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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com> on 2019/11/12 12:51:04 UTC
[DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Hello people,
we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
[1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
some other publicly accessible places.
Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
Thanks,
-Jirka
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
I can host those 20GB. Is there some easy way to download everything?
--emi
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:40 PM Matthias Bläsing
<mb...@doppel-helix.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
> > we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
> > is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> > need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
> > the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
> > believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
> >
> > [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
> >
> > The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> > infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
> > could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
> > some other publicly accessible places.
> >
> > Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
> >
>
> I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
> assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
> completed) plugin portal.
>
> I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
> plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
> this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin, you'd
> need the source code to redistribute it properly.
>
> This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if we
> end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e. later
> intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
> true for all plugins.
>
> Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the plugins
> would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file host
> and be done.
>
> Greetings
>
> Matthias
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
I must say a big thanks to Emilian for hosting them. It is true that most
of then are not working with latest versions of NetBeans, but they are a
good source for those who wish to port them to the latest versions of
NetBeans. Otherwise all the work is lost.
How can one port their plugins to the new portal (
http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal)?
http://netbeans.apache.org/plugins/ still points to
http://plugins.netbeans.org/PluginPortal/. Is it on purpose or it should
point to http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal?
Thanks,
John.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 18:02, Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com> wrote:
> And here we go:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Where+to+download+plugins+for+NetBeans+10.0+and+earlier
>
> -Jirka
>
> Dne 28. 11. 19 v 18:24 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
>
> > Excellent!
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 18:22, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I have downloaded that Plugin Portal data (which includes the NBMs and
> >> catalog.xml) and am serving all the files from another server. I seem
> >> to be able to register it in the IDE. Looking good.
> >>
> >> Once I get some confirmations I can make the URL public.
> >>
> >> --emi
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:12 PM Jiří Kovalský <
> jiri.kovalsky@oracle.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi again Emilian,
> >>>
> >>> this is to confirm that I have sent the download location with PP2
> >>> binaries snapshot to your GMail account.
> >>>
> >>> If you cannot find the e-mail, let me please know.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> -Jirka
> >>>
> >>> Dne 20. 11. 19 v 11:46 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
> >>>> Hi Emilian,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am working on that and will send you download coordinates in a
> >>>> private e-mail.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Jirka
> >>>>
> >>>> Dne 18. 11. 19 v 22:57 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
> >>>>> No, really, is there some way to get the whole of
> >> plugins.netbeans.org
> >>>>> at once? Or crawl it at a faster speed?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Seems to server is throttling me at 300KB which means the 20GB would
> >>>>> take me a week.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --emi
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:47 PM Christian Lenz
> >>>>> <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ➢ I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers
> (I
> >>>>>> ➢ assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still
> >> to be
> >>>>>> ➢ completed) plugin portal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just to say smth about that. From round about 10 plugin author, that
> >>>>>> I tried to contact about aourcecode and other stuff, maybe half of
> it
> >>>>>> answered me. I don’t know it exactly, but this is not that possible,
> >>>>>> that everyone will response or can, because of no access to the mail
> >>>>>> address anymore or discontinueing work or whatever reason. Just to
> >>>>>> let you know, I tried it several times.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Von: Matthias Bläsing
> >>>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 18:40
> >>>>>> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> >>>>>> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed
> >>>>>> plugins?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
> >>>>>>> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0
> [1]
> >>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch
> we
> >>>>>>> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by
> >> all
> >>>>>>> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB.
> >> I
> >>>>>>> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plugins.netbeans.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=O2Fja6PhovWdi4X_mm2m8U9TYkedKKkllioZe0m_UKk&s=wJ7h5_LWddf9J3WgVdlF3XfjYcV1s0wONqa5fLWYANg&e=
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> >>>>>>> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what
> >> we
> >>>>>>> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references
> >> to
> >>>>>>> some other publicly accessible places.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
> >>>>>> assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to
> >> be
> >>>>>> completed) plugin portal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
> >>>>>> plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
> >>>>>> this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin,
> you'd
> >>>>>> need the source code to redistribute it properly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if
> >> we
> >>>>>> end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e.
> >> later
> >>>>>> intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
> >>>>>> true for all plugins.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the
> plugins
> >>>>>> would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file
> host
> >>>>>> and be done.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Greetings
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Matthias
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>.
And here we go:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Where+to+download+plugins+for+NetBeans+10.0+and+earlier
-Jirka
Dne 28. 11. 19 v 18:24 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
> Excellent!
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 18:22, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have downloaded that Plugin Portal data (which includes the NBMs and
>> catalog.xml) and am serving all the files from another server. I seem
>> to be able to register it in the IDE. Looking good.
>>
>> Once I get some confirmations I can make the URL public.
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:12 PM Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi again Emilian,
>>>
>>> this is to confirm that I have sent the download location with PP2
>>> binaries snapshot to your GMail account.
>>>
>>> If you cannot find the e-mail, let me please know.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> -Jirka
>>>
>>> Dne 20. 11. 19 v 11:46 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
>>>> Hi Emilian,
>>>>
>>>> I am working on that and will send you download coordinates in a
>>>> private e-mail.
>>>>
>>>> -Jirka
>>>>
>>>> Dne 18. 11. 19 v 22:57 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
>>>>> No, really, is there some way to get the whole of
>> plugins.netbeans.org
>>>>> at once? Or crawl it at a faster speed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to server is throttling me at 300KB which means the 20GB would
>>>>> take me a week.
>>>>>
>>>>> --emi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:47 PM Christian Lenz
>>>>> <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ➢ I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
>>>>>> ➢ assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still
>> to be
>>>>>> ➢ completed) plugin portal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to say smth about that. From round about 10 plugin author, that
>>>>>> I tried to contact about aourcecode and other stuff, maybe half of it
>>>>>> answered me. I don’t know it exactly, but this is not that possible,
>>>>>> that everyone will response or can, because of no access to the mail
>>>>>> address anymore or discontinueing work or whatever reason. Just to
>>>>>> let you know, I tried it several times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Von: Matthias Bläsing
>>>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 18:40
>>>>>> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed
>>>>>> plugins?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
>>>>>>> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1]
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
>>>>>>> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by
>> all
>>>>>>> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB.
>> I
>>>>>>> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plugins.netbeans.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=O2Fja6PhovWdi4X_mm2m8U9TYkedKKkllioZe0m_UKk&s=wJ7h5_LWddf9J3WgVdlF3XfjYcV1s0wONqa5fLWYANg&e=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
>>>>>>> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what
>> we
>>>>>>> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references
>> to
>>>>>>> some other publicly accessible places.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
>>>>>> assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to
>> be
>>>>>> completed) plugin portal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
>>>>>> plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
>>>>>> this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin, you'd
>>>>>> need the source code to redistribute it properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if
>> we
>>>>>> end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e.
>> later
>>>>>> intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
>>>>>> true for all plugins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the plugins
>>>>>> would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file host
>>>>>> and be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Excellent!
Gj
On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 18:22, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have downloaded that Plugin Portal data (which includes the NBMs and
> catalog.xml) and am serving all the files from another server. I seem
> to be able to register it in the IDE. Looking good.
>
> Once I get some confirmations I can make the URL public.
>
> --emi
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:12 PM Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi again Emilian,
> >
> > this is to confirm that I have sent the download location with PP2
> > binaries snapshot to your GMail account.
> >
> > If you cannot find the e-mail, let me please know.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > -Jirka
> >
> > Dne 20. 11. 19 v 11:46 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
> > > Hi Emilian,
> > >
> > > I am working on that and will send you download coordinates in a
> > > private e-mail.
> > >
> > > -Jirka
> > >
> > > Dne 18. 11. 19 v 22:57 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
> > >> No, really, is there some way to get the whole of
> plugins.netbeans.org
> > >> at once? Or crawl it at a faster speed?
> > >>
> > >> Seems to server is throttling me at 300KB which means the 20GB would
> > >> take me a week.
> > >>
> > >> --emi
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:47 PM Christian Lenz
> > >> <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> ➢ I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
> > >>> ➢ assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still
> to be
> > >>> ➢ completed) plugin portal.
> > >>>
> > >>> Just to say smth about that. From round about 10 plugin author, that
> > >>> I tried to contact about aourcecode and other stuff, maybe half of it
> > >>> answered me. I don’t know it exactly, but this is not that possible,
> > >>> that everyone will response or can, because of no access to the mail
> > >>> address anymore or discontinueing work or whatever reason. Just to
> > >>> let you know, I tried it several times.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers
> > >>>
> > >>> Chris
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Von: Matthias Bläsing
> > >>> Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 18:40
> > >>> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> > >>> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed
> > >>> plugins?
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
> > >>>> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1]
> > >>>> which
> > >>>> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> > >>>> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by
> all
> > >>>> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB.
> I
> > >>>> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [1]
> > >>>>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plugins.netbeans.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=O2Fja6PhovWdi4X_mm2m8U9TYkedKKkllioZe0m_UKk&s=wJ7h5_LWddf9J3WgVdlF3XfjYcV1s0wONqa5fLWYANg&e=
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> > >>>> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what
> we
> > >>>> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references
> to
> > >>>> some other publicly accessible places.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
> > >>> assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to
> be
> > >>> completed) plugin portal.
> > >>>
> > >>> I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
> > >>> plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
> > >>> this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin, you'd
> > >>> need the source code to redistribute it properly.
> > >>>
> > >>> This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if
> we
> > >>> end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e.
> later
> > >>> intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
> > >>> true for all plugins.
> > >>>
> > >>> Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the plugins
> > >>> would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file host
> > >>> and be done.
> > >>>
> > >>> Greetings
> > >>>
> > >>> Matthias
> > >>>
> > >>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
I have downloaded that Plugin Portal data (which includes the NBMs and
catalog.xml) and am serving all the files from another server. I seem
to be able to register it in the IDE. Looking good.
Once I get some confirmations I can make the URL public.
--emi
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:12 PM Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> Hi again Emilian,
>
> this is to confirm that I have sent the download location with PP2
> binaries snapshot to your GMail account.
>
> If you cannot find the e-mail, let me please know.
>
> Best regards,
> -Jirka
>
> Dne 20. 11. 19 v 11:46 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
> > Hi Emilian,
> >
> > I am working on that and will send you download coordinates in a
> > private e-mail.
> >
> > -Jirka
> >
> > Dne 18. 11. 19 v 22:57 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
> >> No, really, is there some way to get the whole of plugins.netbeans.org
> >> at once? Or crawl it at a faster speed?
> >>
> >> Seems to server is throttling me at 300KB which means the 20GB would
> >> take me a week.
> >>
> >> --emi
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:47 PM Christian Lenz
> >> <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ➢ I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
> >>> ➢ assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
> >>> ➢ completed) plugin portal.
> >>>
> >>> Just to say smth about that. From round about 10 plugin author, that
> >>> I tried to contact about aourcecode and other stuff, maybe half of it
> >>> answered me. I don’t know it exactly, but this is not that possible,
> >>> that everyone will response or can, because of no access to the mail
> >>> address anymore or discontinueing work or whatever reason. Just to
> >>> let you know, I tried it several times.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Von: Matthias Bläsing
> >>> Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 18:40
> >>> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> >>> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed
> >>> plugins?
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
> >>>> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1]
> >>>> which
> >>>> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> >>>> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
> >>>> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
> >>>> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plugins.netbeans.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=O2Fja6PhovWdi4X_mm2m8U9TYkedKKkllioZe0m_UKk&s=wJ7h5_LWddf9J3WgVdlF3XfjYcV1s0wONqa5fLWYANg&e=
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> >>>> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
> >>>> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
> >>>> some other publicly accessible places.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
> >>> assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
> >>> completed) plugin portal.
> >>>
> >>> I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
> >>> plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
> >>> this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin, you'd
> >>> need the source code to redistribute it properly.
> >>>
> >>> This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if we
> >>> end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e. later
> >>> intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
> >>> true for all plugins.
> >>>
> >>> Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the plugins
> >>> would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file host
> >>> and be done.
> >>>
> >>> Greetings
> >>>
> >>> Matthias
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>.
Hi again Emilian,
this is to confirm that I have sent the download location with PP2
binaries snapshot to your GMail account.
If you cannot find the e-mail, let me please know.
Best regards,
-Jirka
Dne 20. 11. 19 v 11:46 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
> Hi Emilian,
>
> I am working on that and will send you download coordinates in a
> private e-mail.
>
> -Jirka
>
> Dne 18. 11. 19 v 22:57 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
>> No, really, is there some way to get the whole of plugins.netbeans.org
>> at once? Or crawl it at a faster speed?
>>
>> Seems to server is throttling me at 300KB which means the 20GB would
>> take me a week.
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:47 PM Christian Lenz
>> <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ➢ I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
>>> ➢ assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
>>> ➢ completed) plugin portal.
>>>
>>> Just to say smth about that. From round about 10 plugin author, that
>>> I tried to contact about aourcecode and other stuff, maybe half of it
>>> answered me. I don’t know it exactly, but this is not that possible,
>>> that everyone will response or can, because of no access to the mail
>>> address anymore or discontinueing work or whatever reason. Just to
>>> let you know, I tried it several times.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Von: Matthias Bläsing
>>> Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 18:40
>>> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
>>> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed
>>> plugins?
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
>>>> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1]
>>>> which
>>>> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
>>>> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
>>>> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
>>>> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plugins.netbeans.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=O2Fja6PhovWdi4X_mm2m8U9TYkedKKkllioZe0m_UKk&s=wJ7h5_LWddf9J3WgVdlF3XfjYcV1s0wONqa5fLWYANg&e=
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
>>>> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
>>>> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
>>>> some other publicly accessible places.
>>>>
>>>> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
>>> assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
>>> completed) plugin portal.
>>>
>>> I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
>>> plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
>>> this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin, you'd
>>> need the source code to redistribute it properly.
>>>
>>> This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if we
>>> end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e. later
>>> intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
>>> true for all plugins.
>>>
>>> Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the plugins
>>> would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file host
>>> and be done.
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>.
Hi Emilian,
I am working on that and will send you download coordinates in a
private e-mail.
-Jirka
Dne 18. 11. 19 v 22:57 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
> No, really, is there some way to get the whole of plugins.netbeans.org
> at once? Or crawl it at a faster speed?
>
> Seems to server is throttling me at 300KB which means the 20GB would
> take me a week.
>
> --emi
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:47 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>> ➢ I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
>> ➢ assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
>> ➢ completed) plugin portal.
>>
>> Just to say smth about that. From round about 10 plugin author, that I tried to contact about aourcecode and other stuff, maybe half of it answered me. I don’t know it exactly, but this is not that possible, that everyone will response or can, because of no access to the mail address anymore or discontinueing work or whatever reason. Just to let you know, I tried it several times.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Von: Matthias Bläsing
>> Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 18:40
>> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
>>> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
>>> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
>>> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
>>> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
>>> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
>>>
>>> [1] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plugins.netbeans.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=O2Fja6PhovWdi4X_mm2m8U9TYkedKKkllioZe0m_UKk&s=wJ7h5_LWddf9J3WgVdlF3XfjYcV1s0wONqa5fLWYANg&e=
>>>
>>> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
>>> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
>>> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
>>> some other publicly accessible places.
>>>
>>> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
>>>
>>
>> I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
>> assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
>> completed) plugin portal.
>>
>> I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
>> plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
>> this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin, you'd
>> need the source code to redistribute it properly.
>>
>> This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if we
>> end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e. later
>> intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
>> true for all plugins.
>>
>> Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the plugins
>> would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file host
>> and be done.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Matthias
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
No, really, is there some way to get the whole of plugins.netbeans.org
at once? Or crawl it at a faster speed?
Seems to server is throttling me at 300KB which means the 20GB would
take me a week.
--emi
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:47 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> ➢ I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
> ➢ assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
> ➢ completed) plugin portal.
>
> Just to say smth about that. From round about 10 plugin author, that I tried to contact about aourcecode and other stuff, maybe half of it answered me. I don’t know it exactly, but this is not that possible, that everyone will response or can, because of no access to the mail address anymore or discontinueing work or whatever reason. Just to let you know, I tried it several times.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> Von: Matthias Bläsing
> Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 18:40
> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
>
> Hi,
>
> Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
> > we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
> > is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> > need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
> > the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
> > believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
> >
> > [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
> >
> > The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> > infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
> > could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
> > some other publicly accessible places.
> >
> > Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
> >
>
> I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
> assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
> completed) plugin portal.
>
> I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
> plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
> this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin, you'd
> need the source code to redistribute it properly.
>
> This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if we
> end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e. later
> intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
> true for all plugins.
>
> Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the plugins
> would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file host
> and be done.
>
> Greetings
>
> Matthias
>
>
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AW: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
➢ I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
➢ assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
➢ completed) plugin portal.
Just to say smth about that. From round about 10 plugin author, that I tried to contact about aourcecode and other stuff, maybe half of it answered me. I don’t know it exactly, but this is not that possible, that everyone will response or can, because of no access to the mail address anymore or discontinueing work or whatever reason. Just to let you know, I tried it several times.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Matthias Bläsing
Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 18:40
An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Hi,
Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
>
> [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
>
> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
> some other publicly accessible places.
>
> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
>
I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
completed) plugin portal.
I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin, you'd
need the source code to redistribute it properly.
This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if we
end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e. later
intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
true for all plugins.
Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the plugins
would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file host
and be done.
Greetings
Matthias
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Hi,
Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
>
> [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
>
> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
> some other publicly accessible places.
>
> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
>
I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to be
completed) plugin portal.
I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin, you'd
need the source code to redistribute it properly.
This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if we
end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e. later
intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
true for all plugins.
Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the plugins
would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file host
and be done.
Greetings
Matthias
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by John Mc <mc...@gmail.com>.
An idea is to store them on AWS S3, it should only cost 46c a month to
store, and if the data transfers out per month is less than 1GB then that
should be free, otherwise its 0.009c per GB for data transfers out over the
internet.
Thats coverable on my account if needed and over time we can move artefacts
not downloaded to less frequent storage options.
Regards
John
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 at 09:46, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> if we limit them to 8.2, is it still possible to get Plugins from < 8.2?
> There are some plugins that are still working (atmel-plugin, Restart IDE,
> etc.) some of them don’t have a repo for the source, so just asking whether
> I can get them or not. Otherwise give me the 20GB I can handle them anyway.
> Not hosting, just on my NAS.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Von: Geertjan Wielenga
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. November 2019 09:26
> An: dev
> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
>
> If we were to limit them to NBM with 8.2+ compatibility, how big a
> difference would that make to the estimated ~20 GB?
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:31 PM Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 to limiting the NBMs to 8.2+ compatibility.
> >
> > Josh Juneau
> > juneau001@gmail.com
> > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> > https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=Juneau
> >
> > > On Nov 12, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Mark Ferguson <ma...@sky.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Could there be a way of putting it all on GitHub? (Noobie here)
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, 12 November 2019, 12:57:22 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just as a start to this discussion, maybe we could decide to not keep
> all
> > > the NBMs, e.g., make a cut off point at a certain release, e.g., 8.2,
> for
> > > example. And if we were to limit the number of NBMs, in some way, such
> as
> > > that, or another way, maybe we could upload them into a dedicated
> folder
> > > here: http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/, unless we can figure out a
> > > smart way to put the ones we want to keep onto Maven Central.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Jiří Kovalský <
> jiri.kovalsky@oracle.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello people,
> > >>
> > >> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1]
> which
> > >> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> > >> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
> > >> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
> > >> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
> > >>
> > >> [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
> > >>
> > >> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> > >> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
> > >> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
> > >> some other publicly accessible places.
> > >>
> > >> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> -Jirka
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
>
AW: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Hey,
if we limit them to 8.2, is it still possible to get Plugins from < 8.2? There are some plugins that are still working (atmel-plugin, Restart IDE, etc.) some of them don’t have a repo for the source, so just asking whether I can get them or not. Otherwise give me the 20GB I can handle them anyway. Not hosting, just on my NAS.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. November 2019 09:26
An: dev
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
If we were to limit them to NBM with 8.2+ compatibility, how big a
difference would that make to the estimated ~20 GB?
Gj
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:31 PM Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to limiting the NBMs to 8.2+ compatibility.
>
> Josh Juneau
> juneau001@gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=Juneau
>
> > On Nov 12, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Mark Ferguson <ma...@sky.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Could there be a way of putting it all on GitHub? (Noobie here)
> >
> > On Tuesday, 12 November 2019, 12:57:22 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Just as a start to this discussion, maybe we could decide to not keep all
> > the NBMs, e.g., make a cut off point at a certain release, e.g., 8.2, for
> > example. And if we were to limit the number of NBMs, in some way, such as
> > that, or another way, maybe we could upload them into a dedicated folder
> > here: http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/, unless we can figure out a
> > smart way to put the ones we want to keep onto Maven Central.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Jiří Kovalský <jiri.kovalsky@oracle.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello people,
> >>
> >> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
> >> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> >> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
> >> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
> >> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
> >>
> >> [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
> >>
> >> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> >> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
> >> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
> >> some other publicly accessible places.
> >>
> >> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -Jirka
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>
> >>
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
If we were to limit them to NBM with 8.2+ compatibility, how big a
difference would that make to the estimated ~20 GB?
Gj
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:31 PM Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to limiting the NBMs to 8.2+ compatibility.
>
> Josh Juneau
> juneau001@gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=Juneau
>
> > On Nov 12, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Mark Ferguson <ma...@sky.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Could there be a way of putting it all on GitHub? (Noobie here)
> >
> > On Tuesday, 12 November 2019, 12:57:22 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Just as a start to this discussion, maybe we could decide to not keep all
> > the NBMs, e.g., make a cut off point at a certain release, e.g., 8.2, for
> > example. And if we were to limit the number of NBMs, in some way, such as
> > that, or another way, maybe we could upload them into a dedicated folder
> > here: http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/, unless we can figure out a
> > smart way to put the ones we want to keep onto Maven Central.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Jiří Kovalský <jiri.kovalsky@oracle.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello people,
> >>
> >> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
> >> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> >> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
> >> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
> >> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
> >>
> >> [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
> >>
> >> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> >> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
> >> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
> >> some other publicly accessible places.
> >>
> >> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -Jirka
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>.
+1 to limiting the NBMs to 8.2+ compatibility.
Josh Juneau
juneau001@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=Juneau
> On Nov 12, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Mark Ferguson <ma...@sky.com> wrote:
>
> Could there be a way of putting it all on GitHub? (Noobie here)
>
> On Tuesday, 12 November 2019, 12:57:22 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Just as a start to this discussion, maybe we could decide to not keep all
> the NBMs, e.g., make a cut off point at a certain release, e.g., 8.2, for
> example. And if we were to limit the number of NBMs, in some way, such as
> that, or another way, maybe we could upload them into a dedicated folder
> here: http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/, unless we can figure out a
> smart way to put the ones we want to keep onto Maven Central.
>
> Gj
>
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello people,
>>
>> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
>> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
>> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
>> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
>> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
>>
>> [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
>>
>> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
>> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
>> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
>> some other publicly accessible places.
>>
>> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Jirka
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Mark Ferguson <ma...@sky.com>.
Could there be a way of putting it all on GitHub? (Noobie here)
On Tuesday, 12 November 2019, 12:57:22 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
Just as a start to this discussion, maybe we could decide to not keep all
the NBMs, e.g., make a cut off point at a certain release, e.g., 8.2, for
example. And if we were to limit the number of NBMs, in some way, such as
that, or another way, maybe we could upload them into a dedicated folder
here: http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/, unless we can figure out a
smart way to put the ones we want to keep onto Maven Central.
Gj
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
wrote:
> Hello people,
>
> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
>
> [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
>
> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
> some other publicly accessible places.
>
> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
>
> Thanks,
> -Jirka
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Just as a start to this discussion, maybe we could decide to not keep all
the NBMs, e.g., make a cut off point at a certain release, e.g., 8.2, for
example. And if we were to limit the number of NBMs, in some way, such as
that, or another way, maybe we could upload them into a dedicated folder
here: http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/, unless we can figure out a
smart way to put the ones we want to keep onto Maven Central.
Gj
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
wrote:
> Hello people,
>
> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1] which
> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by all
> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB. I
> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
>
> [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/
>
> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what we
> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references to
> some other publicly accessible places.
>
> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
>
> Thanks,
> -Jirka
>
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