> >>>> - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
> >>>>  This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
> >>>>  licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jacopo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
> >> again
> >>>>>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now.
> >> Also
> >>>>>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO), also
> >> I hear
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
> >> Chrome if
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
> >> under
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it
> >> yet.
> >>>>>>>>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
> >>>>>>>>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
> >>>>>>>>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
> >> available
> >>>>>> before November
> >>>>>>>>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all
> >> seems
> >>>>>> OK :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site, so
> >> no
> >>>>>>>> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for
> >> now.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the checking the release!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
> >>>>>>> freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
> >>>>>>> site came up. I would suggest that the project make that transition
> >>>>>>> sooner than later if graduation is desired.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ralph
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Daniel Dekany
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >> Daniel Dekany
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
The board needs a list of the PMC members, not necessarily committers, although it is unusual that a podling will become a TLP with committers who aren’t PMC members.

Ralph

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> HI Daniel,
> 
> the graduation resolution is a formal text that has to be submitted to the
> ASF Board to communicate the graduation of the podling. Further information
> at
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
> 
> It has to be drafted internally, voted first by the PPMC and secondly by
> the IPMC (not that different than voting a release).
> 
> The text is pretty standard. The two main things to decide are: 1) who is
> going to be the Freemarker VP 2) list of committed to the new TLP
> 
> I drafted one in the past
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/marmotta/graduation/resolution.txt than we
> can use as an example for moving forward with this.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> I would like to revie this thread.
>> 
>> Again, I would like to encourage others to check if we miss some
>> formal requirements, other than the VOTE thread here. I bet there are
>> some little things at least.
>> 
>> Also https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html talks about
>> things like propose a "resolution" general incubator list before a
>> VOTE, etc. (OFBiz is brough up as a good example there.) Anyone
>> intends to tackle these?
>> 
>> 
>> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 1:34:24 AM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>> 
>>> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
>>> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?). What's
>>> next? Anyone?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> +1 for the migration.
>>>>> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.
>>>> 
>>>> Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
>>>> before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
>>>> 
>>>> Related:
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
>> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
>>>> 
>>>> - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
>>>>  Here some dates are year only.
>>>> 
>>>> - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
>>>>  This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
>>>>  licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
>>>> 
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
>> again
>>>>>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now.
>> Also
>>>>>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO), also
>> I hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
>> Chrome if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
>> under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it
>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
>>>>>>>>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
>> available
>>>>>> before November
>>>>>>>>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all
>> seems
>>>>>> OK :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site, so
>> no
>>>>>>>> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for
>> now.)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the checking the release!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
>>>>>>> freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
>>>>>>> site came up. I would suggest that the project make that transition
>>>>>>> sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Daniel Dekany
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Daniel Dekany
>> 
>>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
HI Daniel,

the graduation resolution is a formal text that has to be submitted to the
ASF Board to communicate the graduation of the podling. Further information
at
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board

It has to be drafted internally, voted first by the PPMC and secondly by
the IPMC (not that different than voting a release).

The text is pretty standard. The two main things to decide are: 1) who is
going to be the Freemarker VP 2) list of committed to the new TLP

I drafted one in the past
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/marmotta/graduation/resolution.txt than we
can use as an example for moving forward with this.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:

> I would like to revie this thread.
>
> Again, I would like to encourage others to check if we miss some
> formal requirements, other than the VOTE thread here. I bet there are
> some little things at least.
>
> Also https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html talks about
> things like propose a "resolution" general incubator list before a
> VOTE, etc. (OFBiz is brough up as a good example there.) Anyone
> intends to tackle these?
>
>
> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 1:34:24 AM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>
> > So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
> > page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?). What's
> > next? Anyone?
> >
> >
> > Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
> >
> >> Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> >>
> >>> +1 for the migration.
> >>> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.
> >>
> >> Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
> >> before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
> >>
> >> Related:
> >>
> >> -
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
> >>
> >> - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
> >>   Here some dates are year only.
> >>
> >> - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
> >>   This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
> >>   licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
> >>
> >>> Jacopo
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
> again
> >>>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now.
> Also
> >>>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO), also
> I hear
> >>>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
> Chrome if
> >>>> you
> >>>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
> under
> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
> >>>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>> Jacques
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it
> yet.
> >>>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
> >>>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>> Jacques
> >>>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
> available
> >>>> before November
> >>>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all
> seems
> >>>> OK :)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site, so
> no
> >>>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for
> now.)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
> >>>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
> >>>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that transition
> >>>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Ralph
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>  Daniel Dekany
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
I would like to revie this thread.

Again, I would like to encourage others to check if we miss some
formal requirements, other than the VOTE thread here. I bet there are
some little things at least.

Also https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html talks about
things like propose a "resolution" general incubator list before a
VOTE, etc. (OFBiz is brough up as a good example there.) Anyone
intends to tackle these?


Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 1:34:24 AM, Daniel Dekany wrote:

> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?). What's
> next? Anyone?
>
>
> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>
>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for the migration.
>>> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.
>>
>> Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
>> before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
>>
>> Related:
>>
>> -
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
>>
>> - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
>>   Here some dates are year only.
>>
>> - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
>>   This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
>>   licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up again
>>>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now. Also
>>>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO), also I hear
>>>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in Chrome if
>>>> you
>>>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page under
>>>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>>>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>>>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it yet.
>>>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
>>>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Jacques
>>>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be available
>>>> before November
>>>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all seems
>>>> OK :)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site, so no
>>>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for now.)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
>>>> >
>>>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
>>>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
>>>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that transition
>>>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ralph
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>  Daniel Dekany
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
I have committed this last version then.


Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 11:11:22 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> +1
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 22/11/2017 à 09:41, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> Yeas, it's less twisted that way, though the meaning slightly differs.
>> I would refine it further:
>>
>> Usually, a general-purpose programming language (like Java) is used to
>> prepare the data (issue database queries, do business calculations).
>> Then, Apache FreeMarker displays that prepared data using templates.
>>
>>
>> Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 9:48:24 PM, Denis Bredelet wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to change that sentence in the description:
>>>            You meant to prepare the data to display in a real
>>> programming language, like issue database queries and do business
>>> calculations, and then the template displays that already prepared data.
>>>
>>> What do you think of:
>>> A general programming language is used to prepare the data, issue
>>> database queries and do business calculations. Then the Apache
>>> FreeMarker template engine displays that prepared data using templates.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> — Denis.
>>>
>>>> On 21 Nov 2017, at 19:47, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Monday, November 20, 2017, 10:42:11 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> sorry, because I think I've created some confusion on this. Let me try to
>>>>>> explain my self, because there are to aspects on this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) From a pure ASF perspective, host the DOAP file from Git is fine. The
>>>>>> system behind projects.a.o will retrieve it and further process it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) From a broader Semantic Web perspective, ideally we should have the
>>>>> DOAP
>>>>>> file publicly available from the project web site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I aim for 2, that's why I played with the site build. But staying at 1
>>>>>> should be enough. I hope now it's a bit clearer.
>>>>> I see, but the URL we put into projects.xml is a HTTP URL, so why not
>>>>> just add a link with that target address on the home page? That's one
>>>>> less copy of that file that can go out if sync as well. (At that point
>>>>> it doesn't even make sense anymore that it's inside "site", but
>>>>> whatever...)
>>>>
>>>> it does for provenance reasons. But you can keep it at git, fine.
>
>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
+1

Jacques


Le 22/11/2017 à 09:41, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> Yeas, it's less twisted that way, though the meaning slightly differs.
> I would refine it further:
>
> Usually, a general-purpose programming language (like Java) is used to
> prepare the data (issue database queries, do business calculations).
> Then, Apache FreeMarker displays that prepared data using templates.
>
>
> Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 9:48:24 PM, Denis Bredelet wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to change that sentence in the description:
>>            You meant to prepare the data to display in a real
>> programming language, like issue database queries and do business
>> calculations, and then the template displays that already prepared data.
>>
>> What do you think of:
>> A general programming language is used to prepare the data, issue
>> database queries and do business calculations. Then the Apache
>> FreeMarker template engine displays that prepared data using templates.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> — Denis.
>>
>>> On 21 Nov 2017, at 19:47, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Monday, November 20, 2017, 10:42:11 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sorry, because I think I've created some confusion on this. Let me try to
>>>>> explain my self, because there are to aspects on this:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) From a pure ASF perspective, host the DOAP file from Git is fine. The
>>>>> system behind projects.a.o will retrieve it and further process it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) From a broader Semantic Web perspective, ideally we should have the
>>>> DOAP
>>>>> file publicly available from the project web site.
>>>>>
>>>>> I aim for 2, that's why I played with the site build. But staying at 1
>>>>> should be enough. I hope now it's a bit clearer.
>>>> I see, but the URL we put into projects.xml is a HTTP URL, so why not
>>>> just add a link with that target address on the home page? That's one
>>>> less copy of that file that can go out if sync as well. (At that point
>>>> it doesn't even make sense anymore that it's inside "site", but
>>>> whatever...)
>>>
>>> it does for provenance reasons. But you can keep it at git, fine.

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Denis,

Sounds good to me, easier to read, the meaning is clear.

Thanks

Jacques


Le 21/11/2017 à 21:48, Denis Bredelet a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I would like to change that sentence in the description:
>            You meant to prepare the data to display in a real programming language, like issue database queries and do business calculations, and then the template displays that already prepared data.
>
> What do you think of:
> A general programming language is used to prepare the data, issue database queries and do business calculations. Then the Apache FreeMarker template engine displays that prepared data using templates.
>
> Cheers,
> — Denis.
>
>> On 21 Nov 2017, at 19:47, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Monday, November 20, 2017, 10:42:11 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>>
>>>> sorry, because I think I've created some confusion on this. Let me try to
>>>> explain my self, because there are to aspects on this:
>>>>
>>>> 1) From a pure ASF perspective, host the DOAP file from Git is fine. The
>>>> system behind projects.a.o will retrieve it and further process it.
>>>>
>>>> 2) From a broader Semantic Web perspective, ideally we should have the
>>> DOAP
>>>> file publicly available from the project web site.
>>>>
>>>> I aim for 2, that's why I played with the site build. But staying at 1
>>>> should be enough. I hope now it's a bit clearer.
>>> I see, but the URL we put into projects.xml is a HTTP URL, so why not
>>> just add a link with that target address on the home page? That's one
>>> less copy of that file that can go out if sync as well. (At that point
>>> it doesn't even make sense anymore that it's inside "site", but
>>> whatever...)
>>
>> it does for provenance reasons. But you can keep it at git, fine.
>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Saturday, November 18, 2017, 10:14:09 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Le 18/11/2017 à 00:18, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> Friday, November 17, 2017, 11:01:42 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> Le 17/11/2017 à 13:10, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>> Note sure what the recommended place is... but as far as I'm
>>>> concerned, putting it into the root if the "site" repo
>>>> (git://git.apache.org/incubator-freemarker-site.git) is fine.
>>> Done, please check
>> I have committed some fixes.
>>
>> Some others that came to my mind after that: Others use https links
>> even for GitRepository/location. Also, we have multiple repositories
>> (https://freemarker.apache.org/sourcecode.html).
> Actually yesterday to be able to push I had to use
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-freemarker.git like it's documented at
> https://freemarker.apache.org/sourcecode.html
> git://git.apache.org/incubator-freemarker.git did not work, I was rejected with this msg
> fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /incubator-freemarker-site.git
>
> So maybe we should rather use that in the doap

Yes.

> or even
> https://freemarker.apache.org/sourcecode.html?

Hardly. But certainly we need to specify all the repositories, like in
http://taverna.incubator.apache.org/doap.rdf.

>> asfext:pmc just points to the project home page in the DOAP of some
>> other projects that I have randomly looked at (from
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/projects.xml),
>> and to http://incubator.apache.org for the incubating ones.
> Yep, OFBiz has  a custom page for that
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers
> but officially it's at
>      https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?ofbiz
> So I think we can wait to have the later available (when TLPised)
>
>> Whether a PPMC needs a PMC DOAP file... hopefully it's documented
>> somewhere, someone will have to find it. (I guess not, as the PMC is
>> the IPMC for now.)
> I think it's not needed yet, because only TLPs have PMCs
>
> Jacques
>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Le 18/11/2017 à 00:18, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> Friday, November 17, 2017, 11:01:42 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Le 17/11/2017 à 13:10, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>> Note sure what the recommended place is... but as far as I'm
>>> concerned, putting it into the root if the "site" repo
>>> (git://git.apache.org/incubator-freemarker-site.git) is fine.
>> Done, please check
> I have committed some fixes.
>
> Some others that came to my mind after that: Others use https links
> even for GitRepository/location. Also, we have multiple repositories
> (https://freemarker.apache.org/sourcecode.html).
Actually yesterday to be able to push I had to use https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-freemarker.git like it's documented at 
https://freemarker.apache.org/sourcecode.html
git://git.apache.org/incubator-freemarker.git did not work, I was rejected with this msg
fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /incubator-freemarker-site.git

So maybe we should rather use that in the doap or even https://freemarker.apache.org/sourcecode.html?

> asfext:pmc just points to the project home page in the DOAP of some
> other projects that I have randomly looked at (from
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/projects.xml),
> and to http://incubator.apache.org for the incubating ones.
Yep, OFBiz has  a custom page for that
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers
but officially it's at
     https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?ofbiz
So I think we can wait to have the later available (when TLPised)

> Whether a PPMC needs a PMC DOAP file... hopefully it's documented
> somewhere, someone will have to find it. (I guess not, as the PMC is
> the IPMC for now.)
I think it's not needed yet, because only TLPs have PMCs

Jacques

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Friday, November 17, 2017, 11:01:42 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Le 17/11/2017 à 13:10, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> Note sure what the recommended place is... but as far as I'm
>> concerned, putting it into the root if the "site" repo
>> (git://git.apache.org/incubator-freemarker-site.git) is fine.
> Done, please check

I have committed some fixes.

Some others that came to my mind after that: Others use https links
even for GitRepository/location. Also, we have multiple repositories
(https://freemarker.apache.org/sourcecode.html).

asfext:pmc just points to the project home page in the DOAP of some
other projects that I have randomly looked at (from
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/projects.xml),
and to http://incubator.apache.org for the incubating ones.

Whether a PPMC needs a PMC DOAP file... hopefully it's documented
somewhere, someone will have to find it. (I guess not, as the PMC is
the IPMC for now.)

> Jacques
>
>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Le 17/11/2017 à 13:10, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> Note sure what the recommended place is... but as far as I'm
> concerned, putting it into the root if the "site" repo
> (git://git.apache.org/incubator-freemarker-site.git) is fine.
Done, please check

Jacques

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Friday, November 17, 2017, 11:43:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
>
> Inline...
>
> Le 13/11/2017 à 23:14, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> Monday, November 13, 2017, 8:58:51 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>
>>> No idea why that thread is not in my inbox.
>>>
>>> Anyway I still have the same idea of keeping around the project if my
>>> support can be helpful, technically or whatever.
>> That's good news, thanks! Of course it can be helpful, like to check
>> releases sometimes, as we need 3 votes.
>>
>> As of this thread... I know that we have
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model,
>> and according that everything is fine formally, but it isn't. I ran
>> through some documents on the weekend, and found and fixed a few
>> smaller problems on the home page.
> I had a look at this wiki page and it sounds quite good to me,
> nothing missing or needed to be amended now?

Not on the Wiki page AFAR... Otherwise, I don't know, I had to read
through all the ASF documentation to check.

>> I have also noticed (but not fixed)
>> that we have no DOAP file
>> (https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#metadata), and somewhere
>> I have read that that's needed for graduation (can't find where now).
> I can create the DOAP file based on my experience with OFBiz:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/site/doap_OFBiz.rdf
> Where would you suggest to put it?

Note sure what the recommended place is... but as far as I'm
concerned, putting it into the root if the "site" repo
(git://git.apache.org/incubator-freemarker-site.git) is fine.

> What would be the equivalent of
>
>      <shortdesc xml:lang="en">Apache OFBiz is an open source
> enterprise automation software project</shortdesc>
>      <description>
>        Apache OFBiz is an open source product for the automation of
> enterprise processes that includes framework components and business applications
>        for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM (Customer
> Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply Chain Management),
>        MRP (Manufacturing Resource Planning), MMS/EAM (Maintenance
> Management System/Enterprise Asset Management).
>        Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for
> reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions.
>      </description>
>      <programming-language>Java</programming-language>
>      <category
> rdf:resource="http://projects.apache.org/category/http" />
> ?

The short description:

  FreeMarker is a template engine, i.e. a generic tool to generate text output based on templates. FreeMarker is implemented in Java as a class library for programmers.

The description is (from our home page):

  Apache FreeMarker is a template engine: a Java library to generate
  text output (HTML web pages, e-mails, configuration files, source
  code, etc.) based on templates and changing data. Templates are
  written in the FreeMarker Template Language (FTL), which is a
  simple, specialized language (not a full-blown programming
  language). You meant to prepare the data to display in a real
  programming language, like issue database queries and do business
  calculations, and then the template displays that already prepared
  data. In the template you are focusing on how to present the data,
  and outside the template you are focusing on what data to present.

Location...

> The rest I think I can take care of, or ask more if needed...
>
> Jacques
>
>>
>> And that's just what I have noticed, and I haven't read through all
>> documents yet. So can someone else also run through things?
>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2017 23:17, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thursday, November 9, 2017, 3:05:26 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I can't find that thread...
>>>> And I can't link to that, as I have no right to use
>>>> https://mail-search.apache.org/pmc/private-arch/freemarker-private/.
>>>> But it doesn't mater. The question was that if FreeMarker graduates,
>>>> will you stay in the FreeMarker PMC? (One year ago or so you said that
>>>> you would, but I wanted that to be reassured.)
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 6:48:07 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing really that I can see. We should go for discusion seriously
>>>> and
>>>>>>> voting towards graduation ;-)
>>>>>> There are the things quoted below. Also, please look at the private
>>>>>> list (there was a question if you still intend to remain in the PMC
>>>>>> after graduation).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2017 20:02, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
>>>>>>>> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?).
>>>> What's
>>>>>>>> next? Anyone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the migration.
>>>>>>>>>> And right after that I think we should start the graduation
>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>> Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
>>>>>>>>> before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Related:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
>>>>>>>> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
>>>>>>>>> - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
>>>>>>>>>    Here some dates are year only.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
>>>>>>>>>    This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
>>>>>>>>>    licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <
>>>> ddekany@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org
>>>> now.
>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <
>>>> ddekany@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO),
>>>>>> also I
>>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
>>>>>>>> Chrome if
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do
>>>> it
>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely
>>>> Monday...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>> before November
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far
>>>> all
>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>> OK :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our
>>>> site,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed,
>>>> for
>>>>>>>> now.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the checking the release!
>>>>>>>>>>>> I should also point out that in the last board report the
>>>> issue of
>>>>>>>>>>>> freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/>
>>>> web
>>>>>>>>>>>> site came up. I would suggest that the project make that
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>>>>>>>> sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>   Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>   Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>   Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>   Daniel Dekany
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Daniel,

Inline...

Le 13/11/2017 à 23:14, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> Monday, November 13, 2017, 8:58:51 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>
>> No idea why that thread is not in my inbox.
>>
>> Anyway I still have the same idea of keeping around the project if my
>> support can be helpful, technically or whatever.
> That's good news, thanks! Of course it can be helpful, like to check
> releases sometimes, as we need 3 votes.
>
> As of this thread... I know that we have
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model,
> and according that everything is fine formally, but it isn't. I ran
> through some documents on the weekend, and found and fixed a few
> smaller problems on the home page.
I had a look at this wiki page and it sounds quite good to me, nothing missing or needed to be amended now?

> I have also noticed (but not fixed)
> that we have no DOAP file
> (https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#metadata), and somewhere
> I have read that that's needed for graduation (can't find where now).
I can create the DOAP file based on my experience with OFBiz: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/site/doap_OFBiz.rdf
Where would you suggest to put it? What would be the equivalent of

     <shortdesc xml:lang="en">Apache OFBiz is an open source enterprise automation software project</shortdesc>
     <description>
       Apache OFBiz is an open source product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework components and business applications
       for ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning), CRM (Customer Relationship Management), E-Business / E-Commerce, SCM (Supply Chain Management),
       MRP (Manufacturing Resource Planning), MMS/EAM (Maintenance Management System/Enterprise Asset Management).
       Apache OFBiz provides a foundation and starting point for reliable, secure and scalable enterprise solutions.
     </description>
     <programming-language>Java</programming-language>
     <category rdf:resource="http://projects.apache.org/category/http" />
?
The rest I think I can take care of, or ask more if needed...

Jacques

>
> And that's just what I have noticed, and I haven't read through all
> documents yet. So can someone else also run through things?
>
>> On Nov 8, 2017 23:17, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thursday, November 9, 2017, 3:05:26 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, I can't find that thread...
>>> And I can't link to that, as I have no right to use
>>> https://mail-search.apache.org/pmc/private-arch/freemarker-private/.
>>> But it doesn't mater. The question was that if FreeMarker graduates,
>>> will you stay in the FreeMarker PMC? (One year ago or so you said that
>>> you would, but I wanted that to be reassured.)
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 6:48:07 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing really that I can see. We should go for discusion seriously
>>> and
>>>>>> voting towards graduation ;-)
>>>>> There are the things quoted below. Also, please look at the private
>>>>> list (there was a question if you still intend to remain in the PMC
>>>>> after graduation).
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2017 20:02, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
>>>>>>> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?).
>>> What's
>>>>>>> next? Anyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 for the migration.
>>>>>>>>> And right after that I think we should start the graduation
>>> process.
>>>>>>>> Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
>>>>>>>> before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Related:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
>>>>>>> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
>>>>>>>> - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
>>>>>>>>    Here some dates are year only.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
>>>>>>>>    This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
>>>>>>>>    licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <
>>> ddekany@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org
>>> now.
>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <
>>> ddekany@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO),
>>>>> also I
>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
>>>>>>> Chrome if
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do
>>> it
>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely
>>> Monday...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>> before November
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far
>>> all
>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>> OK :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our
>>> site,
>>>>> so
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed,
>>> for
>>>>>>> now.)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the checking the release!
>>>>>>>>>>> I should also point out that in the last board report the
>>> issue of
>>>>>>>>>>> freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/>
>>> web
>>>>>>>>>>> site came up. I would suggest that the project make that
>>>>> transition
>>>>>>>>>>> sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>   Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>   Daniel Dekany
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>   Daniel Dekany
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>   Daniel Dekany
>>>
>>>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Sergio, Daniel,

Yes there is no rule for the location of the doap file. Just a reference in 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/projects.xml is needed

Jacques


Le 20/11/2017 à 04:42, Sergio Fernández a écrit :
> Well, it's my first interaction with the site code base, but I wouldn't mix
> the doap data with the docgen sources. But I guess you can do it as you
> prefer ;-)
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Ah, I have just seen your commit. You should just move doap.rtf into
>> src/main/docgen/. No need for new Ant task. It was created on the
>> wrong place originally...
>>
>> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 11:46:42 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>>
>>> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 9:37:45 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>> I guess it's time to add the reference to
>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.
>>>>> org/data/projects.xml.
>>>>>
>>>> Right. I tried to get it published to
>>>> https://freemarker.apache.org/doap.rdf
>>>> to add that reference, but I didn't manage to locally build the site due
>>>> some dependencies' problem. I'll try again later.
>>> You mean a problem with incubator-freemarker-site Ant build? What was
>>> that?
>>>
>>> But, you don't need to build the incubator-freemarker-site for this.
>>> Just upload the doap.rdf to the "asf-site" branch of
>>> incubator-freemarker-site directly.
>>>
>>>> In the meantime I've added the reference to git in
>>>> http://svn.apache.org/r1815757, so it should be available at
>>>> https://projects.apache.org/project.html?freemarker in the next build
>> (2 AM
>>>> UTC).
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>   Daniel Dekany
>>
>>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Yeas, it's less twisted that way, though the meaning slightly differs.
I would refine it further:

Usually, a general-purpose programming language (like Java) is used to
prepare the data (issue database queries, do business calculations).
Then, Apache FreeMarker displays that prepared data using templates.


Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 9:48:24 PM, Denis Bredelet wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to change that sentence in the description:
>           You meant to prepare the data to display in a real
> programming language, like issue database queries and do business
> calculations, and then the template displays that already prepared data.
>
> What do you think of:
> A general programming language is used to prepare the data, issue
> database queries and do business calculations. Then the Apache
> FreeMarker template engine displays that prepared data using templates.
>
> Cheers,
> — Denis.
>
>> On 21 Nov 2017, at 19:47, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Monday, November 20, 2017, 10:42:11 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>> 
>>>> sorry, because I think I've created some confusion on this. Let me try to
>>>> explain my self, because there are to aspects on this:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) From a pure ASF perspective, host the DOAP file from Git is fine. The
>>>> system behind projects.a.o will retrieve it and further process it.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) From a broader Semantic Web perspective, ideally we should have the
>>> DOAP
>>>> file publicly available from the project web site.
>>>> 
>>>> I aim for 2, that's why I played with the site build. But staying at 1
>>>> should be enough. I hope now it's a bit clearer.
>>> 
>>> I see, but the URL we put into projects.xml is a HTTP URL, so why not
>>> just add a link with that target address on the home page? That's one
>>> less copy of that file that can go out if sync as well. (At that point
>>> it doesn't even make sense anymore that it's inside "site", but
>>> whatever...)
>> 
>> 
>> it does for provenance reasons. But you can keep it at git, fine.
>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Denis Bredelet <br...@mac.com>.
Hi,

I would like to change that sentence in the description:
          You meant to prepare the data to display in a real programming language, like issue database queries and do business calculations, and then the template displays that already prepared data.

What do you think of:
A general programming language is used to prepare the data, issue database queries and do business calculations. Then the Apache FreeMarker template engine displays that prepared data using templates.

Cheers,
— Denis.

> On 21 Nov 2017, at 19:47, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> Monday, November 20, 2017, 10:42:11 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>> 
>>> sorry, because I think I've created some confusion on this. Let me try to
>>> explain my self, because there are to aspects on this:
>>> 
>>> 1) From a pure ASF perspective, host the DOAP file from Git is fine. The
>>> system behind projects.a.o will retrieve it and further process it.
>>> 
>>> 2) From a broader Semantic Web perspective, ideally we should have the
>> DOAP
>>> file publicly available from the project web site.
>>> 
>>> I aim for 2, that's why I played with the site build. But staying at 1
>>> should be enough. I hope now it's a bit clearer.
>> 
>> I see, but the URL we put into projects.xml is a HTTP URL, so why not
>> just add a link with that target address on the home page? That's one
>> less copy of that file that can go out if sync as well. (At that point
>> it doesn't even make sense anymore that it's inside "site", but
>> whatever...)
> 
> 
> it does for provenance reasons. But you can keep it at git, fine.

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:

> Monday, November 20, 2017, 10:42:11 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>
> > sorry, because I think I've created some confusion on this. Let me try to
> > explain my self, because there are to aspects on this:
> >
> > 1) From a pure ASF perspective, host the DOAP file from Git is fine. The
> > system behind projects.a.o will retrieve it and further process it.
> >
> > 2) From a broader Semantic Web perspective, ideally we should have the
> DOAP
> > file publicly available from the project web site.
> >
> > I aim for 2, that's why I played with the site build. But staying at 1
> > should be enough. I hope now it's a bit clearer.
>
> I see, but the URL we put into projects.xml is a HTTP URL, so why not
> just add a link with that target address on the home page? That's one
> less copy of that file that can go out if sync as well. (At that point
> it doesn't even make sense anymore that it's inside "site", but
> whatever...)


it does for provenance reasons. But you can keep it at git, fine.

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Monday, November 20, 2017, 10:42:11 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:

> Hi,
>
> sorry, because I think I've created some confusion on this. Let me try to
> explain my self, because there are to aspects on this:
>
> 1) From a pure ASF perspective, host the DOAP file from Git is fine. The
> system behind projects.a.o will retrieve it and further process it.
>
> 2) From a broader Semantic Web perspective, ideally we should have the DOAP
> file publicly available from the project web site.
>
> I aim for 2, that's why I played with the site build. But staying at 1
> should be enough. I hope now it's a bit clearer.

I see, but the URL we put into projects.xml is a HTTP URL, so why not
just add a link with that target address on the home page? That's one
less copy of that file that can go out if sync as well. (At that point
it doesn't even make sense anymore that it's inside "site", but
whatever...)

> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Monday, November 20, 2017, 4:42:11 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>
>> > Well, it's my first interaction with the site code base, but I wouldn't
>> mix
>> > the doap data with the docgen sources. But I guess you can do it as you
>> > prefer ;-)
>>
>> Indeed, it's a link to the git repo, not to the home page. I was
>> confused as you have talked about build problems. Why should we do
>> anything with doap.rdf in the Ant build? (You copy doap.rdf into
>> build/ right now. Not sure what the intent is.)
>>
>> > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ah, I have just seen your commit. You should just move doap.rtf into
>> >> src/main/docgen/. No need for new Ant task. It was created on the
>> >> wrong place originally...
>> >>
>> >> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 11:46:42 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Sunday, November 19, 2017, 9:37:45 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I guess it's time to add the reference to
>> >> >>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.
>> >> >>> org/data/projects.xml.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Right. I tried to get it published to
>> >> >> https://freemarker.apache.org/doap.rdf
>> >> >> to add that reference, but I didn't manage to locally build the site
>> due
>> >> >> some dependencies' problem. I'll try again later.
>> >> >
>> >> > You mean a problem with incubator-freemarker-site Ant build? What was
>> >> > that?
>> >> >
>> >> > But, you don't need to build the incubator-freemarker-site for this.
>> >> > Just upload the doap.rdf to the "asf-site" branch of
>> >> > incubator-freemarker-site directly.
>> >> >
>> >> >> In the meantime I've added the reference to git in
>> >> >> http://svn.apache.org/r1815757, so it should be available at
>> >> >> https://projects.apache.org/project.html?freemarker in the next
>> build
>> >> (2 AM
>> >> >> UTC).
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>  Daniel Dekany
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
Hi,

sorry, because I think I've created some confusion on this. Let me try to
explain my self, because there are to aspects on this:

1) From a pure ASF perspective, host the DOAP file from Git is fine. The
system behind projects.a.o will retrieve it and further process it.

2) From a broader Semantic Web perspective, ideally we should have the DOAP
file publicly available from the project web site.

I aim for 2, that's why I played with the site build. But staying at 1
should be enough. I hope now it's a bit clearer.


On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:

> Monday, November 20, 2017, 4:42:11 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>
> > Well, it's my first interaction with the site code base, but I wouldn't
> mix
> > the doap data with the docgen sources. But I guess you can do it as you
> > prefer ;-)
>
> Indeed, it's a link to the git repo, not to the home page. I was
> confused as you have talked about build problems. Why should we do
> anything with doap.rdf in the Ant build? (You copy doap.rdf into
> build/ right now. Not sure what the intent is.)
>
> > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Ah, I have just seen your commit. You should just move doap.rtf into
> >> src/main/docgen/. No need for new Ant task. It was created on the
> >> wrong place originally...
> >>
> >> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 11:46:42 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
> >>
> >> > Sunday, November 19, 2017, 9:37:45 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I guess it's time to add the reference to
> >> >>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.
> >> >>> org/data/projects.xml.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Right. I tried to get it published to
> >> >> https://freemarker.apache.org/doap.rdf
> >> >> to add that reference, but I didn't manage to locally build the site
> due
> >> >> some dependencies' problem. I'll try again later.
> >> >
> >> > You mean a problem with incubator-freemarker-site Ant build? What was
> >> > that?
> >> >
> >> > But, you don't need to build the incubator-freemarker-site for this.
> >> > Just upload the doap.rdf to the "asf-site" branch of
> >> > incubator-freemarker-site directly.
> >> >
> >> >> In the meantime I've added the reference to git in
> >> >> http://svn.apache.org/r1815757, so it should be available at
> >> >> https://projects.apache.org/project.html?freemarker in the next
> build
> >> (2 AM
> >> >> UTC).
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >>  Daniel Dekany
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Monday, November 20, 2017, 4:42:11 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:

> Well, it's my first interaction with the site code base, but I wouldn't mix
> the doap data with the docgen sources. But I guess you can do it as you
> prefer ;-)

Indeed, it's a link to the git repo, not to the home page. I was
confused as you have talked about build problems. Why should we do
anything with doap.rdf in the Ant build? (You copy doap.rdf into
build/ right now. Not sure what the intent is.)

> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Ah, I have just seen your commit. You should just move doap.rtf into
>> src/main/docgen/. No need for new Ant task. It was created on the
>> wrong place originally...
>>
>> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 11:46:42 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>>
>> > Sunday, November 19, 2017, 9:37:45 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I guess it's time to add the reference to
>> >>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.
>> >>> org/data/projects.xml.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Right. I tried to get it published to
>> >> https://freemarker.apache.org/doap.rdf
>> >> to add that reference, but I didn't manage to locally build the site due
>> >> some dependencies' problem. I'll try again later.
>> >
>> > You mean a problem with incubator-freemarker-site Ant build? What was
>> > that?
>> >
>> > But, you don't need to build the incubator-freemarker-site for this.
>> > Just upload the doap.rdf to the "asf-site" branch of
>> > incubator-freemarker-site directly.
>> >
>> >> In the meantime I've added the reference to git in
>> >> http://svn.apache.org/r1815757, so it should be available at
>> >> https://projects.apache.org/project.html?freemarker in the next build
>> (2 AM
>> >> UTC).
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
Well, it's my first interaction with the site code base, but I wouldn't mix
the doap data with the docgen sources. But I guess you can do it as you
prefer ;-)

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:

> Ah, I have just seen your commit. You should just move doap.rtf into
> src/main/docgen/. No need for new Ant task. It was created on the
> wrong place originally...
>
> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 11:46:42 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>
> > Sunday, November 19, 2017, 9:37:45 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I guess it's time to add the reference to
> >>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.
> >>> org/data/projects.xml.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Right. I tried to get it published to
> >> https://freemarker.apache.org/doap.rdf
> >> to add that reference, but I didn't manage to locally build the site due
> >> some dependencies' problem. I'll try again later.
> >
> > You mean a problem with incubator-freemarker-site Ant build? What was
> > that?
> >
> > But, you don't need to build the incubator-freemarker-site for this.
> > Just upload the doap.rdf to the "asf-site" branch of
> > incubator-freemarker-site directly.
> >
> >> In the meantime I've added the reference to git in
> >> http://svn.apache.org/r1815757, so it should be available at
> >> https://projects.apache.org/project.html?freemarker in the next build
> (2 AM
> >> UTC).
> >
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Ah, I have just seen your commit. You should just move doap.rtf into
src/main/docgen/. No need for new Ant task. It was created on the
wrong place originally...

Sunday, November 19, 2017, 11:46:42 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:

> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 9:37:45 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess it's time to add the reference to
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.
>>> org/data/projects.xml.
>>>
>>
>> Right. I tried to get it published to
>> https://freemarker.apache.org/doap.rdf
>> to add that reference, but I didn't manage to locally build the site due
>> some dependencies' problem. I'll try again later.
>
> You mean a problem with incubator-freemarker-site Ant build? What was
> that?
>
> But, you don't need to build the incubator-freemarker-site for this.
> Just upload the doap.rdf to the "asf-site" branch of
> incubator-freemarker-site directly.
>
>> In the meantime I've added the reference to git in
>> http://svn.apache.org/r1815757, so it should be available at
>> https://projects.apache.org/project.html?freemarker in the next build (2 AM
>> UTC).
>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Sunday, November 19, 2017, 9:37:45 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I guess it's time to add the reference to
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.
>> org/data/projects.xml.
>>
>
> Right. I tried to get it published to
> https://freemarker.apache.org/doap.rdf
> to add that reference, but I didn't manage to locally build the site due
> some dependencies' problem. I'll try again later.

You mean a problem with incubator-freemarker-site Ant build? What was
that?

But, you don't need to build the incubator-freemarker-site for this.
Just upload the doap.rdf to the "asf-site" branch of
incubator-freemarker-site directly.

> In the meantime I've added the reference to git in
> http://svn.apache.org/r1815757, so it should be available at
> https://projects.apache.org/project.html?freemarker in the next build (2 AM
> UTC).

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I guess it's time to add the reference to
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.
> org/data/projects.xml.
>

Right. I tried to get it published to https://freemarker.apache.org/doap.rdf
to add that reference, but I didn't manage to locally build the site due
some dependencies' problem. I'll try again later.

In the meantime I've added the reference to git in
http://svn.apache.org/r1815757, so it should be available at
https://projects.apache.org/project.html?freemarker in the next build (2 AM
UTC).

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Saturday, November 18, 2017, 9:33:20 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Anyway I still have the same idea of keeping around the project if my
>> > support can be helpful, technically or whatever.
>>
>> That's good news, thanks! Of course it can be helpful, like to check
>> releases sometimes, as we need 3 votes.
>>
>
> Happy to help ;-)
>
>
> As of this thread... I know that we have
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/Apach
>> e+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model,
>> and according that everything is fine formally, but it isn't. I ran
>> through some documents on the weekend, and found and fixed a few
>> smaller problems on the home page.
>
>
> So far the current draft looks fine to me. I have compared with some I help
> in the past, and it's pretty aligned.with general ASF policies.
>
>
>> I have also noticed (but not fixed)
>> that we have no DOAP file
>> (https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#metadata), and somewhere
>> I have read that that's needed for graduation (can't find where now).
>
>
> I've done some changes to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-freemarker-site/blob/master/doap.rdf
> but I can keep improving it if necessary.

Thanks!

I guess it's time to add the reference to
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/projects.xml.

> Cheers,

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Anyway I still have the same idea of keeping around the project if my
> > support can be helpful, technically or whatever.
>
> That's good news, thanks! Of course it can be helpful, like to check
> releases sometimes, as we need 3 votes.
>

Happy to help ;-)


As of this thread... I know that we have
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/Apach
> e+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model,
> and according that everything is fine formally, but it isn't. I ran
> through some documents on the weekend, and found and fixed a few
> smaller problems on the home page.


So far the current draft looks fine to me. I have compared with some I help
in the past, and it's pretty aligned.with general ASF policies.


> I have also noticed (but not fixed)
> that we have no DOAP file
> (https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#metadata), and somewhere
> I have read that that's needed for graduation (can't find where now).


I've done some changes to
https://github.com/apache/incubator-freemarker-site/blob/master/doap.rdf
but I can keep improving it if necessary.

Cheers,

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Monday, November 13, 2017, 8:58:51 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote:

> No idea why that thread is not in my inbox.
>
> Anyway I still have the same idea of keeping around the project if my
> support can be helpful, technically or whatever.

That's good news, thanks! Of course it can be helpful, like to check
releases sometimes, as we need 3 votes.

As of this thread... I know that we have
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model,
and according that everything is fine formally, but it isn't. I ran
through some documents on the weekend, and found and fixed a few
smaller problems on the home page. I have also noticed (but not fixed)
that we have no DOAP file
(https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#metadata), and somewhere
I have read that that's needed for graduation (can't find where now).

And that's just what I have noticed, and I haven't read through all
documents yet. So can someone else also run through things?

> On Nov 8, 2017 23:17, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Thursday, November 9, 2017, 3:05:26 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry, I can't find that thread...
>>
>> And I can't link to that, as I have no right to use
>> https://mail-search.apache.org/pmc/private-arch/freemarker-private/.
>> But it doesn't mater. The question was that if FreeMarker graduates,
>> will you stay in the FreeMarker PMC? (One year ago or so you said that
>> you would, but I wanted that to be reassured.)
>>
>> > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 6:48:07 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Nothing really that I can see. We should go for discusion seriously
>> and
>> >> > voting towards graduation ;-)
>> >>
>> >> There are the things quoted below. Also, please look at the private
>> >> list (there was a question if you still intend to remain in the PMC
>> >> after graduation).
>> >>
>> >> > On Nov 7, 2017 20:02, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
>> >> >> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?).
>> What's
>> >> >> next? Anyone?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> +1 for the migration.
>> >> >> >> And right after that I think we should start the graduation
>> process.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
>> >> >> > before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Related:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -
>> >> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
>> >> >> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
>> >> >> >   Here some dates are year only.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
>> >> >> >   This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
>> >> >> >   licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Jacopo
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <
>> ddekany@apache.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
>> >> again
>> >> >> >>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org
>> now.
>> >> Also
>> >> >> >>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <
>> ddekany@apache.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >> >> >>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO),
>> >> also I
>> >> >> hear
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
>> >> >> Chrome if
>> >> >> >>> you
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
>> >> under
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>> Jacques
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do
>> it
>> >> >> yet.
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely
>> Monday...
>> >> >> >>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> Jacques
>> >> >> >>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
>> >> >> available
>> >> >> >>> before November
>> >> >> >>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far
>> all
>> >> >> seems
>> >> >> >>> OK :)
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our
>> site,
>> >> so
>> >> >> no
>> >> >> >>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed,
>> for
>> >> >> now.)
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the
>> issue of
>> >> >> >>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/>
>> web
>> >> >> >>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that
>> >> transition
>> >> >> >>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > Ralph
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> Thanks,
>> >> >> >>>  Daniel Dekany
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Thanks,
>> >> >>  Daniel Dekany
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>  Daniel Dekany
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
No idea why that thread is not in my inbox.

Anyway I still have the same idea of keeping around the project if my
support can be helpful, technically or whatever.

On Nov 8, 2017 23:17, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:

> Thursday, November 9, 2017, 3:05:26 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>
> > Sorry, I can't find that thread...
>
> And I can't link to that, as I have no right to use
> https://mail-search.apache.org/pmc/private-arch/freemarker-private/.
> But it doesn't mater. The question was that if FreeMarker graduates,
> will you stay in the FreeMarker PMC? (One year ago or so you said that
> you would, but I wanted that to be reassured.)
>
> > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 6:48:07 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
> >>
> >> > Nothing really that I can see. We should go for discusion seriously
> and
> >> > voting towards graduation ;-)
> >>
> >> There are the things quoted below. Also, please look at the private
> >> list (there was a question if you still intend to remain in the PMC
> >> after graduation).
> >>
> >> > On Nov 7, 2017 20:02, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
> >> >> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?).
> What's
> >> >> next? Anyone?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> +1 for the migration.
> >> >> >> And right after that I think we should start the graduation
> process.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
> >> >> > before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Related:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -
> >> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
> >> >> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
> >> >> >   Here some dates are year only.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
> >> >> >   This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
> >> >> >   licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Jacopo
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <
> ddekany@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
> >> again
> >> >> >>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org
> now.
> >> Also
> >> >> >>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <
> ddekany@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >> >> >>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >> >>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >> >> >>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO),
> >> also I
> >> >> hear
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
> >> >> Chrome if
> >> >> >>> you
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
> >> under
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
> >> >> >>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>> Jacques
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do
> it
> >> >> yet.
> >> >> >>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely
> Monday...
> >> >> >>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
> >> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >> >>> >>>>> Jacques
> >> >> >>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
> >> >> available
> >> >> >>> before November
> >> >> >>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far
> all
> >> >> seems
> >> >> >>> OK :)
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our
> site,
> >> so
> >> >> no
> >> >> >>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed,
> for
> >> >> now.)
> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the
> issue of
> >> >> >>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/>
> web
> >> >> >>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that
> >> transition
> >> >> >>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > Ralph
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >> >>>  Daniel Dekany
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>  Daniel Dekany
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >>  Daniel Dekany
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Thursday, November 9, 2017, 3:05:26 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:

> Sorry, I can't find that thread...

And I can't link to that, as I have no right to use
https://mail-search.apache.org/pmc/private-arch/freemarker-private/.
But it doesn't mater. The question was that if FreeMarker graduates,
will you stay in the FreeMarker PMC? (One year ago or so you said that
you would, but I wanted that to be reassured.)

> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 6:48:07 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>>
>> > Nothing really that I can see. We should go for discusion seriously and
>> > voting towards graduation ;-)
>>
>> There are the things quoted below. Also, please look at the private
>> list (there was a question if you still intend to remain in the PMC
>> after graduation).
>>
>> > On Nov 7, 2017 20:02, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
>> >> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?). What's
>> >> next? Anyone?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> +1 for the migration.
>> >> >> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.
>> >> >
>> >> > Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
>> >> > before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Related:
>> >> >
>> >> > -
>> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
>> >> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
>> >> >
>> >> > - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
>> >> >   Here some dates are year only.
>> >> >
>> >> > - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
>> >> >   This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
>> >> >   licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Jacopo
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
>> again
>> >> >>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now.
>> Also
>> >> >>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >> >>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >> >>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux
>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO),
>> also I
>> >> hear
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
>> >> Chrome if
>> >> >>> you
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
>> under
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>> >> >>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>> >> >>> >>>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> Jacques
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it
>> >> yet.
>> >> >>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
>> >> >>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>> Jacques
>> >> >>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
>> >> available
>> >> >>> before November
>> >> >>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all
>> >> seems
>> >> >>> OK :)
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site,
>> so
>> >> no
>> >> >>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for
>> >> now.)
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
>> >> >>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
>> >> >>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that
>> transition
>> >> >>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Ralph
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Thanks,
>> >> >>>  Daniel Dekany
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>  Daniel Dekany
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
Sorry, I can't find that thread...

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:

> Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 6:48:07 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>
> > Nothing really that I can see. We should go for discusion seriously and
> > voting towards graduation ;-)
>
> There are the things quoted below. Also, please look at the private
> list (there was a question if you still intend to remain in the PMC
> after graduation).
>
> > On Nov 7, 2017 20:02, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
> >> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?). What's
> >> next? Anyone?
> >>
> >>
> >> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
> >>
> >> > Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> +1 for the migration.
> >> >> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.
> >> >
> >> > Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
> >> > before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
> >> >
> >> > Related:
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
> >> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
> >> >
> >> > - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
> >> >   Here some dates are year only.
> >> >
> >> > - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
> >> >   This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
> >> >   licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
> >> >
> >> >> Jacopo
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up
> again
> >> >>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now.
> Also
> >> >>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >> >>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >> >>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux
> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO),
> also I
> >> hear
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
> >> Chrome if
> >> >>> you
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page
> under
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
> >> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
> >> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
> >> >>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
> >> >>> >>>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>>>> Jacques
> >> >>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it
> >> yet.
> >> >>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
> >> >>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> Jacques
> >> >>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
> >> available
> >> >>> before November
> >> >>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all
> >> seems
> >> >>> OK :)
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site,
> so
> >> no
> >> >>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for
> >> now.)
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
> >> >>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
> >> >>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that
> transition
> >> >>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Ralph
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>>  Daniel Dekany
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >>  Daniel Dekany
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 6:48:07 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote:

> Nothing really that I can see. We should go for discusion seriously and
> voting towards graduation ;-)

There are the things quoted below. Also, please look at the private
list (there was a question if you still intend to remain in the PMC
after graduation).

> On Nov 7, 2017 20:02, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
>> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?). What's
>> next? Anyone?
>>
>>
>> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>>
>> > Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> >
>> >> +1 for the migration.
>> >> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.
>> >
>> > Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
>> > before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
>> >
>> > Related:
>> >
>> > -
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
>> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
>> >
>> > - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
>> >   Here some dates are year only.
>> >
>> > - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
>> >   This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
>> >   licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
>> >
>> >> Jacopo
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up again
>> >>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now. Also
>> >>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO), also I
>> hear
>> >>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
>> Chrome if
>> >>> you
>> >>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page under
>> >>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>> >>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>> >>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>> Jacques
>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it
>> yet.
>> >>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
>> >>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>> Jacques
>> >>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
>> available
>> >>> before November
>> >>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all
>> seems
>> >>> OK :)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site, so
>> no
>> >>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for
>> now.)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
>> >>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
>> >>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that transition
>> >>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Ralph
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>  Daniel Dekany
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
Nothing really that I can see. We should go for discusion seriously and
voting towards graduation ;-)

On Nov 7, 2017 20:02, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:

> So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
> page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?). What's
> next? Anyone?
>
>
> Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>
> > Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> >
> >> +1 for the migration.
> >> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.
> >
> > Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
> > before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
> >
> > Related:
> >
> > -
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
> Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
> >
> > - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
> >   Here some dates are year only.
> >
> > - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
> >   This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
> >   licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
> >
> >> Jacopo
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up again
> >>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now. Also
> >>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
> >>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO), also I
> hear
> >>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in
> Chrome if
> >>> you
> >>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page under
> >>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
> >>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
> >>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> Jacques
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it
> yet.
> >>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
> >>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> Jacques
> >>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
> available
> >>> before November
> >>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all
> seems
> >>> OK :)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site, so
> no
> >>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for
> now.)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
> >>> >
> >>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
> >>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
> >>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that transition
> >>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
> >>> >
> >>> > Ralph
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>  Daniel Dekany
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>

Re: Attempting graduation?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
So, we have released 2.3.27, and has changed the domain of the home
page (not of try.freemarker.org though... is that a problem?). What's
next? Anyone?


Monday, October 23, 2017, 3:18:54 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote:

> Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>> +1 for the migration.
>> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.
>
> Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
> before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)
>
> Related:
>
> -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model
>
> - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
>   Here some dates are year only.
>
> - https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
>   This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
>   licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.
>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up again
>>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now. Also
>>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>>>
>>>
>>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO), also I hear
>>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in Chrome if
>>> you
>>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page under
>>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Jacques
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it yet.
>>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
>>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Jacques
>>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be available
>>> before November
>>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all seems
>>> OK :)
>>> >>
>>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site, so no
>>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for now.)
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
>>> >
>>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
>>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
>>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that transition
>>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>>> >
>>> > Ralph
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>  Daniel Dekany
>>>
>>>
>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Re: Attempting graduation? Was: Changing official domain to freemarker.apache.org now?

Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
Agree. Once we get 2.3.27 out, we should prepare for graduation.

On Oct 23, 2017 07:19, "Daniel Dekany" <dd...@apache.org> wrote:

Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> +1 for the migration.
> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.

Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)

Related:

- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/
Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model

- http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
  Here some dates are year only.

- https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
  This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
  licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.

> Jacopo
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>
wrote:
>
>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up again
>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now. Also
>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>>
>>
>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO), also I
hear
>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in Chrome
if
>> you
>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page under
>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jacques
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it yet.
>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Jacques
>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be
available
>> before November
>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all
seems
>> OK :)
>> >>
>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site, so no
>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for now.)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
>> >
>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that transition
>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>> >
>> > Ralph
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>

--
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany

Attempting graduation? Was: Changing official domain to freemarker.apache.org now?

Posted by Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org>.
Monday, October 23, 2017, 4:04:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

> +1 for the migration.
> And right after that I think we should start the graduation process.

Agreed regarding graduation. (We certainly should release 2.3.27
before that, but it's very close anyway, hopefully.)

Related:

- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FREEMARKER/Apache+FreeMarker+Project+Maturity+Model

- http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html:
  Here some dates are year only.

- https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/freemarker:
  This has some glitches, like it states "No Release Yet/Binary has
  licensing issues"... will have to update this somehow.

> Jacopo
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> As this issue that we aren't using an apache.org domain comes up again
>> and again, I propose that we switch to freemarker.apache.org now. Also
>> to try.freemarker.apache.org. Anybody for or against it?
>>
>>
>> Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daniel Dekany <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Friday, October 20, 2017, 12:24:30 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Le 01/10/2017 à 23:27, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >>>> Sunday, October 1, 2017, 8:26:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Le 23/09/2017 à 08:44, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >>>>>> Friday, September 22, 2017, 11:17:59 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Le 22/09/2017 à 22:22, Daniel Dekany a écrit :
>> >>>>>>>> Google doesn't like plain HTTP sites as we know (SEO), also I hear
>> >>>>>>>> that starting from October they want to show warning in Chrome if
>> you
>> >>>>>>>> have forms on your page. We do have forms... On all page under
>> >>>>>>>> http://freemarker.org/docs/ there's a search field, and
>> >>>>>>>> http://try.freemarker.org/ is nothing but a form.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Anyone want to tackle this? Or part of this?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I did that for OFBiz. I can have a look before October.
>> >>>>>> That would be great, thanks!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jacques
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> Sorry, OFBiz still being my priority, I was not able to do it yet.
>> >>>>> But I should be able to start this week, most likely Monday...
>> >>>> No problem, and thanks for keep us informed!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Jacques
>> >>> Sorry again, my current contract has changed and I'll not be available
>> before November
>> >>> I'm though trying the new release in OFBiz right now, so far all seems
>> OK :)
>> >>
>> >> The latest Chrome doesn't (yet?) show any warnings on our site, so no
>> >> problem. (Maybe they only do it if there's a password filed, for now.)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the checking the release!
>> >
>> > I should also point out that in the last board report the issue of
>> > freemarker not yet having an apache.org <http://apache.org/> web
>> > site came up. I would suggest that the project make that transition
>> > sooner than later if graduation is desired.
>> >
>> > Ralph
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>  Daniel Dekany
>>
>>

-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany