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Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites
instead of...
Twelve (TWELVE!!!) years ago I asked OpenOffice users “Are you
advocating OO correctly”. Six years ago I said the same things in a
different format. A couple of weeks ago, I came across a perfect proof
that that kind of advocay IS right, but so far has been never
practiced enough.
Continues on my blog:
http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/11/shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/
Feedback very welcome, of course!
Marco
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Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites
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Posted by "M. Fioretti" <mf...@nexaima.net>.
On Sat, Nov 09, 2013 19:18:37 PM -0800, Dr Donald Zarlengo wrote:
> Let us take Fioretti’s advice. Lets focus on using one good
> product.
Please note I never said "use one *product*" . Only "use open *formats*"
Marco
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Posted by Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com>.
I SENSE THAT YOU ARE CONSTANTLY MAKING POOR DECISIONS
D. G. ZARLENGO, PHD
On Nov 11, 2013, at 3:15 AM, James <jl...@inebraska.com> wrote:
I sense some risk to my computer in this. Therefore I say no.
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Using Nisus 2.0.6
This is a test of my Nisus Pro version 2.0.6
This is a text document - which I used to call a word processing document.
I am seeing if it is read by all on the OpenOffice system..
Thanks,
Dr Donald Zarlengo
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Don
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On Nov 10, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com> wrote:
Thanks for the clarification of your proposal to get standard format accepted by OpenOffice.
I will test Nisus Pro 2.0.6
Don
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Re: Thanks for clarification of the standards you are persuing. The text in small font was created with Nisus 2.0.6
Posted by James <jl...@inebraska.com>.
I sense some risk to my computer in this. Therfore I say no.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dr Donald Zarlengo
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:16 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Thanks for clarification of the standards you are persuing. The
text in small font was created with Nisus 2.0.6
Using Nisus 2.0.6
This is a test of my Nisus Pro version 2.0.6
This is a text document - which I used to call a word processing document.
I am seeing if it is read by all on the OpenOffice system..
Thanks,
Dr Donald Zarlengo
‘
Don
Donald Zarlenga Ph.D.
zarlengo@me.com
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On Nov 10, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com> wrote:
Thanks for the clarification of your proposal to get standard format
accepted by OpenOffice.
I will test Nisus Pro 2.0.6
Don
Donald Zarlenga Ph.D.
zarlengo@me.com
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Thanks for clarification of the standards you are persuing. The text
in small font was created with Nisus 2.0.6
Posted by Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com>.
Using Nisus 2.0.6
This is a test of my Nisus Pro version 2.0.6
This is a text document - which I used to call a word processing document.
I am seeing if it is read by all on the OpenOffice system..
Thanks,
Dr Donald Zarlengo
‘
Don
Donald Zarlenga Ph.D.
zarlengo@me.com
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On Nov 10, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com> wrote:
Thanks for the clarification of your proposal to get standard format accepted by OpenOffice.
I will test Nisus Pro 2.0.6
Don
Donald Zarlenga Ph.D.
zarlengo@me.com
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Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites
instead of...
Posted by Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com>.
Thanks for the clarification of your proposal to get standard format accepted by OpenOffice.
I will test Nisus Pro 2.0.6
Don
Donald Zarlenga Ph.D.
zarlengo@me.com
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Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites
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Posted by Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com>.
Let us take Fioretti’s advice. Lets focus on using one good product. Let us standardize on formats that are supported as native to the software such as Appache OpenOffice.
I have found that the OpenOffice text application does a much more dependable job than Microsoft’s Word.
I have used and own Nisus Pro - it is a multilingual word processor - as are almost all applications on
my MacBook Pro and previous Apple products since 1984.
I was often saving the files in rtf format, but now often use odt.
I have been using FileMaker Pro since 1984 as well. I have tried the OpenOffice system,
but it doesn’t come close to FMPro 12.
I have tried a few other applications in OpenOffice, they are OK.
But could become fantastic with our support.
Don
Donald Zarlenga Ph.D.
zarlengo@me.com
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On Nov 9, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
On 11/10/2013 01:56 AM, M. Fioretti wrote:
> Twelve (TWELVE!!!) years ago I asked OpenOffice users “Are you
> advocating OO correctly”. Six years ago I said the same things in a
> different format. A couple of weeks ago, I came across a perfect proof
> that that kind of advocay IS right, but so far has been never
> practiced enough.
>
> Continues on my blog:
>
> http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/11/shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/
Prominently within that article is an advertisement (from Google add services) to download OO from usDOTcom which we know is a fraud. :-(
>
> Feedback very welcome, of course!
>
> Marco
>
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Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites
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Posted by Greg Madden <go...@gci.net>.
On Sunday 10 November 2013 11:31:22 you wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 18:43:10 PM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > On 10/11/2013 M. Fioretti wrote:
> > >>>http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/11/shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-
> > >>>promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/
> >
> > It's a complex issue. OpenOffice does advocate and promote ODF,
> > project members have prominent roles in the ODF standard
> > maintenance and the product shows a warning when users save in a
> > non-ODF format. Still, in our user survey (for existing OpenOffice
> > users) for version 4.x the top priority of our users was a better
> > compatibility with the native formats of Microsoft Office. So, as
> > things stand now, we'll have to do both.
>
> In fact, I did NOT say that OO the *software* should not support
> .docx
>
> I said that OO users and advocates should demand much, much more than
> they have been doing, that files are exchanged in open formats.
There is no lack of effort as you seem to conclude from some , what?,
critical analysis of data. Micrsosoft has an iso standard file
format..can't use that as a data point.
Folks involved are doing a geat job..thanks, AOO devs and users.
LO broke backwards compatability for archived documents, they did this
to be 'more' compatable with Microsoft, its what the reality of the
user base dictated, and I am sure they did not make this decision
lightly. AOO document fidelity is perfect here since 2002..coool.
>
> There is a big difference. And the fact that it has been ignored is
> why things stand now as they stand, and all the effort put into
> compatibility with .docx still doesn't spare people from being told
> "to work with certain customers, use MS Office"
>
> Marco
>
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Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites
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Posted by "M. Fioretti" <mf...@nexaima.net>.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 18:43:10 PM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 10/11/2013 M. Fioretti wrote:
> >>>http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/11/shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/
>
> It's a complex issue. OpenOffice does advocate and promote ODF,
> project members have prominent roles in the ODF standard maintenance
> and the product shows a warning when users save in a non-ODF format.
> Still, in our user survey (for existing OpenOffice users) for
> version 4.x the top priority of our users was a better compatibility
> with the native formats of Microsoft Office. So, as things stand
> now, we'll have to do both.
In fact, I did NOT say that OO the *software* should not support .docx
I said that OO users and advocates should demand much, much more than
they have been doing, that files are exchanged in open formats.
There is a big difference. And the fact that it has been ignored is
why things stand now as they stand, and all the effort put into
compatibility with .docx still doesn't spare people from being told
"to work with certain customers, use MS Office"
Marco
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Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites
instead of...
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 10/11/2013 M. Fioretti wrote:
>>> http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/11/shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/
It's a complex issue. OpenOffice does advocate and promote ODF, project
members have prominent roles in the ODF standard maintenance and the
product shows a warning when users save in a non-ODF format. Still, in
our user survey (for existing OpenOffice users) for version 4.x the top
priority of our users was a better compatibility with the native formats
of Microsoft Office. So, as things stand now, we'll have to do both. Of
course this can be discussed forever, and this doesn't mean that users
shouldn't complain when a document is only available in .DOC format...
but OpenOffice as a project has to do both, as requested by its own users.
> The real solution for this is that the openoffice product reports that
> website as a whole to google for abuse, false advertising or whatever
> it is.
Trademarks are dealt with in private due to the sensitive nature of the
topic, but I think I can say that Apache already approached Google to
prevent misuse of trademarks. For more about trademarks see
http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites
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Posted by "M. Fioretti" <mf...@nexaima.net>.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 09:45:53 AM +0800, Peter Junge wrote:
> >http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/11/shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/
>
> Prominently within that article is an advertisement (from Google add
> services) to download OO from usDOTcom which we know is a fraud. :-(
The real solution for this is that the openoffice product reports that
website as a whole to google for abuse, false advertising or whatever
it is.
Thanks for telling me. The adsense page says that, in order to block
ads (from my website ONLY, hence the paragraph above!) , I have to
Enter the [exact!]display URL shown on the ad or the destination
URL to block new and existing ads. To learn how to find the URL
or format the URL to block ads from the right pages
please tell me the exact URL and I'll block it.
Marco
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Re: Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites
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Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
On 11/10/2013 01:56 AM, M. Fioretti wrote:
> Twelve (TWELVE!!!) years ago I asked OpenOffice users “Are you
> advocating OO correctly”. Six years ago I said the same things in a
> different format. A couple of weeks ago, I came across a perfect proof
> that that kind of advocay IS right, but so far has been never
> practiced enough.
>
> Continues on my blog:
>
> http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/11/shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/
Prominently within that article is an advertisement (from Google add
services) to download OO from usDOTcom which we know is a fraud. :-(
>
> Feedback very welcome, of course!
>
> Marco
>
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