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[PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
due to the fact that we have a growing number of great extensions i would
like to start a new discussion.
some days ago we discussed [1] the following suggestion:
let's setup just one sub-project for all new extensions.
name of the subproject:
e.g.: myfaces-extensions
which contains something like (in chronological order):
- myfaces-extensions-aspectel
- myfaces-extensions-seven
- myfaces-extensions-scripting
regards,
gerhard
[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@myfaces.apache.org/msg32424.html
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Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>.
Ok I forgot +1 from me as well to the proposal
Werner
Manfred Geiler schrieb:
> sounds good
>
> +1 as for me
>
> --Manfred
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
besides the previous discussions:
in my opinion there is a clear separation between 'commons' and
'extensions':
commons:
provides small, extremely stable, "loose" and re-usable jsf functionalities
(the complexity of the coherent parts is below a project)
-> you pick the parts you need and use them.
extensions:
small innovative projects (which are beyond the current "std. mechanisms" of
jsf)
-> you use the approach of a subproject as a whole.
regards,
gerhard
2008/5/26 Volker Weber <v....@inexso.de>:
> Hi all,
>
> 2008/5/26 Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>:
> > Bernd Bohmann schrieb:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> what is the difference between myfaces-extensions and myfaces-commons?
> >>
> > Well the original idea was to add it to myfaces-commons then the
> discussion
> > in this group went along the way of commons should not be touched and
> always
> > be stable
>
> I can't remember this discussion, maybe i have overseen this, can you
> provide a link or the subject line .
> But commons not touched? There is currently nearly nothing in.
> Why should we make a nearly empty api stable?
>
> And not all subprojects of commons must be the same stable.
>
> Released converters from commons-converters should stay stable, at
> least backward compatible,
> but we should always be able to add addtitional converters.
>
> Having a new commons subproject did not influence the stable of others.
>
>
> Regards,
> Volker
>
> > We now have a set of non component extensions which seek a new home
> > so the idea of doing an extensions subproject was born.
> >
> > Thats as far as I have got it.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Volker Weber <v....@inexso.de>.
Hi all,
2008/5/26 Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>:
> Bernd Bohmann schrieb:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> what is the difference between myfaces-extensions and myfaces-commons?
>>
> Well the original idea was to add it to myfaces-commons then the discussion
> in this group went along the way of commons should not be touched and always
> be stable
I can't remember this discussion, maybe i have overseen this, can you
provide a link or the subject line .
But commons not touched? There is currently nearly nothing in.
Why should we make a nearly empty api stable?
And not all subprojects of commons must be the same stable.
Released converters from commons-converters should stay stable, at
least backward compatible,
but we should always be able to add addtitional converters.
Having a new commons subproject did not influence the stable of others.
Regards,
Volker
> We now have a set of non component extensions which seek a new home
> so the idea of doing an extensions subproject was born.
>
> Thats as far as I have got it.
>
> Werner
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>.
Bernd Bohmann schrieb:
> Hello,
>
> what is the difference between myfaces-extensions and myfaces-commons?
>
Well the original idea was to add it to myfaces-commons then the
discussion in this group went along the way of commons should not be
touched and always be stable
We now have a set of non component extensions which seek a new home
so the idea of doing an extensions subproject was born.
Thats as far as I have got it.
Werner
Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com>.
Hello,
what is the difference between myfaces-extensions and myfaces-commons?
Regards
Bernd
Manfred Geiler schrieb:
> sounds good
>
> +1 as for me
>
> --Manfred
>
>
> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> due to the fact that we have a growing number of great extensions i would
>> like to start a new discussion.
>>
>> some days ago we discussed [1] the following suggestion:
>>
>> let's setup just one sub-project for all new extensions.
>>
>> name of the subproject:
>> e.g.: myfaces-extensions
>>
>> which contains something like (in chronological order):
>> - myfaces-extensions-aspectel
>> - myfaces-extensions-seven
>> - myfaces-extensions-scripting
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@myfaces.apache.org/msg32424.html
>>
>> --
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Manfred Geiler <ma...@gmail.com>.
sounds good
+1 as for me
--Manfred
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Gerhard Petracek
<ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> due to the fact that we have a growing number of great extensions i would
> like to start a new discussion.
>
> some days ago we discussed [1] the following suggestion:
>
> let's setup just one sub-project for all new extensions.
>
> name of the subproject:
> e.g.: myfaces-extensions
>
> which contains something like (in chronological order):
> - myfaces-extensions-aspectel
> - myfaces-extensions-seven
> - myfaces-extensions-scripting
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@myfaces.apache.org/msg32424.html
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com>.
Yeah, after your previous post [not of this chain but from an another]
regarding the structure =>
> [new sub-project]
> |_ alchemy
> |_ ...
I thought it made sense to create a [new sub-project] and have Flex +
JSF integration as a component library beneath it. However, since it
made sense to name the component library specifically, I thought it
would be better to name it FlexFaces [this way users will understand
what it's about before they delve into it]. Then we could use more of
a generic name Alchemy to specify the intention of the component
libraries as its [new sub-project] name. Since Alchemy in definition
is basically altering the form of an element, I thought the name
would be fitting for the contribution as well as any other component
libraries that integrates other technologies as well.
Sorry about the miscommunication and let's direct further conversation
regarding Alchemy proposal at the previous post
http://www.nabble.com/-PROPOSAL--MyFaces-Alchemy-as-a-subproject-under-MyFaces-p17464170.html
Thanks!!!
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Gerhard Petracek
<ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> it was my suggestion -> +0.9
> reason: maybe a restructuring of component libs as a whole is essential?
> at the moment: -0.5 (because there are some issues i haven't thought about
> so far)
> i think we should discuss it within an alchemy proposal.
>
> i think the main misunderstanding was:
> we thought alchemy should be the name for your lib:
> [new sub-project]
> |_ alchemy
> |_ ...
>
> maybe some other sub-projects fit in myfaces-extensions.
> e.g. werner mentioned [1] orchestra.
>
> however, for me flexfaces and other similar component libs don't fit in
> myfaces-extensions.
> ok - i didn't wrote [2] it explicitly... -> no pure component libs.
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> [1]
> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-myfaces-groovy-support-first-pre-alpha-showcase-p17345888.html
> [2] http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A--PROPOSAL--myfaces-extensions-p17474665.html
>
>
>
> 2008/5/27 Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Quick two cents regarding Alchemy.
>>
>> As discussed in previous posts and written within the following Wiki
>> page => http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesAlchemyProposal, I was
>> thinking perhaps we have a new subproject named MyFaces Alchemy.
>> Under this project, there will be component libraries such as
>> FlexFaces [credit to Zubin Wadia and referral from Hazem Saleh for the
>> name] which bridges Web 2.0 and other dynamic control solutions to
>> JSF.
>>
>> So for example as discussed in a previous post:
>>
>> Alchemy [sub-project]
>> FlexFaces [bridge of Flex and JSF]
>> ...
>>
>> Thanks!!!
>>
>> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Gerhard Petracek schrieb:
>> >>
>> >> ok - i'm fine with that.
>> >> what i mean: there are also other suggestions out there (concerning
>> >> alchemy) and it's a different kind of project - so let's discuss
>> >> alchemy
>> >> later on...
>> >>
>> >> regards,
>> >> gerhard
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Well this is indeed a good question I am working on a Tomahawk extension
>> > project for dojo myself which will show the first sources in a few weeks
>> > so
>> > this cuts into the same wood as Alchemy, a set of dynamic controls which
>> > will need a home once alpha stage is reached.
>> > The original idea was to add it sort of as tomahawk extensions
>> > but maybe we can find a common place for all this.
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyway I dont think we should start to discuss that yet.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ji Hoon Kim
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
it was my suggestion -> +0.9
reason: maybe a restructuring of component libs as a whole is essential?
at the moment: -0.5 (because there are some issues i haven't thought about
so far)
i think we should discuss it within an alchemy proposal.
i think the main misunderstanding was:
we thought alchemy should be the name for your lib:
[new sub-project]
|_ alchemy
|_ ...
maybe some other sub-projects fit in myfaces-extensions.
e.g. werner mentioned [1] orchestra.
however, for me flexfaces and other similar component libs don't fit in
myfaces-extensions.
ok - i didn't wrote [2] it explicitly... -> no pure component libs.
regards,
gerhard
[1]
http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-myfaces-groovy-support-first-pre-alpha-showcase-p17345888.html
[2] http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A--PROPOSAL--myfaces-extensions-p17474665.html
2008/5/27 Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com>:
> Quick two cents regarding Alchemy.
>
> As discussed in previous posts and written within the following Wiki
> page => http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesAlchemyProposal, I was
> thinking perhaps we have a new subproject named MyFaces Alchemy.
> Under this project, there will be component libraries such as
> FlexFaces [credit to Zubin Wadia and referral from Hazem Saleh for the
> name] which bridges Web 2.0 and other dynamic control solutions to
> JSF.
>
> So for example as discussed in a previous post:
>
> Alchemy [sub-project]
> FlexFaces [bridge of Flex and JSF]
> ...
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Gerhard Petracek schrieb:
> >>
> >> ok - i'm fine with that.
> >> what i mean: there are also other suggestions out there (concerning
> >> alchemy) and it's a different kind of project - so let's discuss alchemy
> >> later on...
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> gerhard
> >>
> >>
> > Well this is indeed a good question I am working on a Tomahawk extension
> > project for dojo myself which will show the first sources in a few weeks
> so
> > this cuts into the same wood as Alchemy, a set of dynamic controls which
> > will need a home once alpha stage is reached.
> > The original idea was to add it sort of as tomahawk extensions
> > but maybe we can find a common place for all this.
> >
> >
> > Anyway I dont think we should start to discuss that yet.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Ji Hoon Kim
>
--
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Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Jihoon Kim <ji...@gmail.com>.
Quick two cents regarding Alchemy.
As discussed in previous posts and written within the following Wiki
page => http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesAlchemyProposal, I was
thinking perhaps we have a new subproject named MyFaces Alchemy.
Under this project, there will be component libraries such as
FlexFaces [credit to Zubin Wadia and referral from Hazem Saleh for the
name] which bridges Web 2.0 and other dynamic control solutions to
JSF.
So for example as discussed in a previous post:
Alchemy [sub-project]
FlexFaces [bridge of Flex and JSF]
...
Thanks!!!
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gerhard Petracek schrieb:
>>
>> ok - i'm fine with that.
>> what i mean: there are also other suggestions out there (concerning
>> alchemy) and it's a different kind of project - so let's discuss alchemy
>> later on...
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>>
> Well this is indeed a good question I am working on a Tomahawk extension
> project for dojo myself which will show the first sources in a few weeks so
> this cuts into the same wood as Alchemy, a set of dynamic controls which
> will need a home once alpha stage is reached.
> The original idea was to add it sort of as tomahawk extensions
> but maybe we can find a common place for all this.
>
>
> Anyway I dont think we should start to discuss that yet.
>
>
--
Sincerely,
Ji Hoon Kim
Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>.
Gerhard Petracek schrieb:
> ok - i'm fine with that.
> what i mean: there are also other suggestions out there (concerning
> alchemy) and it's a different kind of project - so let's discuss alchemy
> later on...
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
>
Well this is indeed a good question I am working on a Tomahawk extension
project for dojo myself which will show the first sources in a few weeks
so this cuts into the same wood as Alchemy, a set of dynamic controls
which will need a home once alpha stage is reached.
The original idea was to add it sort of as tomahawk extensions
but maybe we can find a common place for all this.
Anyway I dont think we should start to discuss that yet.
Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
ok - i'm fine with that.
what i mean: there are also other suggestions out there (concerning alchemy)
and it's a different kind of project - so let's discuss alchemy later on...
regards,
gerhard
2008/5/26 Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com>:
> The final destination will be disscussed during incubation.
>
> Sent from my iPod.
>
> Am 26.05.2008 um 18:33 schrieb "Gerhard Petracek" <
> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>
> @alchemy:
> let's discuss it after the incubation.
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
>
>
> 2008/5/26 Hazem Saleh < <ha...@apache.org>:
>
>> +1 for this idea.
>>
>> I think (Alchemy) can be added later to :-).
>>
>> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Gerhard Petracek <<g...@gmail.com>
>> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> due to the fact that we have a growing number of great extensions i would
>>> like to start a new discussion.
>>>
>>> some days ago we discussed [1] the following suggestion:
>>>
>>> let's setup just one sub-project for all new extensions.
>>>
>>> name of the subproject:
>>> e.g.: myfaces-extensions
>>>
>>> which contains something like (in chronological order):
>>> - myfaces-extensions-aspectel
>>> - myfaces-extensions-seven
>>> - myfaces-extensions-scripting
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>> [1] <http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@myfaces.apache.org/msg32424.html>
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@myfaces.apache.org/msg32424.html
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> <http://www.irian.at>http://www.irian.at
>>>
>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> Courses in English and German
>>>
>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Hazem Ahmed Saleh Ahmed
>> <http://www.jroller.com/page/HazemBlog>
>> http://www.jroller.com/page/HazemBlog
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
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> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com>.
The final destination will be disscussed during incubation.
Sent from my iPod.
Am 26.05.2008 um 18:33 schrieb "Gerhard Petracek" <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com
>:
> @alchemy:
> let's discuss it after the incubation.
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
>
>
> 2008/5/26 Hazem Saleh <ha...@apache.org>:
> +1 for this idea.
>
> I think (Alchemy) can be added later to :-).
>
> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> due to the fact that we have a growing number of great extensions i
> would like to start a new discussion.
>
> some days ago we discussed [1] the following suggestion:
>
> let's setup just one sub-project for all new extensions.
>
> name of the subproject:
> e.g.: myfaces-extensions
>
> which contains something like (in chronological order):
> - myfaces-extensions-aspectel
> - myfaces-extensions-seven
> - myfaces-extensions-scripting
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@myfaces.apache.org/msg32424.html
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
> --
> Hazem Ahmed Saleh Ahmed
> http://www.jroller.com/page/HazemBlog
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
@alchemy:
let's discuss it after the incubation.
regards,
gerhard
2008/5/26 Hazem Saleh <ha...@apache.org>:
> +1 for this idea.
>
> I think (Alchemy) can be added later to :-).
>
> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Gerhard Petracek <
> gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> due to the fact that we have a growing number of great extensions i would
>> like to start a new discussion.
>>
>> some days ago we discussed [1] the following suggestion:
>>
>> let's setup just one sub-project for all new extensions.
>>
>> name of the subproject:
>> e.g.: myfaces-extensions
>>
>> which contains something like (in chronological order):
>> - myfaces-extensions-aspectel
>> - myfaces-extensions-seven
>> - myfaces-extensions-scripting
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@myfaces.apache.org/msg32424.html
>>
>> --
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
>>
>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
>
> --
> Hazem Ahmed Saleh Ahmed
> http://www.jroller.com/page/HazemBlog
--
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Re: [PROPOSAL] myfaces-extensions
Posted by Hazem Saleh <ha...@apache.org>.
+1 for this idea.
I think (Alchemy) can be added later to :-).
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Gerhard Petracek <
gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> due to the fact that we have a growing number of great extensions i would
> like to start a new discussion.
>
> some days ago we discussed [1] the following suggestion:
>
> let's setup just one sub-project for all new extensions.
>
> name of the subproject:
> e.g.: myfaces-extensions
>
> which contains something like (in chronological order):
> - myfaces-extensions-aspectel
> - myfaces-extensions-seven
> - myfaces-extensions-scripting
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@myfaces.apache.org/msg32424.html
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
--
Hazem Ahmed Saleh Ahmed
http://www.jroller.com/page/HazemBlog