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legal questsion
Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has
pointed me towards here a legal question.
I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource
software a significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license.
It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library.
Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me.
I have committer rights to myfaces.
The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as
separate myfaces subproject.
The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just be
merged in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed
upfront. The code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the
coderights, and licensing issues are in the clear!
Kind regards
Werner Punz
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Re: legal questsion
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>.
Ok thanks for the clarification,
btw. sorry for the typo in the topic.
Werner
Craig L Russell schrieb:
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Craig L Russell
>> <Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
>>> I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other question is
>>> whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution.
>>
>> yes, they will. Already kind of an agreement about that on dev@m.a.o.
>
> Great, then it's just paperwork now.
>
> Craig
>>
>>
>> -M
>>
>>>
>>> The process at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html
>>> seems to
>>> fit the need here. There is a minimum of "e-paperwork" to do: just
>>> requires
>>> the myfaces PMC to request and the Incubator PMC to accept it.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't call it "legal issue". It's more a question what to do with
>>>> the contribution,
>>>> since it was developed "offline".
>>>>
>>>> I personally think that a software grant for this offer should be fine.
>>>> Main reason is, that the original author is already part of the
>>>> myfaces community.
>>>>
>>>> -Matthias
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has
>>>>> pointed
>>>>> me
>>>>> towards here a legal question.
>>>>> I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource
>>>>> software a
>>>>> significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license.
>>>>> It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library.
>>>>> Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me.
>>>>> I have committer rights to myfaces.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as
>>>>> separate
>>>>> myfaces subproject.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just be
>>>>> merged
>>>>> in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed upfront.
>>>>> The
>>>>> code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the coderights,
>>>>> and
>>>>> licensing issues are in the clear!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Werner Punz
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>
>>>> further stuff:
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>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
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>>>>
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>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> further stuff:
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
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>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
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Re: legal questsion
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Craig L Russell
> <Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
>> I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other
>> question is
>> whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution.
>
> yes, they will. Already kind of an agreement about that on dev@m.a.o.
Great, then it's just paperwork now.
Craig
>
>
> -M
>
>>
>> The process at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html
>> seems to
>> fit the need here. There is a minimum of "e-paperwork" to do: just
>> requires
>> the myfaces PMC to request and the Incubator PMC to accept it.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I wouldn't call it "legal issue". It's more a question what to do
>>> with
>>> the contribution,
>>> since it was developed "offline".
>>>
>>> I personally think that a software grant for this offer should be
>>> fine.
>>> Main reason is, that the original author is already part of the
>>> myfaces community.
>>>
>>> -Matthias
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Werner Punz
>>> <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has
>>>> pointed
>>>> me
>>>> towards here a legal question.
>>>> I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource
>>>> software a
>>>> significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license.
>>>> It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library.
>>>> Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me.
>>>> I have committer rights to myfaces.
>>>>
>>>> The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as
>>>> separate
>>>> myfaces subproject.
>>>>
>>>> The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just
>>>> be
>>>> merged
>>>> in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed
>>>> upfront.
>>>> The
>>>> code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the
>>>> coderights, and
>>>> licensing issues are in the clear!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Werner Punz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>
>>> further stuff:
>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>>>
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>>>
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/
>> jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>
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Craig L Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: legal questsion
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Craig L Russell <Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
> I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other question is
> whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution.
yes, they will. Already kind of an agreement about that on dev@m.a.o.
-M
>
> The process at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html seems to
> fit the need here. There is a minimum of "e-paperwork" to do: just requires
> the myfaces PMC to request and the Incubator PMC to accept it.
>
> Craig
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wouldn't call it "legal issue". It's more a question what to do with
>> the contribution,
>> since it was developed "offline".
>>
>> I personally think that a software grant for this offer should be fine.
>> Main reason is, that the original author is already part of the
>> myfaces community.
>>
>> -Matthias
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has pointed
>>> me
>>> towards here a legal question.
>>> I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource
>>> software a
>>> significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license.
>>> It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library.
>>> Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me.
>>> I have committer rights to myfaces.
>>>
>>> The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as
>>> separate
>>> myfaces subproject.
>>>
>>> The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just be
>>> merged
>>> in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed upfront.
>>> The
>>> code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the coderights, and
>>> licensing issues are in the clear!
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Werner Punz
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> further stuff:
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>>
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>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
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Re: legal questsion
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other question
is whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution.
The process at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html
seems to fit the need here. There is a minimum of "e-paperwork" to do:
just requires the myfaces PMC to request and the Incubator PMC to
accept it.
Craig
On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wouldn't call it "legal issue". It's more a question what to do with
> the contribution,
> since it was developed "offline".
>
> I personally think that a software grant for this offer should be
> fine.
> Main reason is, that the original author is already part of the
> myfaces community.
>
> -Matthias
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has
>> pointed me
>> towards here a legal question.
>> I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource
>> software a
>> significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license.
>> It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library.
>> Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me.
>> I have committer rights to myfaces.
>>
>> The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as
>> separate
>> myfaces subproject.
>>
>> The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just
>> be merged
>> in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed
>> upfront. The
>> code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the coderights,
>> and
>> licensing issues are in the clear!
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Werner Punz
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
Craig L Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: legal questsion
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
Hi,
I wouldn't call it "legal issue". It's more a question what to do with
the contribution,
since it was developed "offline".
I personally think that a software grant for this offer should be fine.
Main reason is, that the original author is already part of the
myfaces community.
-Matthias
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has pointed me
> towards here a legal question.
> I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource software a
> significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license.
> It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library.
> Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me.
> I have committer rights to myfaces.
>
> The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as separate
> myfaces subproject.
>
> The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just be merged
> in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed upfront. The
> code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the coderights, and
> licensing issues are in the clear!
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Werner Punz
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
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sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
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Re: legal questsion
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com>.
On Jul 7, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Werner Punz wrote:
> Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has
> pointed me towards here a legal question.
> I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource
> software a significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license.
> It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library.
> Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me.
> I have committer rights to myfaces.
>
> The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as
> separate myfaces subproject.
>
> The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just
> be merged in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be
> performed upfront. The code was developed outside of the myfaces
> repo, but the coderights, and licensing issues are in the clear!
As far as Apache is concerned, if you wrote the software and know you
have a
right to license it to the ASF, then your existing CLA is sufficient
-- you
can just commit the code. Since you wrote it during "working
time" (which I
assume means that you were working for hire), then it is in your best
interests to have the employer sign a software grant for this work.
Whether
or not that is necessary depends on your employment contract and locale.
I take it that German copyright laws would apply in this instance, so
you
are in a better position to determine your rights than we are. If
you do
decide to just commit the code, then be sure to explain the copyright
rationale in the commit log.
The license is to the ASF as a whole, so where it is placed within
myfaces doesn't matter for the legal terms (that should be decided
by the myfaces PMC).
....Roy
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