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Posted to derby-dev@db.apache.org by Andrew McIntyre <mc...@gmail.com> on 2007/01/04 08:06:58 UTC

Re: Re: [Vote] Include tomcat5.exe as derby.exe (Re: [jira] Commented: (DERBY-187) Starting derby network server as a service in Win OS)

On 10/18/06, Andrew McIntyre <mc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/18/06, Bryan Pendleton <bp...@amberpoint.com> wrote:
> > > Now I'm thinking to include tomcat5.exe into derby as derby.exe as
> > > resolution for DERBY-187.
> >
> > Are the following two statements true?
> >
> > 1) This derby.exe program would be useful to Windows users, not to other users
>
> Correct, since tomcat5.exe is just a renamed procrun/prunsrv from the
> Jakarta Commons Daemon project.
>
> While I don't see any problem with Derby redistributing procrun, I
> don't think we necessarily need to be redistributing it either. It
> would be sufficient to provide a pointer to the commons daemon project
> and instructions in our documentation for those that want this
> functionality.
>
> But, since you can't actually get procrun as a Windows executable
> anywhere that I could find from the links at
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/daemon/index.html, I suppose
> redistributing it is probably the best way of providing this
> functionality for users.
>
> Maybe there's some reason why they don't redistribute their own code
> in binary form? I find it sort of odd, but I haven't gone to look for
> the reasons yet.
>
> If it were possible to download procrun as a binary from the Commons
> Daemon project, I would prefer that users pick it up from there, and
> we could provide Derby-specific instructions on using it with the
> network server.

It's been a while but I finally got around to looking into it. It
appears even the commons-dev folks don't have any forthcoming answers
as to why there's no Win32 download for the Commons Daemon:

http://www.nabble.com/-daemon--Re%3A-Obtaining-procrun-for-Win32-tf2558402.html#a7129565
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-commons-user/200606.mbox/%3C7.0.1.0.0.20060613234131.04c53c98@visi.com%3E

I think at this point it should be sufficient to point users to the
Tomcat distributions and provide some basic instructions on how to
extract, rename, and configure tomcat5.exe to run the network server
as a service on Windows. These instructions could be added to the FAQ
and/or the wiki and then DERBY-187 can be closed.

I'll add this comment to DERBY-187 and will put it on my list to add
to the FAQ unless someone beats me to it.

andrew

Re: [Vote] Include tomcat5.exe as derby.exe (Re: [jira] Commented: (DERBY-187) Starting derby network server as a service in Win OS)

Posted by Andrew McIntyre <mc...@gmail.com>.
On 1/4/07, Jean T. Anderson <jt...@bristowhill.com> wrote:
> Andrew McIntyre wrote:
> ...
> > I think at this point it should be sufficient to point users to the
> > Tomcat distributions and provide some basic instructions on how to
> > extract, rename, and configure tomcat5.exe to run the network server
> > as a service on Windows. These instructions could be added to the FAQ
> > and/or the wiki and then DERBY-187 can be closed.
>
> you probably already know about the existing wiki page:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/DerbyWindowsService
>
> maybe more tips could be added there. I'll go ahead and add a pointer to
> that wiki page from http://db.apache.org/derby/faq.html.

I had forgotten about it, thanks for the pointer. We should definitely
add additional instructions regarding using tomcat5.exe as well, since
that's an Apache-licensed solution and the others listed there are
not.

andrew

Re: [Vote] Include tomcat5.exe as derby.exe (Re: [jira] Commented: (DERBY-187) Starting derby network server as a service in Win OS)

Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrew McIntyre wrote:
...
> I think at this point it should be sufficient to point users to the
> Tomcat distributions and provide some basic instructions on how to
> extract, rename, and configure tomcat5.exe to run the network server
> as a service on Windows. These instructions could be added to the FAQ
> and/or the wiki and then DERBY-187 can be closed.

you probably already know about the existing wiki page:

http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/DerbyWindowsService

maybe more tips could be added there. I'll go ahead and add a pointer to
that wiki page from http://db.apache.org/derby/faq.html.

 -jean

Re: [Vote] Include tomcat5.exe as derby.exe (Re: [jira] Commented: (DERBY-187) Starting derby network server as a service in Win OS)

Posted by TomohitoNakayama <to...@basil.ocn.ne.jp>.
Hello Andrew.

I think your idea is one of possible choices and
does not beat you.

Best regards.


Andrew McIntyre wrote:

> On 10/18/06, Andrew McIntyre <mc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/06, Bryan Pendleton <bp...@amberpoint.com> wrote:
>> > > Now I'm thinking to include tomcat5.exe into derby as derby.exe as
>> > > resolution for DERBY-187.
>> >
>> > Are the following two statements true?
>> >
>> > 1) This derby.exe program would be useful to Windows users, not to 
>> other users
>>
>> Correct, since tomcat5.exe is just a renamed procrun/prunsrv from the
>> Jakarta Commons Daemon project.
>>
>> While I don't see any problem with Derby redistributing procrun, I
>> don't think we necessarily need to be redistributing it either. It
>> would be sufficient to provide a pointer to the commons daemon project
>> and instructions in our documentation for those that want this
>> functionality.
>>
>> But, since you can't actually get procrun as a Windows executable
>> anywhere that I could find from the links at
>> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/daemon/index.html, I suppose
>> redistributing it is probably the best way of providing this
>> functionality for users.
>>
>> Maybe there's some reason why they don't redistribute their own code
>> in binary form? I find it sort of odd, but I haven't gone to look for
>> the reasons yet.
>>
>> If it were possible to download procrun as a binary from the Commons
>> Daemon project, I would prefer that users pick it up from there, and
>> we could provide Derby-specific instructions on using it with the
>> network server.
>
>
> It's been a while but I finally got around to looking into it. It
> appears even the commons-dev folks don't have any forthcoming answers
> as to why there's no Win32 download for the Commons Daemon:
>
> http://www.nabble.com/-daemon--Re%3A-Obtaining-procrun-for-Win32-tf2558402.html#a7129565 
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-commons-user/200606.mbox/%3C7.0.1.0.0.20060613234131.04c53c98@visi.com%3E 
>
>
> I think at this point it should be sufficient to point users to the
> Tomcat distributions and provide some basic instructions on how to
> extract, rename, and configure tomcat5.exe to run the network server
> as a service on Windows. These instructions could be added to the FAQ
> and/or the wiki and then DERBY-187 can be closed.
>
> I'll add this comment to DERBY-187 and will put it on my list to add
> to the FAQ unless someone beats me to it.
>
> andrew
>
>

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