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Re: FOP-ComplexScript (connectivity, direction and fonts of Arabic)
Hallo Adams,
Thanks for the feedback. I have inbetween repeat the test and found
that the most troubles were occured because of using the font metrics
files and referencing the same fonts in a specified directory at the
same time.
Now i can use the supported fonts, the Base-14 Fonts and the Arabeyes
Fonts without need to use “Free Ressam”.
[FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731.fo]
[FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731.pdf]
Only the Base-14 Fonts seem not to support the vowel signs.
[FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731_vowel-sings.fo]
[FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731_vowel-sings.pdf]
Another problem I've found (only applies to Scheherazade and Lateef):
When I open the created PDF file using Adobe Acrobat Reader, copy the
text to the clipboard and then insert it, for example, into a Word
document, I do not get the original text.
[FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731_reimport-text.fo]
[FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731_reimport-text.pdf]
[FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731_reimport-text-result.pdf]
I use the fop-ComplexScripts-20110615. My OS is a Microsoft Windows
XP Home Edition, 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3, Build 2600 (DE).
Regards,
Maher Qais
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: FOP-ComplexScript (connectivity, direction and fonts of
Arabic)
Datum: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 04:11:26 GMT
Von: Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com>
Hello Qais,
Thanks for taking some time to test out the complex script features being
developed for FOP.
To help address these issues, could you:
(1) provide input FO test files showing the specific problems you have
found? it is best if each test file contains the minimum needed to
demonstrate the problem;
(2) indicate which complex script build you are using? fyi, the latest work
is available at http://github.com/skynavga/fop;
Regarding connectivity, shape selection, kerning, point placement, etc.,
keep in mind that FOP doesn't do anything special other than implement the
substitutions and positioning operations defined in the OpenType GSUB/GPOS
tables. I'm not certain if the Arabeyes or other fonts you have tried
support these tables. If they do, then there may be a bug in the new TTF/OTF
parsing of this table data.
In any case, if you provide some additional input as requested above, I'm
sure we can resolve this matter soon. Also, if you haven't already seen it,
please take a look at the documentation and active tickets found at
http://skynav.trac.cvsdude.com/fop.
Regards,
Glenn Adams
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Qais<m....@gmx.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Since a week I am working closely with FOP, Cocoon and Co, especially with
> the Complex Script (connectivity, direction and fonts of Arabic). Below is
> the result.
>
> Testing the Complex Script of FOP (27.07.2011)
>
> 1) Supported Fonts by the Complex Script:
>
> 1.1) Automatically registered:
> Arial Unicode MS, Lateef and Scheherazade in a fo:block: connectivity: ok,
> direction: ok.
> Arial Unicode MS, Lateef and Scheherazade in a fo:block-container, fo:table
> or fo:list-block: connectivity: none, direction: ok.
>
> 1.2) Using font metrics:
> Arial Unicode MS and Traditional Arabic in a fo:block, fo:block-container,
> fo:table or fo:list-block: connectivity: none, direction: ok.
> Simplified Arabic in a fo:block, fo:block-container, fo:table or
> fo:list-block: connectivity: none, direction: ok, glyphs: partially.
> Lateef and Scheherazade in a fo:block, fo:block-container, fo:table or
> fo:list-block: glyphs: none.
>
> 2) Base-14 Fonts:
>
> 2.1) Automatically registered:
> Arial, Times New Roman, Courier New and Tahoma in a fo:block: connectivity:
> ok, direction: ok.
> Arial, Times New Roman, Courier New and Tahoma in a fo:block-container,
> fo:table or fo:list-block: connectivity: none, direction: ok.
>
> 3) Arabeyes Fonts:
> www.arabeyes.org
>
> 3.1) Automatically registered:
> KacstArt, KacstBook, KacstDecorative, KacstDigital, KacstFarsi,
> KacstLetter, KacstNaskh, KacstOffice, KacstOne, KacstPoster,
> KacstScreen, KacstTitle, KacstTitleL and Thabit in a fo:block,
> fo:block-container, fo:table or fo:list-block: connectivity: none,
> direction: ok.
>
> 3.2) Using font metrics:
> KacstArt, KacstBook, KacstDecorative, KacstDigital, KacstFarsi,
> KacstLetter, KacstNaskh, KacstOffice, KacstOne, KacstPoster,
> KacstScreen, KacstTitle, KacstTitleL and Thabit in a fo:block,
> fo:block-container, fo:table or fo:list-block: connectivity: none,
> direction: ok.
>
> 4) Other Fonts:
>
> 4.1) Automatically registered:
> Advertising Light, Advertising Bold, Advertising Extra Bold and Bassam
> Ostorah in a fo:block, fo:block-container, fo:table or fo:list-block:
> glyphs: none.
>
> 4.2) Using font metrics:
> Advertising Light, Advertising Bold, Advertising Extra Bold and Bassam
> Ostorah in a fo:block, fo:block-container, fo:table or fo:list-block:
> connectivity: none, direction: ok.
>
> 5) Connectivity and Direction Problem:
>
> A small tool called Free Ressam can be used to pre adjust connectivity and
> direction of the text parts. This
> is of course not the accurate solution, especially dealing with long texts,
> but the tool might give an idea about
> the necesarry logic. Free Ressam was developed to adjust connectivity and
> direction of arabic text by using of
> some programs that don't properly support the display of arabic text, such
> as older versions of Photoshop.
>
> Maher
>
>
>
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Re: FOP-ComplexScript (connectivity, direction and fonts of Arabic)
Posted by Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com>.
Thanks for the further update. In general, you should not be using font
metric files with FOP 1.0 or later.
Regarding Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New fonts, I have not
explicitly tested these for Arabic support, but I will look into it. Keep in
mind that the Complex Script support requires OpenType fonts to support
GDEF, GSUB, and GPOS to perform contextual substitution and mark (e.g.,
vowel sign) placement. So if the fonts you used do not have these tables,
then FOP CS will not produce the desired results.
The fonts for which I have tested FOP CS are listed at
http://skynav.trac.cvsdude.com/fop/wiki/SupportedFonts.
Regarding the problem you report with Scheherazade and Lateef, I'm aware of
this, and a ticket is already filed for it at
http://skynav.trac.cvsdude.com/fop/ticket/38.
Regards,
Glenn
2011/7/31 Maher Qais <m....@gmx.de>
> Hallo Adams,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I have inbetween repeat the test and found
> that the most troubles were occured because of using the font metrics
> files and referencing the same fonts in a specified directory at the
> same time.
>
> Now i can use the supported fonts, the Base-14 Fonts and the Arabeyes
> Fonts without need to use “Free Ressam”.
> [FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731.fo]
> [FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731.pdf]
>
> Only the Base-14 Fonts seem not to support the vowel signs.
> [FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731_vowel-sings.fo]
> [FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731_vowel-sings.pdf]
>
> Another problem I've found (only applies to Scheherazade and Lateef):
> When I open the created PDF file using Adobe Acrobat Reader, copy the
> text to the clipboard and then insert it, for example, into a Word
> document, I do not get the original text.
> [FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731_reimport-text.fo]
> [FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731_reimport-text.pdf]
> [FOP-ComplexScript_Test-20110731_reimport-text-result.pdf]
>
> I use the fop-ComplexScripts-20110615. My OS is a Microsoft Windows
> XP Home Edition, 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3, Build 2600 (DE).
>
> Regards,
> Maher Qais
>
>
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: FOP-ComplexScript
> (connectivity, direction and fonts of Arabic) Datum: Fri, 29 Jul 2011
> 04:11:26 GMT Von: Glenn Adams <gl...@skynav.com> <gl...@skynav.com>
>
>
> Hello Qais,
>
> Thanks for taking some time to test out the complex script features being
> developed for FOP.
>
> To help address these issues, could you:
>
> (1) provide input FO test files showing the specific problems you have
> found? it is best if each test file contains the minimum needed to
> demonstrate the problem;
>
> (2) indicate which complex script build you are using? fyi, the latest work
> is available at http://github.com/skynavga/fop;
>
> Regarding connectivity, shape selection, kerning, point placement, etc.,
> keep in mind that FOP doesn't do anything special other than implement the
> substitutions and positioning operations defined in the OpenType GSUB/GPOS
> tables. I'm not certain if the Arabeyes or other fonts you have tried
> support these tables. If they do, then there may be a bug in the new TTF/OTF
> parsing of this table data.
>
> In any case, if you provide some additional input as requested above, I'm
> sure we can resolve this matter soon. Also, if you haven't already seen it,
> please take a look at the documentation and active tickets found athttp://skynav.trac.cvsdude.com/fop.
>
> Regards,
> Glenn Adams
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Qais <m....@gmx.de> <m....@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Since a week I am working closely with FOP, Cocoon and Co, especially with
> > the Complex Script (connectivity, direction and fonts of Arabic). Below is
> > the result.
> >
> > Testing the Complex Script of FOP (27.07.2011)
> >
> > 1) Supported Fonts by the Complex Script:
> >
> > 1.1) Automatically registered:
> > Arial Unicode MS, Lateef and Scheherazade in a fo:block: connectivity: ok,
> > direction: ok.
> > Arial Unicode MS, Lateef and Scheherazade in a fo:block-container, fo:table
> > or fo:list-block: connectivity: none, direction: ok.
> >
> > 1.2) Using font metrics:
> > Arial Unicode MS and Traditional Arabic in a fo:block, fo:block-container,
> > fo:table or fo:list-block: connectivity: none, direction: ok.
> > Simplified Arabic in a fo:block, fo:block-container, fo:table or
> > fo:list-block: connectivity: none, direction: ok, glyphs: partially.
> > Lateef and Scheherazade in a fo:block, fo:block-container, fo:table or
> > fo:list-block: glyphs: none.
> >
> > 2) Base-14 Fonts:
> >
> > 2.1) Automatically registered:
> > Arial, Times New Roman, Courier New and Tahoma in a fo:block: connectivity:
> > ok, direction: ok.
> > Arial, Times New Roman, Courier New and Tahoma in a fo:block-container,
> > fo:table or fo:list-block: connectivity: none, direction: ok.
> >
> > 3) Arabeyes Fonts:
> > www.arabeyes.org
> >
> > 3.1) Automatically registered:
> > KacstArt, KacstBook, KacstDecorative, KacstDigital, KacstFarsi,
> > KacstLetter, KacstNaskh, KacstOffice, KacstOne, KacstPoster,
> > KacstScreen, KacstTitle, KacstTitleL and Thabit in a fo:block,
> > fo:block-container, fo:table or fo:list-block: connectivity: none,
> > direction: ok.
> >
> > 3.2) Using font metrics:
> > KacstArt, KacstBook, KacstDecorative, KacstDigital, KacstFarsi,
> > KacstLetter, KacstNaskh, KacstOffice, KacstOne, KacstPoster,
> > KacstScreen, KacstTitle, KacstTitleL and Thabit in a fo:block,
> > fo:block-container, fo:table or fo:list-block: connectivity: none,
> > direction: ok.
> >
> > 4) Other Fonts:
> >
> > 4.1) Automatically registered:
> > Advertising Light, Advertising Bold, Advertising Extra Bold and Bassam
> > Ostorah in a fo:block, fo:block-container, fo:table or fo:list-block:
> > glyphs: none.
> >
> > 4.2) Using font metrics:
> > Advertising Light, Advertising Bold, Advertising Extra Bold and Bassam
> > Ostorah in a fo:block, fo:block-container, fo:table or fo:list-block:
> > connectivity: none, direction: ok.
> >
> > 5) Connectivity and Direction Problem:
> >
> > A small tool called Free Ressam can be used to pre adjust connectivity and
> > direction of the text parts. This
> > is of course not the accurate solution, especially dealing with long texts,
> > but the tool might give an idea about
> > the necesarry logic. Free Ressam was developed to adjust connectivity and
> > direction of arabic text by using of
> > some programs that don't properly support the display of arabic text, such
> > as older versions of Photoshop.
> >
> > Maher
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fop-users-unsubscribe@xmlgraphics.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: fop-users-help@xmlgraphics.apache.org
> >
>
>
>
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