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[site][patch] vendors.xml - add Collabra Ltd
Hi,
Here is a patch to add Collabra Ltd as a complete solution provider on
the vendors page.
Cheers,
--
Michael
Re: The vendors page
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
-1
While (1) is no longer an issue (c'mon, it wasn't a real issue when the
vendor page was first created!), (2) is still true.
And the main things I disagree with is that criteria of "support" vs.
support should be committer status of one of the company employees. There
should definitely be some (more or less strict) "lameness" review of each
submission, but making it elitist just doesn't make sense.
Say for instance someone has a company that does a training course on a
number of Jakarta projects. None of the course instructors are Jakarta
committers, but they still educate the world about OpenSource software and
make whatever money they can while serving the community in their own way.
Is it that bad to list them on the vendor page?
Andrus Adamchik
> The original intent of the vendors.xml page was:
>
> 1. Because I got sick of hearing people say "Jakarta projects are not
> supported" and wanted a page to send people to during presentations.
>
> 2. So a certain unnamed committer would not feel the need to spam the
> lists
> (because I though if he got away with it, others would start doing it
> and then I'd get lists full of consultancy spam).
>
> Now that Open Source is no longer a commercial cussword and I doubt even
> an economic turnaround will kill the momentum, I think that the policy
> for that page ought to be "just have one of the committers you employ on
> the Jakarta projects you support make the change". Thus tightening it
> from people who "support" Jakarta projects to people who support Jakarta
> projects.
>
> Thoughts/Objections?
>
> -Andy
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Re: The vendors page
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:58:37 -0400
(Subject: The vendors page)
"Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
> The original intent of the vendors.xml page was:
>
> 1. Because I got sick of hearing people say "Jakarta projects are not
> supported" and wanted a page to send people to during presentations.
>
> 2. So a certain unnamed committer would not feel the need to spam
> the lists (because I though if he got away with it, others would start
> doing it and then I'd get lists full of consultancy spam).
>
> Now that Open Source is no longer a commercial cussword and I doubt
> even an economic turnaround will kill the momentum, I think that the
> policy for that page ought to be "just have one of the committers you
> employ on the Jakarta projects you support make the change". Thus
> tightening it from people who "support" Jakarta projects to people who
> support Jakarta projects.
>
> Thoughts/Objections?
I agree, but with qualifications.
How about preparing new page for the companies/vendors which have no
'committer' in jakarta? Just devide into the vendors.html
and vendorlist.html.
And make vendors.html for the vendors which employ the committers and
vendorlist.html for the vendors which do not employ the committers.
I really want to prepare the vendorlist.html with the list of the
regions (Asia, US, Europe, etc.). Apache-Jakarta is suffering the
shortage of the Asian vendors' support.
If there will be no 'another page' which can complement the vendors.html,
I oppose to your opinions (especially the requirement for *committership*).
Sincerely,
-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
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Re: The vendors page
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
Ah... what's going on with this below finally??
Discussions have gone away in a dense fog??
Sincerely,
-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:58:06 +0100
(Subject: Re: The vendors page)
robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> FWIW i think that the original arguments which lead to the creation of the
> vendors page are still relevant. it's very hard for any folks here to
> judge the merit (or otherwise) of companies providing support. on the
> other hand, there was a definite demand from users and vendors for a
> dating service.
>
> the original rule seemed to be a good one (a minimal test which some
> vendors have failed) as well having the merit of simplicity. on the other
> hand i do think that andrew's arguments have served a useful purpose in
> making us think harder about the purpose of that page. i also agree with
> alex in that probably the future direction is to something more
> apache-wide.
>
> on the other hand, i think that michael's answers have been reasonable and
> give him at least as much a reason as many of the existing vendors. unless
> i hear some good reasons not to, i'll probably commit something along
> those lines sometime soonish. i might also try to think of some ways to
> reorganize the page.
>
> - robert
>
> On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 10:08 AM, Alex McLintock wrote:
>
> > At 09:51 02/07/03 -0400, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
> >> I'm tending towards the argument that if you can convince someone who
> >> has the right access to update
> >> the vendors.xml
> >> page, then you deserve to be on the list.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > Yep - so basically this should be decided on a subproject-level in
> >> > Jakarta's case. I doubt *anyone* is able to support *all* Jakarta
> >> > subprojects on a level that he/she serves his customers well.
> >> > Suggestion: move this page away from the Jakarta main site, and
> >> > stimulate subprojects to host their own vendor pages.
> >> >
> >> > </Steven>
> >> > --
> >> > Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure of the point of a Vendors page. There are so many different
> > types of "vendors" covering so many projects that a single page - or even
> > a single XML is not necessarily the right thing.
> >
> > I started a database of companies who support open source software but I
> > am not sure it is the right as it is.
> >
> > I think Apache has grown large enough to need a database of trainers,
> > consultants, developers, vendors, and other support companies who will
> > provide assistence with using Apache software.
> >
> > We had a small mailing list for discussing these sorts of commercial
> > aspects to using Apache software but it never really got off the ground.
> >
> > Alex McLintock
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Re: The vendors page
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
FWIW i think that the original arguments which lead to the creation of the
vendors page are still relevant. it's very hard for any folks here to
judge the merit (or otherwise) of companies providing support. on the
other hand, there was a definite demand from users and vendors for a
dating service.
the original rule seemed to be a good one (a minimal test which some
vendors have failed) as well having the merit of simplicity. on the other
hand i do think that andrew's arguments have served a useful purpose in
making us think harder about the purpose of that page. i also agree with
alex in that probably the future direction is to something more
apache-wide.
on the other hand, i think that michael's answers have been reasonable and
give him at least as much a reason as many of the existing vendors. unless
i hear some good reasons not to, i'll probably commit something along
those lines sometime soonish. i might also try to think of some ways to
reorganize the page.
- robert
On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 10:08 AM, Alex McLintock wrote:
> At 09:51 02/07/03 -0400, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
>> I'm tending towards the argument that if you can convince someone who
>> has the right access to update
>> the vendors.xml
>> page, then you deserve to be on the list.
>>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> > Yep - so basically this should be decided on a subproject-level in
>> > Jakarta's case. I doubt *anyone* is able to support *all* Jakarta
>> > subprojects on a level that he/she serves his customers well.
>> > Suggestion: move this page away from the Jakarta main site, and
>> > stimulate subprojects to host their own vendor pages.
>> >
>> > </Steven>
>> > --
>> > Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
>
>
> I'm not sure of the point of a Vendors page. There are so many different
> types of "vendors" covering so many projects that a single page - or even
> a single XML is not necessarily the right thing.
>
> I started a database of companies who support open source software but I
> am not sure it is the right as it is.
>
> I think Apache has grown large enough to need a database of trainers,
> consultants, developers, vendors, and other support companies who will
> provide assistence with using Apache software.
>
> We had a small mailing list for discussing these sorts of commercial
> aspects to using Apache software but it never really got off the ground.
>
> Alex McLintock
>
>
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RE: The vendors page
Posted by Alex McLintock <al...@owal.co.uk>.
At 09:51 02/07/03 -0400, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
>I'm tending towards the argument that if you can convince someone who has
>the right access to update
>the vendors.xml
>page, then you deserve to be on the list.
>
>
> > Yep - so basically this should be decided on a subproject-level in
> > Jakarta's case. I doubt *anyone* is able to support *all* Jakarta
> > subprojects on a level that he/she serves his customers well.
> > Suggestion: move this page away from the Jakarta main site, and
> > stimulate subprojects to host their own vendor pages.
> >
> > </Steven>
> > --
> > Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
I'm not sure of the point of a Vendors page. There are so many different
types of "vendors" covering so many projects that a single page - or even a
single XML is not necessarily the right thing.
I started a database of companies who support open source software but I am
not sure it is the right as it is.
I think Apache has grown large enough to need a database of trainers,
consultants, developers, vendors, and other support companies who will
provide assistence with using Apache software.
We had a small mailing list for discussing these sorts of commercial
aspects to using Apache software but it never really got off the ground.
Alex McLintock
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Re: The vendors page
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
The problem is that ALL projects are ALWAYS desperate for help. Its just
often they need help from a particular kind of person. POI for instance
needs people who LIKE hex dumps and can think at a binary level. That¹s a
very small minority of Java developers.
Other projects have various other needs, but I doubt any project would say
"yeah, we're overstaffed"...
On 7/2/03 2:14 PM, "Brian McCallister" <mc...@forthillcompany.com>
wrote:
> It might be useful for projects who *need* help to let that be known in
> some easy-to-find way. Some projects are well staffed, some are
> understaffed. If you are involved with several of the project mailing
> lists it becomes more clear, but if you are say, a company who wants to
> contribute effort and talent it might be tough to figure out which
> projects need manpower.
>
> While no project is going to be accepted into Jakarta without a
> development community around it, there are always places that need more
> help than others.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
>
>>> Perhaps over time, he would get known and accepted in the
>>> community and
>>> someone would choose to nominate him for committer priviledges.
>>> Obviously, that is something that Collabra would have very little
>>> control over.
>>>
>>
>> If you have someone with talent and a decent amount of time to spend,
>> my experience is that they can
>> become a committer pretty quickly. If they are providing quality
>> mentoring and patches, it quickly
>> becomes easier to vote them in as a committer than to manually apply
>> their patches. So if your
>> primary goal is to establish Collabra's rep and your incidental goal
>> is to be listed on the vendors
>> page, start now and see results soon.
>>
>> --
>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>> Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
>> http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
>>
>>
>>
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Re: The vendors page
Posted by Brian McCallister <mc...@forthillcompany.com>.
It might be useful for projects who *need* help to let that be known in
some easy-to-find way. Some projects are well staffed, some are
understaffed. If you are involved with several of the project mailing
lists it becomes more clear, but if you are say, a company who wants to
contribute effort and talent it might be tough to figure out which
projects need manpower.
While no project is going to be accepted into Jakarta without a
development community around it, there are always places that need more
help than others.
Just my 2 cents.
-Brian
On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
>> Perhaps over time, he would get known and accepted in the
>> community and
>> someone would choose to nominate him for committer priviledges.
>> Obviously, that is something that Collabra would have very little
>> control over.
>>
>
> If you have someone with talent and a decent amount of time to spend,
> my experience is that they can
> become a committer pretty quickly. If they are providing quality
> mentoring and patches, it quickly
> becomes easier to vote them in as a committer than to manually apply
> their patches. So if your
> primary goal is to establish Collabra's rep and your incidental goal
> is to be listed on the vendors
> page, start now and see results soon.
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
>
>
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RE: The vendors page
Posted by "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hl...@comcast.net>.
> Perhaps over time, he would get known and accepted in the
> community and
> someone would choose to nominate him for committer priviledges.
> Obviously, that is something that Collabra would have very little
> control over.
>
If you have someone with talent and a decent amount of time to spend, my experience is that they can
become a committer pretty quickly. If they are providing quality mentoring and patches, it quickly
becomes easier to vote them in as a committer than to manually apply their patches. So if your
primary goal is to establish Collabra's rep and your incidental goal is to be listed on the vendors
page, start now and see results soon.
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
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Re: The vendors page
Posted by Michael Davey <Mi...@coderage.org>.
Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
>I'm tending towards the argument that if you can convince someone who has the right access to update
>the vendors.xml
>page, then you deserve to be on the list.
>
My motivation for attempting to add Collabra to the list was with the
long-term plan of moving one of my engineers to a full time open source
role in response to the additional business that the entry produced.
Right now we make the occasional contribution to other Open Source
projects but virtually no contributions to Apache (and those were done
in employees' own time). If there is enough paid Jakarta work to keep
one of my engineers busy for 3 or 4 days a week, the decision to ask him
to "find other Jakarta stuff to do" for the rest of his time is an easy
one to make.
Perhaps over time, he would get known and accepted in the community and
someone would choose to nominate him for committer priviledges.
Obviously, that is something that Collabra would have very little
control over.
An alternative would be to employ an existing committer (perhaps
poaching them from their existing employer). A side-effect would be
that they would then be obligated for the most part to work on features
that Collabra deems important, rather than what the wider community
wants, thus actually reducing the capacity of the Jakarta project to
achieve its aims. This goes completely against our corporate philosophy
and, IMHO, the spirit of the communtiy and I won't do it.
I guess what I am saying is that we are a small company with limited
resources (heck, even Sendmail, Inc. only contributes ~50 man-hours per
week to freeware sendmail). We want to help out and give something back
to the community (beyond increasing the install base and training
users), but we need you to help us help you.
--
Michael Davey
Technical Director
Collabra Ltd.
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Re: The vendors page
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Okay, then I shall for now on dutifully ignore patches to the page from
names I do not recognize. I, personally, am unlikely to commit patches at
all (figuring most should be able to commit them themselves with the rare
exceptions mentioned) from this point on.
-Andy
On 7/2/03 9:51 AM, "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I'm tending towards the argument that if you can convince someone who has the
> right access to update
> the vendors.xml
> page, then you deserve to be on the list.
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steven Noels [mailto:stevenn@outerthought.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:37 AM
>> To: Jakarta General List
>> Subject: Re: The vendors page
>>
>>
>> On 2/07/2003 11:13 Santiago Gala wrote:
>>
>>> I would not say "you employ", but "just convince one
>> jakarta commiter
>>> to
>>> make the change". This would ensure at least some level of
>> communication
>>> (like sending it to the project -dev list and discussing it
>> there, etc.)
>>
>> +1 on being present on the list and discussing things
>>
>> <snip/>
>>
>>> the project committers should be aware of them existing and
>>> supporting the project.
>>
>> Yep - so basically this should be decided on a subproject-level in
>> Jakarta's case. I doubt *anyone* is able to support *all* Jakarta
>> subprojects on a level that he/she serves his customers well.
>> Suggestion: move this page away from the Jakarta main site, and
>> stimulate subprojects to host their own vendor pages.
>>
>> </Steven>
>> --
>> Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
>> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
>> Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
>> stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
>>
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RE: The vendors page
Posted by "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hl...@comcast.net>.
I'm tending towards the argument that if you can convince someone who has the right access to update
the vendors.xml
page, then you deserve to be on the list.
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Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Noels [mailto:stevenn@outerthought.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:37 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: The vendors page
>
>
> On 2/07/2003 11:13 Santiago Gala wrote:
>
> > I would not say "you employ", but "just convince one
> jakarta commiter
> > to
> > make the change". This would ensure at least some level of
> communication
> > (like sending it to the project -dev list and discussing it
> there, etc.)
>
> +1 on being present on the list and discussing things
>
> <snip/>
>
> > the project committers should be aware of them existing and
> > supporting the project.
>
> Yep - so basically this should be decided on a subproject-level in
> Jakarta's case. I doubt *anyone* is able to support *all* Jakarta
> subprojects on a level that he/she serves his customers well.
> Suggestion: move this page away from the Jakarta main site, and
> stimulate subprojects to host their own vendor pages.
>
> </Steven>
> --
> Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
> stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
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Re: The vendors page
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On 2/07/2003 11:13 Santiago Gala wrote:
> I would not say "you employ", but "just convince one jakarta commiter to
> make the change". This would ensure at least some level of communication
> (like sending it to the project -dev list and discussing it there, etc.)
+1 on being present on the list and discussing things
<snip/>
> the project committers should be aware of them existing and
> supporting the project.
Yep - so basically this should be decided on a subproject-level in
Jakarta's case. I doubt *anyone* is able to support *all* Jakarta
subprojects on a level that he/she serves his customers well.
Suggestion: move this page away from the Jakarta main site, and
stimulate subprojects to host their own vendor pages.
</Steven>
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Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
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Re: The vendors page
Posted by Santiago Gala <sg...@hisitech.com>.
Andrew C. Oliver escribió:
> The original intent of the vendors.xml page was:
>
> 1. Because I got sick of hearing people say "Jakarta projects are not
> supported" and wanted a page to send people to during presentations.
>
> 2. So a certain unnamed committer would not feel the need to spam the lists
> (because I though if he got away with it, others would start doing it and
> then I'd get lists full of consultancy spam).
>
> Now that Open Source is no longer a commercial cussword and I doubt even an
> economic turnaround will kill the momentum, I think that the policy for that
> page ought to be "just have one of the committers you employ on the Jakarta
> projects you support make the change". Thus tightening it from people who
> "support" Jakarta projects to people who support Jakarta projects.
>
> Thoughts/Objections?
>
+1 It is a simple test of reasonable support, not just lurking.
I would not say "you employ", but "just convince one jakarta commiter to
make the change". This would ensure at least some level of communication
(like sending it to the project -dev list and discussing it there, etc.)
It the spirit of Open Source, if a Company is not able to have a fluid
relation with at least one committer of one of the projects they
support, I can't see how they can claim support of the projects.
Note I'm saying less than Andy. Not "employing" a committer, but
channelling the change through one committer. The company maybe
contributed some patches or docs, or just good answers in the -user
list, but the project committers should be aware of them existing and
supporting the project.
> -Andy
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The vendors page
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
The original intent of the vendors.xml page was:
1. Because I got sick of hearing people say "Jakarta projects are not
supported" and wanted a page to send people to during presentations.
2. So a certain unnamed committer would not feel the need to spam the lists
(because I though if he got away with it, others would start doing it and
then I'd get lists full of consultancy spam).
Now that Open Source is no longer a commercial cussword and I doubt even an
economic turnaround will kill the momentum, I think that the policy for that
page ought to be "just have one of the committers you employ on the Jakarta
projects you support make the change". Thus tightening it from people who
"support" Jakarta projects to people who support Jakarta projects.
Thoughts/Objections?
-Andy
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Re: [site][patch] vendors.xml - add Collabra Ltd
Posted by Michael Davey <Mi...@coderage.org>.
Danny Angus wrote:
>I can't see how Collabra are relevant to a list of companies offering support and experise in jakarta porducts.
>Perhaps you can explain.
>
Danny,
Perhaps I misunderstood the types of vendors that 'qualify' for a
listing on the vendors page.
The special projects group at Collabra provides design, development,
consultancy and support services for various elements of the Apache
Jakarta Project:
* Ant
* Maven
* Struts
* Velocity
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Michael
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RE: [site][patch] vendors.xml - add Collabra Ltd
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
I can't see how Collabra are relevant to a list of companies offering support and experise in jakarta porducts.
Perhaps you can explain.
d.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Davey [mailto:Michael.Davey@coderage.org]
> Sent: 01 July 2003 18:38
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: [site][patch] vendors.xml - add Collabra Ltd
>
>
> Attachment doesn't seem to have worked, so here it is with a different
> filename and also inline:
>
> MD5: 47330a142bb9351454b9bf2892bcb293 (RzMKFCu5NRRUub8okryykw==) =
> patch_vendors.xml
> -->%--
> --- vendors.xml,1.14 Thu Jun 26 16:40:05 2003
> +++ vendors.xml,patched Thu Jun 26 16:53:23 2003
> @@ -123,6 +123,18 @@
> <hr size="1" noshade="noshade" />
> <p>
> <ul>
> + <li><a href="http://www.Collabra.Ltd.UK/special.shtml"><b>Collabra
> Ltd</b></a></li>
> + <ul>
> + <li>Collabra Ltd specialises in solutions for software process
> improvement using collaborative development concepts. We always take an
> hollistic approach, choosing the best combination of people, processes
> and technology for each solution.</li>
> + <li>UK & Ireland (Head Office: Wellingborough,
> Northamptonshire, UK)</li>
> + <li>info at Collabra. Ltd. UK or call ++44 1933 624415</li>
> + </ul>
> + </li>
> + </ul>
> + </p>
> +<hr size="1" noshade="noshade" />
> + <p>
> + <ul>
> <li><a href="http://www.JAMMConsulting.com/"><b>JAMM Consulting,
> Inc.</b></a>
> <ul>
> <li>We provide complete web-based business solutions by creating
> highly interactive websites using Apache Server, Tomcat, and MySQL on
> Linux.</li>
> -->%--
>
>
> Michael Davey wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here is a patch to add Collabra Ltd as a complete solution provider on
> > the vendors page.
> >
> > Cheers,
>
> --
> Michael
>
>
Re: [site][patch] vendors.xml - add Collabra Ltd
Posted by Michael Davey <Mi...@coderage.org>.
Attachment doesn't seem to have worked, so here it is with a different
filename and also inline:
MD5: 47330a142bb9351454b9bf2892bcb293 (RzMKFCu5NRRUub8okryykw==) =
patch_vendors.xml
-->%--
--- vendors.xml,1.14 Thu Jun 26 16:40:05 2003
+++ vendors.xml,patched Thu Jun 26 16:53:23 2003
@@ -123,6 +123,18 @@
<hr size="1" noshade="noshade" />
<p>
<ul>
+ <li><a href="http://www.Collabra.Ltd.UK/special.shtml"><b>Collabra
Ltd</b></a></li>
+ <ul>
+ <li>Collabra Ltd specialises in solutions for software process
improvement using collaborative development concepts. We always take an
hollistic approach, choosing the best combination of people, processes
and technology for each solution.</li>
+ <li>UK & Ireland (Head Office: Wellingborough,
Northamptonshire, UK)</li>
+ <li>info at Collabra. Ltd. UK or call ++44 1933 624415</li>
+ </ul>
+ </li>
+ </ul>
+ </p>
+<hr size="1" noshade="noshade" />
+ <p>
+ <ul>
<li><a href="http://www.JAMMConsulting.com/"><b>JAMM Consulting,
Inc.</b></a>
<ul>
<li>We provide complete web-based business solutions by creating
highly interactive websites using Apache Server, Tomcat, and MySQL on
Linux.</li>
-->%--
Michael Davey wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here is a patch to add Collabra Ltd as a complete solution provider on
> the vendors page.
>
> Cheers,
--
Michael