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Posted to dev@nuttx.apache.org by Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com> on 2022/07/21 11:09:51 UTC
Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Hi team,
I received this email and I don't know what we need to do to avoid it:
MrsSnoozyTurtle left a message on *your talk page* in "*Proposed
deletion of NuttX*".
The article NuttX has been proposed for deletion because of the following
concern: Promotional article While all constructive contributions to Wiki
Re: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>.
Thank you guys!
I just remove the Removal and asked the guy to explain what he saw as
Promotion Material.
Michael, I think it is a good idea to keep the listing of supported
features, it could help people that are not developers to make the
direct decision when choosing a RTOS. Please take a look at FreeRTOS
page, they list all supported MCUs and features.
BR,
Alan
On 7/21/22, Michal Lenc <mi...@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
>
>
>
>
> as a former administrator on Czech Wikipedia I personally do not see a
> reason for a deletion. But it may be the standards on English Wiki are
> different, each language mutation has its own rules. What could help from
> my
> point of view would be an addition of "history" chapter or something like
> that and a deletion of the long lists of key futures, platforms and
> drivers.
> Those generally should not be included in a good Wikipedia article. If the
> readed wants to know for example all supported platforms he should refer to
>
> NuttX documentation. Still I do not see this as a reason to delete the
> page.
>
>
>
>
>
> For now I would reccomend to ask user MrsSnoozyTurtle on his talk page
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrsSnoozyTurtle) what parts of the
>
> article does he consider to be promotional so we know what we need to
> change.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Lenc
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Původní e-mail ----------
> Od: Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>
> Komu: dev <de...@nuttx.apache.org>
> Datum: 21. 7. 2022 13:10:12
> Předmět: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
> "Hi team,
>
> I received this email and I don't know what we need to do to avoid it:
>
> MrsSnoozyTurtle left a message on *your talk page* in "*Proposed
> deletion of NuttX*".
> The article NuttX has been proposed for deletion because of the following
> concern: Promotional article While all constructive contributions to Wiki
> "
Re: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by Michal Lenc <mi...@seznam.cz>.
Hi Alan,
as a former administrator on Czech Wikipedia I personally do not see a
reason for a deletion. But it may be the standards on English Wiki are
different, each language mutation has its own rules. What could help from my
point of view would be an addition of "history" chapter or something like
that and a deletion of the long lists of key futures, platforms and drivers.
Those generally should not be included in a good Wikipedia article. If the
readed wants to know for example all supported platforms he should refer to
NuttX documentation. Still I do not see this as a reason to delete the page.
For now I would reccomend to ask user MrsSnoozyTurtle on his talk page
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrsSnoozyTurtle) what parts of the
article does he consider to be promotional so we know what we need to
change.
Best regards,
Michal Lenc
---------- Původní e-mail ----------
Od: Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>
Komu: dev <de...@nuttx.apache.org>
Datum: 21. 7. 2022 13:10:12
Předmět: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
"Hi team,
I received this email and I don't know what we need to do to avoid it:
MrsSnoozyTurtle left a message on *your talk page* in "*Proposed
deletion of NuttX*".
The article NuttX has been proposed for deletion because of the following
concern: Promotional article While all constructive contributions to Wiki
"
RE: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by "Alin.Jerpelea@sony.com" <Al...@sony.com>.
I can't spot promotional materials and I think that we should try to contact MrsSnoozyTurtle and understand what is his concern
Best regards
Alin
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>
Sent: den 21 juli 2022 13:10
To: dev <de...@nuttx.apache.org>
Subject: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Hi team,
I received this email and I don't know what we need to do to avoid it:
MrsSnoozyTurtle left a message on *your talk page* in "*Proposed deletion of NuttX*".
The article NuttX has been proposed for deletion because of the following
concern: Promotional article While all constructive contributions to Wiki
Re: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by Sebastien Lorquet <se...@lorquet.fr>.
Hi,
The NuttX page should obviously not be deleted by it is not exactly
written in an encyclopedic style
I see text like (because Mr Greg did something and something) - you
should try to edit that so that it sounds more formal and neutral
This is not biased opinions, but is clearly not academic enough.
Also I can understand how the endless list of features looks like and
excerpt of the website and promotes too much. It should be shorter and
contain more explanations as paragraphs of text than lists. This list
sounds like bragging.
Inspiration could be obtained on other RTOS pages...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeRTOS
Sebastien
Le 21/07/2022 à 16:19, Tomek CEDRO a écrit :
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:56 PM Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote:
>> Hi Tomek,
>> Thank you for your support on it.
>> I don't know how we could avoid it, if someone decided that NuttX is
>> not relevant they can go on and try to suggest to remove the article.
> Hmm looking at the activities from the IP address (USA/California?)
> that stated bias there were also some good commits for NuttX page.
> This may be someone from our community? Maybe a FitBit developer? :-P
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/96.46.149.166
>
>
>> Fortunately I was on my computer today and saw it, but imagine if I
>> was in vacation?
> Yup, exactly, people not familiar with the subject are deciding on
> knowledge removal, quite frightening.
>
>
>> Maybe others here need to setup some notification to receive case
>> someone edit the NuttX page, I think wikipedia support it.
> I did some small update (stated FOSS directly after NuttX and before
> RTOS should be clear enough what kind of project this is) and thus
> subscribed to the page, I should get notifications too :-)
>
>
>> In the other hand, the only way we could get more awareness and making
>> NuttX more popular. Unfortunately nobody here replied to Alin emails
>> asking for help to NuttX Workshop, seems like nobody really cares
>> about NuttX and it is really sad.
> I would be more that glad to attend this kind of workshop but have
> nothing to offer to present yet sorry :-(
>
> World now seems a bit messy, probably on purpose by some groups of
> interests, people often have problems with basic life conditions now
> like food and accommodation, struggling to fulfill the Edison's vision
> of paying the bills, a time is most precious now and this is really
> sad I we cannot focus on important creative tasks as we would really
> wanted, its not always matter of "care" but "can" I guess.
>
Re: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info>.
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:56 PM Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote:
> Hi Tomek,
> Thank you for your support on it.
> I don't know how we could avoid it, if someone decided that NuttX is
> not relevant they can go on and try to suggest to remove the article.
Hmm looking at the activities from the IP address (USA/California?)
that stated bias there were also some good commits for NuttX page.
This may be someone from our community? Maybe a FitBit developer? :-P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/96.46.149.166
> Fortunately I was on my computer today and saw it, but imagine if I
> was in vacation?
Yup, exactly, people not familiar with the subject are deciding on
knowledge removal, quite frightening.
> Maybe others here need to setup some notification to receive case
> someone edit the NuttX page, I think wikipedia support it.
I did some small update (stated FOSS directly after NuttX and before
RTOS should be clear enough what kind of project this is) and thus
subscribed to the page, I should get notifications too :-)
> In the other hand, the only way we could get more awareness and making
> NuttX more popular. Unfortunately nobody here replied to Alin emails
> asking for help to NuttX Workshop, seems like nobody really cares
> about NuttX and it is really sad.
I would be more that glad to attend this kind of workshop but have
nothing to offer to present yet sorry :-(
World now seems a bit messy, probably on purpose by some groups of
interests, people often have problems with basic life conditions now
like food and accommodation, struggling to fulfill the Edison's vision
of paying the bills, a time is most precious now and this is really
sad I we cannot focus on important creative tasks as we would really
wanted, its not always matter of "care" but "can" I guess.
--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
RE: Sensor DS18b20
Posted by di...@gmail.com.
Ahh yes thank you! I was looking in the wrong place ..... it has been too long 😉
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>
Verzonden: dinsdag 2 augustus 2022 21:43
Aan: dev@nuttx.apache.org
Onderwerp: Re: Sensor DS18b20
maybe you are not looking at the right place:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-nuttx/tree/master/drivers/sensors
BR,
Alan
On 8/2/22, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com <di...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Its not there anymore? Or am I missing something?
>
> Ben
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>
> Verzonden: dinsdag 2 augustus 2022 21:30
> Aan: dev@nuttx.apache.org
> Onderwerp: Re: Sensor DS18b20
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> It is supposed to be at drivers/sensors/ds18b20.c
>
> BR,
>
> Alan
>
> On 8/2/22, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com
> <di...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Is there a driver available for the DS18b20/DS1820? And yes where can
>> I find dit?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Ben
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Sensor DS18b20
Posted by Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>.
maybe you are not looking at the right place:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-nuttx/tree/master/drivers/sensors
BR,
Alan
On 8/2/22, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com
<di...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Its not there anymore? Or am I missing something?
>
> Ben
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>
> Verzonden: dinsdag 2 augustus 2022 21:30
> Aan: dev@nuttx.apache.org
> Onderwerp: Re: Sensor DS18b20
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> It is supposed to be at drivers/sensors/ds18b20.c
>
> BR,
>
> Alan
>
> On 8/2/22, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com <di...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Is there a driver available for the DS18b20/DS1820? And yes where can
>> I find dit?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Ben
>>
>>
>
>
RE: Sensor DS18b20
Posted by di...@gmail.com.
Its not there anymore? Or am I missing something?
Ben
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>
Verzonden: dinsdag 2 augustus 2022 21:30
Aan: dev@nuttx.apache.org
Onderwerp: Re: Sensor DS18b20
Hi Ben,
It is supposed to be at drivers/sensors/ds18b20.c
BR,
Alan
On 8/2/22, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com <di...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a driver available for the DS18b20/DS1820? And yes where can
> I find dit?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ben
>
>
Re: Sensor DS18b20
Posted by Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ben,
It is supposed to be at drivers/sensors/ds18b20.c
BR,
Alan
On 8/2/22, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com
<di...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a driver available for the DS18b20/DS1820? And yes where can I find
> dit?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ben
>
>
Sensor DS18b20
Posted by di...@gmail.com.
Is there a driver available for the DS18b20/DS1820? And yes where can I find dit?
Thanks in advance
Ben
Re: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by Alan Carvalho de Assis <ac...@gmail.com>.
Hi Tomek,
Thank you for your support on it.
I don't know how we could avoid it, if someone decided that NuttX is
not relevant they can go on and try to suggest to remove the article.
Fortunately I was on my computer today and saw it, but imagine if I
was in vacation?
Maybe others here need to setup some notification to receive case
someone edit the NuttX page, I think wikipedia support it.
In the other hand, the only way we could get more awareness and making
NuttX more popular. Unfortunately nobody here replied to Alin emails
asking for help to NuttX Workshop, seems like nobody really cares
about NuttX and it is really sad.
BR,
Alan
On 7/21/22, Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:33 PM Tomek CEDRO wrote:
>> (..) Wikipedia is not what it used to be. (..)
>
> By the way, in any system there should be a feedback controlling the
> system, including rogue administrators. We cannot accept this
> situation, as this happened to me before, it happens now, and it will
> happen in future. Wikipedia cannot become a dictatorship of an
> uncontrolled group.
>
> Any ideas? :-)
>
> --
> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
>
Re: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info>.
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:17 PM Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> I have posted an opposition to deleting Free-and-Open-Source projects
> from WikiPedia, particulary the NuttX, with explanation, on the
> MrsSnoozyTurtle (focused mostly on deleting articles) talk page:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrsSnoozyTurtle
In addition:
1. I have added my opposition to removing NuttX page from WikiPedia in
the Talk section:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:NuttX
2. I have marked potential requester IP as spam / troll:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A96.46.149.166#SPAM_/_Troll_?
Hope that helps, more users are welcome to comment, we have one week :-)
--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
Re: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info>.
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:37 PM Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> By the way, in any system there should be a feedback controlling the
> system, including rogue administrators. We cannot accept this
> situation, as this happened to me before, it happens now, and it will
> happen in future. Wikipedia cannot become a dictatorship of an
> uncontrolled group.
>
> Any ideas? :-)
I have posted an opposition to deleting Free-and-Open-Source projects
from WikiPedia, particulary the NuttX, with explanation, on the
MrsSnoozyTurtle (focused mostly on deleting articles) talk page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrsSnoozyTurtle
--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
Re: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info>.
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:33 PM Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> (..) Wikipedia is not what it used to be. (..)
By the way, in any system there should be a feedback controlling the
system, including rogue administrators. We cannot accept this
situation, as this happened to me before, it happens now, and it will
happen in future. Wikipedia cannot become a dictatorship of an
uncontrolled group.
Any ideas? :-)
--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
Re: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info>.
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 1:10 PM Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote:
> Hi team,
> I received this email and I don't know what we need to do to avoid it:
> MrsSnoozyTurtle left a message on *your talk page* in "*Proposed
> deletion of NuttX*".
> The article NuttX has been proposed for deletion because of the following
> concern: Promotional article While all constructive contributions to Wiki
Thank you for your vigilance Alan! We, as the NuttX community, need to
object the deletion by creating account on wikipedia and putting our
arguments against deletion on the NuttX Talk page.
Wikipedia is not what it used to be. I had many situations of this
kind. They replaced brains with asses and creators are mostly on the
lost position. I lots my faith in wikipedia some time ago. But there
are also still some good administrators and we can win this
(unnecessary and unjust) fight :-)
--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
Re: Wikipedia: "Proposal deletion of NuttX"
Posted by Marc Rosen <ma...@zeitcontrol.de>.
Hi,
well I would recommend to object to deletion per wikipedia guide lines [1].
Then figure out what is deemed "promotional" about the article because I
could not.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion#Objecting
Regards,
Marc Rosen
ZeitControl Cardsystems GmbH
Siedlerweg 39
D-32429 Minden
Tel. ++49 (0)571 50 52 222
Fax. ++49 (0)571 50 52 299
E-Mail marcr@zeitcontrol.de
Am 21.07.2022 um 13:09 schrieb Alan Carvalho de Assis:
> Hi team,
>
> I received this email and I don't know what we need to do to avoid it:
>
> MrsSnoozyTurtle left a message on *your talk page* in "*Proposed
> deletion of NuttX*".
> The article NuttX has been proposed for deletion because of the following
> concern: Promotional article While all constructive contributions to Wiki
>