Yippeee!

[Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>]

Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
my comments.

http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no-clothes.html

regards,

Martin

Re: Yippeee!

[Zubin Wadia <zw...@gmail.com>]

We should have countered on TSS, that's where the FUD damage was done
mostly. Good counter regardless.

Cheers,

Zubin.

On 9/15/07, Manfred Geiler <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well done, Martin.
> Thanks for taking the time to counter at full length.
> --Manfred
>
> On 9/15/07, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
> > my comments.
> >
> > http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no-clothes.html
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
>

Re: Yippeee!

[Manfred Geiler <ma...@gmail.com>]

Well done, Martin.
Thanks for taking the time to counter at full length.
--Manfred

On 9/15/07, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
> my comments.
>
> http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no-clothes.html
>
> regards,
>
> Martin

Re: Yippeee!

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

from struts-days, I really remember, don't feed the trolls :-)

On 9/20/07, Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just in case other realize that most of his assertions are wrong. Hope
> you had your comments saved...
>
> Bruno
>
> On 20/09/2007, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > He just removed my comments? What a nice way of dealing with feedback.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 9/17/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > mmarinschek, you obviously have a lot of things to say, but please I
> > > would be thankful if you blog about it somewhere else and refer to it
> > > here. This way we do not lower the S/N ratio and do not continue a
> > > thread that is already quite old. 18 posts are quite too much to be
> > > addressed as simple comments to a thread.
> > > </snip>
> > >
> > > -M
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/17/07, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Martin,   looks like I just missed getting to read your posts as they
> > > > have been removed by the blog admin :-(    If you repost somewhere
> > > > else then please update this thread because I would like to see your
> > > > feedback.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:04 AM, Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
> > > > > my comments.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no-
> > > > > clothes.html
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > >
> > > further stuff:
> > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
>


-- 
Matthias Wessendorf

further stuff:
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org

Re: Yippeee!

[Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com>]

Just in case other realize that most of his assertions are wrong. Hope
you had your comments saved...

Bruno

On 20/09/2007, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He just removed my comments? What a nice way of dealing with feedback.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 9/17/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > mmarinschek, you obviously have a lot of things to say, but please I
> > would be thankful if you blog about it somewhere else and refer to it
> > here. This way we do not lower the S/N ratio and do not continue a
> > thread that is already quite old. 18 posts are quite too much to be
> > addressed as simple comments to a thread.
> > </snip>
> >
> > -M
> >
> >
> > On 9/17/07, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Martin,   looks like I just missed getting to read your posts as they
> > > have been removed by the blog admin :-(    If you repost somewhere
> > > else then please update this thread because I would like to see your
> > > feedback.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:04 AM, Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > >
> > > > Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
> > > > my comments.
> > > >
> > > > http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no-
> > > > clothes.html
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>

Re: Yippeee!

[Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com>]

And why do blogs have "comments" if what you are supposed to do is to
create a new page linking to the other blog. That breaks the purpose
of blogs, right? We have plain pages for that, and not sophisticated
blog/comment systems...
And only removing the points of view against your blogs seems not very
correct to me. He could just have disabled any more comments but let
the existing ones there.

Cheers,

Bruno

On 21/09/2007, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I mentioned in my first comment that I was going to split up my
> posts, to better structure my responses and align them with paragraphs
> in the original blog post. In any case, I didn't save my original
> posts, and I find it highly disturbing to destroy two hours of work,
> calling it Spam, when I was commenting in earnest on his original
> post. I don't have a problem with him deleting my posts when he sends
> them to me at the same time for me to be able to write my blog entry.
> Very strange.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 9/20/07, simon <si...@chello.at> wrote:
> > It doesn't seem unreasonable to me. That was quite a lot of comments you
> > added, particularly if people then started commenting on your comments.
> >
> > The original blog may not have been 100% correct, but it's not a JSF
> > assassination attempt. He really did implement the same app faster on
> > Spring MVC than on JSF so there are issues that need thinking about.
> >
> > Why not put your info up on the myfaces wiki instead, then post a link
> > to it on the blog article as was suggested? I had a few comments to make
> > as well, and some questions to ask you about your notes...
> >
> > The final page could be a useful resource for many people..
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 17:04 +0200, Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > > He just removed my comments? What a nice way of dealing with feedback.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On 9/17/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > > mmarinschek, you obviously have a lot of things to say, but please I
> > > > would be thankful if you blog about it somewhere else and refer to it
> > > > here. This way we do not lower the S/N ratio and do not continue a
> > > > thread that is already quite old. 18 posts are quite too much to be
> > > > addressed as simple comments to a thread.
> > > > </snip>
> > > >
> > > > -M
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/17/07, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Martin,   looks like I just missed getting to read your posts as they
> > > > > have been removed by the blog admin :-(    If you repost somewhere
> > > > > else then please update this thread because I would like to see your
> > > > > feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:04 AM, Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
> > > > > > my comments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no-
> > > > > > clothes.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Martin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > >
> > > > further stuff:
> > > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>

Re: Yippeee!

[Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>]

Well, I mentioned in my first comment that I was going to split up my
posts, to better structure my responses and align them with paragraphs
in the original blog post. In any case, I didn't save my original
posts, and I find it highly disturbing to destroy two hours of work,
calling it Spam, when I was commenting in earnest on his original
post. I don't have a problem with him deleting my posts when he sends
them to me at the same time for me to be able to write my blog entry.
Very strange.

regards,

Martin

On 9/20/07, simon <si...@chello.at> wrote:
> It doesn't seem unreasonable to me. That was quite a lot of comments you
> added, particularly if people then started commenting on your comments.
>
> The original blog may not have been 100% correct, but it's not a JSF
> assassination attempt. He really did implement the same app faster on
> Spring MVC than on JSF so there are issues that need thinking about.
>
> Why not put your info up on the myfaces wiki instead, then post a link
> to it on the blog article as was suggested? I had a few comments to make
> as well, and some questions to ask you about your notes...
>
> The final page could be a useful resource for many people..
>
> Regards,
>
> Simon
>
> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 17:04 +0200, Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > He just removed my comments? What a nice way of dealing with feedback.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 9/17/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > mmarinschek, you obviously have a lot of things to say, but please I
> > > would be thankful if you blog about it somewhere else and refer to it
> > > here. This way we do not lower the S/N ratio and do not continue a
> > > thread that is already quite old. 18 posts are quite too much to be
> > > addressed as simple comments to a thread.
> > > </snip>
> > >
> > > -M
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/17/07, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Martin,   looks like I just missed getting to read your posts as they
> > > > have been removed by the blog admin :-(    If you repost somewhere
> > > > else then please update this thread because I would like to see your
> > > > feedback.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:04 AM, Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
> > > > > my comments.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no-
> > > > > clothes.html
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > >
> > > further stuff:
> > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


-- 

http://www.irian.at

Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German

Professional Support for Apache MyFaces

Re: Yippeee!

[simon <si...@chello.at>]

It doesn't seem unreasonable to me. That was quite a lot of comments you
added, particularly if people then started commenting on your comments.

The original blog may not have been 100% correct, but it's not a JSF
assassination attempt. He really did implement the same app faster on
Spring MVC than on JSF so there are issues that need thinking about.

Why not put your info up on the myfaces wiki instead, then post a link
to it on the blog article as was suggested? I had a few comments to make
as well, and some questions to ask you about your notes...

The final page could be a useful resource for many people..

Regards,

Simon

On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 17:04 +0200, Martin Marinschek wrote:
> He just removed my comments? What a nice way of dealing with feedback.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Martin
> 
> On 9/17/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > mmarinschek, you obviously have a lot of things to say, but please I
> > would be thankful if you blog about it somewhere else and refer to it
> > here. This way we do not lower the S/N ratio and do not continue a
> > thread that is already quite old. 18 posts are quite too much to be
> > addressed as simple comments to a thread.
> > </snip>
> >
> > -M
> >
> >
> > On 9/17/07, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Martin,   looks like I just missed getting to read your posts as they
> > > have been removed by the blog admin :-(    If you repost somewhere
> > > else then please update this thread because I would like to see your
> > > feedback.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:04 AM, Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > >
> > > > Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
> > > > my comments.
> > > >
> > > > http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no-
> > > > clothes.html
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> >
> 
> 

Re: Yippeee!

[Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>]

He just removed my comments? What a nice way of dealing with feedback.

regards,

Martin

On 9/17/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> <snip>
> mmarinschek, you obviously have a lot of things to say, but please I
> would be thankful if you blog about it somewhere else and refer to it
> here. This way we do not lower the S/N ratio and do not continue a
> thread that is already quite old. 18 posts are quite too much to be
> addressed as simple comments to a thread.
> </snip>
>
> -M
>
>
> On 9/17/07, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Martin,   looks like I just missed getting to read your posts as they
> > have been removed by the blog admin :-(    If you repost somewhere
> > else then please update this thread because I would like to see your
> > feedback.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:04 AM, Martin Marinschek wrote:
> >
> > > Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
> > > my comments.
> > >
> > > http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no-
> > > clothes.html
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Martin
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>


-- 

http://www.irian.at

Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German

Professional Support for Apache MyFaces

Re: Yippeee!

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

<snip>
mmarinschek, you obviously have a lot of things to say, but please I
would be thankful if you blog about it somewhere else and refer to it
here. This way we do not lower the S/N ratio and do not continue a
thread that is already quite old. 18 posts are quite too much to be
addressed as simple comments to a thread.
</snip>

-M


On 9/17/07, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Martin,   looks like I just missed getting to read your posts as they
> have been removed by the blog admin :-(    If you repost somewhere
> else then please update this thread because I would like to see your
> feedback.
>
> Best wishes,
> Paul
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:04 AM, Martin Marinschek wrote:
>
> > Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
> > my comments.
> >
> > http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no-
> > clothes.html
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
>
>


-- 
Matthias Wessendorf

further stuff:
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org

Re: Yippeee!

[Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com>]

Martin,   looks like I just missed getting to read your posts as they  
have been removed by the blog admin :-(    If you repost somewhere  
else then please update this thread because I would like to see your  
feedback.

Best wishes,
Paul


On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:04 AM, Martin Marinschek wrote:

> Isn't it nice to read something like this? This blog made my day, see
> my comments.
>
> http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2006/10/myfaces-emperor-has-no- 
> clothes.html
>
> regards,
>
> Martin