[VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Jochen Kemnade <ke...@gmail.com>]

There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with
Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release.
Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009.
While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be
some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5.
Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5
anymore.
The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the
minimum required Java version to 1.6.

Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)

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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>]

Can other PMC members please weigh in here. Jochen, no reason to close the
vote till you have a binding majority decision either way.

Kalle


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Kristian Marinkovic <
kristian.marinkovic@gmail.com> wrote:

> Kristian Mairnkovic: +1 (non-binding)
>
> i don't see any reason not to raise the minimun requirement to 1.6. i've to
> admit most of my Tapestry apps run on Java 1.6. anyways.
>
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob Harner: +1 (non-binding)
> > On May 18, 2014 1:05 PM, "Jochen Kemnade" <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with
> > > Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release.
> > > Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009.
> > > While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be
> > > some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5.
> > > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5
> > > anymore.
> > > The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the
> > > minimum required Java version to 1.6.
> > >
> > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)
> > >
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Kristian Marinkovic <kr...@gmail.com>]

Kristian Mairnkovic: +1 (non-binding)

i don't see any reason not to raise the minimun requirement to 1.6. i've to
admit most of my Tapestry apps run on Java 1.6. anyways.


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob Harner: +1 (non-binding)
> On May 18, 2014 1:05 PM, "Jochen Kemnade" <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with
> > Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release.
> > Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009.
> > While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be
> > some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5.
> > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5
> > anymore.
> > The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the
> > minimum required Java version to 1.6.
> >
> > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)
> >
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>]

Bob Harner: +1 (non-binding)
On May 18, 2014 1:05 PM, "Jochen Kemnade" <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with
> Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release.
> Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009.
> While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be
> some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5.
> Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5
> anymore.
> The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the
> minimum required Java version to 1.6.
>
> Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)
>
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>]

Kalle Korhonen: +1 (non-binding)


On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Jochen Kemnade <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with
> Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release.
> Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009.
> While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be
> some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5.
> Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5
> anymore.
> The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the
> minimum required Java version to 1.6.
>
> Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)
>
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com>]

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Jochen Kemnade <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:

There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with
> Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release.
> Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009.
> While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be
> some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5.
> Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5
> anymore.
> The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the
> minimum required Java version to 1.6.
>
> Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)
>
>
Massimo Lusetti: +0 (binding)

I'm taking the arguments of new libraries versions and EOSL of Java5 but I
actually don't see any benefit from this so "I'm okay with this but I don't
feel strongly"

I would like to see an upgrade to Java8, maybe this will be for 5.5

Cheers

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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Lance Java <la...@googlemail.com>]

Lance Semmens +0 (non-binding)

I can't really see much benefit but I won't stand in the way.
 On 18 May 2014 18:05, "Jochen Kemnade" <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with
> Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release.
> Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009.
> While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be
> some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5.
> Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5
> anymore.
> The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the
> minimum required Java version to 1.6.
>
> Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)
>
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Andreas Ernst <ae...@ae-online.de>]

Andreas Ernst: +1 (non-binding)

Am 18.05.14 18:29, schrieb Jochen Kemnade:
> There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with
> Java 5 for the upcoming 5.4 release.
> Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009.
> While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much benefits, there might be
> some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5.
> Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5
> anymore.
> The vote will run for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the
> minimum required Java version to 1.6.
>
> Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)
>
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>]

Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo: +1 (binding)

Again, I only see a Java 8 T5.5 if it's a separate JAR.

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Re: [SUCCESS] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Jochen Kemnade <jo...@eddyson.de>]

Hi,

Am 22.05.2014 21:52, schrieb Jochen Kemnade:
> Do we want to remove things like JDKUtils completely?

We could also use it to refuse startup on Java 1.5 altogether. I think 
that's better than failing with an UnsupportedClassVersionError later on.

Jochen

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[SUCCESS] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Jochen Kemnade <ke...@gmail.com>]

Binding votes:

Howard M. Lewis Ship: +1
Massimo Lusetti: +0
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo: +1
Ulrich Stärk: +0
Andreas Andreou: +1

Non-binding votes:

Kalle Korhonen: +1
Andreas Ernst: +1
Lance Semmens: +0
Bob Harner: +1
Kristian Mairnkovic: +1
Jochen Kemnade: +1

I'll make some changes tomorrow if nobody else does before me.
I'll probably also add @Overrides all over the place so those don't
sneak in gradually and pollute other commits.
Do we want to remove things like JDKUtils completely?

Jochen

Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Jochen Kemnade <ke...@gmail.com>]

Am 22.05.2014 21:30, schrieb Andreas Andreou:
> Andreas Andreou: +1 (binding)

Phew, thanks, that makes it easier. :-)

Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Andreas Andreou <an...@gmail.com>]

Andreas Andreou: +1 (binding)

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right, that's the principle but not a strict requirement. I don't want us
> to get stuck with procedural issues. Voting is supposed to help us with
> coding, not prevent it. We don't vote on all code changes and in this case,
> we wanted to ask the community's opinion and it looks we have it. We can go
> by the lazy-consensus as well, I see that Thiago just copied the paragraph
> in his email.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Jochen Kemnade <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought that only PMC members can cast binding votes, so, if none of the
>> others vote +1, the vote will eventually fail?
>>



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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>]

Right, that's the principle but not a strict requirement. I don't want us
to get stuck with procedural issues. Voting is supposed to help us with
coding, not prevent it. We don't vote on all code changes and in this case,
we wanted to ask the community's opinion and it looks we have it. We can go
by the lazy-consensus as well, I see that Thiago just copied the paragraph
in his email.

Kalle


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Jochen Kemnade <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought that only PMC members can cast binding votes, so, if none of the
> others vote +1, the vote will eventually fail?
>

Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>]

On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:58:09 -0300, Jochen Kemnade <ke...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> I thought that only PMC members can cast binding votes,

That's correct.

> so, if none of the others vote +1, the vote will eventually fail?

I guess lazy consensus apply here. If I'm correct, the answer is no, it  
won't fail. From http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html:

"Votes on code modifications follow a different model. In this scenario, a  
negative vote constitutes a veto , which cannot be overridden. Again, this  
model may be modified by a lazy consensus declaration when the request for  
a vote is raised, but the full-stop nature of a negative vote is  
unchanged. Under normal (non-lazy consensus) conditions, the proposal  
requires three positive votes and no negative ones in order to pass; if it  
fails to garner the requisite amount of support, it doesn't -- and  
typically is either withdrawn, modified, or simply allowed to languish as  
an open issue until someone gets around to removing it."

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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Jochen Kemnade <ke...@gmail.com>]

I thought that only PMC members can cast binding votes, so, if none of the
others vote +1, the vote will eventually fail?

Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>]

To get on with this, Jochen please change your vote to binding and close
the vote as successful. We don't want to be paralyzed by non-voting when
there are no votes against.

Kalle


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Howard M. Lewis Ship: +1 (binding)
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de> wrote:
>
> > Ulrich Stärk: +0 (binding)
> >
> > For the same reasons as stated before.
> >
> > On 2014-05-18 18:29, Jochen Kemnade wrote:
> > > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with
> > Java 5 for the upcoming
> > > 5.4 release. Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. While requiring Java 6
> > would not bring us much
> > > benefits, there might be some libraries that we cannot use because they
> > do not support Java 5.
> > > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5
> > anymore. The vote will run
> > > for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the minimum required
> > Java version to 1.6.
> > >
> > > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>]

Howard M. Lewis Ship: +1 (binding)


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de> wrote:

> Ulrich Stärk: +0 (binding)
>
> For the same reasons as stated before.
>
> On 2014-05-18 18:29, Jochen Kemnade wrote:
> > There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with
> Java 5 for the upcoming
> > 5.4 release. Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. While requiring Java 6
> would not bring us much
> > benefits, there might be some libraries that we cannot use because they
> do not support Java 5.
> > Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5
> anymore. The vote will run
> > for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the minimum required
> Java version to 1.6.
> >
> > Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Java 5 in Tapestry 5.4 (2nd attempt)

[Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>]

Ulrich Stärk: +0 (binding)

For the same reasons as stated before.

On 2014-05-18 18:29, Jochen Kemnade wrote:
> There have been discussions whether we want to keep compatibility with Java 5 for the upcoming
> 5.4 release. Java 5 is EOSL since October 2009. While requiring Java 6 would not bring us much
> benefits, there might be some libraries that we cannot use because they do not support Java 5. 
> Also, we'd spare ourselves some efforts not having to support Java 5 anymore. The vote will run
> for 3 days and, if it succeeds, I will increase the minimum required Java version to 1.6.
> 
> Jochen Kemnade: +1 (non-binding)
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