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Posted to dev@madlib.apache.org by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> on 2016/06/03 00:21:08 UTC
Re: MADLib "contributors"
Changing private -> dev.
Correct. But credit needs to be given where credit is due. I'm actually
in the middle of a very similar discussion here at AMPlab with Spark
folks. Now that they acknowledged that all ongoing contributions should
be credited according to the Apache Way, they are asking a fair question:
how can they cite work that happened in Spark prior to entering ASF.
It is easier for projects like Gemfire, where all prior history remained with
the old name. It is more difficult for MADlib and Spark and a host of others.
In short, I agree with Jim observations that the page needs to be clarified,
but it needs to be clarified in a much more thoughtful way so that we
acknowledge past history of the project.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> Part of the incubation process is to fully embrace the tenets of the
> Apache Way; considering that MADlib started in Sept 2015 and it is
> now June 2016, I would have expected that the page would have been
> changed awhile ago. It does beg the question on whether or not
> MADlib itself fully groks how important this issue is, allowing the
> page to continue as-is for so long...
>
>
>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Gregory Chase <gc...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>
>> In MADlib's history, contribution was enabled by institutions prior to
>> coming to Apache. However, I agree that this needs to be "historical" not
>> "current.
>>
>> -Greg
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking at:
>>>
>>> http://madlib.incubator.apache.org/community.html
>>>
>>> I am not sure I like the statement that:
>>>
>>> "including both individuals and institutions. Amongst our current
>>> contributors:"
>>>
>>> and then a list of entities.
>>>
>>> There are only individuals who contribute. Not institutions. In other
>>> words, Pivotal is not a "contributor"... nor is ANY institution.
>>>
>>> Please fix this. Thx!
>>>
>>> PS: I am not on the private@madlib list
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Greg Chase
>>
>> Global Head, Big Data Communities
>> http://www.pivotal.io/big-data
>>
>> Pivotal Software
>> http://www.pivotal.io/
>>
>> 650-215-0477
>> @GregChase
>> Blog: http://geekmarketing.biz/
>
Re: MADLib "contributors"
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
A "History" page seems like the perfect solution...
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>
> Changing private -> dev.
>
> Correct. But credit needs to be given where credit is due. I'm actually
> in the middle of a very similar discussion here at AMPlab with Spark
> folks. Now that they acknowledged that all ongoing contributions should
> be credited according to the Apache Way, they are asking a fair question:
> how can they cite work that happened in Spark prior to entering ASF.
>
> It is easier for projects like Gemfire, where all prior history remained with
> the old name. It is more difficult for MADlib and Spark and a host of others.
>
> In short, I agree with Jim observations that the page needs to be clarified,
> but it needs to be clarified in a much more thoughtful way so that we
> acknowledge past history of the project.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>> Part of the incubation process is to fully embrace the tenets of the
>> Apache Way; considering that MADlib started in Sept 2015 and it is
>> now June 2016, I would have expected that the page would have been
>> changed awhile ago. It does beg the question on whether or not
>> MADlib itself fully groks how important this issue is, allowing the
>> page to continue as-is for so long...
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Gregory Chase <gc...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> In MADlib's history, contribution was enabled by institutions prior to
>>> coming to Apache. However, I agree that this needs to be "historical" not
>>> "current.
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looking at:
>>>>
>>>> http://madlib.incubator.apache.org/community.html
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure I like the statement that:
>>>>
>>>> "including both individuals and institutions. Amongst our current
>>>> contributors:"
>>>>
>>>> and then a list of entities.
>>>>
>>>> There are only individuals who contribute. Not institutions. In other
>>>> words, Pivotal is not a "contributor"... nor is ANY institution.
>>>>
>>>> Please fix this. Thx!
>>>>
>>>> PS: I am not on the private@madlib list
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Greg Chase
>>>
>>> Global Head, Big Data Communities
>>> http://www.pivotal.io/big-data
>>>
>>> Pivotal Software
>>> http://www.pivotal.io/
>>>
>>> 650-215-0477
>>> @GregChase
>>> Blog: http://geekmarketing.biz/
>>
>
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Re: MADLib "contributors"
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
A "History" page seems like the perfect solution...
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>
> Changing private -> dev.
>
> Correct. But credit needs to be given where credit is due. I'm actually
> in the middle of a very similar discussion here at AMPlab with Spark
> folks. Now that they acknowledged that all ongoing contributions should
> be credited according to the Apache Way, they are asking a fair question:
> how can they cite work that happened in Spark prior to entering ASF.
>
> It is easier for projects like Gemfire, where all prior history remained with
> the old name. It is more difficult for MADlib and Spark and a host of others.
>
> In short, I agree with Jim observations that the page needs to be clarified,
> but it needs to be clarified in a much more thoughtful way so that we
> acknowledge past history of the project.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>> Part of the incubation process is to fully embrace the tenets of the
>> Apache Way; considering that MADlib started in Sept 2015 and it is
>> now June 2016, I would have expected that the page would have been
>> changed awhile ago. It does beg the question on whether or not
>> MADlib itself fully groks how important this issue is, allowing the
>> page to continue as-is for so long...
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Gregory Chase <gc...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> In MADlib's history, contribution was enabled by institutions prior to
>>> coming to Apache. However, I agree that this needs to be "historical" not
>>> "current.
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looking at:
>>>>
>>>> http://madlib.incubator.apache.org/community.html
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure I like the statement that:
>>>>
>>>> "including both individuals and institutions. Amongst our current
>>>> contributors:"
>>>>
>>>> and then a list of entities.
>>>>
>>>> There are only individuals who contribute. Not institutions. In other
>>>> words, Pivotal is not a "contributor"... nor is ANY institution.
>>>>
>>>> Please fix this. Thx!
>>>>
>>>> PS: I am not on the private@madlib list
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Greg Chase
>>>
>>> Global Head, Big Data Communities
>>> http://www.pivotal.io/big-data
>>>
>>> Pivotal Software
>>> http://www.pivotal.io/
>>>
>>> 650-215-0477
>>> @GregChase
>>> Blog: http://geekmarketing.biz/
>>
>
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