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Posted to dev@clerezza.apache.org by Tsuyoshi Ito <ts...@trialox.org> on 2011/03/22 17:31:13 UTC
Website Apache Clerezza
Hi
I have added/updated the text of the following pages:
http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/index.html
http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/getting-started.html
http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/architecture.html
http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/downloads.html
http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/mailinglists.html
Notice:
- Content from architecture.html is taken from a scientific report
written by hasan. Some sections may be obsolete or have to be updated.
- There is also an draft FAQ template
(http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/faq.html).
The content is available in issue CLEREZZA-448.
Cheers
Tsuy
Re: Website Apache Clerezza
Posted by Hasan Hasan <ha...@trialox.org>.
"use cases" and "powered by" pages are indeed very interesting suggestions.
assuming clerezza - after some times (hopefully not taking years) - is
widely used to build semantic web applications and services, those use cases
would flow into "powered by" real cases.
At that time, use cases either stay as potential solutions based on clerezza
or they have been realized.
I support Marco's suggestions to sketch a few use cases and in particular
showing why clerezza is very much suitable, but also be honest to tell its
limitations (and if possible some plans to solve them).
Having said that, I wonder who would like to help writing such texts. I
think we can begin with some simple text skeleton for each use case
description in the use cases page(s).
Suggestion:
USE CASE 1: <Title>
Description: xxx
Key Problems: xxx
Solving Them In Clerezza Way: xxx
Limitations: xxx
cheers,
Hasan
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Tommaso Teofili
<to...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi all,
> I think one more thing could be to add a "Powered by" page which counts
> known solutions/platforms which rely on Apache Clerezza (i.e. Trialox CMS),
> that can be useful for people to try to understand what kind of
> product/application one can end up with using Clerezza.
> This is more pragmatic than the "use cases" page and I'd keep both as they
> respond to different concerns.
> Regards,
> Tommaso
>
>
> 2011/3/23 Marco Zaugg <ma...@getunik.com>
>
> > Hi Henry et all
> >
> > Use cases are definitely needed, not only for the devs but also for
> > decision makers and IT professionals.
> >
> > IMO the use case you described ergo 'the decentralised Social Network' is
> > just one
> > of many. There are many other cases, some of them are:
> >
> > - Enterprise Content Classification: decentralized storing and linking of
> > entities and data, i.e. WWF (Worldwide Fund for Nature) with more than 50
> > national and programme offices to share and find content across the
> network
> >
> > - Open Platforms for media companies and other content-centric companies
> > and organizations, i.e. The Guardian Open Platform (not done with
> Clerezza
> > though)
> >
> > - (Web) Content Management Systems such as the Trialox Web Content
> > Management System
> >
> > - Media monitoring: aggregate data feeds, annotate data and prioritize
> > content based on user behaviour, i.e. Read it Later, Instapaper (not done
> > with Clerezza) -> getunik/Trialox build a similar system though
> >
> >
> > In addition, the documentation should contain answers to the questions
> why
> > not building this type of systems with other platforms such as RoR,
> Spring,
> > Sling etc. Although this one is rather difficult as you can indeed build
> it
> > on other systems too, it should focus on the advantages using semweb
> > technologies. But should also talk about the disadvantages of them.
> >
> > My 2 cents.
> > Marco
> >
>
Re: Website Apache Clerezza
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
I think one more thing could be to add a "Powered by" page which counts
known solutions/platforms which rely on Apache Clerezza (i.e. Trialox CMS),
that can be useful for people to try to understand what kind of
product/application one can end up with using Clerezza.
This is more pragmatic than the "use cases" page and I'd keep both as they
respond to different concerns.
Regards,
Tommaso
2011/3/23 Marco Zaugg <ma...@getunik.com>
> Hi Henry et all
>
> Use cases are definitely needed, not only for the devs but also for
> decision makers and IT professionals.
>
> IMO the use case you described ergo 'the decentralised Social Network' is
> just one
> of many. There are many other cases, some of them are:
>
> - Enterprise Content Classification: decentralized storing and linking of
> entities and data, i.e. WWF (Worldwide Fund for Nature) with more than 50
> national and programme offices to share and find content across the network
>
> - Open Platforms for media companies and other content-centric companies
> and organizations, i.e. The Guardian Open Platform (not done with Clerezza
> though)
>
> - (Web) Content Management Systems such as the Trialox Web Content
> Management System
>
> - Media monitoring: aggregate data feeds, annotate data and prioritize
> content based on user behaviour, i.e. Read it Later, Instapaper (not done
> with Clerezza) -> getunik/Trialox build a similar system though
>
>
> In addition, the documentation should contain answers to the questions why
> not building this type of systems with other platforms such as RoR, Spring,
> Sling etc. Although this one is rather difficult as you can indeed build it
> on other systems too, it should focus on the advantages using semweb
> technologies. But should also talk about the disadvantages of them.
>
> My 2 cents.
> Marco
>
RE: Website Apache Clerezza
Posted by Marco Zaugg <ma...@getunik.com>.
Hi Henry et all
Use cases are definitely needed, not only for the devs but also for decision makers and IT professionals.
IMO the use case you described ergo 'the decentralised Social Network' is just one
of many. There are many other cases, some of them are:
- Enterprise Content Classification: decentralized storing and linking of entities and data, i.e. WWF (Worldwide Fund for Nature) with more than 50 national and programme offices to share and find content across the network
- Open Platforms for media companies and other content-centric companies and organizations, i.e. The Guardian Open Platform (not done with Clerezza though)
- (Web) Content Management Systems such as the Trialox Web Content Management System
- Media monitoring: aggregate data feeds, annotate data and prioritize content based on user behaviour, i.e. Read it Later, Instapaper (not done with Clerezza) -> getunik/Trialox build a similar system though
In addition, the documentation should contain answers to the questions why not building this type of systems with other platforms such as RoR, Spring, Sling etc. Although this one is rather difficult as you can indeed build it on other systems too, it should focus on the advantages using semweb technologies. But should also talk about the disadvantages of them.
My 2 cents.
Marco
Re: Website Apache Clerezza
Posted by Henry Story <he...@bblfish.net>.
On 23 Mar 2011, at 09:03, Tsuyoshi Ito wrote:
> Hi
>
> thanks for the feedback. I will update the page according to your inputs.
>
> I suggest to restructure the getting-stared section as follows:
>
> getting-stared is an overview. first-time user can find inks that
> might help to start more quicky:
>
> - Downloads (I suggest to link to the repo until a release is done)
> - Build Clerezza by yourself
> - Launching Clerezza
> - Clerezza Console
> - Clerezza Documentation => link to
> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/documentation/
> - Clerezza Tutorials (How to create a bundle in java using apache
> clerezza archetype, create bundle using clerezza console and
> bundledevtools etc...)
> - Link to Feliix => OSGi tutorial - Go to the tutorial page to learn
> some OSGi basics.
> - Link to Felix => OSGi FAQ - Check out the OSGi FAQ for answers to
> common questions.
>
> Is there something else?
yes. As it stands people will be impressed by the number of acronyms and cool technologies
used. But they will wonder: what for?
So what we need is a section that describes the Social Web use case:
- WebID authentication
- friending remote users
- inviting remote users to be friends (working on this)
- blogging on the social web (to be done)
For all of those I will need input on how to make those Clerezza components (currently in the account control panel) look good. At present they make a proof of concept, but they still are one big rough edge.
When that is done it should be an important part of the documentation, as it will answer the question: why use this and not some other tool?
Henry
>
> CHeers
> tsuy
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmuer
> <re...@trialox.org> wrote:
>> It does look nice!
>>
>> Just a few remarks:
>>
>> - The documentation on the instances which is also available on
>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/documentation/ shold be linked and
>> styled, even if we keep most pages static this one shouldn't be as we
>> otherwise duplicate work
>> - keep the uris cool by not having .html in them, i.e. for static files
>> create an index file i the respective folder
>> - we should write an easier getting started (using downloaded version and
>> bundledevtools) and have a seprate page on how to compile, the instruction
>> on installing bundles are outdated
>> - where to things like the howto on using the shell go to?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> reto
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Henry Story <he...@bblfish.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Looks very very nice!
>>>
>>> I have not checked the detailed content yet, but it feels like a serious
>> project. :-)
>>>
>>> I think it is worth having a link from the default http://clerezza.org/page to it,
>>> at the very least.
>>>
>>> Henry
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 Mar 2011, at 17:31, Tsuyoshi Ito wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I have added/updated the text of the following pages:
>>>>
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/index.html
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/getting-started.html
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/architecture.html
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/downloads.html
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/mailinglists.html
>>>>
>>>> Notice:
>>>> - Content from architecture.html is taken from a scientific report
>>>> written by hasan. Some sections may be obsolete or have to be updated.
>>>> - There is also an draft FAQ template
>>>> (http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/faq.html).
>>>>
>>>> The content is available in issue CLEREZZA-448.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Tsuy
>>>
>>> Social Web Architect
>>> http://bblfish.net/
>>>
>>>
>>
Social Web Architect
http://bblfish.net/
Re: Website Apache Clerezza
Posted by Tsuyoshi Ito <ts...@trialox.org>.
Hi
thanks for the feedback. I will update the page according to your inputs.
I suggest to restructure the getting-stared section as follows:
getting-stared is an overview. first-time user can find inks that
might help to start more quicky:
- Downloads (I suggest to link to the repo until a release is done)
- Build Clerezza by yourself
- Launching Clerezza
- Clerezza Console
- Clerezza Documentation => link to
http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/documentation/
- Clerezza Tutorials (How to create a bundle in java using apache
clerezza archetype, create bundle using clerezza console and
bundledevtools etc...)
- Link to Feliix => OSGi tutorial - Go to the tutorial page to learn
some OSGi basics.
- Link to Felix => OSGi FAQ - Check out the OSGi FAQ for answers to
common questions.
Is there something else?
CHeers
tsuy
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmuer
<re...@trialox.org> wrote:
> It does look nice!
>
> Just a few remarks:
>
> - The documentation on the instances which is also available on
> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/documentation/ shold be linked and
> styled, even if we keep most pages static this one shouldn't be as we
> otherwise duplicate work
> - keep the uris cool by not having .html in them, i.e. for static files
> create an index file i the respective folder
> - we should write an easier getting started (using downloaded version and
> bundledevtools) and have a seprate page on how to compile, the instruction
> on installing bundles are outdated
> - where to things like the howto on using the shell go to?
>
> Cheers,
> reto
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Henry Story <he...@bblfish.net>
> wrote:
>> Looks very very nice!
>>
>> I have not checked the detailed content yet, but it feels like a serious
> project. :-)
>>
>> I think it is worth having a link from the default http://clerezza.org/page to it,
>> at the very least.
>>
>> Henry
>>
>>
>> On 22 Mar 2011, at 17:31, Tsuyoshi Ito wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have added/updated the text of the following pages:
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/index.html
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/getting-started.html
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/architecture.html
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/downloads.html
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/mailinglists.html
>>>
>>> Notice:
>>> - Content from architecture.html is taken from a scientific report
>>> written by hasan. Some sections may be obsolete or have to be updated.
>>> - There is also an draft FAQ template
>>> (http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/faq.html).
>>>
>>> The content is available in issue CLEREZZA-448.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tsuy
>>
>> Social Web Architect
>> http://bblfish.net/
>>
>>
>
Re: Website Apache Clerezza
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmuer <re...@trialox.org>.
It does look nice!
Just a few remarks:
- The documentation on the instances which is also available on
http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/documentation/ shold be linked and
styled, even if we keep most pages static this one shouldn't be as we
otherwise duplicate work
- keep the uris cool by not having .html in them, i.e. for static files
create an index file i the respective folder
- we should write an easier getting started (using downloaded version and
bundledevtools) and have a seprate page on how to compile, the instruction
on installing bundles are outdated
- where to things like the howto on using the shell go to?
Cheers,
reto
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Henry Story <he...@bblfish.net>
wrote:
> Looks very very nice!
>
> I have not checked the detailed content yet, but it feels like a serious
project. :-)
>
> I think it is worth having a link from the default http://clerezza.org/page to it,
> at the very least.
>
> Henry
>
>
> On 22 Mar 2011, at 17:31, Tsuyoshi Ito wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have added/updated the text of the following pages:
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/index.html
>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/getting-started.html
>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/architecture.html
>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/downloads.html
>> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/mailinglists.html
>>
>> Notice:
>> - Content from architecture.html is taken from a scientific report
>> written by hasan. Some sections may be obsolete or have to be updated.
>> - There is also an draft FAQ template
>> (http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/faq.html).
>>
>> The content is available in issue CLEREZZA-448.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tsuy
>
> Social Web Architect
> http://bblfish.net/
>
>
Re: Website Apache Clerezza
Posted by Henry Story <he...@bblfish.net>.
Looks very very nice!
I have not checked the detailed content yet, but it feels like a serious project. :-)
I think it is worth having a link from the default http://clerezza.org/ page to it,
at the very least.
Henry
On 22 Mar 2011, at 17:31, Tsuyoshi Ito wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have added/updated the text of the following pages:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/index.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/getting-started.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/architecture.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/downloads.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/mailinglists.html
>
> Notice:
> - Content from architecture.html is taken from a scientific report
> written by hasan. Some sections may be obsolete or have to be updated.
> - There is also an draft FAQ template
> (http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/spike/faq.html).
>
> The content is available in issue CLEREZZA-448.
>
> Cheers
> Tsuy
Social Web Architect
http://bblfish.net/