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New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Summary: Digital Merit badges
ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions (volunteer,
committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
Also, what projects you work on.
Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on merit,
why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
- committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
- year joined
If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
- Projects they contribute/contributed to
- Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
- Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
professionals in the world helping make better software available to
commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding ASF
reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
benefits.
Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably not),
Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show their
pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations will
follow suit.
Thoughts?
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Thank you, Matthew
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
FWIW, there's a great implementation here: https://www.badgr.org/
It's GPL, and it's what Fedora uses for their very popular badge program.
On 4/5/21 4:42 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> Summary: Digital Merit badges
> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions (volunteer,
> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> Also, what projects you work on.
>
> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>
> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>
> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on merit,
> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
>
> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>
> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> - year joined
>
> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>
> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
>
> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding ASF
> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
> benefits.
>
> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably not),
> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show their
> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations will
> follow suit.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
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Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
@rbowen
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by kezhenxu94 <ke...@apache.org>.
I like the idea.
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 16:42, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com> wrote:
>
> Summary: Digital Merit badges
> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions (volunteer,
> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> Also, what projects you work on.
>
> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>
> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>
> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on merit,
> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
>
> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>
> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> - year joined
>
> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>
> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
>
> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding ASF
> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
> benefits.
>
> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably not),
> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show their
> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations will
> follow suit.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> Thank you, Matthew
>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by kezhenxu94 <ke...@apache.org>.
I like the idea.
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 16:42, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com> wrote:
>
> Summary: Digital Merit badges
> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions (volunteer,
> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> Also, what projects you work on.
>
> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>
> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>
> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on merit,
> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
>
> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>
> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> - year joined
>
> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>
> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
>
> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding ASF
> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
> benefits.
>
> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably not),
> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show their
> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations will
> follow suit.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> Thank you, Matthew
>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Konstantin Kolinko <kn...@gmail.com>.
вт, 6 апр. 2021 г. в 03:02, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>:
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:59 AM Johan Corveleyn <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> > > distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> > > that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> > > manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> > > and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> > > opposite, which is worse.
> > >
> > > ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> > > time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> > > professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> > > this kind of "corporate encouragement".
> > >
> > > I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> > > does not make me like it anyway.
> >
> > +1, not a fan of such badges either.
> >
> > In our often volunteer-driven projects it's already difficult, IMHO,
> > to make a new PMC member feel empowered just as much as the old-timer
> > that's been around for 20 years, perhaps even founded the project. In
> > my experience, such badges often scare away new people (who might be
> > very talented / have great, fresh ideas), if they get the feeling that
> > it's an old-guru-club. Especially if during discussions some people's
> > arguments are given more weight, just because they wear a badge.
> >
>
> But isn't the whole ASF built around an individual merit and 'badges' ?
> Commiter, Project PMC, ASF member, ASF PMC status is all about "earned
> authority" and badges.
> By definition when you are a new person in any ASF project, you have no
> rights whatsoever, you have to earn it by what you say and do. And you get
> to wear a "badge" of a committer and then PMC when you earn it.
Certainly not.
The essential thing that you earn is trust. Not some guaranteed rights
or benefits.
Once you earn trust, and are seen as a member of the community, and
there is a consensus among the existing members, you are being
invited. It is a community thing, you are invited to the community.
It is not earned by a certain predefined number of commits, patches or
any other KPI.
Those commits, patches, mail messages are means of communication,
means to showcase yourself.
Rereading the original proposal (the message by Matthew Sacks that
started this thread),
пн, 5 апр. 2021 г. в 11:42, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>:
> [...]
> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> - year joined
> [...]
> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
Well, OK.
I share the same concerns as were stated earlier by Daniel Ferradal,
but as what is proposed is not a KPI of some sort, then OK. I agree.
It also needs values for the emeritus status.
Essentially, it is a short replacement for a biography page.
Best regards,
Konstantin Kolinko
https://stackoverflow.com/users/4116988/konstantin-kolinko
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:02 PM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:59 AM Johan Corveleyn <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> > > distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> > > that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> > > manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> > > and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> > > opposite, which is worse.
> > >
> > > ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> > > time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> > > professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> > > this kind of "corporate encouragement".
> > >
> > > I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> > > does not make me like it anyway.
> >
> > +1, not a fan of such badges either.
> >
> > In our often volunteer-driven projects it's already difficult, IMHO,
> > to make a new PMC member feel empowered just as much as the old-timer
> > that's been around for 20 years, perhaps even founded the project. In
> > my experience, such badges often scare away new people (who might be
> > very talented / have great, fresh ideas), if they get the feeling that
> > it's an old-guru-club. Especially if during discussions some people's
> > arguments are given more weight, just because they wear a badge.
> >
>
> But isn't the whole ASF built around an individual merit and 'badges' ?
> Commiter, Project PMC, ASF member, ASF PMC status is all about "earned
> authority" and badges.
> By definition when you are a new person in any ASF project, you have no
> rights whatsoever, you have to earn it by what you say and do. And you get
> to wear a "badge" of a committer and then PMC when you earn it.
> Having a "PMC member of project A" or "Commiter in project B" badge, grants
> you certain rights. And it is public information already.
> And to be honest all that is actually subjective - a decision by a group of
> people. All the rules of ASF try to make it more "objective" - by
> discussion, voting and such but still it's a meritocracy, no matter if you
> like it or not.
>
> In this sense, having X commits, N presentations or being involved for Y
> years is a very-objective metric, which everyone can validate easily and
> has exactly the meaning you yourself put to it by your own judgment - no
> more, no less. And it's something to be proud of by the one wearing the
> badge, not to take advantage of it. At least that's what I see it is.
>
> Also it has a nice "aspirational" part to it. It would be nice to see other
> ASF members who made 100 commits last year and had 3 talks at the
> ApacheCon. This is a true, real engagement you show. And yeah. I value
> people who - despite all their daily obligation - find their time to
> contribute to the community. This makes me value them more as people, but
> this does not change the value they bring to a "merit" when there is a
> project discussion.
>
> I think it's what I really love in the ASF that it's ok to wear a badge,
> but also it's OK to not pay attention to it by others. I often don't. And I
> actually think NOT paying attention to someone's badge when you discuss
> the merit is a value on its own.
> But there is also a difference when it comes to decision making (actual
> voting) rather than discussions. There "badges" matter and for a good
> reason - because with powers to decide, comes also responsibility. So it's
> good to know those `badges` when decisions are made.
>
> I think rather than liking/unliking we should think where, when and how
> such badges should be used.
+1
>
> - Should I "flash" "badge of committer" when I am taking part in a
> discussion in a project ? Surely not. The argument "I wear a badge, so
> my
> words are more important" is a very bad idea, and If I see it, the
> value of
> such a person's opinion (not the person) tanks immediately in the
> discussion in my eyes.
> - Should I "flash" the "badge of committer" when we are voting on an
> important subject for the project and my voice is "binding". Yes.
> Certainly. This is why the "badge of being a committer" is for. We are
> all
> doing so by stating (+1/-1 binding) in the discussion.
> - Should I "flash the "badge of 2 years committer and PMC member of a
> project" I was contributing to for 2 years and made 100s commits to it
> when
> I am publicly speaking about it - hell yeah. I am proud of what I've
> been
> doing, I love to promote my project and I think it's great to share
> the experience with others - such a badge helps to stand out from the
> crowd
> of people who did not make such a commitment.
> - SHould I "flash the badge of an ASF member" when I am promoting the
> values of ASF, the ASF way when publicly speaking - hell yeah. Likely I
> got
> invited because I - at least to some extent - understood and followed
> the
> values and principles of ASF.
>
> And having a common, public way of sharing such "badges" to the public is a
> great idea. It might be a really nice tool to promote ASF values and
> principles outside of it by the ASF individuals - displaying it in
> LinkedIn/Twitter, other social media should be perfectly fine IMHO and
> might spark a number of discussions.
>
> Using it during internal discussion in your project on the devlist or any
> other discussion media for the things related to your project - NOT fine.
>
> J,
>
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Johan
> >
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
+1
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:02 PM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:59 AM Johan Corveleyn <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> > > distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> > > that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> > > manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> > > and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> > > opposite, which is worse.
> > >
> > > ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> > > time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> > > professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> > > this kind of "corporate encouragement".
> > >
> > > I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> > > does not make me like it anyway.
> >
> > +1, not a fan of such badges either.
> >
> > In our often volunteer-driven projects it's already difficult, IMHO,
> > to make a new PMC member feel empowered just as much as the old-timer
> > that's been around for 20 years, perhaps even founded the project. In
> > my experience, such badges often scare away new people (who might be
> > very talented / have great, fresh ideas), if they get the feeling that
> > it's an old-guru-club. Especially if during discussions some people's
> > arguments are given more weight, just because they wear a badge.
> >
>
> But isn't the whole ASF built around an individual merit and 'badges' ?
> Commiter, Project PMC, ASF member, ASF PMC status is all about "earned
> authority" and badges.
> By definition when you are a new person in any ASF project, you have no
> rights whatsoever, you have to earn it by what you say and do. And you get
> to wear a "badge" of a committer and then PMC when you earn it.
> Having a "PMC member of project A" or "Commiter in project B" badge, grants
> you certain rights. And it is public information already.
> And to be honest all that is actually subjective - a decision by a group of
> people. All the rules of ASF try to make it more "objective" - by
> discussion, voting and such but still it's a meritocracy, no matter if you
> like it or not.
>
> In this sense, having X commits, N presentations or being involved for Y
> years is a very-objective metric, which everyone can validate easily and
> has exactly the meaning you yourself put to it by your own judgment - no
> more, no less. And it's something to be proud of by the one wearing the
> badge, not to take advantage of it. At least that's what I see it is.
>
> Also it has a nice "aspirational" part to it. It would be nice to see other
> ASF members who made 100 commits last year and had 3 talks at the
> ApacheCon. This is a true, real engagement you show. And yeah. I value
> people who - despite all their daily obligation - find their time to
> contribute to the community. This makes me value them more as people, but
> this does not change the value they bring to a "merit" when there is a
> project discussion.
>
> I think it's what I really love in the ASF that it's ok to wear a badge,
> but also it's OK to not pay attention to it by others. I often don't. And I
> actually think NOT paying attention to someone's badge when you discuss
> the merit is a value on its own.
> But there is also a difference when it comes to decision making (actual
> voting) rather than discussions. There "badges" matter and for a good
> reason - because with powers to decide, comes also responsibility. So it's
> good to know those `badges` when decisions are made.
>
> I think rather than liking/unliking we should think where, when and how
> such badges should be used.
>
> - Should I "flash" "badge of committer" when I am taking part in a
> discussion in a project ? Surely not. The argument "I wear a badge, so
> my
> words are more important" is a very bad idea, and If I see it, the
> value of
> such a person's opinion (not the person) tanks immediately in the
> discussion in my eyes.
> - Should I "flash" the "badge of committer" when we are voting on an
> important subject for the project and my voice is "binding". Yes.
> Certainly. This is why the "badge of being a committer" is for. We are
> all
> doing so by stating (+1/-1 binding) in the discussion.
> - Should I "flash the "badge of 2 years committer and PMC member of a
> project" I was contributing to for 2 years and made 100s commits to it
> when
> I am publicly speaking about it - hell yeah. I am proud of what I've
> been
> doing, I love to promote my project and I think it's great to share
> the experience with others - such a badge helps to stand out from the
> crowd
> of people who did not make such a commitment.
> - SHould I "flash the badge of an ASF member" when I am promoting the
> values of ASF, the ASF way when publicly speaking - hell yeah. Likely I
> got
> invited because I - at least to some extent - understood and followed
> the
> values and principles of ASF.
>
> And having a common, public way of sharing such "badges" to the public is a
> great idea. It might be a really nice tool to promote ASF values and
> principles outside of it by the ASF individuals - displaying it in
> LinkedIn/Twitter, other social media should be perfectly fine IMHO and
> might spark a number of discussions.
>
> Using it during internal discussion in your project on the devlist or any
> other discussion media for the things related to your project - NOT fine.
>
> J,
>
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Johan
> >
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Thank you, Matthew
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>.
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:59 AM Johan Corveleyn <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> > distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> > that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> > manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> > and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> > opposite, which is worse.
> >
> > ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> > time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> > professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> > this kind of "corporate encouragement".
> >
> > I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> > does not make me like it anyway.
>
> +1, not a fan of such badges either.
>
> In our often volunteer-driven projects it's already difficult, IMHO,
> to make a new PMC member feel empowered just as much as the old-timer
> that's been around for 20 years, perhaps even founded the project. In
> my experience, such badges often scare away new people (who might be
> very talented / have great, fresh ideas), if they get the feeling that
> it's an old-guru-club. Especially if during discussions some people's
> arguments are given more weight, just because they wear a badge.
>
But isn't the whole ASF built around an individual merit and 'badges' ?
Commiter, Project PMC, ASF member, ASF PMC status is all about "earned
authority" and badges.
By definition when you are a new person in any ASF project, you have no
rights whatsoever, you have to earn it by what you say and do. And you get
to wear a "badge" of a committer and then PMC when you earn it.
Having a "PMC member of project A" or "Commiter in project B" badge, grants
you certain rights. And it is public information already.
And to be honest all that is actually subjective - a decision by a group of
people. All the rules of ASF try to make it more "objective" - by
discussion, voting and such but still it's a meritocracy, no matter if you
like it or not.
In this sense, having X commits, N presentations or being involved for Y
years is a very-objective metric, which everyone can validate easily and
has exactly the meaning you yourself put to it by your own judgment - no
more, no less. And it's something to be proud of by the one wearing the
badge, not to take advantage of it. At least that's what I see it is.
Also it has a nice "aspirational" part to it. It would be nice to see other
ASF members who made 100 commits last year and had 3 talks at the
ApacheCon. This is a true, real engagement you show. And yeah. I value
people who - despite all their daily obligation - find their time to
contribute to the community. This makes me value them more as people, but
this does not change the value they bring to a "merit" when there is a
project discussion.
I think it's what I really love in the ASF that it's ok to wear a badge,
but also it's OK to not pay attention to it by others. I often don't. And I
actually think NOT paying attention to someone's badge when you discuss
the merit is a value on its own.
But there is also a difference when it comes to decision making (actual
voting) rather than discussions. There "badges" matter and for a good
reason - because with powers to decide, comes also responsibility. So it's
good to know those `badges` when decisions are made.
I think rather than liking/unliking we should think where, when and how
such badges should be used.
- Should I "flash" "badge of committer" when I am taking part in a
discussion in a project ? Surely not. The argument "I wear a badge, so my
words are more important" is a very bad idea, and If I see it, the value of
such a person's opinion (not the person) tanks immediately in the
discussion in my eyes.
- Should I "flash" the "badge of committer" when we are voting on an
important subject for the project and my voice is "binding". Yes.
Certainly. This is why the "badge of being a committer" is for. We are all
doing so by stating (+1/-1 binding) in the discussion.
- Should I "flash the "badge of 2 years committer and PMC member of a
project" I was contributing to for 2 years and made 100s commits to it when
I am publicly speaking about it - hell yeah. I am proud of what I've been
doing, I love to promote my project and I think it's great to share
the experience with others - such a badge helps to stand out from the crowd
of people who did not make such a commitment.
- SHould I "flash the badge of an ASF member" when I am promoting the
values of ASF, the ASF way when publicly speaking - hell yeah. Likely I got
invited because I - at least to some extent - understood and followed the
values and principles of ASF.
And having a common, public way of sharing such "badges" to the public is a
great idea. It might be a really nice tool to promote ASF values and
principles outside of it by the ASF individuals - displaying it in
LinkedIn/Twitter, other social media should be perfectly fine IMHO and
might spark a number of discussions.
Using it during internal discussion in your project on the devlist or any
other discussion media for the things related to your project - NOT fine.
J,
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Johan Corveleyn <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> opposite, which is worse.
>
> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> this kind of "corporate encouragement".
>
> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> does not make me like it anyway.
+1, not a fan of such badges either.
In our often volunteer-driven projects it's already difficult, IMHO,
to make a new PMC member feel empowered just as much as the old-timer
that's been around for 20 years, perhaps even founded the project. In
my experience, such badges often scare away new people (who might be
very talented / have great, fresh ideas), if they get the feeling that
it's an old-guru-club. Especially if during discussions some people's
arguments are given more weight, just because they wear a badge.
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Tim Williams <wi...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:15 PM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
wrote:
> Thanks for your input.
>
> “I don’t like it” is your only reason?
Hey Matthew,
Reread his objection, he provided his rationale beyond the way you’ve
characterized it.
If you’re familiar with motivations, it’s the difference between creating a
space where people are intrinsically motivated vs extrinsically motivated.
Carrots are a mechanism for extrinsic motivation which is prolly not
healthy for our Way.
I’d add that they are also meaningless given the disparity with which
people gain committership, PMC membership, and Foundation membership across
our projects. Merit isn’t transferrable across projects leaving the only
merit badge of interest a Member badge, which isn’t very meaningful outside
the organization to anyone whose clueful.
Thanks
—tim
>
> Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> > distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> > that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> > manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> > and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> > opposite, which is worse.
> >
> > ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> > time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> > professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> > this kind of "corporate encouragement".
> >
> > I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> > does not make me like it anyway.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks
> > (<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
> > >
> > > If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > > > > So far response has been more yay than nay.
> > > > >
> > > > > Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
> > > > >
> > > > > Vote?
> > > > >
> > > > > Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
> > > >
> > > > There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
> > > >
> > > > 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this
> up
> > > > and maintain it.
> > > >
> > > > 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they
> should
> > > > host for the Foundation.
> > > >
> > > > My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge,
> > based
> > > > on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course,
> is
> > > > that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it
> and
> > > > keep it alive.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement,
> maybe.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> This sounds cool!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> wow, I like this idea very much!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Best Regards
> > > > >>> ---------------
> > > > >>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> > > > >>> Lidong Dai
> > > > >>> dailidong66@gmail.com
> > > > >>> ---------------
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <
> > matthew@matthewsacks.com
> > > > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s
> > themselves.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> J.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
> > > > >> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate
> > the
> > > > >> badge
> > > > >>>>>> authenticity?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly
> more
> > > > >>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
> > > > >>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
> > > > >>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > > > >>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > > > >>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
> > > > >>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
> > > > >> what
> > > > >>>> many
> > > > >>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
> > > > >> boxes
> > > > >>>>> btw!)
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
> > > > >> have
> > > > >>>>>> access
> > > > >>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a
> bunch
> > > > >> of
> > > > >>>>> them.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/
> which
> > > > >> has a
> > > > >>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
> > > > >> developer
> > > > >>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
> > > > >> Kibble
> > > > >>>> into
> > > > >>>>>>> Badgr.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch*
> > of
> > > > >>>> times
> > > > >>>>>>> over. :D
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> --Rich
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
> > > > >> ApacheCon
> > > > >>>>> every
> > > > >>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
> > > > >> generic
> > > > >>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> J.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
> > > > >> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit.
> So
> > > > >> like
> > > > >>>>>> other
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
> > > > >> badge. It
> > > > >>>>>> would
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
> > > > >> contributions
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m
> proposing.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
> > > > >> based
> > > > >>>> on
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> merit,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
> > > > >> done?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
> > > > >> badges
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> - year joined
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
> > > > >> with:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
> > > > >> “brand”
> > > > >>>> and
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers
> and
> > > > >> IT
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
> > > > >> available
> > > > >>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> > > > >>>>> individuals
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
> > > > >> validated by
> > > > >>>> an
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy
> Fielding
> > > > >> or
> > > > >>>>>> JimJag’s
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest
> in
> > > > >>>>> expanding
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ASF
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
> > > > >> views, and
> > > > >>>>>> more
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> benefits.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe
> Apple
> > > > >>>>> (probably
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> not),
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor
> badge
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>> show
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> their
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> corporations will
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
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> > > > >>>>>>> @rbowen
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> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
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> > > >
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> >
> >
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
The Fedora badges idea, particularly the spur-of-the-moment badges,
seems lighthearted enough to avoid a CV generator. I like it.
On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 13:35, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 4/6/21 2:26 PM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > - we can also maybe build on the Badgr project, is that what you would
> > say is preferable?
> >
> > - so ill out it on the incubator list? What about the infra list? Should
> > I mentioned it there?
>
> As I apparently completely misunderstood your purpose (viz: booting up a
> new software project, rather than hosting a service) the Infra remark
> isn't relevant. Infra would only get involved if we are 1) hosting a
> service of some kind and 2) it's an official ASF service, supported by
> Infra, with a SLA of some kind.
>
>
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:29 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > <ma...@rcbowen.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/6/21 11:16 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > > 1) if rather build my own badge software from scratch for the ASF
> > badge
> > > use specifically.
> > >
> > > It is indeed a software project, and yes you’ve fully
> > misunderstood as
> > > you mentioned, WADR.
> > >
> > > Whether or not infra decides to use the software will be based on
> > the
> > > usefulness of the Podling PoC for the new badge technology
> > specifically
> > > for ASF badges. If someone wants to fork and resubmit or take it to
> > > GitHub whatever that’s fine, but the original purpose is for the ASF
> > > badge specifically.
> > >
> > > Should I cc them or present it on their list separately?
> > >
> > > New podling, new software, yes.
> > >
> > > Does this change your -1?
> >
> > I see. Well, then, I would have to say that this is the wrong place to
> > have this vote, and the wrong place to have this conversation. You need
> > to make a proposal over on the Incubator list. Having a vote on this
> > here will have no consequence, and will not be binding on anything.
> >
> > That said, reinventing something just so we can have our own is not
> > something I'm a fan of, but if that's interesting to you, I'm certainly
> > not going to say no, either.
> >
> > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:04 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > <ma...@rcbowen.com>
> > > <mailto:rbowen@rcbowen.com <ma...@rcbowen.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/6/21 10:57 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > > > I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder
> > > buffers and more
> > > > experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s
> > input, Brett
> > > > Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be
> > turned into a
> > > > proposal of some kind, incubator or other, depending on
> > where it
> > > is most
> > > > appropriated.
> > > >
> > > > Calling a vote yes or no to create a formal application for
> > > project hosting
> > > > in the ASF for the PoC.
> > > >
> > > > PoC success criteria TBD.
> > > >
> > > > I’ve proposed one podling before, but I’m rusty on this
> > process.
> > > >
> > > > Ready to dedicate resources to this project.
> > >
> > > -1 - this is not podling material. Podlings are for software
> > project to
> > > be hosted at the Foundation. This is not a software project.
> > It is
> > > standing up a service with an existing externally-developed
> > software
> > > project - unless I am completely misunderstanding what you're
> > trying to
> > > do here.
> > >
> > > What I understood from the entire thread is that you wish to
> > run a
> > > badge
> > > service, using Badgr (or other similar existing software
> > project).
> > >
> > > Have I completely misunderstood your intent?
> > >
> > > If you do, in fact, intend to start a *new* software project
> > to develop
> > > a badge solution, and make that an Apache project, this is
> > not the
> > > place
> > > to have that conversation. That would be over on the Incubator
> > > mailing list.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com <ma...@rcbowen.com>
> > <mailto:rbowen@rcbowen.com <ma...@rcbowen.com>>
> > > @rbowen
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thank you, Matthew
> >
> > --
> > Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com <ma...@rcbowen.com>
> > @rbowen
> >
> > --
> > Thank you, Matthew
>
> --
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 4/6/21 2:26 PM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> - we can also maybe build on the Badgr project, is that what you would
> say is preferable?
>
> - so ill out it on the incubator list? What about the infra list? Should
> I mentioned it there?
As I apparently completely misunderstood your purpose (viz: booting up a
new software project, rather than hosting a service) the Infra remark
isn't relevant. Infra would only get involved if we are 1) hosting a
service of some kind and 2) it's an official ASF service, supported by
Infra, with a SLA of some kind.
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:29 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
> <ma...@rcbowen.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 4/6/21 11:16 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > 1) if rather build my own badge software from scratch for the ASF
> badge
> > use specifically.
> >
> > It is indeed a software project, and yes you’ve fully
> misunderstood as
> > you mentioned, WADR.
> >
> > Whether or not infra decides to use the software will be based on
> the
> > usefulness of the Podling PoC for the new badge technology
> specifically
> > for ASF badges. If someone wants to fork and resubmit or take it to
> > GitHub whatever that’s fine, but the original purpose is for the ASF
> > badge specifically.
> >
> > Should I cc them or present it on their list separately?
> >
> > New podling, new software, yes.
> >
> > Does this change your -1?
>
> I see. Well, then, I would have to say that this is the wrong place to
> have this vote, and the wrong place to have this conversation. You need
> to make a proposal over on the Incubator list. Having a vote on this
> here will have no consequence, and will not be binding on anything.
>
> That said, reinventing something just so we can have our own is not
> something I'm a fan of, but if that's interesting to you, I'm certainly
> not going to say no, either.
>
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:04 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
> <ma...@rcbowen.com>
> > <mailto:rbowen@rcbowen.com <ma...@rcbowen.com>>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/6/21 10:57 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > > I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder
> > buffers and more
> > > experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s
> input, Brett
> > > Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be
> turned into a
> > > proposal of some kind, incubator or other, depending on
> where it
> > is most
> > > appropriated.
> > >
> > > Calling a vote yes or no to create a formal application for
> > project hosting
> > > in the ASF for the PoC.
> > >
> > > PoC success criteria TBD.
> > >
> > > I’ve proposed one podling before, but I’m rusty on this
> process.
> > >
> > > Ready to dedicate resources to this project.
> >
> > -1 - this is not podling material. Podlings are for software
> project to
> > be hosted at the Foundation. This is not a software project.
> It is
> > standing up a service with an existing externally-developed
> software
> > project - unless I am completely misunderstanding what you're
> trying to
> > do here.
> >
> > What I understood from the entire thread is that you wish to
> run a
> > badge
> > service, using Badgr (or other similar existing software
> project).
> >
> > Have I completely misunderstood your intent?
> >
> > If you do, in fact, intend to start a *new* software project
> to develop
> > a badge solution, and make that an Apache project, this is
> not the
> > place
> > to have that conversation. That would be over on the Incubator
> > mailing list.
> >
> > --
> > Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com <ma...@rcbowen.com>
> <mailto:rbowen@rcbowen.com <ma...@rcbowen.com>>
> > @rbowen
> >
> > --
> > Thank you, Matthew
>
> --
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>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi Matthew,
> On Apr 6, 2021, at 11:26 AM, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com> wrote:
>
> - we can also maybe build on the Badgr project, is that what you would say
> is preferable?
>
> - so ill out it on the incubator list?
I would start by reading https://incubator.apache.org/cookbook/
Some of the requirements include convincing enough Apache Members or IPMC Members to be your Champion and Mentors.
You would also need to have a small community of others who want to work with you on this project. By small I mean at least two others.
Then you write a proposal and the IPMC decides.
Alternatively, you could find a PMC that would sponsor your project’s Incubation.
Thirdly, find a PMC (including ComDev) that would host the development of the badge system.
Best Regards,
Dave
PS. Criticism is going to happen, get used to it, and take your time in response.
> What about the infra list? Should I
> mentioned it there?
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:29 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 4/6/21 11:16 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
>>> 1) if rather build my own badge software from scratch for the ASF badge
>>> use specifically.
>>>
>>> It is indeed a software project, and yes you’ve fully misunderstood as
>>> you mentioned, WADR.
>>>
>>> Whether or not infra decides to use the software will be based on the
>>> usefulness of the Podling PoC for the new badge technology specifically
>>> for ASF badges. If someone wants to fork and resubmit or take it to
>>> GitHub whatever that’s fine, but the original purpose is for the ASF
>>> badge specifically.
>>>
>>> Should I cc them or present it on their list separately?
>>>
>>> New podling, new software, yes.
>>>
>>> Does this change your -1?
>>
>> I see. Well, then, I would have to say that this is the wrong place to
>> have this vote, and the wrong place to have this conversation. You need
>> to make a proposal over on the Incubator list. Having a vote on this
>> here will have no consequence, and will not be binding on anything.
>>
>> That said, reinventing something just so we can have our own is not
>> something I'm a fan of, but if that's interesting to you, I'm certainly
>> not going to say no, either.
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:04 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
>>> <ma...@rcbowen.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/6/21 10:57 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
>>>> I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder
>>> buffers and more
>>>> experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s input,
>> Brett
>>>> Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be turned
>> into a
>>>> proposal of some kind, incubator or other, depending on where it
>>> is most
>>>> appropriated.
>>>>
>>>> Calling a vote yes or no to create a formal application for
>>> project hosting
>>>> in the ASF for the PoC.
>>>>
>>>> PoC success criteria TBD.
>>>>
>>>> I’ve proposed one podling before, but I’m rusty on this process.
>>>>
>>>> Ready to dedicate resources to this project.
>>>
>>> -1 - this is not podling material. Podlings are for software project
>> to
>>> be hosted at the Foundation. This is not a software project. It is
>>> standing up a service with an existing externally-developed software
>>> project - unless I am completely misunderstanding what you're trying
>> to
>>> do here.
>>>
>>> What I understood from the entire thread is that you wish to run a
>>> badge
>>> service, using Badgr (or other similar existing software project).
>>>
>>> Have I completely misunderstood your intent?
>>>
>>> If you do, in fact, intend to start a *new* software project to
>> develop
>>> a badge solution, and make that an Apache project, this is not the
>>> place
>>> to have that conversation. That would be over on the Incubator
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com <ma...@rcbowen.com>
>>> @rbowen
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>
>> --
>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
>> @rbowen
>>
> --
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
- we can also maybe build on the Badgr project, is that what you would say
is preferable?
- so ill out it on the incubator list? What about the infra list? Should I
mentioned it there?
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:29 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/6/21 11:16 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > 1) if rather build my own badge software from scratch for the ASF badge
> > use specifically.
> >
> > It is indeed a software project, and yes you’ve fully misunderstood as
> > you mentioned, WADR.
> >
> > Whether or not infra decides to use the software will be based on the
> > usefulness of the Podling PoC for the new badge technology specifically
> > for ASF badges. If someone wants to fork and resubmit or take it to
> > GitHub whatever that’s fine, but the original purpose is for the ASF
> > badge specifically.
> >
> > Should I cc them or present it on their list separately?
> >
> > New podling, new software, yes.
> >
> > Does this change your -1?
>
> I see. Well, then, I would have to say that this is the wrong place to
> have this vote, and the wrong place to have this conversation. You need
> to make a proposal over on the Incubator list. Having a vote on this
> here will have no consequence, and will not be binding on anything.
>
> That said, reinventing something just so we can have our own is not
> something I'm a fan of, but if that's interesting to you, I'm certainly
> not going to say no, either.
>
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:04 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > <ma...@rcbowen.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/6/21 10:57 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > > I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder
> > buffers and more
> > > experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s input,
> Brett
> > > Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be turned
> into a
> > > proposal of some kind, incubator or other, depending on where it
> > is most
> > > appropriated.
> > >
> > > Calling a vote yes or no to create a formal application for
> > project hosting
> > > in the ASF for the PoC.
> > >
> > > PoC success criteria TBD.
> > >
> > > I’ve proposed one podling before, but I’m rusty on this process.
> > >
> > > Ready to dedicate resources to this project.
> >
> > -1 - this is not podling material. Podlings are for software project
> to
> > be hosted at the Foundation. This is not a software project. It is
> > standing up a service with an existing externally-developed software
> > project - unless I am completely misunderstanding what you're trying
> to
> > do here.
> >
> > What I understood from the entire thread is that you wish to run a
> > badge
> > service, using Badgr (or other similar existing software project).
> >
> > Have I completely misunderstood your intent?
> >
> > If you do, in fact, intend to start a *new* software project to
> develop
> > a badge solution, and make that an Apache project, this is not the
> > place
> > to have that conversation. That would be over on the Incubator
> > mailing list.
> >
> > --
> > Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com <ma...@rcbowen.com>
> > @rbowen
> >
> > --
> > Thank you, Matthew
>
> --
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> @rbowen
>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 4/6/21 11:16 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> 1) if rather build my own badge software from scratch for the ASF badge
> use specifically.
>
> It is indeed a software project, and yes you’ve fully misunderstood as
> you mentioned, WADR.
>
> Whether or not infra decides to use the software will be based on the
> usefulness of the Podling PoC for the new badge technology specifically
> for ASF badges. If someone wants to fork and resubmit or take it to
> GitHub whatever that’s fine, but the original purpose is for the ASF
> badge specifically.
>
> Should I cc them or present it on their list separately?
>
> New podling, new software, yes.
>
> Does this change your -1?
I see. Well, then, I would have to say that this is the wrong place to
have this vote, and the wrong place to have this conversation. You need
to make a proposal over on the Incubator list. Having a vote on this
here will have no consequence, and will not be binding on anything.
That said, reinventing something just so we can have our own is not
something I'm a fan of, but if that's interesting to you, I'm certainly
not going to say no, either.
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:04 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
> <ma...@rcbowen.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 4/6/21 10:57 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder
> buffers and more
> > experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s input, Brett
> > Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be turned into a
> > proposal of some kind, incubator or other, depending on where it
> is most
> > appropriated.
> >
> > Calling a vote yes or no to create a formal application for
> project hosting
> > in the ASF for the PoC.
> >
> > PoC success criteria TBD.
> >
> > I’ve proposed one podling before, but I’m rusty on this process.
> >
> > Ready to dedicate resources to this project.
>
> -1 - this is not podling material. Podlings are for software project to
> be hosted at the Foundation. This is not a software project. It is
> standing up a service with an existing externally-developed software
> project - unless I am completely misunderstanding what you're trying to
> do here.
>
> What I understood from the entire thread is that you wish to run a
> badge
> service, using Badgr (or other similar existing software project).
>
> Have I completely misunderstood your intent?
>
> If you do, in fact, intend to start a *new* software project to develop
> a badge solution, and make that an Apache project, this is not the
> place
> to have that conversation. That would be over on the Incubator
> mailing list.
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com <ma...@rcbowen.com>
> @rbowen
>
> --
> Thank you, Matthew
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
1) if rather build my own badge software from scratch for the ASF badge use
specifically.
It is indeed a software project, and yes you’ve fully misunderstood as you
mentioned, WADR.
Whether or not infra decides to use the software will be based on the
usefulness of the Podling PoC for the new badge technology specifically for
ASF badges. If someone wants to fork and resubmit or take it to GitHub
whatever that’s fine, but the original purpose is for the ASF badge
specifically.
Should I cc them or present it on their list separately?
New podling, new software, yes.
Does this change your -1?
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:04 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/6/21 10:57 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder buffers and
> more
> > experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s input, Brett
> > Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be turned into a
> > proposal of some kind, incubator or other, depending on where it is most
> > appropriated.
> >
> > Calling a vote yes or no to create a formal application for project
> hosting
> > in the ASF for the PoC.
> >
> > PoC success criteria TBD.
> >
> > I’ve proposed one podling before, but I’m rusty on this process.
> >
> > Ready to dedicate resources to this project.
>
> -1 - this is not podling material. Podlings are for software project to
> be hosted at the Foundation. This is not a software project. It is
> standing up a service with an existing externally-developed software
> project - unless I am completely misunderstanding what you're trying to
> do here.
>
> What I understood from the entire thread is that you wish to run a badge
> service, using Badgr (or other similar existing software project).
>
> Have I completely misunderstood your intent?
>
> If you do, in fact, intend to start a *new* software project to develop
> a badge solution, and make that an Apache project, this is not the place
> to have that conversation. That would be over on the Incubator mailing
> list.
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> @rbowen
>
--
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 4/6/21 10:57 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder buffers and more
> experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s input, Brett
> Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be turned into a
> proposal of some kind, incubator or other, depending on where it is most
> appropriated.
>
> Calling a vote yes or no to create a formal application for project hosting
> in the ASF for the PoC.
>
> PoC success criteria TBD.
>
> I’ve proposed one podling before, but I’m rusty on this process.
>
> Ready to dedicate resources to this project.
-1 - this is not podling material. Podlings are for software project to
be hosted at the Foundation. This is not a software project. It is
standing up a service with an existing externally-developed software
project - unless I am completely misunderstanding what you're trying to
do here.
What I understood from the entire thread is that you wish to run a badge
service, using Badgr (or other similar existing software project).
Have I completely misunderstood your intent?
If you do, in fact, intend to start a *new* software project to develop
a badge solution, and make that an Apache project, this is not the place
to have that conversation. That would be over on the Incubator mailing list.
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
(X) This should be formalized
( ) this should not be formalized or proposed because:
I vote +1 formalize a proposal for project hosting.
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:57 AM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
wrote:
> I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder buffers and
> more experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s input, Brett
> Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be turned into a
> proposal of some kind, incubator or other, depending on where it is most
> appropriated.
>
> Calling a vote yes or no to create a formal application for project
> hosting in the ASF for the PoC.
>
> PoC success criteria TBD.
>
> I’ve proposed one podling before, but I’m rusty on this process.
>
> Ready to dedicate resources to this project.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:47 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 14:27, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> a écrit :
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/6/21 3:59 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>> > > Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 02:56, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>> a
>> > > écrit :
>> > >
>> > >> The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded?...
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > IMO the only fair and "safe" way is to have factual badges. Things
>> like
>> > > "committer", "PMC member", "took the ASF media training" etc which are
>> > all
>> > > facts.
>> >
>> > Counterpoint: That's incredibly boring, and kind of negates the purpose
>> > of doing a fun thing in the first place...
>> >
>>
>> Ok, I have zero experience with that but I am willing to learn and enjoy,
>> as long as the whole thing is clearly presented as tongue in cheek and
>> made
>> for fun.
>>
>> Bertrand
>>
> --
> Thank you, Matthew
>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
I’m not sure wtf it doing but this GT relying on the elder buffers and more
experienced guidance (specifically Mark Thomas, JimJag’s input, Brett
Porter) here goes: can we vote yes or no should this be turned into a
proposal of some kind, incubator or other, depending on where it is most
appropriated.
Calling a vote yes or no to create a formal application for project hosting
in the ASF for the PoC.
PoC success criteria TBD.
I’ve proposed one podling before, but I’m rusty on this process.
Ready to dedicate resources to this project.
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:47 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 14:27, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> a écrit :
>
> >
> >
> > On 4/6/21 3:59 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > > Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 02:56, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> a
> > > écrit :
> > >
> > >> The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded?...
> > >>
> > >
> > > IMO the only fair and "safe" way is to have factual badges. Things like
> > > "committer", "PMC member", "took the ASF media training" etc which are
> > all
> > > facts.
> >
> > Counterpoint: That's incredibly boring, and kind of negates the purpose
> > of doing a fun thing in the first place...
> >
>
> Ok, I have zero experience with that but I am willing to learn and enjoy,
> as long as the whole thing is clearly presented as tongue in cheek and made
> for fun.
>
> Bertrand
>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 14:27, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> a écrit :
>
>
> On 4/6/21 3:59 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 02:56, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> a
> > écrit :
> >
> >> The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded?...
> >>
> >
> > IMO the only fair and "safe" way is to have factual badges. Things like
> > "committer", "PMC member", "took the ASF media training" etc which are
> all
> > facts.
>
> Counterpoint: That's incredibly boring, and kind of negates the purpose
> of doing a fun thing in the first place...
>
Ok, I have zero experience with that but I am willing to learn and enjoy,
as long as the whole thing is clearly presented as tongue in cheek and made
for fun.
Bertrand
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 4/6/21 3:59 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 02:56, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> a
> écrit :
>
>> The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded?...
>>
>
> IMO the only fair and "safe" way is to have factual badges. Things like
> "committer", "PMC member", "took the ASF media training" etc which are all
> facts.
Counterpoint: That's incredibly boring, and kind of negates the purpose
of doing a fun thing in the first place.
Have a look at https://badges.fedoraproject.org/ and the mix of factual
and whimsical badges. This is *NOT* a proof of work system. It's a
community development, encouraging/celebrating contribution system.
If it's just a list of accomplishments, well, Kibble already does that.
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 4/6/21 9:04 AM, Andrew Wetmore wrote:
> I am not dead sure, but I think this is the first comment in this
> conversation that there should be a chance to opt out of such a structure.
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:22 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Don't want to play along? Then don't! Opt out!
>>
>>
> I would go further and suggest that the whole gamification/badges thing
> should be opt-in, not opt-out. If I don't want to play, I should not find
> my name on the leaderboard.
>
> If that is in place, I have no problem at all with a badge system for those
> who want to play.
FWIW, the Fedora badge system is 100% opt-in. Some folks don't like
silly games. I like silly games. There's room for all preferences.
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 4/6/21 6:52 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> Next step is put up an incubator/podling proposal for vote?
Wait what? No, this wouldn't be a podling, if you're proposing that we
run a service like Badgr. It would just be a service that someone stands
up and runs. A podling is for a new software project, developed here at
the Foundation. I don't think that's what you're suggesting.
>
> Is it the same incubator procedure as it’s a proposed infra service?
>
> Anyone willing to mentor? Champion?
No, we don't need anything near that level of complexity. Just someone
to stand up a service.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:50 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 06/04/2021 01:56, Justin Mclean wrote:
>>
>> <snip/>
>>
>>> Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100
>> commits to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather
>> than one big one. If there a badge for emails send to lest then I’m going
>> to send more emails. I ‘m not sure that this would bee a positive gain for
>> the community.
>>
>> +1 - I have similar concerns.
>>
>> Now, if there was a way to take advantage of people's tendency to want
>> more badges / a higher score to encourage behaviour that is a positive
>> benefit to the community then that could be very interesting. I am
>> thinking along the lines of Stackoverflow's reputation (although I
>> recognise that that is not without issues). The biggest challenge is
>> that it would need to work with mailing lists.
>>
>> Maybe get a project, or a small number of projects, involved to run
>> pilots of various schemes to see what works and what does not.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:50 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 06/04/2021 01:56, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
> <snip/>
>
> > Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100
> commits to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather
> than one big one. If there a badge for emails send to lest then I’m going
> to send more emails. I ‘m not sure that this would bee a positive gain for
> the community
In my experience if you send 100 not-useful commits to appear active on an
ASF project you will
a) have your commits rejected
b) potentially kick banned from the project for the extra overhead on the
other volunteers
That being said, the badge doesn’t have to show how many commits you have
or how active you are in the project, just that you’re on the project and
your role.
>
>
> +1 - I have similar concerns.
>
> Now, if there was a way to take advantage of people's tendency to want
> more badges / a higher score to encourage behaviour that is a positive
> benefit to the community then that could be very interesting. I am
> thinking along the lines of Stackoverflow's reputation (although I
> recognise that that is not without issues). The biggest challenge is
> that it would need to work with mailing lists.
Please elaborate, how would it need to work with mailing lists?
>
>
> Maybe get a project, or a small number of projects, involved to run
> pilots of various schemes to see what works and what does not.
Good idea.
Where do we build a PoC for an Infra service?
Can anyone from infra shed light?
>
> Mark
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AW: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
So, I generally agree with all of you:
1) I like the Idea of Badges
2) I dislike the way they could cause email/commit noise and discourage people from contributing.
I'll never forget my first visit to: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html when I became a committer.
I'll never forget what I thought when seeing some of these other committers entries ... especially when they became (godlike) two-lined ones ;-)
But how about something like Badges for special situations a project runs into or for doing special tasks a project has?
- Being a Release Manager for a release
- Mentoring new Folks
- Saving the day for a problem a project is stuck on
- Helping a project in other ways (Councelling, Mediation, ...)
- I bet we also have ASF-Wide things we could say "thanks" with, by giving Badges (Conference work, Social Media Work, ...)
These could be badges the PMC or the respective groups vote on as form of recognition. And they could allow awarding folks doing important work, which doesn't directly map to numbers of commits/lines of code changed. I mean ... Assuming someone helps on a user list a lot with questions people have. Voting him in as a Committer and PPMC will probably not make him gain a significant merit based on commits, but if we had forms of recognition for this sort of thing, I think it would be a good motivation.
The Release-Manager badge might encourage more people to be motivated to learn how to do releases. I know several projects where the number of folks able to do a release is very limited.
Mentoring new Folks (even on TLPs) is hard work, would be a nice form of recognition.
Currently I see that people tend to vote in people coming from other projects for helping them with some tricky problems in a committer or PMC, if they help with big challenges a project is having. This might not be the ideal form of showing gratitude. A badge however might be exactly the right form.
Chris
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On 06/04/2021 01:56, Justin Mclean wrote:
<snip/>
> Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100 commits to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather than one big one. If there a badge for emails send to lest then I’m going to send more emails. I ‘m not sure that this would bee a positive gain for the community.
+1 - I have similar concerns.
Now, if there was a way to take advantage of people's tendency to want more badges / a higher score to encourage behaviour that is a positive benefit to the community then that could be very interesting. I am thinking along the lines of Stackoverflow's reputation (although I recognise that that is not without issues). The biggest challenge is that it would need to work with mailing lists.
Maybe get a project, or a small number of projects, involved to run pilots of various schemes to see what works and what does not.
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
Next step is put up an incubator/podling proposal for vote?
Is it the same incubator procedure as it’s a proposed infra service?
Anyone willing to mentor? Champion?
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:50 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 06/04/2021 01:56, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
> <snip/>
>
> > Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100
> commits to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather
> than one big one. If there a badge for emails send to lest then I’m going
> to send more emails. I ‘m not sure that this would bee a positive gain for
> the community.
>
> +1 - I have similar concerns.
>
> Now, if there was a way to take advantage of people's tendency to want
> more badges / a higher score to encourage behaviour that is a positive
> benefit to the community then that could be very interesting. I am
> thinking along the lines of Stackoverflow's reputation (although I
> recognise that that is not without issues). The biggest challenge is
> that it would need to work with mailing lists.
>
> Maybe get a project, or a small number of projects, involved to run
> pilots of various schemes to see what works and what does not.
>
> Mark
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 06/04/2021 01:56, Justin Mclean wrote:
<snip/>
> Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100 commits to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather than one big one. If there a badge for emails send to lest then I’m going to send more emails. I ‘m not sure that this would bee a positive gain for the community.
+1 - I have similar concerns.
Now, if there was a way to take advantage of people's tendency to want
more badges / a higher score to encourage behaviour that is a positive
benefit to the community then that could be very interesting. I am
thinking along the lines of Stackoverflow's reputation (although I
recognise that that is not without issues). The biggest challenge is
that it would need to work with mailing lists.
Maybe get a project, or a small number of projects, involved to run
pilots of various schemes to see what works and what does not.
Mark
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Andrew Wetmore <an...@apache.org>.
I am not dead sure, but I think this is the first comment in this
conversation that there should be a chance to opt out of such a structure.
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:22 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
> Don't want to play along? Then don't! Opt out!
>
>
I would go further and suggest that the whole gamification/badges thing
should be opt-in, not opt-out. If I don't want to play, I should not find
my name on the leaderboard.
If that is in place, I have no problem at all with a badge system for those
who want to play.
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
Wow. People are really taking this whimsical suggestion super-seriously
On 4/5/21 8:56 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Other foundations such as the linux foundation do have badges for their training courses and certification[1], but I don’t know of any that have badges for making contributions. Openhub does track contribution and awards people a kudos score and badges based on contribution. e.g. [2]
https://badges.fedoraproject.org/
This is the one that I referred to in my initial response.
I'd encourage folks to have a look at the kind of badges that are
available: https://badges.fedoraproject.org/explore/badges
>
> One down side I see badges may make it harder for part time contributors as they get less recognition. People who are paid full time to work on a project will most likely find it easier to gain badges. While this already happens to some extent with projects with high committer bars, it could further demotivate people who can only contribute occassionally. This is likely to impact on the diversity of contributors, and further increase bias. Some of this may depend on how the badge system is designed and if it weighted more towards new contributors or people who been around on a project for some time.
Yeah, badge systems have a big of a bootup process.
But the *point* of badges is that some people will see them as an
incentive to participate more. Awesome! And some people won't! Good for
them, too.
> The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded? Automatically issuing badges on X commits, on x mails to a mailing list, or when becoming a PMC member or committer seems possible but is likely to be some work. For instance, what if the person doesn’t have an apache id?
Yes. Those things. And for attending a meetup. And for helping a
stranger. And for wearing a funny hat. They're for fun, not for any kind
of serious authentication or proof of work.
Have a look at the Fedora badges. They include stuff like "Attended
Flock 2016" and "Danced with Toshio" (no, really
https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/dancing-with-toshio )
Some of them are more serious (first merged PR, 10th merged PR,
Contributed to Docs, that sort of thing).
Don't have an apache id and want to participate? Get an apache id. We're
not stingy with them.
Don't want to play along? Then don't! Opt out!
> Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100 commits to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather than one big one. If there a badge for emails send to lest then I’m going to send more emails. I ‘m not sure that this would bee a positive gain for the community.
Yes, some people game it. So what? They're just for fun. They encourage
some people to achieve things that they might not otherwise. They
celebrate achievements.
> I do see some merit in having badges for committership, PMC membership and the like. These days most digital badges can be shared on linked in and other social media platforms and doing so may help promote the ASF and how it operates.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
> 1. https://training.linuxfoundation.org/badges-2/ <https://training.linuxfoundation.org/badges-2/>
> 2. https://www.openhub.net/p/apache-spark/users <https://www.openhub.net/p/apache-spark/users>
>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Johan Corveleyn <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:30 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org> wrote:
...
> I think I can safely say now , I won't take part on this subject any
> more, and I don't like your attitude and tone one bit, independently
> of what happens to this idea, which may end up being good for ASF.. or
> not, yet you seem to be trying to lobby it here instead of promoting
> healthy debate.
Yes, it's a pity that the first non-+1-yay-cheer-post is put down like
this. Instead of carefully listening to someone having an alternative
viewpoint and having a healthy debate.
I want to thank you Daniel for sending your initial post. I more or
less felt the same way (and no, not because of some personal incident
or anything like that), but didn't have the energy / courage to send
that first "hmmm, I don't quite agree" mail. After your mail I felt
the bar was low enough for me to also send in my opinion. Little did I
expect the opposing viewpoint(s) to be burned down like this.
Anyway: I don't want to stand in anyone's way either, so "do what you
cannot resist". I happen not to like such badges, but I guess some
people do. But please, like Rich also said, don't take it too
seriously. Don't make resume builders out of it. I wouldn't like
people to be waving with their badges just to emphasize that their
opinion has so much more weight or something like that.
Also, if you're talking about number of PR's, patches, LOC, commits,
mails, whatever ... I'm not a big fan of such metrics, period. Of
course I applaud people doing lots of visible quality work with big
code changes or doc / website changes or ..., that's fantastic; but I
really take my hat off for the single-line change that fixes a
hard-to-reproduce, incredibly annoying heisenbug that took someone two
months to pinpoint, and that no one of the big-churn-developers wanted
to dig his teeth in. Visible, measurable change: 1 LOC -- effect:
gigantic.
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>.
First I want to appreciate Craig, Tim and others who tried to
understand what I said instead of just disregarding a simple opinion
like mine right away, for some people like me, wording may not be my
forte (specially since english is not my native language), but they
read it and tried to understand what I tried to express.
I just gave my opinion about the subject and what I think the digital
awards, badges, etc mean for me and expose the reason why, not trying
to put down anything, not based on any bad personal experience or
trauma.
As a matter of fact one of the things I thought about when I read the
this merits idea is that I saw someone was offered committer access
recently and she declined access, rightly so since it does not
involve any obligation, but committer access, like Bertrand says is a
factual merit, it gives you access to commit code, yet this person
declined it because she didn't know how much time would she be able to
dedicate to the project, although committer does not obligate you do
do anything, she perceived it like so (I am simplifying the case
here). This and corporate policies of companies I worked for, which
more often than not end up showing a nice signature in emails but
practically when you deal with the person mean nothing.
Jarek stated his opinion brilliantly in favour of this digital merit,
award idea, for me his points are valid, yet what I try to say, if I
may..., is I prefer what Bertrand said, what we already have,
committer, PMC, secretary, etc are factual and are already set in
place, yet digital, vapour merits, in my opinion, could end up being
counterproductive. You don't like my opinion? That's perfectly fine.
Rich Bowen mentioned an alternative, disregarded instantly. I even
liked Daniel Gruno's cheeky idea.
Yet you, Mathew, said I was trying to put down the idea down and that
I was basing my opinion on some bad personal experience, just to end
up saying you didn't understand anything I said by saying "Because it
was unintelligible nonsense With all due respect", showing some clear
lack of respect just as you disregarded my opinion in the first place
for not aligning exactly with yours.
I think I can safely say now , I won't take part on this subject any
more, and I don't like your attitude and tone one bit, independently
of what happens to this idea, which may end up being good for ASF.. or
not, yet you seem to be trying to lobby it here instead of promoting
healthy debate.
El mar, 6 abr 2021 a las 12:40, Matthew Sacks
(<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
>
> Because it was unintelligible nonsense.
> WADR.
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:58 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Matthew,
> >
> > Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight
> > words.
> >
> > If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges.
> >
> > Your snarky response is not a good example of healthy community discussion.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > > On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your input.
> > >
> > > “I don’t like it” is your only reason?
> > >
> > > Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> > >> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> > >> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> > >> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> > >> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> > >> opposite, which is worse.
> > >>
> > >> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> > >> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> > >> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> > >> this kind of "corporate encouragement".
> > >>
> > >> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> > >> does not make me like it anyway.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers.
> > >>
> > >> El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks
> > >> (<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
> > >>>
> > >>> If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > >>>>> So far response has been more yay than nay.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Vote?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up
> > >>>> and maintain it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should
> > >>>> host for the Foundation.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge,
> > >> based
> > >>>> on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is
> > >>>> that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it
> > and
> > >>>> keep it alive.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> This sounds cool!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wow, I like this idea very much!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Best Regards
> > >>>>>>> ---------------
> > >>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> > >>>>>>> Lidong Dai
> > >>>>>>> dailidong66@gmail.com
> > >>>>>>> ---------------
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <
> > >> matthew@matthewsacks.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s
> > >> themselves.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> J.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
> > >>>>>> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate
> > >> the
> > >>>>>> badge
> > >>>>>>>>>> authenticity?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
> > >>>>>> what
> > >>>>>>>> many
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
> > >>>>>> boxes
> > >>>>>>>>> btw!)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
> > >>>>>> have
> > >>>>>>>>>> access
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>> them.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which
> > >>>>>> has a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
> > >>>>>> developer
> > >>>>>>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
> > >>>>>> Kibble
> > >>>>>>>> into
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Badgr.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch*
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>>> times
> > >>>>>>>>>>> over. :D
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --Rich
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
> > >>>>>> ApacheCon
> > >>>>>>>>> every
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
> > >>>>>> generic
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
> > >>>>>> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So
> > >>>>>> like
> > >>>>>>>>>> other
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
> > >>>>>> badge. It
> > >>>>>>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
> > >>>>>> contributions
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
> > >>>>>> based
> > >>>>>>>> on
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
> > >>>>>> done?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
> > >>>>>> badges
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - year joined
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
> > >>>>>> with:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
> > >>>>>> “brand”
> > >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and
> > >>>>>> IT
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
> > >>>>>> available
> > >>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> > >>>>>>>>> individuals
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
> > >>>>>> validated by
> > >>>>>>>> an
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding
> > >>>>>> or
> > >>>>>>>>>> JimJag’s
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
> > >>>>>>>>> expanding
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
> > >>>>>> views, and
> > >>>>>>>>>> more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
> > >>>>>>>>> (probably
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not),
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>> show
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporations will
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
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> > >> dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>> @rbowen
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>> +48 660 796 129
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Rich Bowen
> > >>>> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > >>>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Daniel Ferradal
> > >> HTTPD Project
> > >> #httpd help at Freenode
> > >>
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> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > clr@apache.org
> >
> >
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
Because it was unintelligible nonsense.
WADR.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:58 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Matthew,
>
> Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight
> words.
>
> If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges.
>
> Your snarky response is not a good example of healthy community discussion.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> > “I don’t like it” is your only reason?
> >
> > Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> >> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> >> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> >> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> >> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> >> opposite, which is worse.
> >>
> >> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> >> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> >> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> >> this kind of "corporate encouragement".
> >>
> >> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> >> does not make me like it anyway.
> >>
> >> Cheers.
> >>
> >> El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks
> >> (<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
> >>>
> >>> If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> >>>>> So far response has been more yay than nay.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vote?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
> >>>>
> >>>> There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up
> >>>> and maintain it.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should
> >>>> host for the Foundation.
> >>>>
> >>>> My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge,
> >> based
> >>>> on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is
> >>>> that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it
> and
> >>>> keep it alive.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> This sounds cool!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wow, I like this idea very much!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best Regards
> >>>>>>> ---------------
> >>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> >>>>>>> Lidong Dai
> >>>>>>> dailidong66@gmail.com
> >>>>>>> ---------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <
> >> matthew@matthewsacks.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s
> >> themselves.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> J.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
> >>>>>> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate
> >> the
> >>>>>> badge
> >>>>>>>>>> authenticity?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> >>>>>>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
> >>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>> many
> >>>>>>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
> >>>>>> boxes
> >>>>>>>>> btw!)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>> access
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which
> >>>>>> has a
> >>>>>>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
> >>>>>> developer
> >>>>>>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
> >>>>>> Kibble
> >>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>>> Badgr.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch*
> >> of
> >>>>>>>> times
> >>>>>>>>>>> over. :D
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --Rich
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
> >>>>>> ApacheCon
> >>>>>>>>> every
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
> >>>>>> generic
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
> >>>>>> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So
> >>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
> >>>>>> badge. It
> >>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
> >>>>>> contributions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
> >>>>>> based
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
> >>>>>> done?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
> >>>>>> badges
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - year joined
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
> >>>>>> with:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
> >>>>>> “brand”
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and
> >>>>>> IT
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
> >>>>>> available
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> >>>>>>>>> individuals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
> >>>>>> validated by
> >>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>> JimJag’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
> >>>>>>>>> expanding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
> >>>>>> views, and
> >>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
> >>>>>>>>> (probably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> show
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporations will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> >> dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> @rbowen
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> +48 660 796 129
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Rich Bowen
> >>>> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Daniel Ferradal
> >> HTTPD Project
> >> #httpd help at Freenode
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>
> >> --
> > Thank you, Matthew
>
> Craig L Russell
> clr@apache.org
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> --
Thank you, Matthew
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:47 PM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi -
>
> I perceived sarcasm from you as well.
What does that have to do with a new product? Let’s focus on meaningful
work, not assassinating character because we don’t like, or like an idea.
>
>
> I’m personally unsure about the best way to earn Apache merit badges.
>
> I would say that the metrics for badges ought not parallel too much other
> merit measures like committer, PMC, membership, and the rest. If too close
> then there will be questions for PMCs which naturally differ on
> measurements for committers and PMC membership in their community.
ASF participation is public, and apparent; the badge reflects the work.
>
>
> Something like emails, commit lines, issues, etcetera.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 5, 2021, at 5:24 PM, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > If you think there’s snark in my reply, you’ve misinterpreted it as I’m
> > dead serious. Instead of letting personal opinions on awards because of
> > what sounds like a bad personal experience indicates to me the real
> > benefit if the proposal was missed, and why put down an idea that
> promotes
> > pride in one's work?
> >
> > That is not the ASF I know.
> > The ASF I know is board members personally showing me around when I had a
> > very uninteresting project that turned into a podling.
> >
> > It helps encourage involvement in contributions to open source, the whole
> > point of the badge.
> >
> > Also, his assessment was completely based on personal opinion, nothing to
> > do with benefit or no benefit to the ASF.
> >
> > Putting down good ideas is more damaging to focus soon than me asking for
> > real facts when presented with personal convictions.
> >
> > Thanks for the etiquette suggestion.
> >
> > Regardless of your suggestions, on etiquette, It seems the majority is in
> > favor.
> >
> > So now we vote?
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:58 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew,
> >>
> >> Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight
> >> words.
> >>
> >> If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges.
> >>
> >> Your snarky response is not a good example of healthy community
> discussion.
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your input.
> >>>
> >>> “I don’t like it” is your only reason?
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> >>>> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> >>>> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> >>>> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> >>>> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> >>>> opposite, which is worse.
> >>>>
> >>>> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> >>>> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> >>>> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> >>>> this kind of "corporate encouragement".
> >>>>
> >>>> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> >>>> does not make me like it anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers.
> >>>>
> >>>> El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks
> >>>> (<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> >>>>>>> So far response has been more yay than nay.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vote?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this
> up
> >>>>>> and maintain it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they
> should
> >>>>>> host for the Foundation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge,
> >>>> based
> >>>>>> on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course,
> is
> >>>>>> that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it
> >> and
> >>>>>> keep it alive.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement,
> maybe.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This sounds cool!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wow, I like this idea very much!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best Regards
> >>>>>>>>> ---------------
> >>>>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> >>>>>>>>> Lidong Dai
> >>>>>>>>> dailidong66@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> ---------------
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <
> >>>> matthew@matthewsacks.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s
> >>>> themselves.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> J.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
> >>>>>>>> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> badge
> >>>>>>>>>>>> authenticity?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly
> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
> >>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>> many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
> >>>>>>>> boxes
> >>>>>>>>>>> btw!)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> access
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a
> bunch
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/
> which
> >>>>>>>> has a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
> >>>>>>>> developer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
> >>>>>>>> Kibble
> >>>>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Badgr.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch*
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> times
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> over. :D
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --Rich
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
> >>>>>>>> ApacheCon
> >>>>>>>>>>> every
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
> >>>>>>>> generic
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
> >>>>>>>> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit.
> So
> >>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
> >>>>>>>> badge. It
> >>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
> >>>>>>>> contributions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m
> proposing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
> >>>>>>>> based
> >>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
> >>>>>>>> done?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
> >>>>>>>> badges
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - year joined
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
> >>>>>>>> with:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
> >>>>>>>> “brand”
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers
> and
> >>>>>>>> IT
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
> >>>>>>>> available
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> >>>>>>>>>>> individuals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
> >>>>>>>> validated by
> >>>>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy
> Fielding
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>> JimJag’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest
> in
> >>>>>>>>>>> expanding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
> >>>>>>>> views, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe
> Apple
> >>>>>>>>>>> (probably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor
> badge
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> show
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporations will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> >>>> dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> @rbowen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> +48 660 796 129
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Rich Bowen
> >>>>>> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Daniel Ferradal
> >>>> HTTPD Project
> >>>> #httpd help at Freenode
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>
> >> Craig L Russell
> >> clr@apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>
> >> --
> > Thank you, Matthew
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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Thank you, Matthew
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi -
I perceived sarcasm from you as well.
I’m personally unsure about the best way to earn Apache merit badges.
I would say that the metrics for badges ought not parallel too much other merit measures like committer, PMC, membership, and the rest. If too close then there will be questions for PMCs which naturally differ on measurements for committers and PMC membership in their community.
Something like emails, commit lines, issues, etcetera.
Just my thoughts.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 5:24 PM, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com> wrote:
>
> If you think there’s snark in my reply, you’ve misinterpreted it as I’m
> dead serious. Instead of letting personal opinions on awards because of
> what sounds like a bad personal experience indicates to me the real
> benefit if the proposal was missed, and why put down an idea that promotes
> pride in one's work?
>
> That is not the ASF I know.
> The ASF I know is board members personally showing me around when I had a
> very uninteresting project that turned into a podling.
>
> It helps encourage involvement in contributions to open source, the whole
> point of the badge.
>
> Also, his assessment was completely based on personal opinion, nothing to
> do with benefit or no benefit to the ASF.
>
> Putting down good ideas is more damaging to focus soon than me asking for
> real facts when presented with personal convictions.
>
> Thanks for the etiquette suggestion.
>
> Regardless of your suggestions, on etiquette, It seems the majority is in
> favor.
>
> So now we vote?
>
>
>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:58 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Matthew,
>>
>> Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight
>> words.
>>
>> If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges.
>>
>> Your snarky response is not a good example of healthy community discussion.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>
>>> “I don’t like it” is your only reason?
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
>>>> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
>>>> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
>>>> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
>>>> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
>>>> opposite, which is worse.
>>>>
>>>> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
>>>> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
>>>> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
>>>> this kind of "corporate encouragement".
>>>>
>>>> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
>>>> does not make me like it anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks
>>>> (<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
>>>>>>> So far response has been more yay than nay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vote?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up
>>>>>> and maintain it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should
>>>>>> host for the Foundation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge,
>>>> based
>>>>>> on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is
>>>>>> that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it
>> and
>>>>>> keep it alive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This sounds cool!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wow, I like this idea very much!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
>>>>>>>>> Lidong Dai
>>>>>>>>> dailidong66@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <
>>>> matthew@matthewsacks.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s
>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
>>>>>>>> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> badge
>>>>>>>>>>>> authenticity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
>>>>>>>> boxes
>>>>>>>>>>> btw!)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which
>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
>>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
>>>>>>>> Kibble
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Badgr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch*
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over. :D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
>>>>>>>> ApacheCon
>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
>>>>>>>> generic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
>>>>>>>> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
>>>>>>>> badge. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
>>>>>>>> contributions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
>>>>>>>> done?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
>>>>>>>> badges
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - year joined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
>>>>>>>> with:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
>>>>>>>> “brand”
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and
>>>>>>>> IT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
>>>>>>>>>>> individuals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
>>>>>>>> validated by
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> JimJag’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
>>>>>>>>>>> expanding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
>>>>>>>> views, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> (probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporations will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
>>>> dev-help@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> @rbowen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> +48 660 796 129
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Rich Bowen
>>>>>> rbowen@rcbowen.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Daniel Ferradal
>>>> HTTPD Project
>>>> #httpd help at Freenode
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> clr@apache.org
>>
>>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Tim Williams <wi...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:24 PM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
wrote:
> If you think there’s snark in my reply, you’ve misinterpreted it as I’m
> dead serious. Instead of letting personal opinions on awards because of
> what sounds like a bad personal experience indicates to me the real
> benefit if the proposal was missed, and why put down an idea that promotes
> pride in one's work?
>
he gave you reasons why. I wonder if you could try to rephrase what you
have understood him to say? I sense a disconnect that this might be helpful
for.
> That is not the ASF I know.
> The ASF I know is board members personally showing me around when I had a
> very uninteresting project that turned into a podling.
>
> It helps encourage involvement in contributions to open source, the whole
> point of the badge.
>
> Also, his assessment was completely based on personal opinion, nothing to
> do with benefit or no benefit to the ASF.
His assessment happens to align with modern motivation theory afaict.
>
> Putting down good ideas is more damaging to focus soon than me asking for
> real facts when presented with personal convictions.
He’s not putting down a good idea so much as assessing the goodness of an
idea. What you offered was an idea - not necessarily a *good* idea, that
it seems is still being considered.
>
>
> Thanks for the etiquette suggestion.
>
> Regardless of your suggestions, on etiquette, It seems the majority is in
> favor.
>
> So now we vote?
Do what you want but I’d encourage you to let the world turn a couple more
times first.
Responding to Dave and others response about using metrics other than our
typical roles instead reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon:)
https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-11-13
Thanks
—tim
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:58 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Matthew,
> >
> > Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight
> > words.
> >
> > If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges.
> >
> > Your snarky response is not a good example of healthy community
> discussion.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > > On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your input.
> > >
> > > “I don’t like it” is your only reason?
> > >
> > > Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> > >> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> > >> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> > >> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> > >> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> > >> opposite, which is worse.
> > >>
> > >> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> > >> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> > >> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> > >> this kind of "corporate encouragement".
> > >>
> > >> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> > >> does not make me like it anyway.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers.
> > >>
> > >> El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks
> > >> (<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
> > >>>
> > >>> If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > >>>>> So far response has been more yay than nay.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Vote?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this
> up
> > >>>> and maintain it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they
> should
> > >>>> host for the Foundation.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge,
> > >> based
> > >>>> on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course,
> is
> > >>>> that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it
> > and
> > >>>> keep it alive.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement,
> maybe.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> This sounds cool!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wow, I like this idea very much!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Best Regards
> > >>>>>>> ---------------
> > >>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> > >>>>>>> Lidong Dai
> > >>>>>>> dailidong66@gmail.com
> > >>>>>>> ---------------
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <
> > >> matthew@matthewsacks.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s
> > >> themselves.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> J.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
> > >>>>>> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate
> > >> the
> > >>>>>> badge
> > >>>>>>>>>> authenticity?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly
> more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
> > >>>>>> what
> > >>>>>>>> many
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
> > >>>>>> boxes
> > >>>>>>>>> btw!)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
> > >>>>>> have
> > >>>>>>>>>> access
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a
> bunch
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>> them.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/
> which
> > >>>>>> has a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
> > >>>>>> developer
> > >>>>>>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
> > >>>>>> Kibble
> > >>>>>>>> into
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Badgr.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch*
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>>> times
> > >>>>>>>>>>> over. :D
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --Rich
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
> > >>>>>> ApacheCon
> > >>>>>>>>> every
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
> > >>>>>> generic
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
> > >>>>>> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit.
> So
> > >>>>>> like
> > >>>>>>>>>> other
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
> > >>>>>> badge. It
> > >>>>>>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
> > >>>>>> contributions
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m
> proposing.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
> > >>>>>> based
> > >>>>>>>> on
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
> > >>>>>> done?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
> > >>>>>> badges
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - year joined
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
> > >>>>>> with:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
> > >>>>>> “brand”
> > >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers
> and
> > >>>>>> IT
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
> > >>>>>> available
> > >>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> > >>>>>>>>> individuals
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
> > >>>>>> validated by
> > >>>>>>>> an
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy
> Fielding
> > >>>>>> or
> > >>>>>>>>>> JimJag’s
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest
> in
> > >>>>>>>>> expanding
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
> > >>>>>> views, and
> > >>>>>>>>>> more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe
> Apple
> > >>>>>>>>> (probably
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not),
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor
> badge
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>> show
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporations will
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > >> dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>> @rbowen
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>> +48 660 796 129
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Rich Bowen
> > >>>> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > >>>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Daniel Ferradal
> > >> HTTPD Project
> > >> #httpd help at Freenode
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>
> > >> --
> > > Thank you, Matthew
> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > clr@apache.org
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >
> > --
> Thank you, Matthew
>
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:00 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 02:56, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> a
> écrit :
>
> > The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded?..
Via an infra certified API using strict rules?
>
> IMO the only fair and "safe" way is to have factual badges. Things like
> "committer", "PMC member", "took the ASF media training" etc which are all
> facts.
Sounds good.
>
>
> Bertrand
>
> >
>
--
Thank you, Matthew
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Le mar. 6 avr. 2021 à 02:56, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> a
écrit :
> The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded?...
>
IMO the only fair and "safe" way is to have factual badges. Things like
"committer", "PMC member", "took the ASF media training" etc which are all
facts.
Bertrand
>
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Other foundations such as the linux foundation do have badges for their training courses and certification[1], but I don’t know of any that have badges for making contributions. Openhub does track contribution and awards people a kudos score and badges based on contribution. e.g. [2]
One down side I see badges may make it harder for part time contributors as they get less recognition. People who are paid full time to work on a project will most likely find it easier to gain badges. While this already happens to some extent with projects with high committer bars, it could further demotivate people who can only contribute occassionally. This is likely to impact on the diversity of contributors, and further increase bias. Some of this may depend on how the badge system is designed and if it weighted more towards new contributors or people who been around on a project for some time.
The other issue I see is how are the badges awarded? Automatically issuing badges on X commits, on x mails to a mailing list, or when becoming a PMC member or committer seems possible but is likely to be some work. For instance, what if the person doesn’t have an apache id?
Depending on the badges it might also easy to game. e.g. if I need 100 commits to get a badge, then I’m going to make lots of small commute rather than one big one. If there a badge for emails send to lest then I’m going to send more emails. I ‘m not sure that this would bee a positive gain for the community.
I do see some merit in having badges for committership, PMC membership and the like. These days most digital badges can be shared on linked in and other social media platforms and doing so may help promote the ASF and how it operates.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://training.linuxfoundation.org/badges-2/ <https://training.linuxfoundation.org/badges-2/>
2. https://www.openhub.net/p/apache-spark/users <https://www.openhub.net/p/apache-spark/users>
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
If you think there’s snark in my reply, you’ve misinterpreted it as I’m
dead serious. Instead of letting personal opinions on awards because of
what sounds like a bad personal experience indicates to me the real
benefit if the proposal was missed, and why put down an idea that promotes
pride in one's work?
That is not the ASF I know.
The ASF I know is board members personally showing me around when I had a
very uninteresting project that turned into a podling.
It helps encourage involvement in contributions to open source, the whole
point of the badge.
Also, his assessment was completely based on personal opinion, nothing to
do with benefit or no benefit to the ASF.
Putting down good ideas is more damaging to focus soon than me asking for
real facts when presented with personal convictions.
Thanks for the etiquette suggestion.
Regardless of your suggestions, on etiquette, It seems the majority is in
favor.
So now we vote?
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:58 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Matthew,
>
> Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight
> words.
>
> If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges.
>
> Your snarky response is not a good example of healthy community discussion.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> > “I don’t like it” is your only reason?
> >
> > Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> >> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> >> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> >> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> >> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> >> opposite, which is worse.
> >>
> >> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> >> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> >> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> >> this kind of "corporate encouragement".
> >>
> >> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> >> does not make me like it anyway.
> >>
> >> Cheers.
> >>
> >> El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks
> >> (<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
> >>>
> >>> If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> >>>>> So far response has been more yay than nay.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vote?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
> >>>>
> >>>> There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up
> >>>> and maintain it.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should
> >>>> host for the Foundation.
> >>>>
> >>>> My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge,
> >> based
> >>>> on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is
> >>>> that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it
> and
> >>>> keep it alive.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> This sounds cool!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wow, I like this idea very much!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best Regards
> >>>>>>> ---------------
> >>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> >>>>>>> Lidong Dai
> >>>>>>> dailidong66@gmail.com
> >>>>>>> ---------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <
> >> matthew@matthewsacks.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s
> >> themselves.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> J.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
> >>>>>> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate
> >> the
> >>>>>> badge
> >>>>>>>>>> authenticity?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> >>>>>>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
> >>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>> many
> >>>>>>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
> >>>>>> boxes
> >>>>>>>>> btw!)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>> access
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which
> >>>>>> has a
> >>>>>>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
> >>>>>> developer
> >>>>>>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
> >>>>>> Kibble
> >>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>>> Badgr.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch*
> >> of
> >>>>>>>> times
> >>>>>>>>>>> over. :D
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --Rich
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
> >>>>>> ApacheCon
> >>>>>>>>> every
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
> >>>>>> generic
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
> >>>>>> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So
> >>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
> >>>>>> badge. It
> >>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
> >>>>>> contributions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
> >>>>>> based
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
> >>>>>> done?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
> >>>>>> badges
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - year joined
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
> >>>>>> with:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
> >>>>>> “brand”
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and
> >>>>>> IT
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
> >>>>>> available
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> >>>>>>>>> individuals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
> >>>>>> validated by
> >>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>> JimJag’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
> >>>>>>>>> expanding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
> >>>>>> views, and
> >>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
> >>>>>>>>> (probably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> show
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporations will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> >> dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> @rbowen
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> +48 660 796 129
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Rich Bowen
> >>>> rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Daniel Ferradal
> >> HTTPD Project
> >> #httpd help at Freenode
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>
> >> --
> > Thank you, Matthew
>
> Craig L Russell
> clr@apache.org
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>
> --
Thank you, Matthew
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>.
Hi Matthew,
Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight words.
If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges.
Your snarky response is not a good example of healthy community discussion.
Craig
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> “I don’t like it” is your only reason?
>
> Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
>> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
>> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
>> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
>> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
>> opposite, which is worse.
>>
>> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
>> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
>> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
>> this kind of "corporate encouragement".
>>
>> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
>> does not make me like it anyway.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks
>> (<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
>>>
>>> If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
>>>>> So far response has been more yay than nay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vote?
>>>>>
>>>>> Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
>>>>
>>>> There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
>>>>
>>>> 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up
>>>> and maintain it.
>>>>
>>>> 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should
>>>> host for the Foundation.
>>>>
>>>> My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge,
>> based
>>>> on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is
>>>> that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it and
>>>> keep it alive.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This sounds cool!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wow, I like this idea very much!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
>>>>>>> Lidong Dai
>>>>>>> dailidong66@gmail.com
>>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <
>> matthew@matthewsacks.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s
>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
>>>>>> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate
>> the
>>>>>> badge
>>>>>>>>>> authenticity?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
>>>>>>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
>>>>>>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
>>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
>>>>>> boxes
>>>>>>>>> btw!)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which
>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
>>>>>> Kibble
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>> Badgr.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch*
>> of
>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>>>> over. :D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --Rich
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
>>>>>> ApacheCon
>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
>>>>>> generic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
>>>>>> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
>>>>>> badge. It
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
>>>>>> contributions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
>>>>>> done?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
>>>>>> badges
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - year joined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
>>>>>> with:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
>>>>>> “brand”
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and
>>>>>> IT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
>>>>>>>>> individuals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
>>>>>> validated by
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> JimJag’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
>>>>>>>>> expanding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
>>>>>> views, and
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
>>>>>>>>> (probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporations will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
>> dev-help@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
>>>>>>>>>>> @rbowen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> +48 660 796 129
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich Bowen
>>>> rbowen@rcbowen.com
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
Thanks for your input.
“I don’t like it” is your only reason?
Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page?
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
> opposite, which is worse.
>
> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
> this kind of "corporate encouragement".
>
> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
> does not make me like it anyway.
>
> Cheers.
>
> El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks
> (<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
> >
> > If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > > > So far response has been more yay than nay.
> > > >
> > > > Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
> > > >
> > > > Vote?
> > > >
> > > > Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
> > >
> > > There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
> > >
> > > 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up
> > > and maintain it.
> > >
> > > 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should
> > > host for the Foundation.
> > >
> > > My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge,
> based
> > > on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is
> > > that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it and
> > > keep it alive.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This sounds cool!
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> wow, I like this idea very much!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Best Regards
> > > >>> ---------------
> > > >>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> > > >>> Lidong Dai
> > > >>> dailidong66@gmail.com
> > > >>> ---------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <
> matthew@matthewsacks.com
> > > >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s
> themselves.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> J.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
> > > >> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate
> the
> > > >> badge
> > > >>>>>> authenticity?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> > > >>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
> > > >>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
> > > >>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > > >>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > > >>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
> > > >>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
> > > >> what
> > > >>>> many
> > > >>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
> > > >> boxes
> > > >>>>> btw!)
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
> > > >> have
> > > >>>>>> access
> > > >>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch
> > > >> of
> > > >>>>> them.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which
> > > >> has a
> > > >>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
> > > >> developer
> > > >>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
> > > >> Kibble
> > > >>>> into
> > > >>>>>>> Badgr.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch*
> of
> > > >>>> times
> > > >>>>>>> over. :D
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --Rich
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
> > > >> ApacheCon
> > > >>>>> every
> > > >>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
> > > >> generic
> > > >>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> J.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
> > > >> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> > > >>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > > >>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So
> > > >> like
> > > >>>>>> other
> > > >>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
> > > >> badge. It
> > > >>>>>> would
> > > >>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
> > > >> contributions
> > > >>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
> > > >> based
> > > >>>> on
> > > >>>>>>>>>> merit,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
> > > >> done?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
> > > >> badges
> > > >>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > > >>>>>>>>>> - year joined
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
> > > >> with:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > > >>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > > >>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
> > > >> “brand”
> > > >>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and
> > > >> IT
> > > >>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
> > > >> available
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> > > >>>>> individuals
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
> > > >> validated by
> > > >>>> an
> > > >>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding
> > > >> or
> > > >>>>>> JimJag’s
> > > >>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
> > > >>>>> expanding
> > > >>>>>>>>>> ASF
> > > >>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
> > > >> views, and
> > > >>>>>> more
> > > >>>>>>>>>> benefits.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
> > > >>>>> (probably
> > > >>>>>>>>>> not),
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge
> > > >> to
> > > >>>> show
> > > >>>>>>>>>> their
> > > >>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> > > >>>>>>>>>> corporations will
> > > >>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> dev-help@community.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > > >>>>>>> @rbowen
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> +48 660 796 129
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > > Thank you, Matthew
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rich Bowen
> > > rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > >
> > --
> > Thank you, Matthew
>
>
>
> --
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>
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Thank you, Matthew
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Daniel Ferradal <df...@apache.org>.
Hello,
In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands,
distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar
that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of
manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want
and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the
opposite, which is worse.
ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want,
time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work
professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using
this kind of "corporate encouragement".
I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that
does not make me like it anyway.
Cheers.
El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks
(<ma...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió:
>
> If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > > So far response has been more yay than nay.
> > >
> > > Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
> > >
> > > Vote?
> > >
> > > Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
> >
> > There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
> >
> > 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up
> > and maintain it.
> >
> > 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should
> > host for the Foundation.
> >
> > My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge, based
> > on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is
> > that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it and
> > keep it alive.
> >
> > >
> > > The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> This sounds cool!
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> wow, I like this idea very much!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Best Regards
> > >>> ---------------
> > >>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> > >>> Lidong Dai
> > >>> dailidong66@gmail.com
> > >>> ---------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <matthew@matthewsacks.com
> > >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s themselves.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> J.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
> > >> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the
> > >> badge
> > >>>>>> authenticity?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> > >>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
> > >>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
> > >>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > >>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > >>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
> > >>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
> > >> what
> > >>>> many
> > >>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
> > >> boxes
> > >>>>> btw!)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
> > >> have
> > >>>>>> access
> > >>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch
> > >> of
> > >>>>> them.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which
> > >> has a
> > >>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
> > >> developer
> > >>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
> > >> Kibble
> > >>>> into
> > >>>>>>> Badgr.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of
> > >>>> times
> > >>>>>>> over. :D
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --Rich
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
> > >> ApacheCon
> > >>>>> every
> > >>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
> > >> generic
> > >>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> J.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
> > >> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> > >>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > >>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So
> > >> like
> > >>>>>> other
> > >>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
> > >> badge. It
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
> > >> contributions
> > >>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
> > >>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > >>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
> > >> based
> > >>>> on
> > >>>>>>>>>> merit,
> > >>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
> > >> done?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
> > >> badges
> > >>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > >>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > >>>>>>>>>> - year joined
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
> > >> with:
> > >>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > >>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > >>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
> > >> “brand”
> > >>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and
> > >> IT
> > >>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
> > >> available
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> > >>>>> individuals
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
> > >> validated by
> > >>>> an
> > >>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding
> > >> or
> > >>>>>> JimJag’s
> > >>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
> > >>>>> expanding
> > >>>>>>>>>> ASF
> > >>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
> > >> views, and
> > >>>>>> more
> > >>>>>>>>>> benefits.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
> > >>>>> (probably
> > >>>>>>>>>> not),
> > >>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge
> > >> to
> > >>>> show
> > >>>>>>>>>> their
> > >>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> > >>>>>>>>>> corporations will
> > >>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > >>>>>>> @rbowen
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> +48 660 796 129
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >>
> > >> --
> > > Thank you, Matthew
> > >
> >
> > --
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> > rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> > So far response has been more yay than nay.
> >
> > Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
> >
> > Vote?
> >
> > Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
>
> There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
>
> 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up
> and maintain it.
>
> 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should
> host for the Foundation.
>
> My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge, based
> on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is
> that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it and
> keep it alive.
>
> >
> > The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This sounds cool!
> >>
> >> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> wow, I like this idea very much!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> ---------------
> >>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> >>> Lidong Dai
> >>> dailidong66@gmail.com
> >>> ---------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <matthew@matthewsacks.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s themselves.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> J.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
> >> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the
> >> badge
> >>>>>> authenticity?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> >>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
> >>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
> >>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> >>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> >>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
> >>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
> >> what
> >>>> many
> >>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
> >> boxes
> >>>>> btw!)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
> >> have
> >>>>>> access
> >>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch
> >> of
> >>>>> them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which
> >> has a
> >>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
> >> developer
> >>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
> >> Kibble
> >>>> into
> >>>>>>> Badgr.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of
> >>>> times
> >>>>>>> over. :D
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --Rich
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
> >> ApacheCon
> >>>>> every
> >>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
> >> generic
> >>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> J.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
> >> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> >>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> >>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So
> >> like
> >>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
> >> badge. It
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
> >> contributions
> >>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
> >>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> >>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
> >> based
> >>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>> merit,
> >>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
> >> done?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
> >> badges
> >>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> >>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> >>>>>>>>>> - year joined
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
> >> with:
> >>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> >>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> >>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
> >> “brand”
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and
> >> IT
> >>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
> >> available
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> >>>>> individuals
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
> >> validated by
> >>>> an
> >>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding
> >> or
> >>>>>> JimJag’s
> >>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
> >>>>> expanding
> >>>>>>>>>> ASF
> >>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
> >> views, and
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>> benefits.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
> >>>>> (probably
> >>>>>>>>>> not),
> >>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge
> >> to
> >>>> show
> >>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> >>>>>>>>>> corporations will
> >>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >>>>>>> @rbowen
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> +48 660 796 129
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>
> >> --
> > Thank you, Matthew
> >
>
> --
> Rich Bowen
> rbowen@rcbowen.com
>
--
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> So far response has been more yay than nay.
>
> Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
>
> Vote?
>
> Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here:
1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up
and maintain it.
2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should
host for the Foundation.
My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge, based
on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is
that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it and
keep it alive.
>
> The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This sounds cool!
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> wow, I like this idea very much!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> ---------------
>>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
>>> Lidong Dai
>>> dailidong66@gmail.com
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s themselves.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
>>>>>
>>>>> J.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
>> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the
>> badge
>>>>>> authenticity?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
>>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
>>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total
>>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
>>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
>>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE
>>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
>> what
>>>> many
>>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
>> boxes
>>>>> btw!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
>> have
>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch
>> of
>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which
>> has a
>>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active
>> developer
>>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
>> Kibble
>>>> into
>>>>>>> Badgr.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of
>>>> times
>>>>>>> over. :D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Rich
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I like the idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
>> ApacheCon
>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
>> generic
>>>>>>>>> "conference badge".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
>> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
>>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
>>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So
>> like
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
>> badge. It
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
>> contributions
>>>>>>>>>> (volunteer,
>>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
>>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
>> based
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> merit,
>>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
>> done?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
>> badges
>>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
>>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
>>>>>>>>>> - year joined
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
>> with:
>>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
>>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
>>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
>> “brand”
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and
>> IT
>>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software
>> available
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
>>>>> individuals
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
>> validated by
>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding
>> or
>>>>>> JimJag’s
>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
>>>>> expanding
>>>>>>>>>> ASF
>>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
>> views, and
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> benefits.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
>>>>> (probably
>>>>>>>>>> not),
>>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge
>> to
>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
>>>>>>>>>> corporations will
>>>>>>>>>> follow suit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
>>>>>>> @rbowen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> +48 660 796 129
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>
>>
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>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
So far response has been more yay than nay.
Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative?
Vote?
Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service?
The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This sounds cool!
>
> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > wow, I like this idea very much!
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards
> > ---------------
> > DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> > Lidong Dai
> > dailidong66@gmail.com
> > ---------------
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s themselves.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> > > >
> > > > J.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <
> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the
> badge
> > > > > authenticity?
> > > > >
> > > > > I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > > > > > > I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> > > > > > > tongue-in-cheek approach.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - 1,000 commits within a year
> > > > > > > - 5,000 commits in total
> > > > > > > - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > > > > > > - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > > > > > > - Caused at least one CVE
> > > > > > > - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not
> what
> > > many
> > > > > > > people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above
> boxes
> > > > btw!)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We
> have
> > > > > access
> > > > > > > to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch
> of
> > > > them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which
> has a
> > > > > > small advantage that it already exists and has an active
> developer
> > > > > > community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from
> Kibble
> > > into
> > > > > > Badgr.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of
> > > times
> > > > > > over. :D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Rich
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > > > > > >> I like the idea.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> It's very similar to what has already been done at the
> ApacheCon
> > > > every
> > > > > > >> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your
> generic
> > > > > > >> "conference badge".
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> J.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted
> <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> I like this idea.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Ted Liu
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> > > > > > >>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > > > > > >>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > > > > > >>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So
> like
> > > > > other
> > > > > > >>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit
> badge. It
> > > > > would
> > > > > > >>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and
> contributions
> > > > > > >>> (volunteer,
> > > > > > >>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > > > > > >>> Also, what projects you work on.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are
> based
> > > on
> > > > > > >>> merit,
> > > > > > >>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve
> done?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually
> badges
> > > > > > >>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > > > > > >>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > > > > > >>> - year joined
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page
> with:
> > > > > > >>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > > > > > >>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > > > > > >>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF
> “brand”
> > > and
> > > > > > >>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and
> IT
> > > > > > >>> professionals in the world helping make better software
> available
> > > > to
> > > > > > >>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> > > > individuals
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge
> validated by
> > > an
> > > > > > >>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding
> or
> > > > > JimJag’s
> > > > > > >>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
> > > > expanding
> > > > > > >>> ASF
> > > > > > >>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page
> views, and
> > > > > more
> > > > > > >>> benefits.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
> > > > (probably
> > > > > > >>> not),
> > > > > > >>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge
> to
> > > show
> > > > > > >>> their
> > > > > > >>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> > > > > > >>> corporations will
> > > > > > >>> follow suit.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Thoughts?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> --
> > > > > > >>> Thank you, Matthew
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > > > > > @rbowen
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > Thank you, Matthew
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > +48 660 796 129
> > > >
> > > --
> > > Thank you, Matthew
> > >
>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
This sounds cool!
On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> wow, I like this idea very much!
>
>
>
> Best Regards
> ---------------
> DolphinScheduler PMC chair
> Lidong Dai
> dailidong66@gmail.com
> ---------------
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s themselves.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > > AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the badge
> > > > authenticity?
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > > > > > I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> > > > > > tongue-in-cheek approach.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - 1,000 commits within a year
> > > > > > - 5,000 commits in total
> > > > > > - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > > > > > - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > > > > > - Caused at least one CVE
> > > > > > - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not what
> > many
> > > > > > people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above boxes
> > > btw!)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We have
> > > > access
> > > > > > to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch of
> > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which has a
> > > > > small advantage that it already exists and has an active developer
> > > > > community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from Kibble
> > into
> > > > > Badgr.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of
> > times
> > > > > over. :D
> > > > >
> > > > > --Rich
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > > > > >> I like the idea.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon
> > > every
> > > > > >> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic
> > > > > >> "conference badge".
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> J.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> I like this idea.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Ted Liu
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> > > > > >>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > > > > >>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > > > > >>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like
> > > > other
> > > > > >>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It
> > > > would
> > > > > >>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions
> > > > > >>> (volunteer,
> > > > > >>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > > > > >>> Also, what projects you work on.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based
> > on
> > > > > >>> merit,
> > > > > >>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> > > > > >>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > > > > >>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > > > > >>> - year joined
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> > > > > >>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > > > > >>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > > > > >>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand”
> > and
> > > > > >>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> > > > > >>> professionals in the world helping make better software available
> > > to
> > > > > >>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> > > individuals
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by
> > an
> > > > > >>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or
> > > > JimJag’s
> > > > > >>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
> > > expanding
> > > > > >>> ASF
> > > > > >>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and
> > > > more
> > > > > >>> benefits.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
> > > (probably
> > > > > >>> not),
> > > > > >>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to
> > show
> > > > > >>> their
> > > > > >>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> > > > > >>> corporations will
> > > > > >>> follow suit.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Thoughts?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> --
> > > > > >>> Thank you, Matthew
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > --
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> > > > > @rbowen
> > > > >
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> > > > Thank you, Matthew
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
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> > Thank you, Matthew
> >
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by lidong dai <da...@gmail.com>.
wow, I like this idea very much!
Best Regards
---------------
DolphinScheduler PMC chair
Lidong Dai
dailidong66@gmail.com
---------------
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
wrote:
> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s themselves.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
>
> > AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the badge
> > > authenticity?
> > >
> > > I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > > > > I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> > > > > tongue-in-cheek approach.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> > > > >
> > > > > - 1,000 commits within a year
> > > > > - 5,000 commits in total
> > > > > - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > > > > - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > > > > - Caused at least one CVE
> > > > > - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not what
> many
> > > > > people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above boxes
> > btw!)
> > > > >
> > > > > But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We have
> > > access
> > > > > to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch of
> > them.
> > > >
> > > > Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which has a
> > > > small advantage that it already exists and has an active developer
> > > > community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from Kibble
> into
> > > > Badgr.
> > > >
> > > > And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of
> times
> > > > over. :D
> > > >
> > > > --Rich
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > > > >> I like the idea.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon
> > every
> > > > >> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic
> > > > >> "conference badge".
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> > > > >>
> > > > >> J.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted <tedliu1@yahoo.com.invalid
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I like this idea.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Ted Liu
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> > > > >>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > > > >>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > > > >>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like
> > > other
> > > > >>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It
> > > would
> > > > >>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions
> > > > >>> (volunteer,
> > > > >>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > > > >>> Also, what projects you work on.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based
> on
> > > > >>> merit,
> > > > >>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> > > > >>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > > > >>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > > > >>> - year joined
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> > > > >>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > > > >>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > > > >>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand”
> and
> > > > >>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> > > > >>> professionals in the world helping make better software available
> > to
> > > > >>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> > individuals
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by
> an
> > > > >>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or
> > > JimJag’s
> > > > >>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
> > expanding
> > > > >>> ASF
> > > > >>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and
> > > more
> > > > >>> benefits.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
> > (probably
> > > > >>> not),
> > > > >>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to
> show
> > > > >>> their
> > > > >>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> > > > >>> corporations will
> > > > >>> follow suit.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thoughts?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> Thank you, Matthew
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > @rbowen
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> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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>
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s themselves.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
>
> J.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the badge
> > authenticity?
> >
> > I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > > > I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> > > > tongue-in-cheek approach.
> > > >
> > > > Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> > > >
> > > > - 1,000 commits within a year
> > > > - 5,000 commits in total
> > > > - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > > > - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > > > - Caused at least one CVE
> > > > - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> > > >
> > > > Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not what many
> > > > people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above boxes
> btw!)
> > > >
> > > > But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We have
> > access
> > > > to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch of
> them.
> > >
> > > Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which has a
> > > small advantage that it already exists and has an active developer
> > > community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from Kibble into
> > > Badgr.
> > >
> > > And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of times
> > > over. :D
> > >
> > > --Rich
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > > >> I like the idea.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon
> every
> > > >> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic
> > > >> "conference badge".
> > > >>
> > > >> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> > > >>
> > > >> J.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I like this idea.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ted Liu
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> > > >>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > > >>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > > >>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like
> > other
> > > >>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It
> > would
> > > >>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions
> > > >>> (volunteer,
> > > >>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > > >>> Also, what projects you work on.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on
> > > >>> merit,
> > > >>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> > > >>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > > >>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > > >>> - year joined
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> > > >>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > > >>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > > >>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
> > > >>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> > > >>> professionals in the world helping make better software available
> to
> > > >>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and
> individuals
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
> > > >>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or
> > JimJag’s
> > > >>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in
> expanding
> > > >>> ASF
> > > >>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and
> > more
> > > >>> benefits.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple
> (probably
> > > >>> not),
> > > >>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show
> > > >>> their
> > > >>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> > > >>> corporations will
> > > >>> follow suit.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thoughts?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Thank you, Matthew
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 4/5/21 8:30 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the badge
> authenticity?
I cannot even guess what this question means, in practical terms. What
"badge" could we possibly give that would require this level of
authentication?
> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
Then count me out. I know that NFT's are the topic of the day, but they
are not, in my opinion, something that the ASF should give any
credibility to by using in this fashion.
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
>>> tongue-in-cheek approach.
>>>
>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
>>>
>>> - 1,000 commits within a year
>>> - 5,000 commits in total
>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists
>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
>>> - Caused at least one CVE
>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
>>>
>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not what many
>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above boxes btw!)
>>>
>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We have access
>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch of them.
>>
>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which has a
>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active developer
>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from Kibble into
>> Badgr.
>>
>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of times
>> over. :D
>>
>> --Rich
>>
>>
>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
>>>> I like the idea.
>>>>
>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon every
>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic
>>>> "conference badge".
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I like this idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted Liu
>>>>>
>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
>>>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions
>>>>> (volunteer,
>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
>>>>> Also, what projects you work on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>>>>>
>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on
>>>>> merit,
>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
>>>>> - year joined
>>>>>
>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>>>>>
>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
>>>>>
>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding
>>>>> ASF
>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
>>>>> benefits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably
>>>>> not),
>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show
>>>>> their
>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
>>>>> corporations will
>>>>> follow suit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>.
AaaaH .. No NFT please :).
J.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
wrote:
> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the badge
> authenticity?
>
> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > > I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> > > tongue-in-cheek approach.
> > >
> > > Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> > >
> > > - 1,000 commits within a year
> > > - 5,000 commits in total
> > > - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > > - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > > - Caused at least one CVE
> > > - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> > >
> > > Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not what many
> > > people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above boxes btw!)
> > >
> > > But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We have
> access
> > > to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch of them.
> >
> > Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which has a
> > small advantage that it already exists and has an active developer
> > community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from Kibble into
> > Badgr.
> >
> > And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of times
> > over. :D
> >
> > --Rich
> >
> >
> > > On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > >> I like the idea.
> > >>
> > >> It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon every
> > >> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic
> > >> "conference badge".
> > >>
> > >> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> > >>
> > >> J.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I like this idea.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ted Liu
> > >>>
> > >>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> > >>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> > >>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > >>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like
> other
> > >>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It
> would
> > >>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions
> > >>> (volunteer,
> > >>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > >>> Also, what projects you work on.
> > >>>
> > >>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> > >>>
> > >>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on
> > >>> merit,
> > >>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
> > >>>
> > >>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> > >>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> > >>>
> > >>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > >>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > >>> - year joined
> > >>>
> > >>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> > >>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > >>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > >>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> > >>>
> > >>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
> > >>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> > >>> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
> > >>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
> > >>>
> > >>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
> > >>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or
> JimJag’s
> > >>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding
> > >>> ASF
> > >>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and
> more
> > >>> benefits.
> > >>>
> > >>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably
> > >>> not),
> > >>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show
> > >>> their
> > >>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> > >>> corporations will
> > >>> follow suit.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thoughts?
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Thank you, Matthew
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate the badge
authenticity?
I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> > tongue-in-cheek approach.
> >
> > Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
> >
> > - 1,000 commits within a year
> > - 5,000 commits in total
> > - 1,000 emails to our lists
> > - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> > - Caused at least one CVE
> > - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
> >
> > Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not what many
> > people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above boxes btw!)
> >
> > But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We have access
> > to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch of them.
>
> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which has a
> small advantage that it already exists and has an active developer
> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from Kibble into
> Badgr.
>
> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of times
> over. :D
>
> --Rich
>
>
> > On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> >> I like the idea.
> >>
> >> It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon every
> >> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic
> >> "conference badge".
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> >>
> >> J.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I like this idea.
> >>>
> >>> Ted Liu
> >>>
> >>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
> >>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> >>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> >>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
> >>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
> >>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions
> >>> (volunteer,
> >>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> >>> Also, what projects you work on.
> >>>
> >>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> >>>
> >>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on
> >>> merit,
> >>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
> >>>
> >>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> >>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> >>>
> >>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> >>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> >>> - year joined
> >>>
> >>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> >>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> >>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> >>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> >>>
> >>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
> >>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> >>> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
> >>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
> >>>
> >>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
> >>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
> >>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding
> >>> ASF
> >>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
> >>> benefits.
> >>>
> >>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably
> >>> not),
> >>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show
> >>> their
> >>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
> >>> corporations will
> >>> follow suit.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Thank you, Matthew
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> tongue-in-cheek approach.
>
> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
>
> - 1,000 commits within a year
> - 5,000 commits in total
> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> - Caused at least one CVE
> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
>
> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not what many
> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above boxes btw!)
>
> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We have access
> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch of them.
Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which has a
small advantage that it already exists and has an active developer
community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from Kibble into
Badgr.
And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* of times
over. :D
--Rich
> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
>> I like the idea.
>>
>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon every
>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic
>> "conference badge".
>>
>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I like this idea.
>>>
>>> Ted Liu
>>>
>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks
>>> <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions
>>> (volunteer,
>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
>>> Also, what projects you work on.
>>>
>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
>>>
>>> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>>>
>>>
>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>>>
>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on
>>> merit,
>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
>>>
>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>>>
>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
>>> - year joined
>>>
>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>>>
>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
>>> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
>>>
>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding
>>> ASF
>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
>>> benefits.
>>>
>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably
>>> not),
>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show
>>> their
>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More
>>> corporations will
>>> follow suit.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:19 AM Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
> tongue-in-cheek approach.
>
From a peanut gallery: whatever we do THE ABOVE is the attitude I would
advocate -- take it seriously and you stand a real chance of ruining your
community.
Thanks,
Roman.
>
> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
>
> - 1,000 commits within a year
> - 5,000 commits in total
> - 1,000 emails to our lists
> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
> - Caused at least one CVE
> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
>
> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not what many
> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above boxes btw!)
>
> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We have access
> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch of them.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > I like the idea.
> >
> > It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon every
> > year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic
> > "conference badge".
> >
> > https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I like this idea.
> >>
> >> Ted Liu
> >>
> >> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks <
> matthew@matthewsacks.com>
> >> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> >> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
> >> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
> >> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions
> (volunteer,
> >> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> >> Also, what projects you work on.
> >>
> >> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> >>
> >>
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> >>
> >> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> >>
> >> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on
> merit,
> >> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
> >>
> >> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> >> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> >>
> >> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> >> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> >> - year joined
> >>
> >> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> >> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> >> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> >> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> >>
> >> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
> >> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> >> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
> >> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
> >>
> >> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
> >> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
> >> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding
> ASF
> >> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
> >> benefits.
> >>
> >> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably
> not),
> >> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show
> their
> >> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations
> will
> >> follow suit.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thank you, Matthew
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more
tongue-in-cheek approach.
Some sample "merits" I had in mind then:
- 1,000 commits within a year
- 5,000 commits in total
- 1,000 emails to our lists
- Annoyed Sally more than 5 times
- Caused at least one CVE
- *Fixed* at least that one CVE...
Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not what many
people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above boxes btw!)
But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We have access
to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch of them.
With regards,
Daniel.
On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> I like the idea.
>
> It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon every
> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic
> "conference badge".
>
> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
>
> J.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I like this idea.
>>
>> Ted Liu
>>
>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions (volunteer,
>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
>> Also, what projects you work on.
>>
>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
>>
>> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>>
>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>>
>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on merit,
>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
>>
>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>>
>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
>> - year joined
>>
>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>>
>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
>> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
>>
>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding ASF
>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
>> benefits.
>>
>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably not),
>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show their
>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations will
>> follow suit.
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> Thank you, Matthew
>>
>>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>.
I like the idea.
It's very similar to what has already been done at the ApacheCon every
year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your generic
"conference badge".
https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968
J.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> I like this idea.
>
> Ted Liu
>
> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>
> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions (volunteer,
> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> Also, what projects you work on.
>
> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
>
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>
> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>
> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on merit,
> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
>
> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>
> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> - year joined
>
> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>
> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
>
> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding ASF
> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
> benefits.
>
> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably not),
> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show their
> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations will
> follow suit.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> Thank you, Matthew
>
>
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回覆：New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Liu Ted <te...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
I like this idea.
Ted Liu
在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges
ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions (volunteer,
committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
Also, what projects you work on.
Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on merit,
why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
- committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
- year joined
If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
- Projects they contribute/contributed to
- Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
- Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
professionals in the world helping make better software available to
commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding ASF
reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
benefits.
Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably not),
Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show their
pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations will
follow suit.
Thoughts?
--
Thank you, Matthew
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
I’d have to give myself a badge for confusing a -1 with a veto long ago.
More badge ideas! :)
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 20:44 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If it something fun and aimed at building community and opt-in then I’d
> say go for it.
>
> > Here's the badges I have earned at Fedora:
> >
> > https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/rcb <
> https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/rcb>
>
> There's some fun ones there. I’d like to hand out a few of these [1] :-)
>
> > Perhaps some more serious ones ...
> >
> > * Mentored a podling
> > * Voted on a podling release
> > * Vetoed a podling release (Looking at you, Justin!) ;-)
>
> A -1 vote on a release is not a veto - perhaps we need a badge for that
> :-) And I think you find it’s possibly more than one release :-) [2]
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/fedora-legal-badge-of-doom <
> https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/fedora-legal-badge-of-doom>
> 2. A rough pony mail search about 200 and I’m coming up to have voted on
> 1000 releases.
>
>
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
If it something fun and aimed at building community and opt-in then I’d say go for it.
> Here's the badges I have earned at Fedora:
>
> https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/rcb <https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/rcb>
There's some fun ones there. I’d like to hand out a few of these [1] :-)
> Perhaps some more serious ones ...
>
> * Mentored a podling
> * Voted on a podling release
> * Vetoed a podling release (Looking at you, Justin!) ;-)
A -1 vote on a release is not a veto - perhaps we need a badge for that :-) And I think you find it’s possibly more than one release :-) [2]
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/fedora-legal-badge-of-doom <https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/fedora-legal-badge-of-doom>
2. A rough pony mail search about 200 and I’m coming up to have voted on 1000 releases.
Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
FWIW, I'm not in favor of this if it's some kind of resume builder.
This is the Community Development list. The places where I have seen
badges done effectively, it's about community participation, not about
any kind of "certification" or "authentication". It's about fun. It's
about "community > code".
Here's the badges I have earned at Fedora:
https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/rcb
Yes, some of them are about patches/contributions, which are awesome
things to celebrate. Others are about attending events, running a Fedora
booth at an event, and so on. Mine tend to be pretty event-centric,
since that's my job.
Here's one of my favorites:
https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/rollercoaster-restaurant
The idea that you would use this system to *verify* anything makes it
completely uninteresting to me. The purpose of badge systems is
celebration! Fun! Silliness!
I imagine badges like:
* Had drinks with Greg Stein at ApacheCon
* Sat at the Infra table at ApacheCon.
* Served as track chair at an ApacheCon!
(Can you tell I like ApacheCon?) Also, these ones can be accompanied by
a physical sticker that you hand out at events. Or achievement coin type
things.
* Answered 10 questions on a users@ mailing list!
* Reviewed a patch and gave helpful feedback!
* RM'ed a release!
Perhaps some more serious ones ...
* Mentored a podling
* Voted on a podling release
* Vetoed a podling release (Looking at you, Justin!) ;-)
If y'all want LinkedIn, I can tell you where to find it.
FWIW, this idea has been proposed before, and has never made it very far
*specifically* because people want to take it too seriously.
We want badges that are easy to obtain, and ones that are hard to
obtain. Things like "Served as President" would obviously be pretty
rare. Hopefully answering questions on a users list is something that
we've all done. Gamification works really well for some people, and not
so well for others, and THAT'S OK.
On 4/6/21 6:16 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote:
> Please allow me to clarify.
> The badge is a certification method that can’t be fudged, not an award if
> any kind.
>
> Being apart of the ASF is it’s own award. This is just a certified badge
> that proves it and can’t be fudged like a “Microsoft certified” graphic,
> for example.
>
> I can claim ASF membership, I’m not a member, but a committer, and in my
> own attic-ed podling (new podling proposals coming soon).
>
> It’s not only good for community development, but validating ASF
> participation digitally using digital certification methods.
>
> The badge is also a method to verify membership/participation status
> programmatically via an infra API (tie into LDAP maybe?)
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:22 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here are my 0.2 cents.
>> On one side, some people will like this idea to show how much they did for
>> the open-source and ASF projects. It would be a big encouragement for
>> people around them. From this perspective, it is good for community
>> development.
>> On the other hand, this could be treated as a kind of award, and people and
>> companies are going to over-marketing these again and again. Like comparing
>> which project has more stars, contributors, issues. Like have been
>> mentioned, this could be harmful to the contributors doing the open-source
>> for fun in the free time and join and go randomly.
>>
>> My idea is, don't take this as an official one from the foundation level.
>> Committer and PMC membership should have been enough.
>> Some projects provide this kind of things because their PMC(or called core
>> maintainer team) usually don't accept individual or people working in the
>> free time as a member of PMC, but this is not the case in ASF.
>>
>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>
>>
>> Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com> 于2021年4月5日周一 下午4:42写道：
>>
>>> Summary: Digital Merit badges
>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions
>> (volunteer,
>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
>>> Also, what projects you work on.
>>>
>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
>>>
>>>
>> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>>>
>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>>>
>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on
>> merit,
>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
>>>
>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>>>
>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
>>> - year joined
>>>
>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>>>
>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
>>> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
>>>
>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding ASF
>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
>>> benefits.
>>>
>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably
>> not),
>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show their
>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations
>> will
>>> follow suit.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thank you, Matthew
>>>
>>
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com>.
Please allow me to clarify.
The badge is a certification method that can’t be fudged, not an award if
any kind.
Being apart of the ASF is it’s own award. This is just a certified badge
that proves it and can’t be fudged like a “Microsoft certified” graphic,
for example.
I can claim ASF membership, I’m not a member, but a committer, and in my
own attic-ed podling (new podling proposals coming soon).
It’s not only good for community development, but validating ASF
participation digitally using digital certification methods.
The badge is also a method to verify membership/participation status
programmatically via an infra API (tie into LDAP maybe?)
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:22 PM Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here are my 0.2 cents.
> On one side, some people will like this idea to show how much they did for
> the open-source and ASF projects. It would be a big encouragement for
> people around them. From this perspective, it is good for community
> development.
> On the other hand, this could be treated as a kind of award, and people and
> companies are going to over-marketing these again and again. Like comparing
> which project has more stars, contributors, issues. Like have been
> mentioned, this could be harmful to the contributors doing the open-source
> for fun in the free time and join and go randomly.
>
> My idea is, don't take this as an official one from the foundation level.
> Committer and PMC membership should have been enough.
> Some projects provide this kind of things because their PMC(or called core
> maintainer team) usually don't accept individual or people working in the
> free time as a member of PMC, but this is not the case in ASF.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com> 于2021年4月5日周一 下午4:42写道：
>
> > Summary: Digital Merit badges
> > ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
> > merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
> > slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions
> (volunteer,
> > committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> > Also, what projects you work on.
> >
> > Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
> >
> >
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
> >
> > What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
> >
> > If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on
> merit,
> > why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
> >
> > Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> > recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
> >
> > I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> > - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> > - year joined
> >
> > If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> > - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> > - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> > - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
> >
> > From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
> > reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> > professionals in the world helping make better software available to
> > commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
> >
> > If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
> > ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
> > LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding ASF
> > reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
> > benefits.
> >
> > Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably
> not),
> > Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show their
> > pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations
> will
> > follow suit.
> >
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --
> > Thank you, Matthew
> >
>
--
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Re: New Apache.org product concept: Digital Merit Badges
Posted by Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>.
Here are my 0.2 cents.
On one side, some people will like this idea to show how much they did for
the open-source and ASF projects. It would be a big encouragement for
people around them. From this perspective, it is good for community
development.
On the other hand, this could be treated as a kind of award, and people and
companies are going to over-marketing these again and again. Like comparing
which project has more stars, contributors, issues. Like have been
mentioned, this could be harmful to the contributors doing the open-source
for fun in the free time and join and go randomly.
My idea is, don't take this as an official one from the foundation level.
Committer and PMC membership should have been enough.
Some projects provide this kind of things because their PMC(or called core
maintainer team) usually don't accept individual or people working in the
free time as a member of PMC, but this is not the case in ASF.
Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108
Matthew Sacks <ma...@matthewsacks.com> 于2021年4月5日周一 下午4:42写道：
> Summary: Digital Merit badges
> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So like other
> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit badge. It would
> slow your name and summarize your involvement and contributions (volunteer,
> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.).
> Also, what projects you work on.
>
> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges:
>
> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/
>
> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing.
>
> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are based on merit,
> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve done?
>
> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually badges
> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor.
>
> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge:
> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc
> - year joined
>
> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page with:
> - Projects they contribute/contributed to
> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc
> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one)
>
> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF “brand” and
> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and IT
> professionals in the world helping make better software available to
> commercial companies as well as public organizations and individuals
>
> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge validated by an
> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding or JimJag’s
> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in expanding ASF
> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page views, and more
> benefits.
>
> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple (probably not),
> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge to show their
> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More corporations will
> follow suit.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> Thank you, Matthew
>