Re: [DISCUSS] Leave apache and the incubator

[Josh Elser <jo...@gmail.com>]

Should I help by looking at what actually needs to be done to retire? 
Seems like we're back in the same exact state :)

I'd rather us focus efforts on retiring than writing yet another 
incubator report that says "nothing happened".

On 7/25/18 1:29 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote:
> To follow up on this.
> 
> +1 from me for "let's get things reviewed & merged before next report in a
> month".
> 
> No activity has happened. The board reports are due soon, I would rather
> not write another report to summarize no activity. We should start the vote
> to shut down now.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Sree V <sr...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Edward,
>> I am not aware of the difficulty in setting up the website or continuous
>> modifications to it.If you feel so, you may make a motion for an alternate
>> solutions (eg. git pages, ...) and link to 'gossip.incubator.apache.org'.And
>> Apache.org is allowing it, now. Similar to, https://apache.github.io/
>> incubator-heron/
>> It would be a one time task.
>>
>>
>> +1 from me for "let's get things reviewed & merged before next report in a
>> month".
>>
>>
>> Hi Josh,
>> You have been very helpful so far.  And I appreciate that,
>> personally.Please suggest a replacement or ad-hoc help that can set us in
>> motion for the next few months, until we streamline.
>>
>>
>> Hi Edward/Team,
>> I am proposing a meetup event for kick start, again.A hackathon style,
>> that would add to our code base.
>> Josh came forward honestly. Thank you. Let us go through the rest of the
>> names assigned to gossip and find out their level of contributions to
>> gossip.And may be find alternatives or announce open positions.That should
>> attract contributors to gossip.
>>
>>
>> Thank you.Sree
>>
>>      On Monday, July 9, 2018, 11:35:21 AM PDT, Josh Elser <
>> elserj@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>   I'd clarify that I don't consider myself to be a part of Gossip. I exist
>> only to satisfy my obligations of being a mentor (and even that is
>> difficult for me, most days).
>>
>> On 7/8/18 11:21 AM, Sree V wrote:
>>> Hi Edward,
>>> Allow me to introduce myself, as the creator of the current gossip
>> website with the help of Josh.
>>> I prefer to stay in Apache.org.
>>>
>>> Four willing people from this conversation, should be good enough to
>> take Gossip forward.(Josh, Chandresh, Ankur & Myself)
>>>
>>> You summarized the work involved very nicely.  Thanks.Let's add (i mean
>> request) names to each of those tasks. And we are done.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Delegate"; "Divide & Conquer"; "Epic, Story, Tasks..." .... always
>> worked historically.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.Sree Vaddi
>>> 650.213.2707 M
>>>
>>>
>>>       On Friday, July 6, 2018, 8:07:58 AM PDT, Josh Elser <
>> elserj@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>   On 7/5/18 6:59 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote:
>>>> Of the ones with reports, not much sign off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So if your going to make a big deal about reports...time to shut down
>> the
>>>> entire incubator.
>>>
>>> While I know this is tongue-in-cheek, the folks who help out in the
>>> Incubator are well-stretched already. This isn't a new discussion that
>>> is coming out of the IPMC -- I'm just actually trying to get Gossip to
>>> honestly think about this (the comments about how using Github would be
>>> easier made me think I wasn't off-base).
>>>
>>>
>>
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Leave apache and the incubator

[Josh Elser <jo...@gmail.com>]

Thanks, Taylor. Just started a new thread for a dev-list VOTE.

On 8/6/18 12:05 PM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote:
> We should start with a retirement vote on dev@. If that passes, we move on to a IPMC vote on retirement.
> 
> Once that’s done, there are a few administrative steps that need to be done. [1]
> 
> -Taylor
> 
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes. Let figure out the steps.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Josh Elser <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Should I help by looking at what actually needs to be done to retire?
>>> Seems like we're back in the same exact state :)
>>>
>>> I'd rather us focus efforts on retiring than writing yet another incubator
>>> report that says "nothing happened".
>>>
>>> On 7/25/18 1:29 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote:
>>>
>>>> To follow up on this.
>>>>
>>>> +1 from me for "let's get things reviewed & merged before next report in a
>>>> month".
>>>>
>>>> No activity has happened. The board reports are due soon, I would rather
>>>> not write another report to summarize no activity. We should start the
>>>> vote
>>>> to shut down now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Sree V <sr...@yahoo.com.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Edward,
>>>>> I am not aware of the difficulty in setting up the website or continuous
>>>>> modifications to it.If you feel so, you may make a motion for an
>>>>> alternate
>>>>> solutions (eg. git pages, ...) and link to 'gossip.incubator.apache.org
>>>>> '.And
>>>>> Apache.org is allowing it, now. Similar to, https://apache.github.io/
>>>>> incubator-heron/
>>>>> It would be a one time task.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 from me for "let's get things reviewed & merged before next report in
>>>>> a
>>>>> month".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Josh,
>>>>> You have been very helpful so far.  And I appreciate that,
>>>>> personally.Please suggest a replacement or ad-hoc help that can set us in
>>>>> motion for the next few months, until we streamline.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Edward/Team,
>>>>> I am proposing a meetup event for kick start, again.A hackathon style,
>>>>> that would add to our code base.
>>>>> Josh came forward honestly. Thank you. Let us go through the rest of the
>>>>> names assigned to gossip and find out their level of contributions to
>>>>> gossip.And may be find alternatives or announce open positions.That
>>>>> should
>>>>> attract contributors to gossip.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.Sree
>>>>>
>>>>>      On Monday, July 9, 2018, 11:35:21 AM PDT, Josh Elser <
>>>>> elserj@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   I'd clarify that I don't consider myself to be a part of Gossip. I
>>>>> exist
>>>>> only to satisfy my obligations of being a mentor (and even that is
>>>>> difficult for me, most days).
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/8/18 11:21 AM, Sree V wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Edward,
>>>>>> Allow me to introduce myself, as the creator of the current gossip
>>>>>>
>>>>> website with the help of Josh.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer to stay in Apache.org.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Four willing people from this conversation, should be good enough to
>>>>>>
>>>>> take Gossip forward.(Josh, Chandresh, Ankur & Myself)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You summarized the work involved very nicely.  Thanks.Let's add (i mean
>>>>>>
>>>>> request) names to each of those tasks. And we are done.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Delegate"; "Divide & Conquer"; "Epic, Story, Tasks..." .... always
>>>>>>
>>>>> worked historically.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.Sree Vaddi
>>>>>> 650.213.2707 M
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       On Friday, July 6, 2018, 8:07:58 AM PDT, Josh Elser <
>>>>>>
>>>>> elserj@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On 7/5/18 6:59 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of the ones with reports, not much sign off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if your going to make a big deal about reports...time to shut down
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> entire incubator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I know this is tongue-in-cheek, the folks who help out in the
>>>>>> Incubator are well-stretched already. This isn't a new discussion that
>>>>>> is coming out of the IPMC -- I'm just actually trying to get Gossip to
>>>>>> honestly think about this (the comments about how using Github would be
>>>>>> easier made me think I wasn't off-base).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Leave apache and the incubator

["P. Taylor Goetz" <pt...@gmail.com>]

We should start with a retirement vote on dev@. If that passes, we move on to a IPMC vote on retirement.

Once that’s done, there are a few administrative steps that need to be done. [1]

-Taylor

[1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes. Let figure out the steps.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Josh Elser <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Should I help by looking at what actually needs to be done to retire?
>> Seems like we're back in the same exact state :)
>> 
>> I'd rather us focus efforts on retiring than writing yet another incubator
>> report that says "nothing happened".
>> 
>> On 7/25/18 1:29 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote:
>> 
>>> To follow up on this.
>>> 
>>> +1 from me for "let's get things reviewed & merged before next report in a
>>> month".
>>> 
>>> No activity has happened. The board reports are due soon, I would rather
>>> not write another report to summarize no activity. We should start the
>>> vote
>>> to shut down now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Sree V <sr...@yahoo.com.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Edward,
>>>> I am not aware of the difficulty in setting up the website or continuous
>>>> modifications to it.If you feel so, you may make a motion for an
>>>> alternate
>>>> solutions (eg. git pages, ...) and link to 'gossip.incubator.apache.org
>>>> '.And
>>>> Apache.org is allowing it, now. Similar to, https://apache.github.io/
>>>> incubator-heron/
>>>> It would be a one time task.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> +1 from me for "let's get things reviewed & merged before next report in
>>>> a
>>>> month".
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Josh,
>>>> You have been very helpful so far.  And I appreciate that,
>>>> personally.Please suggest a replacement or ad-hoc help that can set us in
>>>> motion for the next few months, until we streamline.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Edward/Team,
>>>> I am proposing a meetup event for kick start, again.A hackathon style,
>>>> that would add to our code base.
>>>> Josh came forward honestly. Thank you. Let us go through the rest of the
>>>> names assigned to gossip and find out their level of contributions to
>>>> gossip.And may be find alternatives or announce open positions.That
>>>> should
>>>> attract contributors to gossip.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.Sree
>>>> 
>>>>     On Monday, July 9, 2018, 11:35:21 AM PDT, Josh Elser <
>>>> elserj@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  I'd clarify that I don't consider myself to be a part of Gossip. I
>>>> exist
>>>> only to satisfy my obligations of being a mentor (and even that is
>>>> difficult for me, most days).
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/8/18 11:21 AM, Sree V wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Edward,
>>>>> Allow me to introduce myself, as the creator of the current gossip
>>>>> 
>>>> website with the help of Josh.
>>>> 
>>>>> I prefer to stay in Apache.org.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Four willing people from this conversation, should be good enough to
>>>>> 
>>>> take Gossip forward.(Josh, Chandresh, Ankur & Myself)
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You summarized the work involved very nicely.  Thanks.Let's add (i mean
>>>>> 
>>>> request) names to each of those tasks. And we are done.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Delegate"; "Divide & Conquer"; "Epic, Story, Tasks..." .... always
>>>>> 
>>>> worked historically.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you.Sree Vaddi
>>>>> 650.213.2707 M
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>      On Friday, July 6, 2018, 8:07:58 AM PDT, Josh Elser <
>>>>> 
>>>> elserj@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  On 7/5/18 6:59 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Of the ones with reports, not much sign off.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So if your going to make a big deal about reports...time to shut down
>>>>>> 
>>>>> the
>>>> 
>>>>> entire incubator.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> While I know this is tongue-in-cheek, the folks who help out in the
>>>>> Incubator are well-stretched already. This isn't a new discussion that
>>>>> is coming out of the IPMC -- I'm just actually trying to get Gossip to
>>>>> honestly think about this (the comments about how using Github would be
>>>>> easier made me think I wasn't off-base).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Leave apache and the incubator

[Edward Capriolo <ed...@gmail.com>]

Yes. Let figure out the steps.

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Josh Elser <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Should I help by looking at what actually needs to be done to retire?
> Seems like we're back in the same exact state :)
>
> I'd rather us focus efforts on retiring than writing yet another incubator
> report that says "nothing happened".
>
> On 7/25/18 1:29 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote:
>
>> To follow up on this.
>>
>> +1 from me for "let's get things reviewed & merged before next report in a
>> month".
>>
>> No activity has happened. The board reports are due soon, I would rather
>> not write another report to summarize no activity. We should start the
>> vote
>> to shut down now.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Sree V <sr...@yahoo.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Edward,
>>> I am not aware of the difficulty in setting up the website or continuous
>>> modifications to it.If you feel so, you may make a motion for an
>>> alternate
>>> solutions (eg. git pages, ...) and link to 'gossip.incubator.apache.org
>>> '.And
>>> Apache.org is allowing it, now. Similar to, https://apache.github.io/
>>> incubator-heron/
>>> It would be a one time task.
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 from me for "let's get things reviewed & merged before next report in
>>> a
>>> month".
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Josh,
>>> You have been very helpful so far.  And I appreciate that,
>>> personally.Please suggest a replacement or ad-hoc help that can set us in
>>> motion for the next few months, until we streamline.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Edward/Team,
>>> I am proposing a meetup event for kick start, again.A hackathon style,
>>> that would add to our code base.
>>> Josh came forward honestly. Thank you. Let us go through the rest of the
>>> names assigned to gossip and find out their level of contributions to
>>> gossip.And may be find alternatives or announce open positions.That
>>> should
>>> attract contributors to gossip.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.Sree
>>>
>>>      On Monday, July 9, 2018, 11:35:21 AM PDT, Josh Elser <
>>> elserj@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I'd clarify that I don't consider myself to be a part of Gossip. I
>>> exist
>>> only to satisfy my obligations of being a mentor (and even that is
>>> difficult for me, most days).
>>>
>>> On 7/8/18 11:21 AM, Sree V wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Edward,
>>>> Allow me to introduce myself, as the creator of the current gossip
>>>>
>>> website with the help of Josh.
>>>
>>>> I prefer to stay in Apache.org.
>>>>
>>>> Four willing people from this conversation, should be good enough to
>>>>
>>> take Gossip forward.(Josh, Chandresh, Ankur & Myself)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You summarized the work involved very nicely.  Thanks.Let's add (i mean
>>>>
>>> request) names to each of those tasks. And we are done.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Delegate"; "Divide & Conquer"; "Epic, Story, Tasks..." .... always
>>>>
>>> worked historically.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.Sree Vaddi
>>>> 650.213.2707 M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       On Friday, July 6, 2018, 8:07:58 AM PDT, Josh Elser <
>>>>
>>> elserj@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On 7/5/18 6:59 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Of the ones with reports, not much sign off.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So if your going to make a big deal about reports...time to shut down
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> entire incubator.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While I know this is tongue-in-cheek, the folks who help out in the
>>>> Incubator are well-stretched already. This isn't a new discussion that
>>>> is coming out of the IPMC -- I'm just actually trying to get Gossip to
>>>> honestly think about this (the comments about how using Github would be
>>>> easier made me think I wasn't off-base).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>