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Posted to modperl@perl.apache.org by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org> on 2001/10/09 11:59:43 UTC

[request] modperl mailing lists searchable archives wanted

Hi folks,

We need your help. There are dozens of modperl@apache.org mailing list 
archives, but just a few or none at all of the other modperl lists. Some 
archives are browsable, but their search engines simply suck. e.g. 
marc.theaimsgroup.com I think is the only one that archives 
dev@perl.apache.org, but if you try to seach for perl string like 
APR::Table::FETCH it won't find anything. If you search for
get_dir_config it will split it into 'get', 'dir', 'config' and give you 
a zillion matches when you know that there are just a few.

So far http://forum.swarthmore.edu/epigone/modperl has the best search 
engine:

- you can search for anything as is
- makes it easy to link to threads
- relatively fast most of the time

I wish they were archiving other modperl lists :(

I've just updated the archives list at 
http://perl.apache.org/#maillists, so here is what we have:

dev@@perl.apache.org     - 2.5, but their search engines suck
docs-dev@perl.apache.org - none
docs-cvs@perl.apache.org - none
asp@perl.apache.org      - none
modperl-cvs@apache.org   - 1

If you maintain an archive, with a good search engine or know someone 
who does, please add these lists to the archives. You can pull older 
mbox-file style archives from: http://perl.apache.org/mail/

Please try to send links only for good archives with good search engines.

Thanks a bunch!

_____________________________________________________________________
Stas Bekman             JAm_pH      --   Just Another mod_perl Hacker
http://stason.org/      mod_perl Guide   http://perl.apache.org/guide
mailto:stas@stason.org  http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com
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Re: [request] modperl mailing lists searchable archives wanted

Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
Joshua Chamas wrote:

> Stas Bekman wrote:
> 
>>dev@@perl.apache.org     - 2.5, but their search engines suck
>>docs-dev@perl.apache.org - none
>>docs-cvs@perl.apache.org - none
>>asp@perl.apache.org      - none
>>modperl-cvs@apache.org   - 1
>>
>>
> 
> Hey Stas, 
> 
> I have the asp list getting archived at:
> 
>   http://www.mail-archive.com/asp%40perl.apache.org/


Added. Thanks Joshua

 
> Thanks for keeping up on this.  It would be nice to 
> have another search archive for the asp list too.

:)

_____________________________________________________________________
Stas Bekman             JAm_pH      --   Just Another mod_perl Hacker
http://stason.org/      mod_perl Guide   http://perl.apache.org/guide
mailto:stas@stason.org  http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com
http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/


Re: [request] modperl mailing lists searchable archives wanted

Posted by Joshua Chamas <jo...@chamas.com>.
Stas Bekman wrote:
> 
> dev@@perl.apache.org     - 2.5, but their search engines suck
> docs-dev@perl.apache.org - none
> docs-cvs@perl.apache.org - none
> asp@perl.apache.org      - none
> modperl-cvs@apache.org   - 1
> 

Hey Stas, 

I have the asp list getting archived at:

  http://www.mail-archive.com/asp%40perl.apache.org/

Thanks for keeping up on this.  It would be nice to 
have another search archive for the asp list too.

Josh

_________________________________________________________________
Joshua Chamas                           Chamas Enterprises Inc.
NodeWorks Founder                       Huntington Beach, CA  USA 
http://www.nodeworks.com                1-714-625-4051

Re: [request] modperl mailing lists searchable archives wanted

Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote:

> At 05:59 PM 10/9/01 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
> 
>> Please try to send links only for good archives with good search engines.
>> Thanks a bunch!
> 
> 
> Still in beta phase, and only containing Perl newsgroups, it nonetheless 
> might be interesting to check out:
> 
>   
> http://news.search.nl/style/search.en/read/category/Programming_Languages 
> http://news.search.nl/style/search.en/read/category/Programming_Languages/Pe 
> rl/list/page1.html
> 
> Currently refreshed 4 times a day, with searching being refreshed once a 
> day.
> 
> The site actually runs ModPerl with Matt Sergeant's LibXML and LibXSLT 
> modules.


That's cool, but I've asked for the links with modperl-foo lists 
archives that I've listed in my original post (we have enough archives 
of the modperl list itself).

Thanks, Elizabeth




-- 


_____________________________________________________________________
Stas Bekman             JAm_pH      --   Just Another mod_perl Hacker
http://stason.org/      mod_perl Guide   http://perl.apache.org/guide
mailto:stas@stason.org  http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com
http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/


Re: [request] modperl mailing lists searchable archives wanted

Posted by Elizabeth Mattijsen <li...@dijkmat.nl>.
At 05:59 PM 10/9/01 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
>Please try to send links only for good archives with good search engines.
>Thanks a bunch!

Still in beta phase, and only containing Perl newsgroups, it nonetheless 
might be interesting to check out:

   http://news.search.nl/style/search.en/read/category/Programming_Languages 
http://news.search.nl/style/search.en/read/category/Programming_Languages/Pe 
rl/list/page1.html

Currently refreshed 4 times a day, with searching being refreshed once a day.

The site actually runs ModPerl with Matt Sergeant's LibXML and LibXSLT modules.




Elizabeth Mattijsen

Note: I am the main developer of this website, so I am prejudiced  ;-)


Re: [request] modperl mailing lists searchable archives wanted

Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
Bill Moseley wrote:

> Hi Stas,
> 
> I just updated the search site for Apache.org with a newer version of
> swish.  The context highlighting is a bit silly, but that can be fixed.
> I'm only caching the first 15K of text from each page for context
> highlighting.
> 
> http://search.apache.org
> 
> It seems reasonably fast (it's not running under mod_perl currently, but
> could -- if mod_perl was in that server ;).
> 
> It takes about eight or nine minutes to reindex ~35,000 docs on *.apache.org
> so the mod_perl list (and others) shouldn't too much trouble, I'd think,
> with smaller numbers and smaller content.
> 
> It doesn't do incremental indexing at this point, which is a draw back, but
> indexing is so fast it normally doesn't matter (and there's an easy
> work-around for something like a mailing list to pickup new messages as
> they come in during the day).
> 
> Swish-e can also call a perl program which feeds docs to swish.  That makes
> it easy to parse the email into fields for something like:
> 
>   http://swish-e.org/Discussion/search/swish.cgi
> 
> which looks a lot like the Apache search site...
> 
> But, what would be needed is a good threaded mail archiver, which there are
> many to pick from, I'd expect.
> 
> 
>>Some 
>>archives are browsable, but their search engines simply suck. e.g. 
>>marc.theaimsgroup.com I think is the only one that archives 
>>dev@perl.apache.org, but if you try to seach for perl string like 
>>APR::Table::FETCH it won't find anything. If you search for
>>get_dir_config it will split it into 'get', 'dir', 'config' and give you 
>>a zillion matches when you know that there are just a few.
>>
> 
> On swish you could say ":" and "_" are part of words and those would index
> as full words.  Or, just simply search for phrase: "get_dir_config" and it
> would search for the phrase "get dir config" which would probably find what
> you want.
> 
> Maybe : and _ are ok in words, but you have to think carefully about
> others.  It's more flexible to split the words and use phrases in many cases.

Hi Bill,

It's great that search.apache.org gets a new engine, but if you run a 
few simple tests it's still not very good with what you've just 
explained. When I search for mod_perl, I search for 'mod_perl' and not 
'mod' and 'perl'. It's possible that there are hundreds of pages which 
have mod_perl or 'mod' and 'perl' in them, in the current case those 
with 'mod_perl' won't get higher relevance than those with 'mod' and 
'perl'. So it's not good.

Well we have been through this already with Randy Kobe's version of the 
searchable guide (Swish-E too), which has been tuned to work with Perl 
content. You may want to ask Randy to give you the tuned configuration. 
You can compare all three search engines used at 
http://perl.apache.org/guide/#search.

Thanks Bill!

_____________________________________________________________________
Stas Bekman             JAm_pH      --   Just Another mod_perl Hacker
http://stason.org/      mod_perl Guide   http://perl.apache.org/guide
mailto:stas@stason.org  http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com
http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/


Re: [request] modperl mailing lists searchable archives wanted

Posted by Bill Moseley <mo...@hank.org>.
Hi Stas,

I just updated the search site for Apache.org with a newer version of
swish.  The context highlighting is a bit silly, but that can be fixed.
I'm only caching the first 15K of text from each page for context
highlighting.

http://search.apache.org

It seems reasonably fast (it's not running under mod_perl currently, but
could -- if mod_perl was in that server ;).

It takes about eight or nine minutes to reindex ~35,000 docs on *.apache.org
so the mod_perl list (and others) shouldn't too much trouble, I'd think,
with smaller numbers and smaller content.

It doesn't do incremental indexing at this point, which is a draw back, but
indexing is so fast it normally doesn't matter (and there's an easy
work-around for something like a mailing list to pickup new messages as
they come in during the day).

Swish-e can also call a perl program which feeds docs to swish.  That makes
it easy to parse the email into fields for something like:

  http://swish-e.org/Discussion/search/swish.cgi

which looks a lot like the Apache search site...

But, what would be needed is a good threaded mail archiver, which there are
many to pick from, I'd expect.

>Some 
>archives are browsable, but their search engines simply suck. e.g. 
>marc.theaimsgroup.com I think is the only one that archives 
>dev@perl.apache.org, but if you try to seach for perl string like 
>APR::Table::FETCH it won't find anything. If you search for
>get_dir_config it will split it into 'get', 'dir', 'config' and give you 
>a zillion matches when you know that there are just a few.

On swish you could say ":" and "_" are part of words and those would index
as full words.  Or, just simply search for phrase: "get_dir_config" and it
would search for the phrase "get dir config" which would probably find what
you want.

Maybe : and _ are ok in words, but you have to think carefully about
others.  It's more flexible to split the words and use phrases in many cases.



Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley@hank.org