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Posted to users@tomcat.apache.org by Yan Lin <ya...@yahoo.com> on 2004/02/19 18:20:51 UTC
Apache/Tomcat/Struts Certification Proposal
Hi,
I am not sure if anyone has thought of this. From my
research, I don't think it's possible for anyone to
get certified on Apache products at this point. But
since there are so many companies looking for people
with these kind of skills, it would be nice to have an
recognized entity like Apache Foundation to help the
companies in determining who is the best candidate.
For example, I have been working on a lot of projects
with Tomcat and Struts, but without a certification,
it's kind of hard to convince employers that I have
solid work experience in these areas, especially when
the potential employers are not that technical. I
know there are other ways you can show your skills(I
have project on sourceforge), but when facing a pile
of resume, no one is going to open up a browser
window....
Maybe I am dreaming of San Francisco beach again this
morning, but anyone agrees with me that this is
something that we need?
Thanks!
-Yan
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RE: Apache/Tomcat/Struts Certification Proposal
Posted by Yansheng Lin <ya...@silvacom.com>.
I just thought it would help people with real knowledge to stand out and have a
better chance. It's just not fair for people with better understanding of the
software(I believe you can get a IIS certification, why not Apache). And it
would help the Apache Foundation as well. With the money they get from people
taking the exams, they can have way better support as a whole. After all,
software programming is not only about working in front of a computer all day
anymore.
The real challenge is how the whole process can be administrated. Ah, I don't
think it's possible anyways with current open source development structure. But
just thought it would be an interesting idea.
-Yan
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hardy [mailto:ahardy.struts@cyberspaceroad.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:35 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Apache/Tomcat/Struts Certification Proposal
FWIW, I think certification is a waste in terms of the amount of
learning that it forces on the developer.
Perhaps in many cases it does help the recruiter, but firstly I think
that recruiters who need to see certification of something in an IT
candidate are not doing their job properly, and secondly I think the
whole process is a waste of resources, siphoning off money and time from
people who usually have better things to do.
So please, no to Apache certifications!
Adam
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Linux 2.4.20 Debian
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Re: Apache/Tomcat/Struts Certification Proposal
Posted by Adam Hardy <ah...@cyberspaceroad.com>.
On 02/19/2004 06:20 PM Yan Lin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not sure if anyone has thought of this. From my
> research, I don't think it's possible for anyone to
> get certified on Apache products at this point. But
> since there are so many companies looking for people
> with these kind of skills, it would be nice to have an
> recognized entity like Apache Foundation to help the
> companies in determining who is the best candidate.
>
> For example, I have been working on a lot of projects
> with Tomcat and Struts, but without a certification,
> it's kind of hard to convince employers that I have
> solid work experience in these areas, especially when
> the potential employers are not that technical. I
> know there are other ways you can show your skills(I
> have project on sourceforge), but when facing a pile
> of resume, no one is going to open up a browser
> window....
>
> Maybe I am dreaming of San Francisco beach again this
> morning, but anyone agrees with me that this is
> something that we need?
FWIW, I think certification is a waste in terms of the amount of
learning that it forces on the developer.
Perhaps in many cases it does help the recruiter, but firstly I think
that recruiters who need to see certification of something in an IT
candidate are not doing their job properly, and secondly I think the
whole process is a waste of resources, siphoning off money and time from
people who usually have better things to do.
So please, no to Apache certifications!
Adam
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struts 1.1 + tomcat 5.0.16 + java 1.4.2
Linux 2.4.20 Debian
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