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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Rong Yu <ry...@firelogic.com> on 2003/10/16 21:07:53 UTC
display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
Hi,
I have been using struts for our project, but our web design teem is complaining about not being able to see struts tag in Deamveaver(MX) design view. So they can not do such simple things as adding items to a combobox using design tools. Instead they have to know how struts tag work and hard code it. It has the same problem for all struts tags.
Is there any way to deal with this problem?
Thanks.
-Rong
Re: display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
Posted by Christian Bollmeyer <ja...@christianbollmeyer.de>.
Am Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2003 21:07 schrieb Rong Yu:
> Hi,
>
> I have been using struts for our project, but our web design teem is
> complaining about not being able to see struts tag in Deamveaver(MX)
> design view. So they can not do such simple things as adding items to
> a combobox using design tools. Instead they have to know how struts
> tag work and hard code it. It has the same problem for all struts
> tags.
Well, we also use DreamWeaver MX sometimes for checking if the
overall layout is alright, and its major advantage is that it doesn't
complain about JSP tags and leaves them more or less untouched.
I don't know why designers like this tool, but that's their part. For
me, it's much too cluttered and tends to break the code formatting.
Still, it's nessary sometimes. Considering the display tags (and
other tags): I doubt that tools can provide an exact preview
of how the output will look like without running the page on
the server, for it's rather undeterminable what HTML may be
rendered in the end. So IMHO the best approach is to put
your pages on a Tomcat server (or whatever), let it generate
the HTML and finally have the web designer deal with the
fancy stuff based on the results. IIRC DreamWeaver MX
also has a 'live' mode that supports dynamic output, but
as we don't use it, I don't have any experience with that.
Or you can put it like this: a web application may live well
without the web designers, but not without the Java
developers that deliver the contents, and form follows
function, as always. Then, as a developer, you only
have to deal with HTML on a low-level basis, ensuring
that the general layout is correct and the application pro-
duces valid HTML code the target platform(s) understands.
For complex layouts, I usually tell the designer to save
a static snapshot of the Tomcat results and work on
that. Then, I take this page and either add the fancy
things to the JSP or add the actual tags to it, whichever
is easier. Furthermore, we make an almost excessive
use of the Tiles plugin, as it allows one to split up a
complex design into several pieces and work on
each one seperately until it looks as expected. You
can learn Tiles in about two hours, and it's perfectly
integrated into Struts.
Finally, when it comes to HTML editing, nowadays
I generally tend to steer clear from any products
that are targeted at web designers in the first
place. Actually, I code HTML the low-level way
using my code editor and make use of things
like DreamWeaver only for cross-checking
if I missed something like ending tags or if
nested tables will display right and the like.
For this, DreamWeaver MX is clearly over-
featured. From a developers view, something
like the JSP editor that's integrated in
Oracle's JDev 10g is a nearly perfect fit
in this direction IMHO, though I personally
don't do much HTML anymore (apart from
my personal website) except in times of
need. YMMV.
HTH,
-- Chris.
> Is there any way to deal with this problem?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Rong
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Re: display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
Posted by Barry Volpe <st...@childrencare.com>.
Sorry as I indicated I have not tried them out.
I have used Dreamweaver in the past (without struts tags) but now just
use an html editor with struts tags.
I had a temporary interest and investigated struts support in Dreamweaver.
You could probably send an email to the link I gave you.
http://www.fwasi.com/contact/
Hope this helps,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rong Yu" <ry...@firelogic.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
> Barry,
>
> I guess most people don't use these plug-ins like yourself. How are you
deal
> with that display problems in design view? Personally, I don't care that
> much as a programmer, but if you are managing a big project, will this be
a
> issue? Our project manager try to force us not to use struts tags, but i
am
> still using some.
>
> -Rong
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Volpe" <st...@childrencare.com>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
>
>
> > Haven't used them but here are some products:
> > Not free
> > http://www.fwasi.com/
> >
> > free?
> >
> > http://www.jahia.org/jahia/Jahia/cache/offonce/pid/234
> >
> > Barry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rong Yu" <ry...@firelogic.com>
> > To: "Struts-Jakarta" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:07 PM
> > Subject: display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been using struts for our project, but our web design teem is
> > complaining about not being able to see struts tag in Deamveaver(MX)
> design
> > view. So they can not do such simple things as adding items to a
combobox
> > using design tools. Instead they have to know how struts tag work and
hard
> > code it. It has the same problem for all struts tags.
> >
> > Is there any way to deal with this problem?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -Rong
> >
> >
> >
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Re: display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
Posted by Rong Yu <ry...@firelogic.com>.
Barry,
I guess most people don't use these plug-ins like yourself. How are you deal
with that display problems in design view? Personally, I don't care that
much as a programmer, but if you are managing a big project, will this be a
issue? Our project manager try to force us not to use struts tags, but i am
still using some.
-Rong
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Volpe" <st...@childrencare.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
> Haven't used them but here are some products:
> Not free
> http://www.fwasi.com/
>
> free?
>
> http://www.jahia.org/jahia/Jahia/cache/offonce/pid/234
>
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rong Yu" <ry...@firelogic.com>
> To: "Struts-Jakarta" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:07 PM
> Subject: display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been using struts for our project, but our web design teem is
> complaining about not being able to see struts tag in Deamveaver(MX)
design
> view. So they can not do such simple things as adding items to a combobox
> using design tools. Instead they have to know how struts tag work and hard
> code it. It has the same problem for all struts tags.
>
> Is there any way to deal with this problem?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Rong
>
>
>
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Re: display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
Posted by Barry Volpe <st...@childrencare.com>.
Haven't used them but here are some products:
Not free
http://www.fwasi.com/
free?
http://www.jahia.org/jahia/Jahia/cache/offonce/pid/234
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rong Yu" <ry...@firelogic.com>
To: "Struts-Jakarta" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: display struts tag in Deamveaver design view
Hi,
I have been using struts for our project, but our web design teem is
complaining about not being able to see struts tag in Deamveaver(MX) design
view. So they can not do such simple things as adding items to a combobox
using design tools. Instead they have to know how struts tag work and hard
code it. It has the same problem for all struts tags.
Is there any way to deal with this problem?
Thanks.
-Rong
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