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About content management
Hi again,
Since I work with the jetspeed portal I've seen a lot of progress out
there.
I realized that it has it's own content management applications inside
the jetspeed admin tools. Though they are not good enough to be used in
the day to day work. I use to create and remove pages by hand.
I question myself if the CMS part is needed in this project.
I know OneHippo has it's own implementation based on jackrabbit (I
think). But I suppose that doing this in jetspeed will be a lot of work.
So...
What do you think about dropping this part and focus efforts in
enhancing what's working right now. Maybe it can be regained a little
bit later with new tools and options like semantic web, lucene and
jackrabbit, maybe others... Don't know just guessing...
...And I have to say that current implementation is deleting my pages...
It just empty some files so no content inside. This happens from time to
time...
Thank you guys.
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Re: Deleting Pages - was Re: About content management
Posted by Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado <ga...@aguilardelgado.com>.
Hi Randy,
I'm using the file xml implementation.
I've no concurrent writers since normally I'm the only user when this
happens.
I think that something like this happens (but I'm not able to verify):
I change page configuration.
It seems to hold changes on memory.
Something wrong happens in the middle. Maybe permissions dropped
or something else weird.
The program writes the page that was in memory, but because the
error, the page is empty.
I have to check this more deeply because I had not much time to debug.
Give me some days to check this out.
But I will take some time more because the problem I reported about lost
sessions. I will put this problem
in another thread to not mix things...
Logs says nothing but I will check.
El mié, 09-06-2010 a las 11:51 -0600, Randy Watler escribió:
> Gonzalo,
>
> I cant comment on the CMS issues and plans, but I am curious about your
> Page Manager issues below.
>
> Are you using the PSML XML file based implementation or the DBPSML one?
>
> Any chance of concurrent writers or other access patterns that you might
> be able to identify or guess at?
>
> Nothing in the logs I assume?
>
> Randy
>
> Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado wrote:
> > Hi again,
> >
> >
> >
> > ...And I have to say that current implementation is deleting my pages...
> >
> > It just empty some files so no content inside. This happens from time to
> > time...
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Deleting Pages - was Re: About content management
Posted by Randy Watler <wa...@wispertel.net>.
Gonzalo,
I cant comment on the CMS issues and plans, but I am curious about your
Page Manager issues below.
Are you using the PSML XML file based implementation or the DBPSML one?
Any chance of concurrent writers or other access patterns that you might
be able to identify or guess at?
Nothing in the logs I assume?
Randy
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado wrote:
> Hi again,
>
>
>
> ...And I have to say that current implementation is deleting my pages...
>
> It just empty some files so no content inside. This happens from time to
> time...
>
>
>
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Re: About content management [ERROR Report]
Posted by Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado <ga...@aguilardelgado.com>.
El mar, 22-06-2010 a las 17:34 -0700, David Sean Taylor escribió:
> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado
> <ga...@aguilardelgado.com> wrote:
> > Yes but it seems to be worse...
> >
> > As I can see even the files distributed with jetspeed can be zeroed...
> >
> > I mean, I found that default-page.psml that comes with jetspeed was the
> > last error for me
> > but may happen in any other.
> >
> > I started a little test to see if I'm able to create a storage backend
> > based on jackrabbit.
> >
> > But as I'm novell in both projects It will take me a while to have a
> > solution.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > PS: It's necessary that others confirms this problem. Try creating and
> > deleting spaces, pages and
> > portlets inside pages.
>
> Woonsan, myself and a QA engineer tested quite a lot for the 2.2.1
> release including unit tests (see TestPageLayoutService.java) for the
> REST APIs used by Jetui. I am not questioning your errors, but Im just
> saying we didn't come across those kind of errors. Please create a
> JIRA issue with clear instructions of how we can reproduce the errors
> and we will try to get it fixed
Hi David,
I'm trying to find the problem and how to reproduce. Not always happens.
I cloned the repository
to another workspace to see if I can find a testcase. As soon as I have
something to say I will
open a JIRA issue.
For now maybe you can ignore this.
Let me work on this a little bit to find more clues.
Tnx.
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Re: About content management [ERROR Report]
Posted by David Sean Taylor <d....@onehippo.com>.
Hi Gonzalo,
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado
<ga...@aguilardelgado.com> wrote:
> Yes but it seems to be worse...
>
> As I can see even the files distributed with jetspeed can be zeroed...
>
> I mean, I found that default-page.psml that comes with jetspeed was the
> last error for me
> but may happen in any other.
>
> I started a little test to see if I'm able to create a storage backend
> based on jackrabbit.
>
> But as I'm novell in both projects It will take me a while to have a
> solution.
>
> Thank you.
>
> PS: It's necessary that others confirms this problem. Try creating and
> deleting spaces, pages and
> portlets inside pages.
Woonsan, myself and a QA engineer tested quite a lot for the 2.2.1
release including unit tests (see TestPageLayoutService.java) for the
REST APIs used by Jetui. I am not questioning your errors, but Im just
saying we didn't come across those kind of errors. Please create a
JIRA issue with clear instructions of how we can reproduce the errors
and we will try to get it fixed
Thanks
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Re: About content management [ERROR Report]
Posted by Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado <ga...@aguilardelgado.com>.
Yes but it seems to be worse...
As I can see even the files distributed with jetspeed can be zeroed...
I mean, I found that default-page.psml that comes with jetspeed was the
last error for me
but may happen in any other.
I started a little test to see if I'm able to create a storage backend
based on jackrabbit.
But as I'm novell in both projects It will take me a while to have a
solution.
Thank you.
PS: It's necessary that others confirms this problem. Try creating and
deleting spaces, pages and
portlets inside pages.
El vie, 18-06-2010 a las 17:30 -0700, David Sean Taylor escribió:
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado
> <ga...@aguilardelgado.com> wrote:
> > This is what I find when it fails:
> >
> > This normally means that pages/default-page.psml will be emptied...
> >
> > And this happens a lot of times when playing with pages.
> >
> > --------
> >
> >
> > [Fatal Error] :-1:-1: Premature end of file.
>
> Sounds like the file is corrupted or the XML is not valid. Could you
> send me the file that is failing?
>
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Re: About content management [ERROR Report]
Posted by David Sean Taylor <d....@onehippo.com>.
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado
<ga...@aguilardelgado.com> wrote:
> This is what I find when it fails:
>
> This normally means that pages/default-page.psml will be emptied...
>
> And this happens a lot of times when playing with pages.
>
> --------
>
>
> [Fatal Error] :-1:-1: Premature end of file.
Sounds like the file is corrupted or the XML is not valid. Could you
send me the file that is failing?
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Re: About content management [ERROR Report]
Posted by Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado <ga...@aguilardelgado.com>.
This is what I find when it fails:
This normally means that pages/default-page.psml will be emptied...
And this happens a lot of times when playing with pages.
--------
[Fatal Error] :-1:-1: Premature end of file.
[Fatal Error] :-1:-1: Premature end of file.
[Fatal Error] :-1:-1: Premature end of file.
[Fatal Error] :-1:-1: Premature end of file.
org.apache.jetspeed.page.PageNotFoundException: Could not unmarshal the
file /home/gad/workspace/.metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.wst.server.core/tmp0/webapps/crm/WEB-INF/pages/default-page.psml
at
org.apache.jetspeed.page.document.psml.CastorFileSystemDocumentHandler.unmarshallDocument(CastorFileSystemDocumentHandler.java:571)
at
org.apache.jetspeed.page.document.psml.CastorFileSystemDocumentHandler.getDocument(CastorFileSystemDocumentHandler.java:685)
at
org.apache.jetspeed.page.document.psml.CastorFileSystemDocumentHandler.refresh(CastorFileSystemDocumentHandler.java:739)
at org.apache.jetspeed.cache.file.FileCache
$1.notifyElementChanged(FileCache.java:209)
at org.apache.jetspeed.cache.impl.EhCacheImpl
$1.notifyElementUpdated(EhCacheImpl.java:146)
at
net.sf.ehcache.event.RegisteredEventListeners.notifyElementUpdated(RegisteredEventListeners.java:114)
at net.sf.ehcache.Cache.put(Cache.java:864)
at net.sf.ehcache.Cache.put(Cache.java:796)
at org.apache.jetspeed.cache.impl.EhCacheImpl.put(EhCacheImpl.java:74)
at org.apache.jetspeed.cache.file.FileCache
$FileCacheScanner.run(FileCache.java:348)
Caused by: Premature end of file.
at
org.exolab.castor.xml.Unmarshaller.convertSAXExceptionToMarshalException(Unmarshaller.java:775)
at org.exolab.castor.xml.Unmarshaller.unmarshal(Unmarshaller.java:672)
at
org.apache.jetspeed.page.document.psml.CastorFileSystemDocumentHandler.unmarshallDocument(CastorFileSystemDocumentHandler.java:424)
... 9 more
Caused by: org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: Premature end of file.
at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(Unknown Source)
at org.apache.xerces.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(Unknown
Source)
at
org.apache.jetspeed.page.document.psml.CastorFileSystemDocumentHandler
$2.start(CastorFileSystemDocumentHandler.java:542)
at org.exolab.castor.xml.Unmarshaller.unmarshal(Unmarshaller.java:669)
... 10 more
El lun, 14-06-2010 a las 10:30 +0200, Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado escribió:
>
>
> El jue, 10-06-2010 a las 12:23 -0700, David Sean Taylor escribió:
> > > Don't think we talk about the same thing. I'm talking about the portlets
> > > that create pages inside the j2-admin project.
> >
> > Yes, I was confused, sorry.
> >
> > > that create pages inside the j2-admin project.
> > > They work but are not the best in the world by far.
> > > I really can't manage the site with this portlets. Also the treeview
> > > inside the pagemanager does not work too well.
> >
> > Yes, the UI isn't perfect in the Site Manager administrative portlet.
> > With the Jetui interface, you can quickly create pages and folders
> > from the Page Navigator. Have you tried that?
>
> Yes but it keeps constantly missworking. I found several problems with
> that:
>
> 1.- Pages are created but really never shows ups.
> 2.- It creates pages empty. Maybe it can't find a template to
> create new pages?
> 3.- Cannot create subfolders.
> 4.- When navigating, engine sometimes left pages with empty
> content behind were a full page used to exist.
> 5.- It make the whole system unstable as sometimes it founds the
> pages and sometimes it fails to load them.
>
>
> I really don't use the UI to manage site content I just do that by hand.
> I'm also afraid someone than me will do that because it will surely
> broke.
>
> But it's not a complain, believe me, but current status is not
> enterprise quality. While the rest of the system is it or can be.
>
> That's why I say to not develop much that part and concentrate on the
> others. Maybe we can add this at later time.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: About content management
Posted by Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado <ga...@aguilardelgado.com>.
El jue, 10-06-2010 a las 12:23 -0700, David Sean Taylor escribió:
> > Don't think we talk about the same thing. I'm talking about the portlets
> > that create pages inside the j2-admin project.
>
> Yes, I was confused, sorry.
>
> > that create pages inside the j2-admin project.
> > They work but are not the best in the world by far.
> > I really can't manage the site with this portlets. Also the treeview
> > inside the pagemanager does not work too well.
>
> Yes, the UI isn't perfect in the Site Manager administrative portlet.
> With the Jetui interface, you can quickly create pages and folders
> from the Page Navigator. Have you tried that?
Yes but it keeps constantly missworking. I found several problems with
that:
1.- Pages are created but really never shows ups.
2.- It creates pages empty. Maybe it can't find a template to
create new pages?
3.- Cannot create subfolders.
4.- When navigating, engine sometimes left pages with empty
content behind were a full page used to exist.
5.- It make the whole system unstable as sometimes it founds the
pages and sometimes it fails to load them.
I really don't use the UI to manage site content I just do that by hand.
I'm also afraid someone than me will do that because it will surely
broke.
But it's not a complain, believe me, but current status is not
enterprise quality. While the rest of the system is it or can be.
That's why I say to not develop much that part and concentrate on the
others. Maybe we can add this at later time.
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Re: About content management
Posted by David Sean Taylor <d....@onehippo.com>.
> Don't think we talk about the same thing. I'm talking about the portlets
> that create pages inside the j2-admin project.
Yes, I was confused, sorry.
> that create pages inside the j2-admin project.
> They work but are not the best in the world by far.
> I really can't manage the site with this portlets. Also the treeview
> inside the pagemanager does not work too well.
Yes, the UI isn't perfect in the Site Manager administrative portlet.
With the Jetui interface, you can quickly create pages and folders
from the Page Navigator. Have you tried that?
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado
<ga...@aguilardelgado.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado
>> <ga...@aguilardelgado.com> wrote:
>> > Hi again,
>> >
>> >
>> > Since I work with the jetspeed portal I've seen a lot of progress out
>> > there.
>> >
>> > I realized that it has it's own content management applications inside
>> > the jetspeed admin tools. Though they are not good enough to be used in
>> > the day to day work. I use to create and remove pages by hand.
>> >
>> > I question myself if the CMS part is needed in this project.
>> >
>> > I know OneHippo has it's own implementation based on jackrabbit (I
>> > think). But I suppose that doing this in jetspeed will be a lot of work.
>> > So...
>> >
>> > What do you think about dropping this part and focus efforts in
>> > enhancing what's working right now. Maybe it can be regained a little
>> > bit later with new tools and options like semantic web, lucene and
>> > jackrabbit, maybe others... Don't know just guessing...
>> >
>> >
>> If you are talking about the File Portlets, I don't like them. There
>> has been sandbox activity lately in supporting JCR content
>> applications, but at the portlet application level, not the portal
>
>
> Don't think we talk about the same thing. I'm talking about the portlets
> that create pages inside the j2-admin project.
>
> They work but are not the best in the world by far.
>
> I really can't manage the site with this portlets. Also the treeview
> inside the pagemanager does not work too well.
>
> That's why it can be best drop them and create a good tutorial on how to
> do this management by hand until better solution is found.
>
> Or at least not to put much effort on them.
>
> Don't you think?
>
> Tnx
>
>
>
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Re: About content management
Posted by Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado <ga...@aguilardelgado.com>.
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado
> <ga...@aguilardelgado.com> wrote:
> > Hi again,
> >
> >
> > Since I work with the jetspeed portal I've seen a lot of progress out
> > there.
> >
> > I realized that it has it's own content management applications inside
> > the jetspeed admin tools. Though they are not good enough to be used in
> > the day to day work. I use to create and remove pages by hand.
> >
> > I question myself if the CMS part is needed in this project.
> >
> > I know OneHippo has it's own implementation based on jackrabbit (I
> > think). But I suppose that doing this in jetspeed will be a lot of work.
> > So...
> >
> > What do you think about dropping this part and focus efforts in
> > enhancing what's working right now. Maybe it can be regained a little
> > bit later with new tools and options like semantic web, lucene and
> > jackrabbit, maybe others... Don't know just guessing...
> >
> >
> If you are talking about the File Portlets, I don't like them. There
> has been sandbox activity lately in supporting JCR content
> applications, but at the portlet application level, not the portal
Don't think we talk about the same thing. I'm talking about the portlets
that create pages inside the j2-admin project.
They work but are not the best in the world by far.
I really can't manage the site with this portlets. Also the treeview
inside the pagemanager does not work too well.
That's why it can be best drop them and create a good tutorial on how to
do this management by hand until better solution is found.
Or at least not to put much effort on them.
Don't you think?
Tnx
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Re: About content management
Posted by David Sean Taylor <d....@onehippo.com>.
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado
<ga...@aguilardelgado.com> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
>
> Since I work with the jetspeed portal I've seen a lot of progress out
> there.
>
> I realized that it has it's own content management applications inside
> the jetspeed admin tools. Though they are not good enough to be used in
> the day to day work. I use to create and remove pages by hand.
>
> I question myself if the CMS part is needed in this project.
>
> I know OneHippo has it's own implementation based on jackrabbit (I
> think). But I suppose that doing this in jetspeed will be a lot of work.
> So...
>
> What do you think about dropping this part and focus efforts in
> enhancing what's working right now. Maybe it can be regained a little
> bit later with new tools and options like semantic web, lucene and
> jackrabbit, maybe others... Don't know just guessing...
>
>
If you are talking about the File Portlets, I don't like them. There
has been sandbox activity lately in supporting JCR content
applications, but at the portlet application level, not the portal
see https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/portals/applications/sandbox/content/trunk
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