women-subscribe@ working correctly?

["Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>]

susan wu wrote:

> On another note, it appears that the brief bios are now getting stripped 
> from the emails we are receiving at women-subscribe@.  Can someone look 
> into this?

I just did a test and at least that message seems to have made it through.

One possibility might be that people are accustomed to sending empty 
emails to subscribe to lists and are forgetting to add the "brief 
sentence or two describing who you are".

  -jean

Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?

[Ian Holsman <kr...@gmail.com>]

I sent a test subscribe message from another email alias to see what
kind of message you get.
this should help you figure out if it is the bot, or the person.

regards
Ian

On 8/21/05, Jean T. Anderson <jt...@bristowhill.com> wrote:
> susan wu wrote:
> 
> > On another note, it appears that the brief bios are now getting stripped
> > from the emails we are receiving at women-subscribe@.  Can someone look
> > into this?
> 
> I just did a test and at least that message seems to have made it through.
> 
> One possibility might be that people are accustomed to sending empty
> emails to subscribe to lists and are forgetting to add the "brief
> sentence or two describing who you are".
> 
>   -jean
> 
> 


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Re: Practice of welcoming new subscribers (was Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?)

[Danese Cooper <da...@gmail.com>]

Agreed...(with the "once the blast bit").  Clearly we are getting too  
many requests for the personal touch with all of them.

Danese

On Aug 23, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:

> David Crossley wrote:
>
>> Danese Cooper wrote:
>>
>>
>
> ... snipped out excellent ratification of the desirability of  
> announcing new members ....
>
>
>>> I suspect the practice is grating right now because of the blur  
>>> of  names going by. We are getting so many new subscribers that  
>>> the  effect is somewhat lost....and we've not discussed  
>>> implementing the  rest of the practice yet.  I certainly  
>>> understand that new  subscribers might need to be advised of the  
>>> practice (in case as  David Crossley is suggesting they want  
>>> their email address to be  private).
>>>
>> That was only a secondary concern.
>> My real issue is that these people were sending a message
>> to a list-subscription mechanism. Normally at ASF our
>> mechanism does not pass on any information to the actual list.
>> So this might surprise and confuse.
>>
>
> I agree with David that we should be careful about posting what we  
> receive in the subscription request. I've been checking with  
> subscribers before posting their information -- and this is time  
> consuming and is somewhat confusing to keep untangled because quite  
> a few requests are in the moderation queue.
>
> I really like how some have posted their own bio -- Kathey last  
> night, David today, and Susan just a little while ago.
>
> What if we acknowledge the new subscribers (minus email addresses)  
> -- then encourage each to post his/her own introduction?
>
> Once the "blast" of subscriptions settles down we could always  
> revisit this.
>
>  -jean
>
>
>

Re: Practice of welcoming new subscribers (was Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?)

["Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>]

David Crossley wrote:
> Danese Cooper wrote:
>

... snipped out excellent ratification of the desirability of announcing 
new members ....

>>I suspect the practice is grating right now because of the blur of  
>>names going by. We are getting so many new subscribers that the  
>>effect is somewhat lost....and we've not discussed implementing the  
>>rest of the practice yet.  I certainly understand that new  
>>subscribers might need to be advised of the practice (in case as  
>>David Crossley is suggesting they want their email address to be  
>>private).
> 
> 
> That was only a secondary concern.
> 
> My real issue is that these people were sending a message
> to a list-subscription mechanism. Normally at ASF our
> mechanism does not pass on any information to the actual list.
> So this might surprise and confuse.

I agree with David that we should be careful about posting what we 
receive in the subscription request. I've been checking with subscribers 
before posting their information -- and this is time consuming and is 
somewhat confusing to keep untangled because quite a few requests are in 
the moderation queue.

I really like how some have posted their own bio -- Kathey last night, 
David today, and Susan just a little while ago.

What if we acknowledge the new subscribers (minus email addresses) -- 
then encourage each to post his/her own introduction?

Once the "blast" of subscriptions settles down we could always revisit this.

  -jean

Re: Practice of welcoming new subscribers (was Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?)

[David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>]

Danese Cooper wrote:
> Before you all answer on the question of annoucing new members, let  
> me say that this is one of the practices that the Debian-Women use on  
> their list that is distinctly different from the way other Debian  
> lists are run.
> 
> They do it as part of a larger practice of making their list feel  
> more welcoming, and of hooking new subscribers up to mentors as soon  
> as possible.  If a new person walked into a physical meeting you were  
> having in your living room, you would stop and greet them, wouldn't you?

No doubts about the value of that.

> I suspect the practice is grating right now because of the blur of  
> names going by. We are getting so many new subscribers that the  
> effect is somewhat lost....and we've not discussed implementing the  
> rest of the practice yet.  I certainly understand that new  
> subscribers might need to be advised of the practice (in case as  
> David Crossley is suggesting they want their email address to be  
> private).

That was only a secondary concern.

My real issue is that these people were sending a message
to a list-subscription mechanism. Normally at ASF our
mechanism does not pass on any information to the actual list.
So this might surprise and confuse.

-David

Re: Practice of welcoming new subscribers (was Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?)

[Danese Cooper <da...@gmail.com>]

Before you all answer on the question of annoucing new members, let  
me say that this is one of the practices that the Debian-Women use on  
their list that is distinctly different from the way other Debian  
lists are run.

They do it as part of a larger practice of making their list feel  
more welcoming, and of hooking new subscribers up to mentors as soon  
as possible.  If a new person walked into a physical meeting you were  
having in your living room, you would stop and greet them, wouldn't you?

I suspect the practice is grating right now because of the blur of  
names going by. We are getting so many new subscribers that the  
effect is somewhat lost....and we've not discussed implementing the  
rest of the practice yet.  I certainly understand that new  
subscribers might need to be advised of the practice (in case as  
David Crossley is suggesting they want their email address to be  
private).

Danese

On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:

> David Crossley wrote:
>
>> Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> susan wu wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> One possibility might be that people are accustomed to sending  
>>>>> empty emails to subscribe to lists and are forgetting to add  
>>>>> the "brief sentence or two describing who you are".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The last two people I subbed did include bios with their  
>>>> subscribe emails - and the bios unfortunately never made it  
>>>> through.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Some email message text makes it and some simply does not.  
>>> Unfortunately, I'm not savvy enough about mail and ezmlm to  
>>> troubleshoot this. I suggest that we continue to personally  
>>> contact people like we have been.
>>>
>> I think that it is not good ettiquette for the moderators
>> to pass on information to the public that was sent in
>> a private request. Also exposing their email addresses
>> is not a good idea.
>>
>
> I agree about the email address -- don't see where that happened  
> but I'll certainly pay attention.
>
> For those of you who have recently subscribed, how do you feel  
> about this practice of welcoming subscribers and including the  
> brief description you included as part of the subscription?
>
> would you like to see this changed?
>
> regards,
>
>  -jean
>
>

Re: Practice of welcoming new subscribers (was Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?)

["Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>]

liz baron wrote:
> Jean,
> 
> I think it is a great idea to include the bio of a new subscriber, of
> course, with their permission.  The idea of this list, I gather, is
> to increase participation, and knowing who is on the list can help.
> 
> Just my two cents,
> Liz
>

I also think it's terrific. It's the perfect way to keep a list from 
becoming anonymous.

It's also important for anyone to feel free to raise a concern, such as 
the one David mentioned.

  -jean


> --- "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>David Crossley wrote:
>>
>>>Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>susan wu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>One possibility might be that people are accustomed to sending
>>
>>empty 
>>
>>>>>>emails to subscribe to lists and are forgetting to add the
>>
>>"brief 
>>
>>>>>>sentence or two describing who you are".
>>>>>
>>>>>The last two people I subbed did include bios with their
>>
>>subscribe 
>>
>>>>>emails - and the bios unfortunately never made it through.
>>>>
>>>>Some email message text makes it and some simply does not. 
>>>>Unfortunately, I'm not savvy enough about mail and ezmlm to
>>
>>troubleshoot 
>>
>>>>this. I suggest that we continue to personally contact people
>>
>>like we 
>>
>>>>have been.
>>>
>>>
>>>I think that it is not good ettiquette for the moderators
>>>to pass on information to the public that was sent in
>>>a private request. Also exposing their email addresses
>>>is not a good idea.
>>
>>I agree about the email address -- don't see where that happened
>>but 
>>I'll certainly pay attention.
>>
>>For those of you who have recently subscribed, how do you feel
>>about 
>>this practice of welcoming subscribers and including the brief 
>>description you included as part of the subscription?
>>
>>would you like to see this changed?
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>  -jean
>>
>>
> 
> 
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Re: Practice of welcoming new subscribers (was Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?)

[liz baron <li...@yahoo.com>]

Jean,

I think it is a great idea to include the bio of a new subscriber, of
course, with their permission.  The idea of this list, I gather, is
to increase participation, and knowing who is on the list can help.

Just my two cents,
Liz

--- "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com> wrote:

> David Crossley wrote:
> > Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> > 
> >>susan wu wrote:
> >>
> >>>>One possibility might be that people are accustomed to sending
> empty 
> >>>>emails to subscribe to lists and are forgetting to add the
> "brief 
> >>>>sentence or two describing who you are".
> >>>
> >>>The last two people I subbed did include bios with their
> subscribe 
> >>>emails - and the bios unfortunately never made it through.
> >>
> >>Some email message text makes it and some simply does not. 
> >>Unfortunately, I'm not savvy enough about mail and ezmlm to
> troubleshoot 
> >>this. I suggest that we continue to personally contact people
> like we 
> >>have been.
> > 
> > 
> > I think that it is not good ettiquette for the moderators
> > to pass on information to the public that was sent in
> > a private request. Also exposing their email addresses
> > is not a good idea.
> 
> I agree about the email address -- don't see where that happened
> but 
> I'll certainly pay attention.
> 
> For those of you who have recently subscribed, how do you feel
> about 
> this practice of welcoming subscribers and including the brief 
> description you included as part of the subscription?
> 
> would you like to see this changed?
> 
> regards,
> 
>   -jean
> 
> 

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Practice of welcoming new subscribers (was Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?)

["Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>]

David Crossley wrote:
> Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> 
>>susan wu wrote:
>>
>>>>One possibility might be that people are accustomed to sending empty 
>>>>emails to subscribe to lists and are forgetting to add the "brief 
>>>>sentence or two describing who you are".
>>>
>>>The last two people I subbed did include bios with their subscribe 
>>>emails - and the bios unfortunately never made it through.
>>
>>Some email message text makes it and some simply does not. 
>>Unfortunately, I'm not savvy enough about mail and ezmlm to troubleshoot 
>>this. I suggest that we continue to personally contact people like we 
>>have been.
> 
> 
> I think that it is not good ettiquette for the moderators
> to pass on information to the public that was sent in
> a private request. Also exposing their email addresses
> is not a good idea.

I agree about the email address -- don't see where that happened but 
I'll certainly pay attention.

For those of you who have recently subscribed, how do you feel about 
this practice of welcoming subscribers and including the brief 
description you included as part of the subscription?

would you like to see this changed?

regards,

  -jean

Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?

[David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>]

Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> susan wu wrote:
> >
> >>One possibility might be that people are accustomed to sending empty 
> >>emails to subscribe to lists and are forgetting to add the "brief 
> >>sentence or two describing who you are".
> >
> >The last two people I subbed did include bios with their subscribe 
> >emails - and the bios unfortunately never made it through.
> 
> Some email message text makes it and some simply does not. 
> Unfortunately, I'm not savvy enough about mail and ezmlm to troubleshoot 
> this. I suggest that we continue to personally contact people like we 
> have been.

I think that it is not good ettiquette for the moderators
to pass on information to the public that was sent in
a private request. Also exposing their email addresses
is not a good idea.

-David

Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?

["Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>]

susan wu wrote:
> 
>> One possibility might be that people are accustomed to sending empty 
>> emails to subscribe to lists and are forgetting to add the "brief 
>> sentence or two describing who you are".
> 
> 
> The last two people I subbed did include bios with their subscribe 
> emails - and the bios unfortunately never made it through.

Some email message text makes it and some simply does not. 
Unfortunately, I'm not savvy enough about mail and ezmlm to troubleshoot 
this. I suggest that we continue to personally contact people like we 
have been.

  -jean

Re: women-subscribe@ working correctly?

[susan wu <su...@arctic.org>]

>
> One possibility might be that people are accustomed to sending empty emails 
> to subscribe to lists and are forgetting to add the "brief sentence or two 
> describing who you are".

The last two people I subbed did include bios with their subscribe emails 
- and the bios unfortunately never made it through.