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Posted to dev@streams.apache.org by Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com> on 2012/12/04 02:29:27 UTC
Getting Started with Incubation
The purpose of going through incubation is to ensure that we as a
community are operating under the Apache Way. This means a few
different things, including decision making, branding, legal
compliance, and community development. Rather than go through each of
these principles here, I have included links to resources that those
of you who are new to Apache should take some time reviewing
[1][2][3].
Now that we have or have requested the basic resources we need to
operate as a project, we can get on with the show. Throughout the
course of the project, there will be many decisions that we need to
make as a community. The ones that I think we should tackle first as
'warm up' exercises are as follows:
1) What type of Wiki? ASF Infra has two different types available:
MoinMoin & Confluence. There are tradeoff for each; but, Infra's
preference trends toward MoinMoin due to its management simplicity.
That doesn't disqualify Confluence, but something to be aware of.
2) Logo. We need a project logo for Apache Streams. Anyone have suggestions?
3) Committer/PMC metadata. Infra is still working on the website; but
as soon as it is ready to go, we need to figure out a process & place
for storing committer information. This may tie into later
discussions about build tools.
These 3 things are minor, but a good way to break the ice for the project.
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/index.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
[3] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html
Re: Getting Started with Incubation
Posted by Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> On 12/04/2012 02:29 AM, Matt Franklin wrote:
>>
>> 1) What type of Wiki? ASF Infra has two different types available:
>> MoinMoin & Confluence. There are tradeoff for each; but, Infra's
>> preference trends toward MoinMoin due to its management simplicity.
>> That doesn't disqualify Confluence, but something to be aware of.
>
>
> I personally prefer MoinMoin because exactly its simplicity and
> better/simpler support from infra. Confluence certainly looks nicer and is
> easier to create nice looking pages with, but I don't find that a benefit
> really as I think the main and user-oriented content should be on the main
> site. But I'm not against choosing Confluence either, as long as we keep the
> purposes of what belongs to the site and what on the wiki straight and
> clear.
So far, we have one preference for Confluence & another for MoinMoin.
Unless others have a strong opinion, I think we should just go with
MoinMoin as the setup time for INFRA is lower and it should suffice
for our needs.
Assuming lazy consensus, I will make the request for MoinMoin before
the end of the week.
-Matt
Re: Board Report ( was Getting Started with Incubation)
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com>.
I've submitted my request for Karma. Thanks for adding my name on the
December report.
Craig
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> On 12/06/2012 06:11 AM, Craig McClanahan wrote:
>
>> The wiki tells me that this is an immutable page, but +1 on the Streams
>> report.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> You need to request karma for your incubator wiki account to edit the
> incubator wiki on general@incubator.
> For now I've added your name to the mentor signed-off-by list, thanks.
>
> Ate
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>*
>> *wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've just saved an initial draft version for the report, see earlier
>>>> link
>>>> below.
>>>> Please review and update/adjust where needed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Note: There is a new IPMC policy that all mentors need to sign
>>> reports. Craig & Andrew, please review & sign off on the report as
>>> soon as you can.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/05/2012 03:20 AM, Matt Franklin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) We need to provide our first Incubator report [5] by tomorrow. I
>>>>>>
>>>>> don't
>>>
>>>> have time left today to draft something up, but if nobody else beats
>>>>>>
>>>>> me to
>>>
>>>> it before tomorrow evening, I'll can write up something simple (we
>>>>>>
>>>>> only got
>>>
>>>> started, not much to report anyway).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point Ate. For those of you who are new to Apache, each PMC
>>>>> reports the state of the project to the board on a quarterly basis.
>>>>> Since we are an incubator podling, which is effectively a sub project,
>>>>> we need to provide our report to the IPMC a little early so that the
>>>>> IPMC can review it and include it as part of the report they give to
>>>>> the board.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, as a new project, we are scheduled to report monthly for the
>>>>> first 3 months of our existence.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> [5] wiki.apache.org/incubator/**December2012<http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Board Report ( was Getting Started with Incubation)
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 12/06/2012 06:11 AM, Craig McClanahan wrote:
> The wiki tells me that this is an immutable page, but +1 on the Streams
> report.
>
> Craig
>
You need to request karma for your incubator wiki account to edit the incubator
wiki on general@incubator.
For now I've added your name to the mentor signed-off-by list, thanks.
Ate
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>> I've just saved an initial draft version for the report, see earlier link
>>> below.
>>> Please review and update/adjust where needed.
>>
>> Note: There is a new IPMC policy that all mentors need to sign
>> reports. Craig & Andrew, please review & sign off on the report as
>> soon as you can.
>>
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/05/2012 03:20 AM, Matt Franklin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 4, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) We need to provide our first Incubator report [5] by tomorrow. I
>> don't
>>>>> have time left today to draft something up, but if nobody else beats
>> me to
>>>>> it before tomorrow evening, I'll can write up something simple (we
>> only got
>>>>> started, not much to report anyway).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good point Ate. For those of you who are new to Apache, each PMC
>>>> reports the state of the project to the board on a quarterly basis.
>>>> Since we are an incubator podling, which is effectively a sub project,
>>>> we need to provide our report to the IPMC a little early so that the
>>>> IPMC can review it and include it as part of the report they give to
>>>> the board.
>>>>
>>>> Also, as a new project, we are scheduled to report monthly for the
>>>> first 3 months of our existence.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [5] wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012
>>>>>
>>>>> Ate
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Board Report ( was Getting Started with Incubation)
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org>.
The wiki tells me that this is an immutable page, but +1 on the Streams
report.
Craig
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> > I've just saved an initial draft version for the report, see earlier link
> > below.
> > Please review and update/adjust where needed.
>
> Note: There is a new IPMC policy that all mentors need to sign
> reports. Craig & Andrew, please review & sign off on the report as
> soon as you can.
>
> >
> > Ate
> >
> >
> > On 12/05/2012 03:20 AM, Matt Franklin wrote:
> >>
> >> On Dec 4, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 4) We need to provide our first Incubator report [5] by tomorrow. I
> don't
> >>> have time left today to draft something up, but if nobody else beats
> me to
> >>> it before tomorrow evening, I'll can write up something simple (we
> only got
> >>> started, not much to report anyway).
> >>
> >>
> >> Good point Ate. For those of you who are new to Apache, each PMC
> >> reports the state of the project to the board on a quarterly basis.
> >> Since we are an incubator podling, which is effectively a sub project,
> >> we need to provide our report to the IPMC a little early so that the
> >> IPMC can review it and include it as part of the report they give to
> >> the board.
> >>
> >> Also, as a new project, we are scheduled to report monthly for the
> >> first 3 months of our existence.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> [5] wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012
> >>>
> >>> Ate
> >>>
> >
>
Re: Board Report ( was Getting Started with Incubation)
Posted by Andrew Hart <ah...@apache.org>.
Matt,
I signed off on the report on the wiki yesterday. Looks great, and
thanks for the tip on the policy change.
Best,
Andrew.
On 12/05/2012 05:53 PM, Matt Franklin wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Ate Douma<at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> I've just saved an initial draft version for the report, see earlier link
>> below.
>> Please review and update/adjust where needed.
> Note: There is a new IPMC policy that all mentors need to sign
> reports. Craig& Andrew, please review& sign off on the report as
> soon as you can.
>
>> Ate
>>
>>
>> On 12/05/2012 03:20 AM, Matt Franklin wrote:
>>> On Dec 4, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ate Douma<at...@douma.nu> wrote
>>>>
>>>> 4) We need to provide our first Incubator report [5] by tomorrow. I don't
>>>> have time left today to draft something up, but if nobody else beats me to
>>>> it before tomorrow evening, I'll can write up something simple (we only got
>>>> started, not much to report anyway).
>>>
>>> Good point Ate. For those of you who are new to Apache, each PMC
>>> reports the state of the project to the board on a quarterly basis.
>>> Since we are an incubator podling, which is effectively a sub project,
>>> we need to provide our report to the IPMC a little early so that the
>>> IPMC can review it and include it as part of the report they give to
>>> the board.
>>>
>>> Also, as a new project, we are scheduled to report monthly for the
>>> first 3 months of our existence.
>>>
>>>> [5] wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012
>>>>
>>>> Ate
>>>>
Re: Board Report ( was Getting Started with Incubation)
Posted by Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> I've just saved an initial draft version for the report, see earlier link
> below.
> Please review and update/adjust where needed.
Note: There is a new IPMC policy that all mentors need to sign
reports. Craig & Andrew, please review & sign off on the report as
soon as you can.
>
> Ate
>
>
> On 12/05/2012 03:20 AM, Matt Franklin wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote
>>>
>>>
>>> 4) We need to provide our first Incubator report [5] by tomorrow. I don't
>>> have time left today to draft something up, but if nobody else beats me to
>>> it before tomorrow evening, I'll can write up something simple (we only got
>>> started, not much to report anyway).
>>
>>
>> Good point Ate. For those of you who are new to Apache, each PMC
>> reports the state of the project to the board on a quarterly basis.
>> Since we are an incubator podling, which is effectively a sub project,
>> we need to provide our report to the IPMC a little early so that the
>> IPMC can review it and include it as part of the report they give to
>> the board.
>>
>> Also, as a new project, we are scheduled to report monthly for the
>> first 3 months of our existence.
>>
>>>
>>> [5] wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>
Re: Board Report ( was Getting Started with Incubation)
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
I've just saved an initial draft version for the report, see earlier link below.
Please review and update/adjust where needed.
Ate
On 12/05/2012 03:20 AM, Matt Franklin wrote:
> On Dec 4, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote
>>
>> 4) We need to provide our first Incubator report [5] by tomorrow. I don't have time left today to draft something up, but if nobody else beats me to it before tomorrow evening, I'll can write up something simple (we only got started, not much to report anyway).
>
> Good point Ate. For those of you who are new to Apache, each PMC
> reports the state of the project to the board on a quarterly basis.
> Since we are an incubator podling, which is effectively a sub project,
> we need to provide our report to the IPMC a little early so that the
> IPMC can review it and include it as part of the report they give to
> the board.
>
> Also, as a new project, we are scheduled to report monthly for the
> first 3 months of our existence.
>
>>
>> [5] wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012
>>
>> Ate
>>
Board Report ( was Getting Started with Incubation)
Posted by Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>.
On Dec 4, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote
>
> 4) We need to provide our first Incubator report [5] by tomorrow. I don't have time left today to draft something up, but if nobody else beats me to it before tomorrow evening, I'll can write up something simple (we only got started, not much to report anyway).
Good point Ate. For those of you who are new to Apache, each PMC
reports the state of the project to the board on a quarterly basis.
Since we are an incubator podling, which is effectively a sub project,
we need to provide our report to the IPMC a little early so that the
IPMC can review it and include it as part of the report they give to
the board.
Also, as a new project, we are scheduled to report monthly for the
first 3 months of our existence.
>
> [5] wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012
>
> Ate
>
Re: Getting Started with Incubation
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 12/04/2012 02:29 AM, Matt Franklin wrote:
> The purpose of going through incubation is to ensure that we as a
> community are operating under the Apache Way. This means a few
> different things, including decision making, branding, legal
> compliance, and community development. Rather than go through each of
> these principles here, I have included links to resources that those
> of you who are new to Apache should take some time reviewing
> [1][2][3].
>
> Now that we have or have requested the basic resources we need to
> operate as a project, we can get on with the show. Throughout the
> course of the project, there will be many decisions that we need to
> make as a community. The ones that I think we should tackle first as
> 'warm up' exercises are as follows:
>
> 1) What type of Wiki? ASF Infra has two different types available:
> MoinMoin & Confluence. There are tradeoff for each; but, Infra's
> preference trends toward MoinMoin due to its management simplicity.
> That doesn't disqualify Confluence, but something to be aware of.
I personally prefer MoinMoin because exactly its simplicity and better/simpler
support from infra. Confluence certainly looks nicer and is easier to create
nice looking pages with, but I don't find that a benefit really as I think the
main and user-oriented content should be on the main site. But I'm not against
choosing Confluence either, as long as we keep the purposes of what belongs to
the site and what on the wiki straight and clear.
>
> 2) Logo. We need a project logo for Apache Streams. Anyone have suggestions?
I like the suggestion you just send of a mountain with streams coming together
into a river front.
I will also ask at the office if I can 'borrow' our new UI designer to come up
with one or two suggestions (no promises yet: he's *very* occupied).
>
> 3) Committer/PMC metadata. Infra is still working on the website; but
> as soon as it is ready to go, we need to figure out a process & place
> for storing committer information. This may tie into later
> discussions about build tools.
>
> These 3 things are minor, but a good way to break the ice for the project.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/index.html
> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
> [3] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html
>
4) We need to provide our first Incubator report [5] by tomorrow. I don't have
time left today to draft something up, but if nobody else beats me to it before
tomorrow evening, I'll can write up something simple (we only got started, not
much to report anyway).
[5] wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2012
Ate
Re: Getting Started with Incubation
Posted by Jason Letourneau <jl...@gmail.com>.
I can recruit a designer as well
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 4, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> How about a mountain with various small streams coming together into a
>> river in front?
>
>
> To embellish this slightly (albeit not so realistically, maybe the streams
> could come together for a bit and then separate again? That would visually
> present a bit more of the idea, although it might be tough to do in a small
> icon image.
>
>
>> Does anyone have graphic arts skills, or at least
>> access to someone who does?
>>
>> Whenever I try to do anything "artistic" with either images or CSS, my
> colleagues laugh at me, so I'm not the person to do this :-). Will see if
> I can get our UI folks to spare a few minutes, though.
>
> Craig
Re: Getting Started with Incubation
Posted by Venkat Mahadevan <ne...@gmail.com>.
Streams idea is a good idea, i was thinking about having 0s and 1s in
separate stream and getting merged into one stream....a digital way of
depicting maybe?
Also i was thinking of using the apache gif (
http://apache.org/images/feather-small.gif) and using the veins of the
feather as streams and all the small streams joining the main vein that
runs in the middle...maybe something like that.
again no graphic skills :-)
-Venkat
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Matt Franklin <m.ben.franklin@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > How about a mountain with various small streams coming together into a
> > river in front?
>
>
> To embellish this slightly (albeit not so realistically, maybe the streams
> could come together for a bit and then separate again? That would visually
> present a bit more of the idea, although it might be tough to do in a small
> icon image.
>
>
> > Does anyone have graphic arts skills, or at least
> > access to someone who does?
> >
> > Whenever I try to do anything "artistic" with either images or CSS, my
> colleagues laugh at me, so I'm not the person to do this :-). Will see if
> I can get our UI folks to spare a few minutes, though.
>
> Craig
>
Re: Getting Started with Incubation
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> How about a mountain with various small streams coming together into a
> river in front?
To embellish this slightly (albeit not so realistically, maybe the streams
could come together for a bit and then separate again? That would visually
present a bit more of the idea, although it might be tough to do in a small
icon image.
> Does anyone have graphic arts skills, or at least
> access to someone who does?
>
> Whenever I try to do anything "artistic" with either images or CSS, my
colleagues laugh at me, so I'm not the person to do this :-). Will see if
I can get our UI folks to spare a few minutes, though.
Craig
Re: Getting Started with Incubation
Posted by Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>.
On Dec 4, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Jason Letourneau <jl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1) My preference for the Wiki is Confluence, simply because I am not
> familiar with MoinMoin.
>
> 2) What about something found in streams of water like a trout:
> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdqmDMMOER7PEU8azKiElP4nZrPauHrbt0CU3cTmhTFk1w9vIu
How about a mountain with various small streams coming together into a
river in front? Does anyone have graphic arts skills, or at least
access to someone who does?
I propose we get a few candidates together and then hold a vote.
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The purpose of going through incubation is to ensure that we as a
>> community are operating under the Apache Way. This means a few
>> different things, including decision making, branding, legal
>> compliance, and community development. Rather than go through each of
>> these principles here, I have included links to resources that those
>> of you who are new to Apache should take some time reviewing
>> [1][2][3].
>>
>> Now that we have or have requested the basic resources we need to
>> operate as a project, we can get on with the show. Throughout the
>> course of the project, there will be many decisions that we need to
>> make as a community. The ones that I think we should tackle first as
>> 'warm up' exercises are as follows:
>>
>> 1) What type of Wiki? ASF Infra has two different types available:
>> MoinMoin & Confluence. There are tradeoff for each; but, Infra's
>> preference trends toward MoinMoin due to its management simplicity.
>> That doesn't disqualify Confluence, but something to be aware of.
>>
>> 2) Logo. We need a project logo for Apache Streams. Anyone have suggestions?
>>
>> 3) Committer/PMC metadata. Infra is still working on the website; but
>> as soon as it is ready to go, we need to figure out a process & place
>> for storing committer information. This may tie into later
>> discussions about build tools.
>>
>> These 3 things are minor, but a good way to break the ice for the project.
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/index.html
>> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
>> [3] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html
Re: Getting Started with Incubation
Posted by Jason Letourneau <jl...@gmail.com>.
1) My preference for the Wiki is Confluence, simply because I am not
familiar with MoinMoin.
2) What about something found in streams of water like a trout:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdqmDMMOER7PEU8azKiElP4nZrPauHrbt0CU3cTmhTFk1w9vIu
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com> wrote:
> The purpose of going through incubation is to ensure that we as a
> community are operating under the Apache Way. This means a few
> different things, including decision making, branding, legal
> compliance, and community development. Rather than go through each of
> these principles here, I have included links to resources that those
> of you who are new to Apache should take some time reviewing
> [1][2][3].
>
> Now that we have or have requested the basic resources we need to
> operate as a project, we can get on with the show. Throughout the
> course of the project, there will be many decisions that we need to
> make as a community. The ones that I think we should tackle first as
> 'warm up' exercises are as follows:
>
> 1) What type of Wiki? ASF Infra has two different types available:
> MoinMoin & Confluence. There are tradeoff for each; but, Infra's
> preference trends toward MoinMoin due to its management simplicity.
> That doesn't disqualify Confluence, but something to be aware of.
>
> 2) Logo. We need a project logo for Apache Streams. Anyone have suggestions?
>
> 3) Committer/PMC metadata. Infra is still working on the website; but
> as soon as it is ready to go, we need to figure out a process & place
> for storing committer information. This may tie into later
> discussions about build tools.
>
> These 3 things are minor, but a good way to break the ice for the project.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/index.html
> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
> [3] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html