New project name

["Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>]

We may as well start this thread.  I recall the name "Ki" being  
proposed.  I like it a lot.  It's short and concise.  Are there any  
other contenders?


Regards,
Alan

Re: New project name

[Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>]

If anyone else has any name suggestions, and you've done the due diligence
required to verify there is no name conflict, please speak now or forever
hold your peace!

:)

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>wrote:

>
> On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:36 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
>
>  Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>
>>> When you formulate the initial VOTE post, can you clarify that if anyone
>>> votes -1, that they should provide an alternate name that does NOT have a
>>> conflict in the USTO patent/trademark search?
>>>
>>>  I would do that in two steps :
>> - first, select a name which does not conflict with anything. We have a
>> few of them already proposed (ki being one of them). We will very quickly
>> find a small subset of acceptable names, whatever they are.
>> - then, launch a VOTE for those names, and do the math.
>>
>> Those who are members of the IPMC, ie who have a binding vote, should not
>> be able to veto names in the second category. For instance, whatever name
>> you pick in the restricted list selected in step 1 fits me, so I would
>> consider my VOTE as a simple preference (or I can also not vote or vote +0
>> or -0), just to let you guys pick the name you like, as I'm just a mentor.
>>
>> Does it sound good ?
>>
>> PS : we are not in a hurry, but as soon as we start the process, it should
>> be closed in 72 hours, otherwise we can discuss forever :) So here, in one
>> week, we _must_ be done !
>>
>
> It's my understanding that I have started step 1 last week.  Here are the
> names we have so far:
>
> ki
> jsec
>
> I will start the the vote for these names tonight.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>

Re: New project name

["Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>]

On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:36 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:

> Les Hazlewood wrote:
>> When you formulate the initial VOTE post, can you clarify that if  
>> anyone
>> votes -1, that they should provide an alternate name that does NOT  
>> have a
>> conflict in the USTO patent/trademark search?
>>
> I would do that in two steps :
> - first, select a name which does not conflict with anything. We  
> have a few of them already proposed (ki being one of them). We will  
> very quickly find a small subset of acceptable names, whatever they  
> are.
> - then, launch a VOTE for those names, and do the math.
>
> Those who are members of the IPMC, ie who have a binding vote,  
> should not be able to veto names in the second category. For  
> instance, whatever name you pick in the restricted list selected in  
> step 1 fits me, so I would consider my VOTE as a simple preference  
> (or I can also not vote or vote +0 or -0), just to let you guys pick  
> the name you like, as I'm just a mentor.
>
> Does it sound good ?
>
> PS : we are not in a hurry, but as soon as we start the process, it  
> should be closed in 72 hours, otherwise we can discuss forever :) So  
> here, in one week, we _must_ be done !

It's my understanding that I have started step 1 last week.  Here are  
the names we have so far:

ki
jsec

I will start the the vote for these names tonight.


Regards,
Alan

Re: New project name

[Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@apache.org>]

Les Hazlewood wrote:
> When you formulate the initial VOTE post, can you clarify that if anyone
> votes -1, that they should provide an alternate name that does NOT have a
> conflict in the USTO patent/trademark search?
>   
I would do that in two steps :
- first, select a name which does not conflict with anything. We have a 
few of them already proposed (ki being one of them). We will very 
quickly find a small subset of acceptable names, whatever they are.
- then, launch a VOTE for those names, and do the math.

Those who are members of the IPMC, ie who have a binding vote, should 
not be able to veto names in the second category. For instance, whatever 
name you pick in the restricted list selected in step 1 fits me, so I 
would consider my VOTE as a simple preference (or I can also not vote or 
vote +0 or -0), just to let you guys pick the name you like, as I'm just 
a mentor.

Does it sound good ?

PS : we are not in a hurry, but as soon as we start the process, it 
should be closed in 72 hours, otherwise we can discuss forever :) So 
here, in one week, we _must_ be done !

PS : I really appreciate the way the project has evolved those last 
three months. Seems like it gains maturity.

-- 
--
cordialement, regards,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
directory.apache.org

Re: New project name

[Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>]

When you formulate the initial VOTE post, can you clarify that if anyone
votes -1, that they should provide an alternate name that does NOT have a
conflict in the USTO patent/trademark search?

I would like to avoid what happened before - where it turns into a
brainstorming thread.  If an alternate name is given as part of a -1 vote,
that person should do the proper due diligence to guarantee, in as much as
is possible, no conflict.  If they don't do that due diligence or want to
put the time in to doing it (it is time consuming, I found out), then they
shouldn't have the right to nominate it, given all the time that we've had
for the last few months...

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>wrote:

>
> On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:52 AM, Peter Ledbrook wrote:
>
>  There's been ample time for people to chime in with their name proposals
>>> but
>>> none have been proposed other than Ki.
>>>
>>
>> Did we consider just plain "jsec"? Anyway, I'm fine with Ki too.
>>
>
> We can add that to the vote too.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>

Re: New project name

["Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>]

On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:52 AM, Peter Ledbrook wrote:

>> There's been ample time for people to chime in with their name  
>> proposals but
>> none have been proposed other than Ki.
>
> Did we consider just plain "jsec"? Anyway, I'm fine with Ki too.

We can add that to the vote too.


Regards,
Alan

Re: New project name

[Peter Ledbrook <pe...@cacoethes.co.uk>]

> There's been ample time for people to chime in with their name proposals but
> none have been proposed other than Ki.

Did we consider just plain "jsec"? Anyway, I'm fine with Ki too.

Peter

Re: New project name

[Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>]

Thanks, missed that. I do like Ki, so my non-binding +1 for it.

Kalle


On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>wrote:

> A vote was taken a while back and it was decided that the project would be
> renamed.
>
> There's been ample time for people to chime in with their name proposals
> but none have been proposed other than Ki.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>
>  There were lots of different names proposed in the other thread earlier.
>> But
>> from the email archives, it thought it was inconclusive whether a new name
>> was needed in the first place. Not saying a new name isn't needed, but
>> just
>> asking if there was a decision to rename the project. Though leaving
>> marketing people aside, there's nothing wrong with a descriptive name - at
>> least httpd comes to mind...
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Cool.  Since no one else has proposed an alternative, I start a vote that
>>> proposes accepting Ki as the new project name.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>
>>> There were some other suggestions on the other thread that I can't
>>>
>>>> remember
>>>> now, but none that I liked as much as 'Ki'.  So that gets my vote.
>>>>
>>>> +1 Ki
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We may as well start this thread.  I recall the name "Ki" being
>>>> proposed.
>>>>
>>>>> I like it a lot.  It's short and concise.  Are there any other
>>>>> contenders?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

Re: New project name

["Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>]

A vote was taken a while back and it was decided that the project  
would be renamed.

There's been ample time for people to chime in with their name  
proposals but none have been proposed other than Ki.


Regards,
Alan

On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:

> There were lots of different names proposed in the other thread  
> earlier. But
> from the email archives, it thought it was inconclusive whether a  
> new name
> was needed in the first place. Not saying a new name isn't needed,  
> but just
> asking if there was a decision to rename the project. Though leaving
> marketing people aside, there's nothing wrong with a descriptive  
> name - at
> least httpd comes to mind...
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com 
> >wrote:
>
>> Cool.  Since no one else has proposed an alternative, I start a  
>> vote that
>> proposes accepting Ki as the new project name.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>
>> There were some other suggestions on the other thread that I can't
>>> remember
>>> now, but none that I liked as much as 'Ki'.  So that gets my vote.
>>>
>>> +1 Ki
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We may as well start this thread.  I recall the name "Ki" being  
>>> proposed.
>>>> I like it a lot.  It's short and concise.  Are there any other
>>>> contenders?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Re: New project name

[Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>]

There were lots of different names proposed in the other thread earlier. But
from the email archives, it thought it was inconclusive whether a new name
was needed in the first place. Not saying a new name isn't needed, but just
asking if there was a decision to rename the project. Though leaving
marketing people aside, there's nothing wrong with a descriptive name - at
least httpd comes to mind...

Kalle


On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>wrote:

> Cool.  Since no one else has proposed an alternative, I start a vote that
> proposes accepting Ki as the new project name.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>  There were some other suggestions on the other thread that I can't
>> remember
>> now, but none that I liked as much as 'Ki'.  So that gets my vote.
>>
>> +1 Ki
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  We may as well start this thread.  I recall the name "Ki" being proposed.
>>> I like it a lot.  It's short and concise.  Are there any other
>>> contenders?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: New project name

["Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>]

Yes.


Regards,
Alan

On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:28 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote:

> Alan, that means you'll create a fresh [VOTE] thread?
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Alan D. Cabrera  
> <li...@toolazydogs.com>wrote:
>
>> Cool.  Since no one else has proposed an alternative, I start a  
>> vote that
>> proposes accepting Ki as the new project name.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>
>> There were some other suggestions on the other thread that I can't
>>> remember
>>> now, but none that I liked as much as 'Ki'.  So that gets my vote.
>>>
>>> +1 Ki
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We may as well start this thread.  I recall the name "Ki" being  
>>> proposed.
>>>> I like it a lot.  It's short and concise.  Are there any other
>>>> contenders?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Re: New project name

[Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>]

Alan, that means you'll create a fresh [VOTE] thread?

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>wrote:

> Cool.  Since no one else has proposed an alternative, I start a vote that
> proposes accepting Ki as the new project name.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>  There were some other suggestions on the other thread that I can't
>> remember
>> now, but none that I liked as much as 'Ki'.  So that gets my vote.
>>
>> +1 Ki
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  We may as well start this thread.  I recall the name "Ki" being proposed.
>>> I like it a lot.  It's short and concise.  Are there any other
>>> contenders?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: New project name

["Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>]

Cool.  Since no one else has proposed an alternative, I start a vote  
that proposes accepting Ki as the new project name.


Regards,
Alan

On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:

> There were some other suggestions on the other thread that I can't  
> remember
> now, but none that I liked as much as 'Ki'.  So that gets my vote.
>
> +1 Ki
>
> Les
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com 
> >wrote:
>
>> We may as well start this thread.  I recall the name "Ki" being  
>> proposed.
>> I like it a lot.  It's short and concise.  Are there any other  
>> contenders?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>>

Re: New project name

[Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>]

There were some other suggestions on the other thread that I can't remember
now, but none that I liked as much as 'Ki'.  So that gets my vote.

+1 Ki

Les

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>wrote:

> We may as well start this thread.  I recall the name "Ki" being proposed.
>  I like it a lot.  It's short and concise.  Are there any other contenders?
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>