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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com> on 2009/12/03 01:31:18 UTC
Re: Discussion: Summarize Proposed Trunk Changes
To summarize the replies in this thread:
#1 Require Java 6: Should be voted on. We voted on it and it was agreed
to make the change to Java 6.
#2 Remove Cloudscape support: No disagreement on that issue, so no vote
is necessary. I will work on making that change in the near future.
#3 Remove the Shark component: Should be voted on. Voting thread not
started yet.
#4 Include Birt: The only issue is licensing, so no voting is necessary.
Many thanks to David for getting the Java 6 voting thread started!
-Adrian
Adrian Crum wrote:
> Lately there there have been some discussions about making big changes to the trunk. I would like to suggest that we summarize those proposed changes, create a voting thread for each change, and then send a friendly announcement to the user mailing list about the proposed changes that won the vote.
>
> In the USA we are in the midst of a major holiday, so we need to give others plenty of time to respond. So, how about this: let's list our proposed changes in this thread and wait a few days for responses. Sometime next week we can start the voting threads. About a week after that, summarize the voting results and send an announcement to the user mailing list. What do you think?
>
> To get things started, here are the proposed changes I am aware of:
>
> 1. Require Java 6
>
> 2. Remove Cloudscape support
>
> 3. Remove the Shark component
>
> Feel free to add others to the list.
>
> -Adrian
Re: Discussion: Summarize Proposed Trunk Changes
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
Jacques and Scott,
Thank you for the clarification. I know I read through all of the
replies, but I don't know how I missed that.
-Adrian
Scott Gray wrote:
> On 3/12/2009, at 7:44 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@hlmksw.com>
>>> #3 Remove the Shark component: Should be voted on. Voting thread not
>>> started yet.
>>
>> I have suggested to create a deprecated directories instead than
>> simply removing.
>> There OOTB, no compilations, nor Javadoc , directions to use (they
>> already exists but should be extracted from OPTIONAL_LIBRARIES), no
>> problems for us, visibility for users.
>
> I've also suggested that I don't think we should remove the component
> and if people are concerned about having to make sure it compiles then I
> will do this regularly.
>
> Regards
> Scott
Re: Discussion: Summarize Proposed Trunk Changes
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On 3/12/2009, at 7:44 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@hlmksw.com>
>> #3 Remove the Shark component: Should be voted on. Voting thread
>> not started yet.
>
> I have suggested to create a deprecated directories instead than
> simply removing.
> There OOTB, no compilations, nor Javadoc , directions to use (they
> already exists but should be extracted from OPTIONAL_LIBRARIES), no
> problems for us, visibility for users.
I've also suggested that I don't think we should remove the component
and if people are concerned about having to make sure it compiles then
I will do this regularly.
Regards
Scott
Re: Discussion: Summarize Proposed Trunk Changes
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Thanks Scott,
It's fine with me (I have already prevented also Shark JavaDoc to build, which was my real concern, as I got trapped)
Jacques
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From: "Scott Gray" <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> To be honest I don't really feel like rewriting all the opinions I've
> already expressed on this subject but here are the main points:
> 1. I don't think shark should be deprecated/removed
> 2. Shark is already excluded from compilation so I don't see why we
> need to move it achieve something we already have and it would just
> make the component more difficult to reactivate.
> 3. In general I don't like the idea of a deprecated directory, either
> remove something or leave it, I don't think we need an intermediate
> step.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
> On 10/12/2009, at 11:42 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Please Scott,
>>
>> Could you be more explicit, what is the problem of creating a
>> deprecated directory where no longer used applications will be
>> freezed (without compilation nor JavaDOc update)
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
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>> From: "Scott Gray" <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>> I do see a problem, please reread the emails I've sent.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> HotWax Media
>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>> On 10/12/2009, at 11:06 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> If nobody see a problem with this approach I will do... some day...
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
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>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@hlmksw.com>
>>>>>> #3 Remove the Shark component: Should be voted on. Voting
>>>>>> thread not started yet.
>>>>> I have suggested to create a deprecated directories instead than
>>>>> simply removing. There OOTB, no compilations, nor Javadoc ,
>>>>> directions to use (they already exists but should be extracted
>>>>> from OPTIONAL_LIBRARIES), no problems for us, visibility for users.
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Discussion: Summarize Proposed Trunk Changes
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
To be honest I don't really feel like rewriting all the opinions I've
already expressed on this subject but here are the main points:
1. I don't think shark should be deprecated/removed
2. Shark is already excluded from compilation so I don't see why we
need to move it achieve something we already have and it would just
make the component more difficult to reactivate.
3. In general I don't like the idea of a deprecated directory, either
remove something or leave it, I don't think we need an intermediate
step.
Regards
Scott
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
On 10/12/2009, at 11:42 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Please Scott,
>
> Could you be more explicit, what is the problem of creating a
> deprecated directory where no longer used applications will be
> freezed (without compilation nor JavaDOc update)
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
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> From: "Scott Gray" <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> I do see a problem, please reread the emails I've sent.
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>> On 10/12/2009, at 11:06 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> If nobody see a problem with this approach I will do... some day...
>>>
>>> Jacques
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>>>
>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@hlmksw.com>
>>>>> #3 Remove the Shark component: Should be voted on. Voting
>>>>> thread not started yet.
>>>> I have suggested to create a deprecated directories instead than
>>>> simply removing. There OOTB, no compilations, nor Javadoc ,
>>>> directions to use (they already exists but should be extracted
>>>> from OPTIONAL_LIBRARIES), no problems for us, visibility for users.
>>>> Jacques
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Discussion: Summarize Proposed Trunk Changes
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Please Scott,
Could you be more explicit, what is the problem of creating a deprecated directory where no longer used applications will be freezed
(without compilation nor JavaDOc update)
Thanks
Jacques
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From: "Scott Gray" <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>I do see a problem, please reread the emails I've sent.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> On 10/12/2009, at 11:06 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> If nobody see a problem with this approach I will do... some day...
>>
>> Jacques
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>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>> From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@hlmksw.com>
>>>> #3 Remove the Shark component: Should be voted on. Voting thread not started yet.
>>> I have suggested to create a deprecated directories instead than simply removing. There OOTB, no compilations, nor Javadoc ,
>>> directions to use (they already exists but should be extracted from OPTIONAL_LIBRARIES), no problems for us, visibility for
>>> users.
>>> Jacques
>>
>
>
Re: Discussion: Summarize Proposed Trunk Changes
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I do see a problem, please reread the emails I've sent.
Regards
Scott
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
On 10/12/2009, at 11:06 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> If nobody see a problem with this approach I will do... some day...
>
> Jacques
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>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@hlmksw.com>
>>> #3 Remove the Shark component: Should be voted on. Voting thread
>>> not started yet.
>> I have suggested to create a deprecated directories instead than
>> simply removing. There OOTB, no compilations, nor Javadoc ,
>> directions to use (they already exists but should be extracted
>> from OPTIONAL_LIBRARIES), no problems for us, visibility for users.
>> Jacques
>
Re: Discussion: Summarize Proposed Trunk Changes
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
If nobody see a problem with this approach I will do... some day...
Jacques
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From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@hlmksw.com>
>> #3 Remove the Shark component: Should be voted on. Voting thread not started yet.
>
> I have suggested to create a deprecated directories instead than simply removing.
>
> There OOTB,
> no compilations,
> nor Javadoc ,
> directions to use (they already exists but should be extracted from OPTIONAL_LIBRARIES),
> no problems for us,
> visibility for users.
>
> Jacques
>
>
Re: Discussion: Summarize Proposed Trunk Changes
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@hlmksw.com>
> #3 Remove the Shark component: Should be voted on. Voting thread not started yet.
I have suggested to create a deprecated directories instead than simply removing.
There OOTB,
no compilations,
nor Javadoc ,
directions to use (they already exists but should be extracted from OPTIONAL_LIBRARIES),
no problems for us,
visibility for users.
Jacques