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Struts1 and 2
Hello,
Even though struts1 versus struts2 has been described in detail, I am
really looking for something qualitative that only struts users could
shed some light on. We are looking to choose a web framework for our
project and I suggested going with Struts2. However, since other product
teams in our company use struts1, there is some pressure to consider
struts1 as well. So, the question is, how much of the knowledge gained
from struts1 directly applicable to struts2?
Thanks
Priya
RE: Struts1 and 2
Posted by Jason Wyatt <jw...@itree.com.au>.
The j4 jars worked, but we hit a slowness problem. I backported about a
dozen jars to 1.4 to get our app working on Oracle AS 10.1.2 with JDK 1.4.
Our app ran very responsively on my PC (3GHz dual core pentium with XP) with
Tomcat 5.5 & JDK 5, but ran like a wet weekend on our development Solaris
server (2 x 1200MHz CPUs and plenty of RAM) with oracle AS 10.1.2, JDK
1.4.2_11 and the backported jars.
Normally the development server with OAS 10.1.2 is pretty responsive for
struts 1 web apps, so it was quite a surprise. The two apps were hitting the
same database, and the speed decrease seemed to be in the order of 3-6 times
slower.
My first assumption was it was due to the backported jars & translation... I
assumed there might be some wrapper code that runs on the fly in the
backported jars to handle the JDK1.5 -> 1.4 conversion, thuse slows the
calls down. Any idea if thats possibly the cause?
I haven't actually shown the slowness problem is due to the backported jars
yet... Need some more time to isolate the problem. I might test the
backported version again, compared to our workaround JDK1.6 version running
on the same OAS 10.1.2 on the same Solaris server.
Regards
Jason
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Newton [mailto:newton.dave@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 6:50 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts1 and 2
--- Jason Wyatt <jw...@itree.com.au> wrote:
> - we got bitten by the dependency on JDK 1.5. Our S2 web app worked
> fine on Tomcat 5.5, but our client's production application server
> (Oracle AS 10.1.2) didn't support JDK 1.5 by default, and I've spent
the
> last 2 weeks coming up with a satisfactory workaround.
The J4 jars didn't work?
d.
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RE: Struts1 and 2
Posted by Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com>.
--- Jason Wyatt <jw...@itree.com.au> wrote:
> - we got bitten by the dependency on JDK 1.5. Our S2
> web app worked fine on Tomcat 5.5, but our client's
> production application server (Oracle AS 10.1.2)
> didn't support JDK 1.5 by default, and I've spent
the
> last 2 weeks coming up with a satisfactory
> workaround.
The J4 jars didn't work?
d.
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RE: Struts1 and 2
Posted by "Sivapatham, Hari" <HS...@empirix.com>.
Thanks a lot for the information Jason. The pros and cons list will be
very helpful. Jeff's and your response backup my suggestion of going
with struts2 instead of struts1. Thanks again!
Priya
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Wyatt [mailto:jwyatt@itree.com.au]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:59 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: Struts1 and 2
Hi Priya,
I had a similar experience to Jeff... We've used Struts 1 on several
projects and had to choose whether to go with Struts 2 for our current
project. We went with Struts 2 and have been happy with the decision,
but there were pros and cons:
Pros of Struts2 (IMHO):
- flexible Interceptor stacks mean you can configure different of
interceptors per action... Neat and powerful.
- the Value Stack and OGNL save a lot of coding... No longer any need to
write everything to the request in your Action just access it in your
JSP page. Simply add get functions to your actions (or model bean if you
use
ModelDriven) and the JSP page will be able to access the variables. Very
elegant.
- Struts 2 creates an instance of the target Action per request. This
means no more multithreaded coding restrictions for you Actions! This
has been a great plus... You can now use full inheritance hierarcy for
your actions, which means you can put common member variables /
functions in a common BaseAction class. This reduces clutter in your
actions and makes them much more easy to understand and maintain.
- The HTML that struts 2 tags is template-driven. This means that if you
have any problems with what the struts2 tags are generating, you can
change it.
- community support for Struts 2 has been good.
Cons:
- We've been using Struts 2.0.6, which seems pretty solid, but we had
some problems with advanced features not behaving the way we expected.
We managed to get Ajax DIV refreshes and tabbed panels working after
some time figuring out the exact incantation. But some other
nice-to-have components don't seem to be production-ready, eg
<s:datetimepicker>. Apart from being buggy when not using the standard
US date format, it seems to slow down page rendering by 1-3 seconds.
- OGNL takes a bit of getting used to.
- we got bitten by the dependency on JDK 1.5. Our S2 web app worked fine
on Tomcat 5.5, but our client's production application server (Oracle AS
10.1.2) didn't support JDK 1.5 by default, and I've spent the last 2
weeks coming up with a satisfactory workaround.
Overall, I'm happy we decided to go with Struts 2, as it seems to save
coding time and ends up with neater, more maintainable code.
Regards
Jason
-----
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sivapatham, Hari [mailto:HSivapatham@empirix.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 1:31 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts1 and 2
Thanks a lot Jeff. You have confirmed my guess (its got to be better and
not all that different to use, right :). I hope other users can chime in
as well.
Priya
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Amiel [mailto:jeff.amiel@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:23 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts1 and 2
On 6/18/07, Sivapatham, Hari <HS...@empirix.com> wrote:
> Thanks Martin. I did look at the comparison. However as I don't know
> struts1, I am not able to judge whether a struts1 user would find
> struts2 concepts to be pretty much the same or radically different and
> hard to follow. I am looking for user perspective on how much of the
> knowledge gained from struts1 can be applied to struts2.
We are/have been a struts 1 shop for years....
While we didn't use all of the struts 1 bells and whistles that were
available, we did make good use of it.
Just started experimenting with struts 2 over last few weeks. You will
feel right at home. All of the differences (so far) have been welcome
additions.
We were heavy users of dynaaction forms....and not having to establish
all that configuration (just put the elements as class variables for the
action) was a real time-saver. Plus the ajax theme stuff that makes it
SOOO easy to have the results of an action simply update a div on the
jsp is super slick (we did that before with home grown ajax via dwr, but
with struts2, it is a
breeze.)
It's not as totally different as some people make out. You have still
have JSP's that submit data to actions which then result in returns to
JSP's.
(or xhtml/freemarker as you see fit). I have had a very pleasant time
over the last few weeks...making careful note of where I DON'T have to
write code anymore and struts2 asserts it's 'convention over
configuration' power.
Good luck!
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RE: Struts1 and 2
Posted by Jason Wyatt <jw...@itree.com.au>.
Hi Priya,
I had a similar experience to Jeff... We've used Struts 1 on several
projects and had to choose whether to go with Struts 2 for our current
project. We went with Struts 2 and have been happy with the decision, but
there were pros and cons:
Pros of Struts2 (IMHO):
- flexible Interceptor stacks mean you can configure different of
interceptors per action... Neat and powerful.
- the Value Stack and OGNL save a lot of coding... No longer any need to
write everything to the request in your Action just access it in your JSP
page. Simply add get functions to your actions (or model bean if you use
ModelDriven) and the JSP page will be able to access the variables. Very
elegant.
- Struts 2 creates an instance of the target Action per request. This means
no more multithreaded coding restrictions for you Actions! This has been a
great plus... You can now use full inheritance hierarcy for your actions,
which means you can put common member variables / functions in a common
BaseAction class. This reduces clutter in your actions and makes them much
more easy to understand and maintain.
- The HTML that struts 2 tags is template-driven. This means that if you
have any problems with what the struts2 tags are generating, you can change
it.
- community support for Struts 2 has been good.
Cons:
- We've been using Struts 2.0.6, which seems pretty solid, but we had some
problems with advanced features not behaving the way we expected. We managed
to get Ajax DIV refreshes and tabbed panels working after some time figuring
out the exact incantation. But some other nice-to-have components don't seem
to be production-ready, eg <s:datetimepicker>. Apart from being buggy when
not using the standard US date format, it seems to slow down page rendering
by 1-3 seconds.
- OGNL takes a bit of getting used to.
- we got bitten by the dependency on JDK 1.5. Our S2 web app worked fine on
Tomcat 5.5, but our client's production application server (Oracle AS
10.1.2) didn't support JDK 1.5 by default, and I've spent the last 2 weeks
coming up with a satisfactory workaround.
Overall, I'm happy we decided to go with Struts 2, as it seems to save
coding time and ends up with neater, more maintainable code.
Regards
Jason
-----
Falun Dafa Truth - Compassion - Forbearance
A mind & body practice under persecution in China
http://www.faluninfo.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Sivapatham, Hari [mailto:HSivapatham@empirix.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 1:31 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts1 and 2
Thanks a lot Jeff. You have confirmed my guess (its got to be better and not
all that different to use, right :). I hope other users can chime in as
well.
Priya
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Amiel [mailto:jeff.amiel@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:23 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts1 and 2
On 6/18/07, Sivapatham, Hari <HS...@empirix.com> wrote:
> Thanks Martin. I did look at the comparison. However as I don't know
> struts1, I am not able to judge whether a struts1 user would find
> struts2 concepts to be pretty much the same or radically different and
> hard to follow. I am looking for user perspective on how much of the
> knowledge gained from struts1 can be applied to struts2.
We are/have been a struts 1 shop for years....
While we didn't use all of the struts 1 bells and whistles that were
available, we did make good use of it.
Just started experimenting with struts 2 over last few weeks. You will feel
right at home. All of the differences (so far) have been welcome additions.
We were heavy users of dynaaction forms....and not having to establish all
that configuration (just put the elements as class variables for the action)
was a real time-saver. Plus the ajax theme stuff that makes it SOOO easy to
have the results of an action simply update a div on the jsp is super slick
(we did that before with home grown ajax via dwr, but with struts2, it is a
breeze.)
It's not as totally different as some people make out. You have still have
JSP's that submit data to actions which then result in returns to JSP's.
(or xhtml/freemarker as you see fit). I have had a very pleasant time over
the last few weeks...making careful note of where I DON'T have to write code
anymore and struts2 asserts it's 'convention over configuration' power.
Good luck!
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RE: Struts1 and 2
Posted by "Sivapatham, Hari" <HS...@empirix.com>.
Thanks a lot Jeff. You have confirmed my guess (its got to be better and
not all that different to use, right :). I hope other users can chime in
as well.
Priya
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Amiel [mailto:jeff.amiel@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:23 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts1 and 2
On 6/18/07, Sivapatham, Hari <HS...@empirix.com> wrote:
> Thanks Martin. I did look at the comparison. However as I don't know
> struts1, I am not able to judge whether a struts1 user would find
> struts2 concepts to be pretty much the same or radically different and
> hard to follow. I am looking for user perspective on how much of the
> knowledge gained from struts1 can be applied to struts2.
We are/have been a struts 1 shop for years....
While we didn't use all of the struts 1 bells and whistles that were
available, we did make good use of it.
Just started experimenting with struts 2 over last few weeks. You will
feel right at home. All of the differences (so far) have been welcome
additions. We were heavy users of dynaaction forms....and not having to
establish all that configuration (just put the elements as class
variables for the action) was a real time-saver. Plus the ajax theme
stuff that makes it SOOO easy to have the results of an action simply
update a div on the jsp is super slick (we did that before with home
grown ajax via dwr, but with struts2, it is a breeze.)
It's not as totally different as some people make out. You have still
have JSP's that submit data to actions which then result in returns to
JSP's. (or xhtml/freemarker as you see fit). I have had a very
pleasant time over the last few weeks...making careful note of where I
DON'T have to write code anymore and struts2 asserts it's 'convention
over configuration' power.
Good luck!
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Re: Struts1 and 2
Posted by Jeff Amiel <je...@gmail.com>.
On 6/18/07, Sivapatham, Hari <HS...@empirix.com> wrote:
> Thanks Martin. I did look at the comparison. However as I don't know
> struts1, I am not able to judge whether a struts1 user would find
> struts2 concepts to be pretty much the same or radically different and
> hard to follow. I am looking for user perspective on how much of the
> knowledge gained from struts1 can be applied to struts2.
We are/have been a struts 1 shop for years....
While we didn't use all of the struts 1 bells and whistles that were
available, we did make good use of it.
Just started experimenting with struts 2 over last few weeks. You
will feel right at home. All of the differences (so far) have been
welcome additions. We were heavy users of dynaaction forms....and not
having to establish all that configuration (just put the elements as
class variables for the action) was a real time-saver. Plus the ajax
theme stuff that makes it SOOO easy to have the results of an action
simply update a div on the jsp is super slick (we did that before with
home grown ajax via dwr, but with struts2, it is a breeze.)
It's not as totally different as some people make out. You have still
have JSP's that submit data to actions which then result in returns to
JSP's. (or xhtml/freemarker as you see fit). I have had a very
pleasant time over the last few weeks...making careful note of where I
DON'T have to write code anymore and struts2 asserts it's 'convention
over configuration' power.
Good luck!
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RE: Struts1 and 2
Posted by "Sivapatham, Hari" <HS...@empirix.com>.
Thanks Martin. I did look at the comparison. However as I don't know
struts1, I am not able to judge whether a struts1 user would find
struts2 concepts to be pretty much the same or radically different and
hard to follow. I am looking for user perspective on how much of the
knowledge gained from struts1 can be applied to struts2.
Thanks!
Priya
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts1 and 2
for comparison of the 2 environments did you take a look at
http://struts.apache.org/2.x/docs/comparing-struts-1-and-2.html
HTH
M-
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From: "Sivapatham, Hari" <HS...@empirix.com>
To: <us...@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:31 AM
Subject: Struts1 and 2
Hello,
Even though struts1 versus struts2 has been described in detail, I am
really looking for something qualitative that only struts users could
shed some light on. We are looking to choose a web framework for our
project and I suggested going with Struts2. However, since other product
teams in our company use struts1, there is some pressure to consider
struts1 as well. So, the question is, how much of the knowledge gained
from struts1 directly applicable to struts2?
Thanks
Priya
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Re: Struts1 and 2
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
for comparison of the 2 environments did you take a look at
http://struts.apache.org/2.x/docs/comparing-struts-1-and-2.html
HTH
M-
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From: "Sivapatham, Hari" <HS...@empirix.com>
To: <us...@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:31 AM
Subject: Struts1 and 2
Hello,
Even though struts1 versus struts2 has been described in detail, I am
really looking for something qualitative that only struts users could
shed some light on. We are looking to choose a web framework for our
project and I suggested going with Struts2. However, since other product
teams in our company use struts1, there is some pressure to consider
struts1 as well. So, the question is, how much of the knowledge gained
from struts1 directly applicable to struts2?
Thanks
Priya
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