Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>]

Folks,

We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion about SG
inclusion to 2.7.

For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things before agreement
on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build agreements' here. BTW
such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.

Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal place where
discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be building on
the dev list.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:

> Hello, guys.
>
> I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
>
> В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single chance for
> Service
> > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping hope alive.
> > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving consensus
> > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial public
> > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we will see it
> > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions with other
> > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of efforts will be
> put
> > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that pre-release
> > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals in the
> middle
> > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is simply a
> > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> >
> > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush during
> > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad features,
> which
> > makes damage to the project.
> >
> > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI 2.8 right
> now?
> > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This simple action
> > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the product, and
> > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat stabilization effrots
> of
> > other contributors.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <da...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dmitriy,
> > >
> > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in phase 1,
> > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > >
> > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > >
> > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework component
> > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the base for
> > > new features.
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > - versioning
> > > >
> > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month to test
> properly
> > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and restart tests
> on
> > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this type of
> testing
> > > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable to expect
> this
> > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > >
> > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > >
> > > > D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a commenter, like
> me,
> > >
> > > for
> > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > >
> > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In general, I'm
> > >
> > > fully for
> > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool
> features.
> > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with SG
> > > > >
> > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Denis
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > >
> > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in discussion of any
> > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid redesign a
> big
> > > > > >
> > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both: privately with
> > >
> > > Ignite
> > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton Vinogradov,
> Denis
> > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave Vyacheslav a
> > > > >
> > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two.
> > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the beginning of
> next
> > > > >
> > > > > week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help *by doing
> things,
> > >
> > > not
> > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is here [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options regarding of
> > >
> > > release
> > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool
> features.
> > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with SG
> > > > >
> > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things can happen.
> > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version *when it
> will
> > >
> > > be
> > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you mention was not
> > >
> > > named
> > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying to take
> over the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value Do-ocracy and
> power
> > >
> > > of
> > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no leaders in open
> > >
> > > source,
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For me, their
> > > > >
> > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an additional
> > >
> > > release
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > >
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that Service Grid
> > >
> > > changes
> > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community still did
> not
> > > > >
> > > > > approve
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not seen any
> design
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the Service Grid
> > >
> > > changes
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems out of
> question
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should let him
> drive the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the release is
> going
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release
> dates-pushing
> > > > >
> > > > > because
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any include/exclude
> something
> > > > >
> > > > > into
> > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion with results
> of the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even if we need
> to
> > > > >
> > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so fundamentally
> > >
> > > important
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not, then we
> should
> > > > >
> > > > > include
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force them into
> 2.7.
> > >
> > > I
> > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all agreed on.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did not make
> any
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to
> > >
> > > *community*
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to discuss after
> their
> > > > >
> > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up
> to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release of all other
> > >
> > > features
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for services
> because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have
> outside
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not some new feature,
> which
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and important
> feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay
> to
> > > > >
> > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not
> ready/ready to
> > > > >
> > > > > merge
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir
> Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to perform the
> release
> > >
> > > in
> > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a
> bit for
> > > > >
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and again, and
> release
> > > > >
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new features to
> come,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if
> > >
> > > feature is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead of
> shifting
> > > > >
> > > > > release.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made
> is
> > >
> > > to let
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> > >
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy,
> and
> > >
> > > not
> > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details,
> can't
> > > > >
> > > > > wait
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea
> to
> > >
> > > use
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any
> > >
> > > pressure
> > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be
> > >
> > > released
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy,
> power of
> > > > >
> > > > > those
> > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does review,
> let's
> > >
> > > give
> > > > > > > right of
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of
> > >
> > > people
> > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav
> > >
> > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid
> > >
> > > before [1]
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that
> implementation is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk
> that
> > >
> > > code
> > > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton
> Vinogradov
> > >
> > > and
> > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of
> scope or
> > >
> > > not
> > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM
> Dmitriy
> > > > >
> > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test
> set
> > >
> > > did
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey
> > > > >
> > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL
> > >
> > > manager
> > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good
> > > > >
> > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45,
> Dmitriy
> > > > >
> > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to
> be
> > > > > >
> > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of
> > >
> > > release,
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community
> > >
> > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why
> such
> > >
> > > a big
> > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it
> is
> > > > >
> > > > > another
> > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33,
> > >
> > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies
> > > > > >
> > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM
> > >
> > > Denis
> > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair, could
> you
> > > > >
> > > > > please
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > >
> > > discussed
> > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when
> > > > >
> > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature they've been
> working
> > >
> > > on.
> > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Otherwise, it will be
> > > > >
> > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release decisions need
> to be
> > >
> > > done
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about Service Grid,
> > >
> > > there
> > > > > was
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable whether it gets
> > >
> > > added to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*, could you please
> > >
> > > shed
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > light
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12
> AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's wait for feedback
> > >
> > > from SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not ready, ok. But I
> thought
> > >
> > > it is
> > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I missed
> some
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > discussion (it
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the statement
> "our
> > > > > >
> > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suspect some members
> are
> > > > >
> > > > > making
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > sort
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not to discuss it on the
> > >
> > > list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's build consensus here
> > >
> > > first,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair, could
> you
> > > > >
> > > > > please
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > >
> > > discussed
> > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> 18:55,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an outcome of
> current
> > > > >
> > > > > state
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never committed to have
> it to
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > Our goal
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> 6:48
> > >
> > > PM
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please
> provide a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > reference to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> > >
> > > 18:46,
> > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our current
> agreement is
> > >
> > > that
> > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > huge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature, which hasn't
> > >
> > > entered
> > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > stage
> > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > far,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review/fix/test it
> > >
> > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018
> at
> > >
> > > 6:32
> > > > > PM
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, and I
> prefer
> > >
> > > four
> > > > > > > weeks for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I understand it
> > > > >
> > > > > correctly:
> > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it very
> important.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> г. в
> > > > >
> > > > > 18:28,
> > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for
> clear
> > > > >
> > > > > release
> > > > > > > status.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm +1 for your
> > >
> > > proposal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент.
> 2018 г.,
> > > > >
> > > > > 18:25
> > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Huge +1 to do a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey
> Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > >
>

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>]

Hi Nikolay,

Thank you for announcing that we entered this new stage of release. I
believe it is a paramount thing to keep community members posted.

BTW, this link worked for me
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20'Ignite'%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20('2.7')%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20


I noticed that we have 5 MVCC tickets to 2.7 still not assigned. I hope
contributors will assign these tickets.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 18:17, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:

> Hello, Igniters.
>
> I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
>
> It means:
>
> 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
> 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE TO OCTOBER
> 10*.
> So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version [1].
> So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1, *the
> deadline is near :)*.
>
> [1]
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
>
>
>
> В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > Agree with Andrey.
> >
> > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination detection, and
> I'm
> > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet
> important
> > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > >
> > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > >
> > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion about SG
> > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > >
> > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things before
> agreement
> > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build agreements'
> here. BTW
> > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > >
> > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal
> place where
> > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be
> building on
> > > > the dev list.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > >
> > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > >
> > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single chance
> for
> > > > >
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping hope
> > > >
> > > > alive.
> > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving
> consensus
> > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial
> public
> > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we will
> see it
> > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions with
> other
> > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of efforts
> will be
> > > > >
> > > > > put
> > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that
> > > >
> > > > pre-release
> > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals in
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > middle
> > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is
> simply a
> > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush
> during
> > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad
> features,
> > > > >
> > > > > which
> > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI 2.8
> right
> > > > >
> > > > > now?
> > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This simple
> > > >
> > > > action
> > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the
> product, and
> > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat stabilization
> effrots
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > >
> > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in
> phase 1,
> > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework
> component
> > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the
> base for
> > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > >
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month to
> test
> > > > >
> > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and
> restart
> > > >
> > > > tests
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this
> type of
> > > > >
> > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable to
> expect
> > > > >
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > >
> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a
> commenter,
> > > >
> > > > like
> > > > > me,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In
> general, I'm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new
> cool
> > > > >
> > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the
> year with
> > > >
> > > > SG
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in
> discussion of
> > > >
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid
> redesign
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both:
> privately
> > > >
> > > > with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton
> Vinogradov,
> > > > >
> > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave
> Vyacheslav
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two.
> > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the
> beginning
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > > > next
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help *by
> doing
> > > > >
> > > > > things,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is
> here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options
> regarding
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new
> cool
> > > > >
> > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the
> year with
> > > >
> > > > SG
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things can
> > > >
> > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version
> *when it
> > > > >
> > > > > will
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you
> mention was
> > > >
> > > > not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying to
> take
> > > > >
> > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value
> Do-ocracy and
> > > > >
> > > > > power
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no leaders
> in open
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For
> me, their
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an
> > > >
> > > > additional
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that
> Service
> > > >
> > > > Grid
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community
> still did
> > > > >
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not seen
> any
> > > > >
> > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the
> Service Grid
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems out
> of
> > > > >
> > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should let
> him
> > > > >
> > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the
> release is
> > > > >
> > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release
> > > > >
> > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
> include/exclude
> > > > >
> > > > > something
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion with
> results
> > > > >
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even if
> we
> > > >
> > > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so
> fundamentally
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not,
> then we
> > > > >
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force
> them into
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all agreed
> on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov
> <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did
> not
> > > >
> > > > make
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of
> scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir
> Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up
> to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to discuss
> after
> > > > >
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir
> Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that
> it is up
> > > > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release of
> all
> > > >
> > > > other
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for
> services
> > > > >
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't
> have
> > > > >
> > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not some new
> feature,
> > > > >
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and
> important
> > > > >
> > > > > feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and
> > > >
> > > > Nikolay
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not
> > > > >
> > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46,
> Vladimir
> > > > >
> > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to perform
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > release
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we
> wait a
> > > > >
> > > > > bit for
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and
> again, and
> > > > >
> > > > > release
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new
> features to
> > > > >
> > > > > come,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement
> that if
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > feature is
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead of
> > > > >
> > > > > shifting
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions
> are made
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > to let
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM
> Dmitriy
> > > > >
> > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for
> enemy,
> > > > >
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are
> hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket
> details,
> > > > >
> > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not
> best
> > > >
> > > > idea
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are
> there any
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of
> features to be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > released
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle
> do-orcracy,
> > > > >
> > > > > power of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does
> review,
> > > > >
> > > > > let's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > > right of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed
> club of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42
> Vyacheslav
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about
> Service Grid
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > before [1]
> > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that
> > > > >
> > > > > implementation is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if
> we talk
> > > > >
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to
> merge
> > > >
> > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton
> > > > >
> > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out
> of
> > > > >
> > > > > scope or
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14
> PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL
> flush
> > > >
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the
> current test
> > > > >
> > > > > set
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45,
> > > >
> > > > Andrey
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug
> in WAL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > manager
> > > > > > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can
> be a
> > > >
> > > > good
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> 19:45,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's
> opinion to
> > > > >
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to
> dates of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release,
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the
> community
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also
> concerned why
> > > > >
> > > > > such
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list.
> But it
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> 19:33,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for
> > > >
> > > > enemies
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for
> "service"
> > > >
> > > > word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018
> at 7:30
> > > >
> > > > PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC
> Chair,
> > > >
> > > > could
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature they've
> been
> > > > >
> > > > > working
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Otherwise, it
> will be
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release
> decisions need
> > > > >
> > > > > to be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about
> Service
> > > >
> > > > Grid,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable whether
> it
> > > >
> > > > gets
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > added to
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*, could
> you
> > > >
> > > > please
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > shed
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > light
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018
> at
> > > >
> > > > 9:12
> > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's wait for
> > > >
> > > > feedback
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > from SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not ready, ok. But
> I
> > > > >
> > > > > thought
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I
> missed
> > > > >
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion (it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the
> > > >
> > > > statement
> > > > > "our
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suspect some
> > > >
> > > > members
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not to discuss
> it on
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's build
> consensus
> > > >
> > > > here
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > first,
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC
> Chair,
> > > >
> > > > could
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> г. в
> > > > >
> > > > > 18:55,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an
> outcome of
> > > > >
> > > > > current
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > state
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never committed
> to have
> > > > >
> > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > Our goal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> 2018 at
> > > > >
> > > > > 6:48
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you
> please
> > > > >
> > > > > provide a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > reference to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент.
> 2018 г.
> > > >
> > > > в
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 18:46,
> > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our current
> > > > >
> > > > > agreement is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > huge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature,
> which
> > > >
> > > > hasn't
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > entered
> > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stage
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> review/fix/test it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep
> 27,
> > > >
> > > > 2018
> > > > > at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6:32
> > > > > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree,
> and I
> > > > >
> > > > > prefer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > four
> > > > > > > > > > > weeks for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I
> understand
> > > >
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > correctly:
> > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it
> very
> > > > >
> > > > > important.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27
> сент. 2018
> > > > >
> > > > > г. в
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 18:28,
> > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org
> >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>]

Hello, Igniters.

Today is a code freeze date but we still have 29 not merged tickets mapped to 2.7 release [1]

It means:

1. We should continue work on 2.7 release and merge remaining tickets
2. Anyone who can help with #1, please, do it.
3. RC1 and further release builds will be created after all tickets will be merged.

I will inform you about the progress on a daily basis.


[1] 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20


В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 14:02 +0300, Nikolay Izhikov пишет:
> Alexey.
> 
> Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :)
> 
> Thanks, for a clarification.
> 
> 
> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет:
> > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL flush).
> > 
> > --AG
> > 
> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > 
> > > Release scope is frozen.
> > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in this thread.
> > > 
> > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760, IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
> > > 
> > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
> > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
> > > 
> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> > > > important problem is discussed.
> > > > 
> > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still included into
> > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
> > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI 2.6
> > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > 
> > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about Apache Way.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be vetoed.
> > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 binding and
> > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and can't be
> > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should be
> > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> > > > > understanding is not a justification.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the bugs
> > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
> > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a couple of
> > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is possible to
> > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > 
> > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for
> > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6
> > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought it
> > > > > 
> > > > > with
> > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact*
> > > > > 
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > bug.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > persistence
> > > > > > > > enabled).
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure
> > > > > 
> > > > > it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems
> > > > > 
> > > > > exist
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability
> > > > > 
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the
> > > > > 
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > research
> > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > impact to
> > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not
> > > > > 
> > > > > strive
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > unless
> > > > > > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > 
> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> > > > > 
> > > > > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > fixed
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> > > > > 
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my
> > > > > 
> > > > > absolute
> > > > > > > best to
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them into
> > > > > 
> > > > > AI
> > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved
> > > > > 
> > > > > furhter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their final
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another
> > > > > 
> > > > > big
> > > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
> > > > > 
> > > > > failures),
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > grouped
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > believe all
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "must-have"
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > announces
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL
> > > > > 
> > > > > TASKS
> > > > > > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
> > > > > 
> > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned
> > > > > 
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker
> > > > > 
> > > > > friendly
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura
> > > > > 
> > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7
> > > > > 
> > > > > branch
> > > > > > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > termination
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also,
> > > > > 
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
> > > > > 
> > > > > objections?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > healthy
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters
> > > > > 
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > valid.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community
> > > > > 
> > > > > actions;
> > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > similar
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I
> > > > > 
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope,
> > > > > 
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > we are
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that
> > > > > 
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > finalized
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at
> > > > > 
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > day in
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing?
> > > > > 
> > > > > What
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that
> > > > > 
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > Monday
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is
> > > > > 
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > rework
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our
> > > > > 
> > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's
> > > > > 
> > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false
> > > > > 
> > > > > hope
> > > > > > > puts us
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Result is
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > want to
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far
> > > > > 
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from
> > > > > 
> > > > > dates
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > track
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features,
> > > > > 
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > reliable and
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the
> > > > > 
> > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the
> > > > > 
> > > > > testing?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're
> > > > > 
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > do'er,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your
> > > > > 
> > > > > opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have
> > > > > 
> > > > > spare
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > giving
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> > > > > 
> > > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30
> > > > > 
> > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > agreed
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally
> > > > > 
> > > > > improve
> > > > > > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in
> > > > > 
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of
> > > > > 
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > *and
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This
> > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > comments
> > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > member
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
> > > > > 
> > > > > dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review -
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > mutually
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> > > > > 
> > > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > release a
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
> > > > > 
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > of SG
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense
> > > > > 
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > +0300,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > totally. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > members
> > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > community,
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > disagree.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > There
> > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree,
> > > > > 
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > works
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 19:39,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the
> > > > > 
> > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the
> > > > > 
> > > > > release
> > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > changed
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > since.
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > confidence
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a
> > > > > 
> > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > manager.
> > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is
> > > > > 
> > > > > doing
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > great
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he
> > > > > 
> > > > > proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 4:31 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > nonsense
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > disagreed with
> > > > > > > > > > 

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>]

Igniters,

I reviewed Spring Session integration [1] and propose to move it to the
next release. The reason is that current implementation has a number of
performance issues, had potential bugs which are yet to be covered with
tests, and possible lacks some features which other vendors like Hazelcast
or GemFire have. I left respective comments in the ticket.

As our goal is to have competitive implementation, it is better to exclude
it out of AI 2.7 scope to have enough time.

Vladimir.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9676

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 11:17 AM Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ignite committers,
>
> I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7 and
> master?
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737
>
>
> ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
>
> > Alexey.
> >
> > Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :)
> >
> > Thanks, for a clarification.
> >
> >
> > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет:
> > > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First
> > one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during
> > WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL
> > flush).
> > >
> > > --AG
> > >
> > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > >
> > > > Release scope is frozen.
> > > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in
> this
> > thread.
> > > >
> > > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760,
> > IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
> > > >
> >
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
> > > >
> > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> > > > > important problem is discussed.
> > > > >
> > > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still
> > included into
> > > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
> > > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is
> AI
> > 2.6
> > > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about
> > Apache Way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be
> > vetoed.
> > > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1
> > binding and
> > > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and
> > can't be
> > > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should
> > be
> > > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> > > > > > understanding is not a justification.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where
> the
> > bugs
> > > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are
> all
> > > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a
> > couple of
> > > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is
> > possible to
> > > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <stkuzma@gmail.com
> >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm
> > sorry for
> > > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against
> > ignite-2.6
> > > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've
> > brought it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <
> nizhikov@apache.org
> > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain
> > impact*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > bug.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive
> > discussion?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid
> (if
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > persistence
> > > > > > > > > enabled).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until
> > we're sure
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not
> the
> > case. I
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such
> > problems
> > > > > >
> > > > > > exist
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and
> > usability
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently
> > in the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from
> 2.7
> > and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > research
> > > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What
> > is the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > impact to
> > > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we
> do
> > not
> > > > > >
> > > > > > strive
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release
> > scope,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > unless
> > > > > > > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > stkuzma@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in
> > FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in
> > archiver -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761.
> > I almost
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > fixed
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do
> my
> > > > > >
> > > > > > absolute
> > > > > > > > best to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to.
> > I think
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the
> > moment. All
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include
> > them into
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AI
> > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be
> > moved
> > > > > >
> > > > > > furhter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on
> > their final
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients),
> > another
> > > > > >
> > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
> > > > > >
> > > > > > failures),
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new
> modules,
> > Java 9+
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these
> > tickets are
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > grouped
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over
> > this week
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy
> > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I
> > do not
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > believe all
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave
> > only
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "must-have"
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir
> > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly
> > handles
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay
> > Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache
> > Ignite 2.7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only
> > previously
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > announces
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or
> *MERGE
> > ALL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TASKS
> > > > > > > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for
> new
> > > > > >
> > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets
> > planned
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this
> ticker
> > > > > >
> > > > > > friendly
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey
> > Gura
> > > > > >
> > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to
> > ignite-2.7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > branch
> > > > > > > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM
> Andrey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical
> > worker
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > termination
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see
> > [1]. Also,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to
> merge.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
> > > > > >
> > > > > > objections?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13,
> Dmitriy
> > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as
> an
> > almost
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > healthy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all
> > Igniters
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to
> > log 'some
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not
> > always
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > valid.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of
> community
> > > > > >
> > > > > > actions;
> > > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely
> hope
> > all
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > similar
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49,
> > Nikolay
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11
> +0300,
> > Vladimir
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's
> > concerns. I
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7
> > scope,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > we are
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience
> > shows, that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take
> > weeks to be
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > finalized
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible
> > that at
> > > > > >
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > day in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about
> > testing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming
> you
> > that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > Monday
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization.
> > This is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch
> with
> > deep
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > rework
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that
> > our
> > > > > >
> > > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to
> > contributor's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this
> > false
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hope
> > > > > > > > puts us
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review,
> > testing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Result is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why
> don't
> > we just
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > want to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is
> > very far
> > > > > >
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus
> > from
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dates
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that
> > potential merge
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32
> > AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and
> > versioning will
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once
> it
> > is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket
> > [1] to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > track
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new
> > features,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to
> be
> > more
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > reliable and
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> > 9:38 PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can
> > agree. SG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience,
> > features like
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs,
> > including
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies,
> > together with
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed,
> I
> > think it
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into
> the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on
> the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > testing?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> > 10:38 AM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I
> > think you're
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > do'er,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust
> > your
> > > > > >
> > > > > > opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if
> I
> > have
> > > > > >
> > > > > > spare
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 20:34,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping
> > in and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > giving
> > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> > option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> > release
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> > plan 2.8
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> > stabilization
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018
> > at 10:30
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we
> > shouldn't put so
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and
> > important as
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point
> > we all
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > agreed
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can
> > significally
> > > > > >
> > > > > > improve
> > > > > > > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to
> have
> > it in
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my
> > vision of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is
> > discussed
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *and
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir
> > Ozerov,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on
> > dev-list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR
> state
> > - *on my
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time
> > with this
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can
> fix
> > my
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > comments
> > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of
> > Anton
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any
> > community
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > member
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to
> the
> > review -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we
> have
> > two
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > mutually
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7
> > in planned
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG
> in
> > release
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> > option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> > release
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> > plan 2.8
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> > stabilization
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we
> > preparing
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > of SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to
> > master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it
> makes
> > sense
> > > > > >
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в
> > 19:47
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +0300,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is
> > aligned
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > totally. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me
> > some
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > members
> > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>]

+1 from me.

В Вт, 09/10/2018 в 19:16 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет:
> Igniters, Nikolay,
> 
> I've recently discovered an issue [1] which was causing test suite to quit
> on TC. The root cause of the issue was an incorrect handling of WAL
> archiver stop, which causes a failure propagated to the failure processor
> and lead to a JVM halt on each node stop. This is a regression compared
> from 2.6.
> I think it is worth including this fix to 2.7 given that the fix is ready
> and verified on TC.
> 
> Please let me know if you have any objections.
> 
> вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 19:00, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> 
> > Igniters,
> > 
> > Recently, I have filed an issue [1] that deals with possible hanging of WAL
> > logging. I will appreciate your thoughts on its severity. To make logging
> > hang two conditions should be satisfied: WAL mode is {{FSYNC}}, and WAL
> > archiving is disabled. Should we investigate and fix this immediately or is
> > it possible to postpone till 2.8?
> > 
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > 
> > вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 11:17, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > 
> > > Ignite committers,
> > > 
> > > I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7
> > > and master?
> > > 
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > 
> > > > Alexey.
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks, for a clarification.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет:
> > > > > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First
> > > > 
> > > > one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock
> > 
> > during
> > > > WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL
> > > > flush).
> > > > > 
> > > > > --AG
> > > > > 
> > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Release scope is frozen.
> > > > > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in
> > > > 
> > > > this thread.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760,
> > > > 
> > > > IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
> > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> > > > > > > important problem is discussed.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still
> > > > 
> > > > included into
> > > > > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets
> > 
> > without
> > > > > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is
> > > > 
> > > > AI 2.6
> > > > > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > 
> > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about
> > > > 
> > > > Apache Way.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be
> > > > 
> > > > vetoed.
> > > > > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1
> > > > 
> > > > binding and
> > > > > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and
> > > > 
> > > > can't be
> > > > > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which
> > 
> > should
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> > > > > > > > understanding is not a justification.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where
> > > > 
> > > > the bugs
> > > > > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are
> > 
> > all
> > > > > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a
> > > > 
> > > > couple of
> > > > > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is
> > > > 
> > > > possible to
> > > > > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > 
> > > :
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm
> > > > 
> > > > sorry for
> > > > > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against
> > > > 
> > > > ignite-2.6
> > > > > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've
> > > > 
> > > > brought it
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > 
> > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to
> > 
> > *explain
> > > > impact*
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > bug.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > > > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > > > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive
> > > > 
> > > > discussion?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid
> > 
> > (if
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > persistence
> > > > > > > > > > > enabled).
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until
> > > > 
> > > > we're sure
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not
> > > > 
> > > > the case. I
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such
> > > > 
> > > > problems
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > exist
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and
> > > > 
> > > > usability
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently
> > > > 
> > > > in the
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from
> > > > 
> > > > 2.7 and
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > research
> > > > > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > 
> > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers?
> > 
> > What
> > > > is the
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > impact to
> > > > > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we
> > > > 
> > > > do not
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > strive
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release
> > > > 
> > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > unless
> > > > > > > > > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > > 
> > > > stkuzma@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in
> > > > 
> > > > FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in
> > > > 
> > > > archiver -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761
> > 
> > .
> > > > I almost
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > fixed
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do
> > > > 
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > absolute
> > > > > > > > > > best to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related
> > 
> > to.
> > > > I think
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the
> > > > 
> > > > moment. All
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include
> > > > 
> > > > them into
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > AI
> > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be
> > > > 
> > > > moved
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > furhter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on
> > > > 
> > > > their final
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin
> > 
> > Clients),
> > > > another
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various
> > 
> > test
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > failures),
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new
> > > > 
> > > > modules, Java 9+
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these
> > > > 
> > > > tickets are
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > grouped
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress
> > 
> > over
> > > > this week
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy
> > > > 
> > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I
> > > > 
> > > > do not
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > believe all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave
> > > > 
> > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > "must-have"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir
> > > > 
> > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly
> > > > 
> > > > handles
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay
> > > > 
> > > > Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache
> > > > 
> > > > Ignite 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only
> > > > 
> > > > previously
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > announces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or
> > > > 
> > > > *MERGE ALL
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > TASKS
> > > > > > > > > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for
> > 
> > new
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress
> > 
> > tickets
> > > > planned
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this
> > > > 
> > > > ticker
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > friendly
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300,
> > 
> > Andrey
> > > > Gura
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to
> > > > 
> > > > ignite-2.7
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > branch
> > > > > > > > > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM
> > 
> > Andrey
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in
> > 
> > critical
> > > > worker
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > termination
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see
> > > > 
> > > > [1]. Also,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to
> > > > 
> > > > merge.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7.
> > 
> > Any
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > objections?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13,
> > > > 
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as
> > > > 
> > > > an almost
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > healthy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all
> > > > 
> > > > Igniters
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying
> > 
> > to
> > > > log 'some
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are
> > 
> > not
> > > > always
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > valid.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of
> > > > 
> > > > community
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > actions;
> > > > > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely
> > > > 
> > > > hope all
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > similar
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49,
> > > > 
> > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11
> > > > 
> > > > +0300, Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's
> > > > 
> > > > concerns. I
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into
> > 
> > 2.7
> > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > we are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience
> > > > 
> > > > shows, that
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take
> > > > 
> > > > weeks to be
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > finalized
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible
> > > > 
> > > > that at
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > day in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about
> > > > 
> > > > testing?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming
> > > > 
> > > > you that
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > Monday
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization.
> > > > 
> > > > This is
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch
> > > > 
> > > > with deep
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > rework
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that
> > > > 
> > > > our
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to
> > > > 
> > > > contributor's
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that
> > 
> > this
> > > > false
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > puts us
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development,
> > 
> > review,
> > > > testing.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Result is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the
> > 
> > project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why
> > > > 
> > > > don't we just
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > want to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is
> > > > 
> > > > very far
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the
> > 
> > focus
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > dates
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that
> > > > 
> > > > potential merge
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at
> > 
> > 8:32
> > > > AM
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and
> > > > 
> > > > versioning will
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once
> > > > 
> > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella
> > 
> > ticket
> > > > [1] to
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > track
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new
> > > > 
> > > > features,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to
> > > > 
> > > > be more
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > reliable and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> > > > 
> > > > 9:38 PM
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can
> > > > 
> > > > agree. SG
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience,
> > > > 
> > > > features like
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs,
> > > > 
> > > > including
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies,
> > > > 
> > > > together with
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed,
> > > > 
> > > > I think it
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into
> > > > 
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on
> > > > 
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > testing?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> > > > 
> > > > 10:38 AM
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I
> > > > 
> > > > think you're
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > do'er,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust
> > > > 
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if
> > > > 
> > > > I have
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > spare
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г.
> > 
> > в
> > > > 20:34,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping
> > > > 
> > > > in and
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > giving
> > > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal
> > 
> > below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> > > > 
> > > > option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> > > > 
> > > > release
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> > > > 
> > > > plan 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> > > > 
> > > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
> > 
> > 2018
> > > > at 10:30
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we
> > > > 
> > > > shouldn't put so
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and
> > > > 
> > > > important as
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point
> > > > 
> > > > we all
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > agreed
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can
> > > > 
> > > > significally
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > improve
> > > > > > > > > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to
> > > > 
> > > > have it in
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my
> > > > 
> > > > vision of
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG
> > 
> > is
> > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > *and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir
> > > > 
> > > > Ozerov,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on
> > > > 
> > > > dev-list.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR
> > > > 
> > > > state - *on my
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time
> > > > 
> > > > with this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can
> > > > 
> > > > fix my
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > comments
> > > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask
> > 
> > of
> > > > Anton
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any
> > > > 
> > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > member
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them
> > 
> > on
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to
> > > > 
> > > > the review -
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we
> > > > 
> > > > have two
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > mutually
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7
> > > > 
> > > > in planned
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG
> > > > 
> > > > in release
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> > > > 
> > > > option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> > > > 
> > > > release
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> > > > 
> > > > plan 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> > > > 
> > > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we
> > > > 
> > > > preparing
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > release a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back
> > 
> > to
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > of SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Alexey Goncharuk <al...@gmail.com>]

Igniters, Nikolay,

I've recently discovered an issue [1] which was causing test suite to quit
on TC. The root cause of the issue was an incorrect handling of WAL
archiver stop, which causes a failure propagated to the failure processor
and lead to a JVM halt on each node stop. This is a regression compared
from 2.6.
I think it is worth including this fix to 2.7 given that the fix is ready
and verified on TC.

Please let me know if you have any objections.

вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 19:00, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:

> Igniters,
>
> Recently, I have filed an issue [1] that deals with possible hanging of WAL
> logging. I will appreciate your thoughts on its severity. To make logging
> hang two conditions should be satisfied: WAL mode is {{FSYNC}}, and WAL
> archiving is disabled. Should we investigate and fix this immediately or is
> it possible to postpone till 2.8?
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
>
> вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 11:17, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Ignite committers,
> >
> > I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7
> > and master?
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737
> >
> >
> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> >
> >> Alexey.
> >>
> >> Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :)
> >>
> >> Thanks, for a clarification.
> >>
> >>
> >> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет:
> >> > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First
> >> one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock
> during
> >> WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL
> >> flush).
> >> >
> >> > --AG
> >> >
> >> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> >> > > Hello, Igniters.
> >> > >
> >> > > Release scope is frozen.
> >> > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in
> >> this thread.
> >> > >
> >> > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760,
> >> IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
> >> > >
> >>
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
> >> > >
> >> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> >> > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> >> > > > important problem is discussed.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still
> >> included into
> >> > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets
> without
> >> > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is
> >> AI 2.6
> >> > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Nikolay,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about
> >> Apache Way.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be
> >> vetoed.
> >> > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1
> >> binding and
> >> > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and
> >> can't be
> >> > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which
> should
> >> be
> >> > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> >> > > > > understanding is not a justification.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where
> >> the bugs
> >> > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are
> all
> >> > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a
> >> couple of
> >> > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is
> >> possible to
> >> > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <stkuzma@gmail.com
> >:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm
> >> sorry for
> >> > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against
> >> ignite-2.6
> >> > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've
> >> brought it
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > with
> >> > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <
> nizhikov@apache.org
> >> >:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to
> *explain
> >> impact*
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > bug.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> >> > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> >> > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive
> >> discussion?
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> >> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid
> (if
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > persistence
> >> > > > > > > > enabled).
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until
> >> we're sure
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > it
> >> > > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not
> >> the case. I
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > will
> >> > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such
> >> problems
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > exist
> >> > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and
> >> usability
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > product.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> >> > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently
> >> in the
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > same
> >> > > > > > > area
> >> > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from
> >> 2.7 and
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > research
> >> > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers?
> What
> >> is the
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > impact to
> >> > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we
> >> do not
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > strive
> >> > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release
> >> scope,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > unless
> >> > > > > > > > > impact is explained.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> >> stkuzma@gmail.com>:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in
> >> FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > looks
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > like a
> >> > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> >> > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in
> >> archiver -
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761
> .
> >> I almost
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > fixed
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > it.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> >> > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do
> >> my
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > absolute
> >> > > > > > > best to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > finalize
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related
> to.
> >> I think
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > most
> >> > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the
> >> moment. All
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > these
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > were
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include
> >> them into
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > AI
> >> > > > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > scope.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > I
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  would
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be
> >> moved
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > furhter.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on
> >> their final
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > review
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > stages
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin
> Clients),
> >> another
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > big
> >> > > > > > > part
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various
> test
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > failures),
> >> > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > another
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > big
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new
> >> modules, Java 9+
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > support,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these
> >> tickets are
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > grouped
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > around
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress
> over
> >> this week
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > should
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > very
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  good.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy
> >> Setrakyan <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I
> >> do not
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > believe all
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > these
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave
> >> only
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > "must-have"
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir
> >> Ozerov <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly
> >> handles
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > tickets
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > without
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay
> >> Izhikov <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache
> >> Ignite 2.7
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > release.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only
> >> previously
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > announces
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > features.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or
> >> *MERGE ALL
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > TASKS
> >> > > > > > > FOR 2.7
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > DUE
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > TO
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for
> new
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > features.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress
> tickets
> >> planned
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > version
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this
> >> ticker
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > friendly
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > reminder
> >> > > > > > > > > > > #1,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > *the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300,
> Andrey
> >> Gura
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > пишет:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to
> >> ignite-2.7
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > branch
> >> > > > > > > soon.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM
> Andrey
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Kuznetsov
> >> > > > > > <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in
> critical
> >> worker
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > termination
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see
> >> [1]. Also,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > we
> >> > > > > > > have
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > trivial
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > yet
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to
> >> merge.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7.
> Any
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > objections?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13,
> >> Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as
> >> an almost
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > healthy
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > about
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all
> >> Igniters
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > discuss
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > things
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > before
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying
> to
> >> log 'some
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > pre-build
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are
> not
> >> always
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > valid.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of
> >> community
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > actions;
> >> > > > > > > it is
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  principal
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely
> >> hope all
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > similar
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > decisions
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > will
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49,
> >> Nikolay
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Izhikov
> >> > > > > > > <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11
> >> +0300, Vladimir
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Ozerov
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > пишет:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's
> >> concerns. I
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > do
> >> > > > > > > not
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > see a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > single
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into
> 2.7
> >> scope,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > but
> >> > > > > > > we are
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > still
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience
> >> shows, that
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > any
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > feature
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  involving
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take
> >> weeks to be
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > finalized
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > after
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible
> >> that at
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > some
> >> > > > > > > day in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > October
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  we
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about
> >> testing?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > What
> >> > > > > > > about
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > regressions
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming
> >> you that
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > from
> >> > > > > > > Monday
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > lot
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization.
> >> This is
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > sole
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > purpose
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch
> >> with deep
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > rework
> >> > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that
> >> our
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > effrots
> >> > > > > > > will be
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > lost.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to
> >> contributor's
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > time.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that
> this
> >> false
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > hope
> >> > > > > > > puts us
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > at
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > rush.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development,
> review,
> >> testing.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Result is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > known -
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  bad
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the
> project.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why
> >> don't we just
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > want to
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > move
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > it to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  AI
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is
> >> very far
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > from
> >> > > > > > > being
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the
> focus
> >> from
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > dates
> >> > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > quality
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > of the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that
> >> potential merge
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > will
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > defeat
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at
> 8:32
> >> AM
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Vyacheslav
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Daradur
> >> > > > > > > > > > > <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and
> >> versioning will
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > not be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > implemented
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once
> >> it is
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > finished.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella
> ticket
> >> [1] to
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > track
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > phase 1
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new
> >> features,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > but
> >> > > > > > > we
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to
> >> be more
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > reliable and
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > we
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > build
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> >> 9:38 PM
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Dmitriy
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can
> >> agree. SG
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > redesign
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > includes:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience,
> >> features like
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > these
> >> > > > > > > take
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > about
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > 1
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > month
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs,
> >> including
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > redeployment
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > tests
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies,
> >> together with
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > overnight
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > runs.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > If
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > this
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed,
> >> I think it
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > would be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into
> >> the
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > release.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on
> >> the
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > testing?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> >> 10:38 AM
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I
> >> think you're
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > do'er,
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > but
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > not a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust
> >> your
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > opinion.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if
> >> I have
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > spare
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > cycles.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г.
> в
> >> 20:34,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Denis
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Magda <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping
> >> in and
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > giving
> >> > > > > > > more
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > context.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  In
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal
> below:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> >> option *a*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> >> release
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > with
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> >> plan 2.8
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > release at
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> >> stabilization
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > tasks.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
> 2018
> >> at 10:30
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > AM
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  <
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we
> >> shouldn't put so
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > many
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > emotions
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and
> >> important as
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > SG
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > redesign.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point
> >> we all
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > agreed
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > about:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can
> >> significally
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > improve
> >> > > > > > > Ignite.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to
> >> have it in
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > product.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my
> >> vision of
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > current
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > task
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  state:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG
> is
> >> discussed
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > *and
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > aligned*
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  both:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir
> >> Ozerov,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Alexey
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on
> >> dev-list.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > This
> >> > > > > > > task
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR
> >> state - *on my
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > review*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time
> >> with this
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > contribution
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  gave
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can
> >> fix my
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > comments
> >> > > > > > > in a
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > day
> >> > > > > > > > > > > or
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  two.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask
> of
> >> Anton
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Vinogradov
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > review
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any
> >> community
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > member
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > wants
> >> > > > > > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  help
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them
> on
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > dev-list*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to
> >> the review -
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > you are
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > welcome.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  PR
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we
> >> have two
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > mutually
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > exclusive
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > options
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7
> >> in planned
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > dates.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG
> >> in release
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > scope.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> >> option *a*.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> >> release
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2.7
> >> > > > > > > with
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> >> plan 2.8
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > release at
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> >> stabilization
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > tasks.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we
> >> preparing
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > release a
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > lot
> >> > > > > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > things
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back
> to
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > discussion
> >> > > > > > > of SG
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > release
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > version
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>]

Igniters,

Recently, I have filed an issue [1] that deals with possible hanging of WAL
logging. I will appreciate your thoughts on its severity. To make logging
hang two conditions should be satisfied: WAL mode is {{FSYNC}}, and WAL
archiving is disabled. Should we investigate and fix this immediately or is
it possible to postpone till 2.8?

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776

вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 11:17, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:

> Ignite committers,
>
> I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7
> and master?
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737
>
>
> ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
>
>> Alexey.
>>
>> Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :)
>>
>> Thanks, for a clarification.
>>
>>
>> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет:
>> > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First
>> one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during
>> WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL
>> flush).
>> >
>> > --AG
>> >
>> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
>> > > Hello, Igniters.
>> > >
>> > > Release scope is frozen.
>> > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in
>> this thread.
>> > >
>> > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760,
>> IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
>> > >
>> > >
>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
>> > >
>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
>> > >
>> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
>> > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
>> > > > important problem is discussed.
>> > > >
>> > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still
>> included into
>> > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
>> > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is
>> AI 2.6
>> > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Nikolay,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about
>> Apache Way.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be
>> vetoed.
>> > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1
>> binding and
>> > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and
>> can't be
>> > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should
>> be
>> > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
>> > > > > understanding is not a justification.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where
>> the bugs
>> > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
>> > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a
>> couple of
>> > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is
>> possible to
>> > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm
>> sorry for
>> > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against
>> ignite-2.6
>> > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've
>> brought it
>> > > > >
>> > > > > with
>> > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhikov@apache.org
>> >:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain
>> impact*
>> > > > >
>> > > > > of
>> > > > > > a
>> > > > > > > bug.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
>> > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
>> > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive
>> discussion?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
>> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > persistence
>> > > > > > > > enabled).
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until
>> we're sure
>> > > > >
>> > > > > it
>> > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not
>> the case. I
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > will
>> > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such
>> problems
>> > > > >
>> > > > > exist
>> > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and
>> usability
>> > > > >
>> > > > > of
>> > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > product.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
>> > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently
>> in the
>> > > > >
>> > > > > same
>> > > > > > > area
>> > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from
>> 2.7 and
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > research
>> > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <
>> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What
>> is the
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > impact to
>> > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we
>> do not
>> > > > >
>> > > > > strive
>> > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release
>> scope,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > unless
>> > > > > > > > > impact is explained.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
>> stkuzma@gmail.com>:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in
>> FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > looks
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > like a
>> > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> > > > >
>> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>> > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
>> > > > >
>> > > > > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
>> > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in
>> archiver -
>> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761.
>> I almost
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > fixed
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > it.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
>> > > > >
>> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
>> > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do
>> my
>> > > > >
>> > > > > absolute
>> > > > > > > best to
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > finalize
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to.
>> I think
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > most
>> > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
>> > > > > > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the
>> moment. All
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > these
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
>> > > > > > > > > > > > were
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include
>> them into
>> > > > >
>> > > > > AI
>> > > > > > > 2.7
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > scope.
>> > > > > > > > > > > I
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  would
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be
>> moved
>> > > > >
>> > > > > furhter.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on
>> their final
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > review
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > stages
>> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients),
>> another
>> > > > >
>> > > > > big
>> > > > > > > part
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
>> > > > >
>> > > > > failures),
>> > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > another
>> > > > > > > > > > > > big
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new
>> modules, Java 9+
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > support,
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these
>> tickets are
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > grouped
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > around
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over
>> this week
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > should
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > be
>> > > > > > > > > > > very
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  good.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy
>> Setrakyan <
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I
>> do not
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > believe all
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > these
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave
>> only
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > "must-have"
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
>> > > > > > > > > > > > in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir
>> Ozerov <
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly
>> handles
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > tickets
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > without
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay
>> Izhikov <
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache
>> Ignite 2.7
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > release.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only
>> previously
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > announces
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > features.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or
>> *MERGE ALL
>> > > > >
>> > > > > TASKS
>> > > > > > > FOR 2.7
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > DUE
>> > > > > > > > > > > > TO
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
>> > > > >
>> > > > > features.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets
>> planned
>> > > > >
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > > > 2.7
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > version
>> > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this
>> ticker
>> > > > >
>> > > > > friendly
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > reminder
>> > > > > > > > > > > #1,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > *the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey
>> Gura
>> > > > >
>> > > > > пишет:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to
>> ignite-2.7
>> > > > >
>> > > > > branch
>> > > > > > > soon.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Kuznetsov
>> > > > > > <
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical
>> worker
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > termination
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see
>> [1]. Also,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > we
>> > > > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > trivial
>> > > > > > > > > > > > yet
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to
>> merge.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
>> > > > >
>> > > > > objections?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13,
>> Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as
>> an almost
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > healthy
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > about
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all
>> Igniters
>> > > > >
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > > > discuss
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > things
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > before
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to
>> log 'some
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > pre-build
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not
>> always
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > valid.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of
>> community
>> > > > >
>> > > > > actions;
>> > > > > > > it is
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  principal
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely
>> hope all
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > similar
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > decisions
>> > > > > > > > > > > > will
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  be
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49,
>> Nikolay
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Izhikov
>> > > > > > > <
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11
>> +0300, Vladimir
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Ozerov
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > пишет:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's
>> concerns. I
>> > > > >
>> > > > > do
>> > > > > > > not
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > see a
>> > > > > > > > > > > > single
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7
>> scope,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > but
>> > > > > > > we are
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > still
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience
>> shows, that
>> > > > >
>> > > > > any
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > feature
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  involving
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take
>> weeks to be
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > finalized
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > after
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible
>> that at
>> > > > >
>> > > > > some
>> > > > > > > day in
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > October
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  we
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about
>> testing?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What
>> > > > > > > about
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > regressions
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming
>> you that
>> > > > >
>> > > > > from
>> > > > > > > Monday
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > a
>> > > > > > > > > > > lot
>> > > > > > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization.
>> This is
>> > > > >
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > sole
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > purpose
>> > > > > > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch
>> with deep
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > rework
>> > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Ignite
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that
>> our
>> > > > >
>> > > > > effrots
>> > > > > > > will be
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > lost.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to
>> contributor's
>> > > > >
>> > > > > time.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this
>> false
>> > > > >
>> > > > > hope
>> > > > > > > puts us
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > at
>> > > > > > > > > > > > rush.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review,
>> testing.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Result is
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > known -
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  bad
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why
>> don't we just
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > want to
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > move
>> > > > > > > > > > > > it to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  AI
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is
>> very far
>> > > > >
>> > > > > from
>> > > > > > > being
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > ready.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus
>> from
>> > > > >
>> > > > > dates
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > quality
>> > > > > > > > > > > > of the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that
>> potential merge
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > will
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > defeat
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32
>> AM
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Vyacheslav
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Daradur
>> > > > > > > > > > > <
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and
>> versioning will
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > not be
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > implemented
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once
>> it is
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > finished.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket
>> [1] to
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > track
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > phase 1
>> > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new
>> features,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > but
>> > > > > > > we
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > completely
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to
>> be more
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > reliable and
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > we
>> > > > > > > > > > > > build
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
>> 9:38 PM
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can
>> agree. SG
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > redesign
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > includes:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience,
>> features like
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > these
>> > > > > > > take
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > about
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 1
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > month
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs,
>> including
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > redeployment
>> > > > > > > > > > > > tests
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies,
>> together with
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > overnight
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > runs.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > If
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > this
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed,
>> I think it
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > would be
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into
>> the
>> > > > >
>> > > > > release.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on
>> the
>> > > > >
>> > > > > testing?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
>> 10:38 AM
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I
>> think you're
>> > > > >
>> > > > > a
>> > > > > > > do'er,
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > but
>> > > > > > > > > > > > not a
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust
>> your
>> > > > >
>> > > > > opinion.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if
>> I have
>> > > > >
>> > > > > spare
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > cycles.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
>> 20:34,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Denis
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Magda <
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping
>> in and
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > giving
>> > > > > > > more
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > context.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  In
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
>> option *a*.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
>> release
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 2.7
>> > > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
>> plan 2.8
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > release at
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
>> stabilization
>> > > > >
>> > > > > tasks.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018
>> at 10:30
>> > > > >
>> > > > > AM
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Nikolay
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  <
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we
>> shouldn't put so
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > many
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > emotions
>> > > > > > > > > > > > in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and
>> important as
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > SG
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > redesign.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point
>> we all
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > agreed
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > about:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Service
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can
>> significally
>> > > > >
>> > > > > improve
>> > > > > > > Ignite.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to
>> have it in
>> > > > >
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > product.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my
>> vision of
>> > > > >
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > current
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > task
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  state:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is
>> discussed
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *and
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > aligned*
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  both:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir
>> Ozerov,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Alexey
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on
>> dev-list.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > This
>> > > > > > > task
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > > > > > done.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR
>> state - *on my
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > review*.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time
>> with this
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > contribution
>> > > > > > > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  gave
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can
>> fix my
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > comments
>> > > > > > > in a
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > day
>> > > > > > > > > > > or
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  two.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of
>> Anton
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Vinogradov
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > review
>> > > > > > > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any
>> community
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > member
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > wants
>> > > > > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  help
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
>> > > > >
>> > > > > dev-list*.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to
>> the review -
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > you are
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > welcome.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  PR
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we
>> have two
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > mutually
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > exclusive
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > options
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7
>> in planned
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > dates.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG
>> in release
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > scope.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
>> option *a*.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
>> release
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 2.7
>> > > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
>> plan 2.8
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > release at
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
>> stabilization
>> > > > >
>> > > > > tasks.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we
>> preparing
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > release a
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > lot
>> > > > > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > things
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
>> > > > >
>> > > > > discussion
>> > > > > > > of SG
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > release
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > version
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to
>> master*.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it
>> makes sense
>> > > > >
>> > > > > for
>> > > > > > > you?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в
>> 19:47
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > +0300,
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is
>> aligned
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > totally. The
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > thread you
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me
>> some
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > community
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > members
>> > > > > > > > > > > are
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > trying
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it
>> instead of
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > doing.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of
>> the Apache
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > community,
>> > > > > > > > > > I
>> > > > > > > > > > > > value
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not
>> just
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > disagree.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > There
>> > > > > > > > > > > are
>> > > > > > > > > > > > no
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I
>> mean
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Nikolay
>> > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > For
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight
>> here. If
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Vladimir
>> > > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > ready
>> > > > > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  lead
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > an
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG
>> developers agree,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > it
>> > > > > > > works
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > > > me.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент.
>> 2018 г. в
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 19:39,
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> <ds...@apache.org>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>   Andrey Kuznetsov.
>


-- 
Best regards,
  Andrey Kuznetsov.

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>]

Ignite committers,

I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7 and
master?

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737


ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:

> Alexey.
>
> Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :)
>
> Thanks, for a clarification.
>
>
> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет:
> > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First
> one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during
> WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL
> flush).
> >
> > --AG
> >
> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > Hello, Igniters.
> > >
> > > Release scope is frozen.
> > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in this
> thread.
> > >
> > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760,
> IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
> > >
> > >
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
> > >
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
> > >
> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> > > > important problem is discussed.
> > > >
> > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still
> included into
> > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
> > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI
> 2.6
> > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > >
> > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about
> Apache Way.
> > > > >
> > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be
> vetoed.
> > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1
> binding and
> > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> > > > >
> > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and
> can't be
> > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should
> be
> > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> > > > > understanding is not a justification.
> > > > >
> > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the
> bugs
> > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
> > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a
> couple of
> > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is
> possible to
> > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm
> sorry for
> > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against
> ignite-2.6
> > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've
> brought it
> > > > >
> > > > > with
> > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhikov@apache.org
> >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain
> impact*
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > bug.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive
> discussion?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
> > > > > >
> > > > > > persistence
> > > > > > > > enabled).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until
> we're sure
> > > > >
> > > > > it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the
> case. I
> > > > > >
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such
> problems
> > > > >
> > > > > exist
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and
> usability
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently
> in the
> > > > >
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7
> and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > research
> > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <
> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What
> is the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > impact to
> > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do
> not
> > > > >
> > > > > strive
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release
> scope,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > unless
> > > > > > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> stkuzma@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in
> FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> > > > > >
> > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > >
> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> > > > >
> > > > > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in
> archiver -
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761.
> I almost
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > fixed
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> > > > >
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my
> > > > >
> > > > > absolute
> > > > > > > best to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to.
> I think
> > > > > >
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the
> moment. All
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include
> them into
> > > > >
> > > > > AI
> > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be
> moved
> > > > >
> > > > > furhter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on
> their final
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients),
> another
> > > > >
> > > > > big
> > > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
> > > > >
> > > > > failures),
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules,
> Java 9+
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > support,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these
> tickets are
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > grouped
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over
> this week
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy
> Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I
> do not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > believe all
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave
> only
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "must-have"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir
> Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly
> handles
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay
> Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache
> Ignite 2.7
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only
> previously
> > > > > >
> > > > > > announces
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE
> ALL
> > > > >
> > > > > TASKS
> > > > > > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
> > > > >
> > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets
> planned
> > > > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker
> > > > >
> > > > > friendly
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey
> Gura
> > > > >
> > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to
> ignite-2.7
> > > > >
> > > > > branch
> > > > > > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
> > > > >
> > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical
> worker
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > termination
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see
> [1]. Also,
> > > > >
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
> > > > >
> > > > > objections?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an
> almost
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > healthy
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all
> Igniters
> > > > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to
> log 'some
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not
> always
> > > > > >
> > > > > > valid.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community
> > > > >
> > > > > actions;
> > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope
> all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > similar
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49,
> Nikolay
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300,
> Vladimir
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's
> concerns. I
> > > > >
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7
> scope,
> > > > >
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > we are
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience
> shows, that
> > > > >
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take
> weeks to be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > finalized
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible
> that at
> > > > >
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > day in
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about
> testing?
> > > > >
> > > > > What
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you
> that
> > > > >
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > Monday
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization.
> This is
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with
> deep
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rework
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that
> our
> > > > >
> > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to
> contributor's
> > > > >
> > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this
> false
> > > > >
> > > > > hope
> > > > > > > puts us
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review,
> testing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Result is
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't
> we just
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > want to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is
> very far
> > > > >
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus
> from
> > > > >
> > > > > dates
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that
> potential merge
> > > > > >
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32
> AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and
> versioning will
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it
> is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket
> [1] to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > track
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new
> features,
> > > > >
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be
> more
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > reliable and
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> 9:38 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can
> agree. SG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience,
> features like
> > > > > >
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs,
> including
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies,
> together with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I
> think it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the
> > > > >
> > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the
> > > > >
> > > > > testing?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> 10:38 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I
> think you're
> > > > >
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > do'er,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust
> your
> > > > >
> > > > > opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I
> have
> > > > >
> > > > > spare
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 20:34,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping
> in and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > giving
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> release
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> plan 2.8
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> stabilization
> > > > >
> > > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018
> at 10:30
> > > > >
> > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we
> shouldn't put so
> > > > > >
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and
> important as
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point
> we all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > agreed
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can
> significally
> > > > >
> > > > > improve
> > > > > > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have
> it in
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my
> vision of
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is
> discussed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *and
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir
> Ozerov,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on
> dev-list.
> > > > >
> > > > > This
> > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state
> - *on my
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time
> with this
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix
> my
> > > > > >
> > > > > > comments
> > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of
> Anton
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any
> community
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > member
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
> > > > >
> > > > > dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the
> review -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have
> two
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mutually
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7
> in planned
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in
> release
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> release
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> plan 2.8
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> stabilization
> > > > >
> > > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we
> preparing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release a
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
> > > > >
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > of SG
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to
> master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes
> sense
> > > > >
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в
> 19:47
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +0300,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is
> aligned
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > totally. The
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me
> some
> > > > > >
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > members
> > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it
> instead of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of
> the Apache
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > community,
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not
> just
> > > > > >
> > > > > > disagree.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There
> > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I
> mean
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here.
> If
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers
> agree,
> > > > >
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > works
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> г. в
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 19:39,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > <ds...@apache.org>



-- 
Best regards,
  Andrey Kuznetsov.

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>]

Hi Alexey,

Security is always mandatory for all Apache projects. So I agree we should
include.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

чт, 4 окт. 2018 г. в 12:37, Alexey Kuznetsov <ak...@apache.org>:

> Hi, All!
>
> I found a bug with *IGNITE_MBEANS_DISABLED* system property.
> I created issue:  IGNITE-9792 Setting system property
> *IGNITE_MBEANS_DISABLED* to true lead to NPE.
>
> I think this one can be included into 2.7, because java docs
> for IGNITE_MBEANS_DISABLED
>  claims that "*This may be helpful if MBeans are not allowed e.g. for
> security reasons.*"
>
> The fix is trivial (one liner + simple text).
>
> I can contribute the fix for this bug.
>
> 1. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9792
>
> --
> Alexey Kuznetsov
>

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Alexey Kuznetsov <ak...@apache.org>]

Hi, All!

I found a bug with *IGNITE_MBEANS_DISABLED* system property.
I created issue:  IGNITE-9792 Setting system property
*IGNITE_MBEANS_DISABLED* to true lead to NPE.

I think this one can be included into 2.7, because java docs
for IGNITE_MBEANS_DISABLED
 claims that "*This may be helpful if MBeans are not allowed e.g. for
security reasons.*"

The fix is trivial (one liner + simple text).

I can contribute the fix for this bug.

1. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9792

-- 
Alexey Kuznetsov

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>]

Igniters,

We observe serious drop in SQL performance. Corresponding ticket with
"blocker" priority has been added to AI 2.7 scope [1].

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9784

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:02 PM Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org> wrote:

> Alexey.
>
> Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :)
>
> Thanks, for a clarification.
>
>
> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет:
> > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First
> one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during
> WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL
> flush).
> >
> > --AG
> >
> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > Hello, Igniters.
> > >
> > > Release scope is frozen.
> > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in this
> thread.
> > >
> > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760,
> IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
> > >
> > >
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
> > >
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
> > >
> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> > > > important problem is discussed.
> > > >
> > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still
> included into
> > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
> > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI
> 2.6
> > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > >
> > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about
> Apache Way.
> > > > >
> > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be
> vetoed.
> > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1
> binding and
> > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> > > > >
> > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and
> can't be
> > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should
> be
> > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> > > > > understanding is not a justification.
> > > > >
> > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the
> bugs
> > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
> > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a
> couple of
> > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is
> possible to
> > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm
> sorry for
> > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against
> ignite-2.6
> > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've
> brought it
> > > > >
> > > > > with
> > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhikov@apache.org
> >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain
> impact*
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > bug.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive
> discussion?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
> > > > > >
> > > > > > persistence
> > > > > > > > enabled).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until
> we're sure
> > > > >
> > > > > it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the
> case. I
> > > > > >
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such
> problems
> > > > >
> > > > > exist
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and
> usability
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently
> in the
> > > > >
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7
> and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > research
> > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <
> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What
> is the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > impact to
> > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do
> not
> > > > >
> > > > > strive
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release
> scope,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > unless
> > > > > > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> stkuzma@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in
> FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> > > > > >
> > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > >
> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> > > > >
> > > > > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in
> archiver -
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761.
> I almost
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > fixed
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> > > > >
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my
> > > > >
> > > > > absolute
> > > > > > > best to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to.
> I think
> > > > > >
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the
> moment. All
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include
> them into
> > > > >
> > > > > AI
> > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be
> moved
> > > > >
> > > > > furhter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on
> their final
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients),
> another
> > > > >
> > > > > big
> > > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
> > > > >
> > > > > failures),
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules,
> Java 9+
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > support,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these
> tickets are
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > grouped
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over
> this week
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy
> Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I
> do not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > believe all
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave
> only
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "must-have"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir
> Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly
> handles
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay
> Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache
> Ignite 2.7
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only
> previously
> > > > > >
> > > > > > announces
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE
> ALL
> > > > >
> > > > > TASKS
> > > > > > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
> > > > >
> > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets
> planned
> > > > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker
> > > > >
> > > > > friendly
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey
> Gura
> > > > >
> > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to
> ignite-2.7
> > > > >
> > > > > branch
> > > > > > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
> > > > >
> > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical
> worker
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > termination
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see
> [1]. Also,
> > > > >
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
> > > > >
> > > > > objections?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an
> almost
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > healthy
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all
> Igniters
> > > > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to
> log 'some
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not
> always
> > > > > >
> > > > > > valid.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community
> > > > >
> > > > > actions;
> > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope
> all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > similar
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49,
> Nikolay
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300,
> Vladimir
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's
> concerns. I
> > > > >
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7
> scope,
> > > > >
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > we are
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience
> shows, that
> > > > >
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take
> weeks to be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > finalized
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible
> that at
> > > > >
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > day in
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about
> testing?
> > > > >
> > > > > What
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you
> that
> > > > >
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > Monday
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization.
> This is
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with
> deep
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rework
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that
> our
> > > > >
> > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to
> contributor's
> > > > >
> > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this
> false
> > > > >
> > > > > hope
> > > > > > > puts us
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review,
> testing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Result is
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't
> we just
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > want to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is
> very far
> > > > >
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus
> from
> > > > >
> > > > > dates
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that
> potential merge
> > > > > >
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32
> AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and
> versioning will
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it
> is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket
> [1] to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > track
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new
> features,
> > > > >
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be
> more
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > reliable and
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> 9:38 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can
> agree. SG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience,
> features like
> > > > > >
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs,
> including
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies,
> together with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I
> think it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the
> > > > >
> > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the
> > > > >
> > > > > testing?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> 10:38 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I
> think you're
> > > > >
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > do'er,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust
> your
> > > > >
> > > > > opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I
> have
> > > > >
> > > > > spare
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 20:34,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping
> in and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > giving
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> release
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> plan 2.8
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> stabilization
> > > > >
> > > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018
> at 10:30
> > > > >
> > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we
> shouldn't put so
> > > > > >
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and
> important as
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point
> we all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > agreed
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can
> significally
> > > > >
> > > > > improve
> > > > > > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have
> it in
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my
> vision of
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is
> discussed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *and
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir
> Ozerov,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on
> dev-list.
> > > > >
> > > > > This
> > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state
> - *on my
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time
> with this
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix
> my
> > > > > >
> > > > > > comments
> > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of
> Anton
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any
> community
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > member
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
> > > > >
> > > > > dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the
> review -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have
> two
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mutually
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7
> in planned
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in
> release
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to
> option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> release
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should
> plan 2.8
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC
> stabilization
> > > > >
> > > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we
> preparing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release a
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
> > > > >
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > of SG
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to
> master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes
> sense
> > > > >
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в
> 19:47
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +0300,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is
> aligned
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > totally. The
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me
> some
> > > > > >
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > members
> > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it
> instead of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of
> the Apache
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > community,
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not
> just
> > > > > >
> > > > > > disagree.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There
> > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I
> mean
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here.
> If
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers
> agree,
> > > > >
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > works
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> г. в
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 19:39,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > <ds...@apache.org>

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>]

Alexey.

Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :)

Thanks, for a clarification.


В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет:
> Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL flush).
> 
> --AG
> 
> ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > Hello, Igniters.
> > 
> > Release scope is frozen.
> > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in this thread.
> > 
> > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760, IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
> > 
> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
> > 
> > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> > > important problem is discussed.
> > > 
> > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still included into
> > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
> > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI 2.6
> > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Nikolay,
> > > > 
> > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about Apache Way.
> > > > 
> > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be vetoed.
> > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 binding and
> > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> > > > 
> > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and can't be
> > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should be
> > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> > > > understanding is not a justification.
> > > > 
> > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the bugs
> > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
> > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a couple of
> > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is possible to
> > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> > > > 
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > 
> > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > > > 
> > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> > > > > 
> > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for
> > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6
> > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought it
> > > > 
> > > > with
> > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> > > > > 
> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > 
> > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact*
> > > > 
> > > > of
> > > > > a
> > > > > > bug.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
> > > > > 
> > > > > persistence
> > > > > > > enabled).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure
> > > > 
> > > > it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I
> > > > > 
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems
> > > > 
> > > > exist
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability
> > > > 
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the
> > > > 
> > > > same
> > > > > > area
> > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and
> > > > > 
> > > > > research
> > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > impact to
> > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not
> > > > 
> > > > strive
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope,
> > > > > 
> > > > > unless
> > > > > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> > > > > 
> > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > 
> > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> > > > 
> > > > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > fixed
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> > > > 
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my
> > > > 
> > > > absolute
> > > > > > best to
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think
> > > > > 
> > > > > most
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them into
> > > > 
> > > > AI
> > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved
> > > > 
> > > > furhter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their final
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another
> > > > 
> > > > big
> > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
> > > > 
> > > > failures),
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > support,
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > grouped
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > believe all
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "must-have"
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles
> > > > > 
> > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously
> > > > > 
> > > > > announces
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL
> > > > 
> > > > TASKS
> > > > > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
> > > > 
> > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned
> > > > 
> > > > to
> > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker
> > > > 
> > > > friendly
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura
> > > > 
> > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7
> > > > 
> > > > branch
> > > > > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
> > > > 
> > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > termination
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also,
> > > > 
> > > > we
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
> > > > 
> > > > objections?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > healthy
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters
> > > > 
> > > > to
> > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always
> > > > > 
> > > > > valid.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community
> > > > 
> > > > actions;
> > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all
> > > > > 
> > > > > similar
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay
> > > > > 
> > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I
> > > > 
> > > > do
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope,
> > > > 
> > > > but
> > > > > > we are
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that
> > > > 
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > finalized
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at
> > > > 
> > > > some
> > > > > > day in
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing?
> > > > 
> > > > What
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that
> > > > 
> > > > from
> > > > > > Monday
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is
> > > > 
> > > > the
> > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep
> > > > > 
> > > > > rework
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our
> > > > 
> > > > effrots
> > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's
> > > > 
> > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false
> > > > 
> > > > hope
> > > > > > puts us
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Result is
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > want to
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far
> > > > 
> > > > from
> > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from
> > > > 
> > > > dates
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge
> > > > > 
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM
> > > > > 
> > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is
> > > > > 
> > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to
> > > > > 
> > > > > track
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features,
> > > > 
> > > > but
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > reliable and
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG
> > > > > 
> > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like
> > > > > 
> > > > > these
> > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the
> > > > 
> > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the
> > > > 
> > > > testing?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're
> > > > 
> > > > a
> > > > > > do'er,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your
> > > > 
> > > > opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have
> > > > 
> > > > spare
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and
> > > > > 
> > > > > giving
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
> > > > 
> > > > 2.7
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> > > > 
> > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30
> > > > 
> > > > AM
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so
> > > > > 
> > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as
> > > > > 
> > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all
> > > > > 
> > > > > agreed
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally
> > > > 
> > > > improve
> > > > > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in
> > > > 
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of
> > > > 
> > > > the
> > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > *and
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list.
> > > > 
> > > > This
> > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my
> > > > > 
> > > > > comments
> > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > member
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
> > > > 
> > > > dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review -
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two
> > > > > 
> > > > > mutually
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
> > > > 
> > > > 2.7
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > release at
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> > > > 
> > > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > release a
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
> > > > 
> > > > discussion
> > > > > > of SG
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense
> > > > 
> > > > for
> > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47
> > > > > 
> > > > > +0300,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > totally. The
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some
> > > > > 
> > > > > community
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > members
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of
> > > > > 
> > > > > doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > community,
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just
> > > > > 
> > > > > disagree.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > There
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If
> > > > > 
> > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree,
> > > > 
> > > > it
> > > > > > works
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > > > 
> > > > > 19:39,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the
> > > > 
> > > > beginning
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the
> > > > 
> > > > release
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has
> > > > > 
> > > > > changed
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > since.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > confidence
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a
> > > > 
> > > > release
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > manager.
> > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is
> > > > 
> > > > doing
> > > > > a
> > > > > > great
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he
> > > > 
> > > > proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 4:31 AM
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > nonsense
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > disagreed with
> > > > > > > > > 

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Alexey Goncharuk <al...@gmail.com>]

Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First one
was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during WAL
flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL flush).

--AG

ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:

> Hello, Igniters.
>
> Release scope is frozen.
> Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in this
> thread.
>
> Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760,
> IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
>
>
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
>
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
>
> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> > important problem is discussed.
> >
> > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still included
> into
> > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
> > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI 2.6
> > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Nikolay,
> > >
> > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about Apache
> Way.
> > >
> > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be
> vetoed.
> > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 binding and
> > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> > >
> > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and can't be
> > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should be
> > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> > > understanding is not a justification.
> > >
> > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the bugs
> > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
> > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a couple of
> > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is
> possible to
> > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> > > >
> > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for
> > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6
> > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought
> it
> > >
> > > with
> > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > >
> > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain
> impact*
> > >
> > > of
> > > > a
> > > > > bug.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?
> > > > >
> > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
> > > >
> > > > persistence
> > > > > > enabled).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're
> sure
> > >
> > > it
> > > > is
> > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the
> case. I
> > > >
> > > > will
> > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems
> > >
> > > exist
> > > > > and
> > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and
> usability
> > >
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > product.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the
> > >
> > > same
> > > > > area
> > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and
> > > >
> > > > research
> > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <
> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > impact to
> > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not
> > >
> > > strive
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope,
> > > >
> > > > unless
> > > > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> stkuzma@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager.
> It
> > > >
> > > > looks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >
> > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> > >
> > > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > > > > :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver
> -
> > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I
> almost
> > > > >
> > > > > fixed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> > >
> > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my
> > >
> > > absolute
> > > > > best to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I
> think
> > > >
> > > > most
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the
> moment. All
> > > > >
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them
> into
> > >
> > > AI
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved
> > >
> > > furhter.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their
> final
> > > > >
> > > > > review
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients),
> another
> > >
> > > big
> > > > > part
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
> > >
> > > failures),
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules,
> Java 9+
> > > > >
> > > > > support,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these
> tickets are
> > > > >
> > > > > grouped
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this
> week
> > > > >
> > > > > should
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not
> > > > >
> > > > > believe all
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only
> > > > >
> > > > > "must-have"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov
> <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles
> > > >
> > > > tickets
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay
> Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache
> Ignite 2.7
> > > > >
> > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously
> > > >
> > > > announces
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL
> > >
> > > TASKS
> > > > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
> > >
> > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets
> planned
> > >
> > > to
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker
> > >
> > > friendly
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura
> > >
> > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7
> > >
> > > branch
> > > > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
> > >
> > > Kuznetsov
> > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical
> worker
> > > > >
> > > > > termination
> > > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1].
> Also,
> > >
> > > we
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
> > >
> > > objections?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an
> almost
> > > > >
> > > > > healthy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all
> Igniters
> > >
> > > to
> > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log
> 'some
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not
> always
> > > >
> > > > valid.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community
> > >
> > > actions;
> > > > > it is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all
> > > >
> > > > similar
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay
> > > >
> > > > Izhikov
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300,
> Vladimir
> > > > >
> > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's
> concerns. I
> > >
> > > do
> > > > > not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7
> scope,
> > >
> > > but
> > > > > we are
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows,
> that
> > >
> > > any
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks
> to be
> > > > >
> > > > > finalized
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that
> at
> > >
> > > some
> > > > > day in
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing?
> > >
> > > What
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that
> > >
> > > from
> > > > > Monday
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This
> is
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep
> > > >
> > > > rework
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our
> > >
> > > effrots
> > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's
> > >
> > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false
> > >
> > > hope
> > > > > puts us
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review,
> testing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Result is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we
> just
> > > > >
> > > > > want to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very
> far
> > >
> > > from
> > > > > being
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from
> > >
> > > dates
> > > > to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential
> merge
> > > >
> > > > will
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM
> > > >
> > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning
> will
> > > > >
> > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is
> > > >
> > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1]
> to
> > > >
> > > > track
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new
> features,
> > >
> > > but
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more
> > > > >
> > > > > reliable and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM
> > > >
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG
> > > >
> > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features
> like
> > > >
> > > > these
> > > > > take
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs,
> including
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together
> with
> > > > >
> > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I
> think it
> > > > >
> > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the
> > >
> > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the
> > >
> > > testing?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38
> AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think
> you're
> > >
> > > a
> > > > > do'er,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your
> > >
> > > opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have
> > >
> > > spare
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 20:34,
> > > >
> > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and
> > > >
> > > > giving
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option
> *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> release
> > >
> > > 2.7
> > > > > with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > > >
> > > > > release at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> > >
> > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> 10:30
> > >
> > > AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't
> put so
> > > >
> > > > many
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and
> important as
> > > >
> > > > SG
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all
> > > >
> > > > agreed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally
> > >
> > > improve
> > > > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it
> in
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision
> of
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > current
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is
> discussed
> > > > >
> > > > > *and
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov,
> > > >
> > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on
> dev-list.
> > >
> > > This
> > > > > task
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state -
> *on my
> > > > >
> > > > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with
> this
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my
> > > >
> > > > comments
> > > > > in a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton
> > > > >
> > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any
> community
> > > > >
> > > > > member
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
> > >
> > > dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the
> review -
> > > > >
> > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two
> > > >
> > > > mutually
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in
> planned
> > > > >
> > > > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in
> release
> > > > >
> > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option
> *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> release
> > >
> > > 2.7
> > > > > with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > > >
> > > > > release at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> > >
> > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we
> preparing
> > > > >
> > > > > release a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
> > >
> > > discussion
> > > > > of SG
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes
> sense
> > >
> > > for
> > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47
> > > >
> > > > +0300,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned
> > > > >
> > > > > totally. The
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some
> > > >
> > > > community
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > members
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of
> > > >
> > > > doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the
> Apache
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > community,
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just
> > > >
> > > > disagree.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean
> > > >
> > > > Nikolay
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If
> > > >
> > > > Vladimir
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers
> agree,
> > >
> > > it
> > > > > works
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > >
> > > > 19:39,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the
> > >
> > > beginning
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the
> > >
> > > release
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has
> > > >
> > > > changed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > since.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I
> have no
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > confidence
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8
> release.
> > > > >
> > > > > The 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a
> > >
> > > release
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > manager.
> > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is
> > >
> > > doing
> > > > a
> > > > > great
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he
> > >
> > > proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
> 2018 at
> > > > >
> > > > > 4:31 AM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop
> this
> > > > >
> > > > > nonsense
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you
> > > > >
> > > > > disagreed with
> > > > > > > >
>

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>]

Hi Igniters,

After a short chat with Vladimir I understood the concern, it should be a
regression, but not just a bug, which existed for years. It is the case of
all fixes related to WAL nowadays.

I can research a bit which ticket caused regression, but I see no reason to
do if we already have fixes instead.

Nikolay,

we've passed only scope freeze, but not code freeze. I've mentioned we
should discuss ticket including in our process, and features are
prohibited, but please note it is a draft for now.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:

> Hello, Igniters.
>
> Release scope is frozen.
> Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in this
> thread.
>
> Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760,
> IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.
>
>
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
>
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69
>
> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> > important problem is discussed.
> >
> > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still included
> into
> > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
> > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI 2.6
> > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Nikolay,
> > >
> > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about Apache
> Way.
> > >
> > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be
> vetoed.
> > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 binding and
> > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> > >
> > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and can't be
> > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should be
> > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> > > understanding is not a justification.
> > >
> > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the bugs
> > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
> > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a couple of
> > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is
> possible to
> > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> > > >
> > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for
> > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6
> > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought
> it
> > >
> > > with
> > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > >
> > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain
> impact*
> > >
> > > of
> > > > a
> > > > > bug.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?
> > > > >
> > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
> > > >
> > > > persistence
> > > > > > enabled).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're
> sure
> > >
> > > it
> > > > is
> > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the
> case. I
> > > >
> > > > will
> > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems
> > >
> > > exist
> > > > > and
> > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and
> usability
> > >
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > product.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the
> > >
> > > same
> > > > > area
> > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and
> > > >
> > > > research
> > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <
> vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > impact to
> > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not
> > >
> > > strive
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope,
> > > >
> > > > unless
> > > > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> stkuzma@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager.
> It
> > > >
> > > > looks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >
> > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> > >
> > > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > > > > :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver
> -
> > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I
> almost
> > > > >
> > > > > fixed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> > >
> > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my
> > >
> > > absolute
> > > > > best to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I
> think
> > > >
> > > > most
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the
> moment. All
> > > > >
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them
> into
> > >
> > > AI
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved
> > >
> > > furhter.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their
> final
> > > > >
> > > > > review
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients),
> another
> > >
> > > big
> > > > > part
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
> > >
> > > failures),
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules,
> Java 9+
> > > > >
> > > > > support,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these
> tickets are
> > > > >
> > > > > grouped
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this
> week
> > > > >
> > > > > should
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not
> > > > >
> > > > > believe all
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only
> > > > >
> > > > > "must-have"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov
> <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles
> > > >
> > > > tickets
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay
> Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache
> Ignite 2.7
> > > > >
> > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously
> > > >
> > > > announces
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL
> > >
> > > TASKS
> > > > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
> > >
> > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets
> planned
> > >
> > > to
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker
> > >
> > > friendly
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura
> > >
> > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7
> > >
> > > branch
> > > > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
> > >
> > > Kuznetsov
> > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical
> worker
> > > > >
> > > > > termination
> > > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1].
> Also,
> > >
> > > we
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
> > >
> > > objections?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an
> almost
> > > > >
> > > > > healthy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all
> Igniters
> > >
> > > to
> > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log
> 'some
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not
> always
> > > >
> > > > valid.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community
> > >
> > > actions;
> > > > > it is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all
> > > >
> > > > similar
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay
> > > >
> > > > Izhikov
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300,
> Vladimir
> > > > >
> > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's
> concerns. I
> > >
> > > do
> > > > > not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7
> scope,
> > >
> > > but
> > > > > we are
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows,
> that
> > >
> > > any
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks
> to be
> > > > >
> > > > > finalized
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that
> at
> > >
> > > some
> > > > > day in
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing?
> > >
> > > What
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that
> > >
> > > from
> > > > > Monday
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This
> is
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep
> > > >
> > > > rework
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our
> > >
> > > effrots
> > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's
> > >
> > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false
> > >
> > > hope
> > > > > puts us
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review,
> testing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Result is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we
> just
> > > > >
> > > > > want to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very
> far
> > >
> > > from
> > > > > being
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from
> > >
> > > dates
> > > > to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential
> merge
> > > >
> > > > will
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM
> > > >
> > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning
> will
> > > > >
> > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is
> > > >
> > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1]
> to
> > > >
> > > > track
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new
> features,
> > >
> > > but
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more
> > > > >
> > > > > reliable and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM
> > > >
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG
> > > >
> > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features
> like
> > > >
> > > > these
> > > > > take
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs,
> including
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together
> with
> > > > >
> > > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I
> think it
> > > > >
> > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the
> > >
> > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the
> > >
> > > testing?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38
> AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think
> you're
> > >
> > > a
> > > > > do'er,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your
> > >
> > > opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have
> > >
> > > spare
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 20:34,
> > > >
> > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and
> > > >
> > > > giving
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option
> *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> release
> > >
> > > 2.7
> > > > > with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > > >
> > > > > release at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> > >
> > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> 10:30
> > >
> > > AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't
> put so
> > > >
> > > > many
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and
> important as
> > > >
> > > > SG
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all
> > > >
> > > > agreed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally
> > >
> > > improve
> > > > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it
> in
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision
> of
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > current
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is
> discussed
> > > > >
> > > > > *and
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov,
> > > >
> > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on
> dev-list.
> > >
> > > This
> > > > > task
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state -
> *on my
> > > > >
> > > > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with
> this
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my
> > > >
> > > > comments
> > > > > in a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton
> > > > >
> > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any
> community
> > > > >
> > > > > member
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
> > >
> > > dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the
> review -
> > > > >
> > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two
> > > >
> > > > mutually
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in
> planned
> > > > >
> > > > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in
> release
> > > > >
> > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option
> *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should
> release
> > >
> > > 2.7
> > > > > with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > > >
> > > > > release at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> > >
> > > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we
> preparing
> > > > >
> > > > > release a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
> > >
> > > discussion
> > > > > of SG
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes
> sense
> > >
> > > for
> > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47
> > > >
> > > > +0300,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned
> > > > >
> > > > > totally. The
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some
> > > >
> > > > community
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > members
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of
> > > >
> > > > doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the
> Apache
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > community,
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just
> > > >
> > > > disagree.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean
> > > >
> > > > Nikolay
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If
> > > >
> > > > Vladimir
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers
> agree,
> > >
> > > it
> > > > > works
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > >
> > > > 19:39,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the
> > >
> > > beginning
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the
> > >
> > > release
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has
> > > >
> > > > changed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > since.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I
> have no
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > confidence
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8
> release.
> > > > >
> > > > > The 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a
> > >
> > > release
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > manager.
> > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is
> > >
> > > doing
> > > > a
> > > > > great
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he
> > >
> > > proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
> 2018 at
> > > > >
> > > > > 4:31 AM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop
> this
> > > > >
> > > > > nonsense
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you
> > > > >
> > > > > disagreed with
> > > > > > > >
>

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>]

Hello, Igniters.

Release scope is frozen.
Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in this thread.

Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760, IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch.

https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1
https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69

В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> important problem is discussed.
> 
> At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still included into
> the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
> explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI 2.6
> and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Nikolay,
> > 
> > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about Apache Way.
> > 
> > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be vetoed.
> > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 binding and
> > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
> > 
> > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and can't be
> > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should be
> > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> > understanding is not a justification.
> > 
> > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the bugs
> > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
> > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a couple of
> > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is possible to
> > find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > 
> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > 
> > > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> > > 
> > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for
> > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6
> > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought it
> > 
> > with
> > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> > > 
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > 
> > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > 
> > > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > > > 
> > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact*
> > 
> > of
> > > a
> > > > bug.
> > > > 
> > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?
> > > > 
> > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > > > 
> > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
> > > 
> > > persistence
> > > > > enabled).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure
> > 
> > it
> > > is
> > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I
> > > 
> > > will
> > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems
> > 
> > exist
> > > > and
> > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability
> > 
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > product.
> > > > > 
> > > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the
> > 
> > same
> > > > area
> > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and
> > > 
> > > research
> > > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > 
> > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the
> > > > 
> > > > impact to
> > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not
> > 
> > strive
> > > > to
> > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope,
> > > 
> > > unless
> > > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> > > 
> > > looks
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > 
> > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > :
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> > 
> > kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > > > :
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost
> > > > 
> > > > fixed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> > 
> > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my
> > 
> > absolute
> > > > best to
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think
> > > 
> > > most
> > > > of
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All
> > > > 
> > > > these
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them into
> > 
> > AI
> > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved
> > 
> > furhter.
> > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their final
> > > > 
> > > > review
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another
> > 
> > big
> > > > part
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
> > 
> > failures),
> > > > and
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+
> > > > 
> > > > support,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are
> > > > 
> > > > grouped
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week
> > > > 
> > > > should
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not
> > > > 
> > > > believe all
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only
> > > > 
> > > > "must-have"
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles
> > > 
> > > tickets
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7
> > > > 
> > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously
> > > 
> > > announces
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL
> > 
> > TASKS
> > > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
> > 
> > features.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned
> > 
> > to
> > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker
> > 
> > friendly
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura
> > 
> > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7
> > 
> > branch
> > > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
> > 
> > Kuznetsov
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker
> > > > 
> > > > termination
> > > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also,
> > 
> > we
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
> > 
> > objections?
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost
> > > > 
> > > > healthy
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters
> > 
> > to
> > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always
> > > 
> > > valid.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community
> > 
> > actions;
> > > > it is
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all
> > > 
> > > similar
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay
> > > 
> > > Izhikov
> > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir
> > > > 
> > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I
> > 
> > do
> > > > not
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope,
> > 
> > but
> > > > we are
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that
> > 
> > any
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be
> > > > 
> > > > finalized
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at
> > 
> > some
> > > > day in
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing?
> > 
> > What
> > > > about
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that
> > 
> > from
> > > > Monday
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is
> > 
> > the
> > > > sole
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep
> > > 
> > > rework
> > > > of
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our
> > 
> > effrots
> > > > will be
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's
> > 
> > time.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false
> > 
> > hope
> > > > puts us
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing.
> > > > 
> > > > Result is
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just
> > > > 
> > > > want to
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far
> > 
> > from
> > > > being
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from
> > 
> > dates
> > > to
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge
> > > 
> > > will
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM
> > > 
> > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will
> > > > 
> > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is
> > > 
> > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to
> > > 
> > > track
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features,
> > 
> > but
> > > > we
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more
> > > > 
> > > > reliable and
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM
> > > 
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG
> > > 
> > > redesign
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like
> > > 
> > > these
> > > > take
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with
> > > > 
> > > > overnight
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it
> > > > 
> > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the
> > 
> > release.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the
> > 
> > testing?
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM
> > > > 
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're
> > 
> > a
> > > > do'er,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your
> > 
> > opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have
> > 
> > spare
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34,
> > > 
> > > Denis
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and
> > > 
> > > giving
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
> > 
> > 2.7
> > > > with
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > > 
> > > > release at
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> > 
> > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30
> > 
> > AM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so
> > > 
> > > many
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as
> > > 
> > > SG
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all
> > > 
> > > agreed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally
> > 
> > improve
> > > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in
> > 
> > the
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of
> > 
> > the
> > > > current
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed
> > > > 
> > > > *and
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov,
> > > 
> > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list.
> > 
> > This
> > > > task
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my
> > > > 
> > > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my
> > > 
> > > comments
> > > > in a
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton
> > > > 
> > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community
> > > > 
> > > > member
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
> > 
> > dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review -
> > > > 
> > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two
> > > 
> > > mutually
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned
> > > > 
> > > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release
> > > > 
> > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
> > 
> > 2.7
> > > > with
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > > 
> > > > release at
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> > 
> > tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing
> > > > 
> > > > release a
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
> > 
> > discussion
> > > > of SG
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense
> > 
> > for
> > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47
> > > 
> > > +0300,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned
> > > > 
> > > > totally. The
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some
> > > 
> > > community
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > members
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of
> > > 
> > > doing.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > community,
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just
> > > 
> > > disagree.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean
> > > 
> > > Nikolay
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If
> > > 
> > > Vladimir
> > > > is
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree,
> > 
> > it
> > > > works
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 
> > > 19:39,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the
> > 
> > beginning
> > > > of
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the
> > 
> > release
> > > > because
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has
> > > 
> > > changed
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > since.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > confidence
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release.
> > > > 
> > > > The 2.7
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a
> > 
> > release
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > manager.
> > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is
> > 
> > doing
> > > a
> > > > great
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he
> > 
> > proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> > > > 
> > > > 4:31 AM
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this
> > > > 
> > > > nonsense
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you
> > > > 
> > > > disagreed with
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > include/exclude
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that
> > 
> > whole
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > >  > disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a
> > > > 
> > > > separate
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > results
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject
> > > 
> > > their
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > contribution,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > even
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait
> > 
> > for
> > > a
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > days
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > more.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some
> > 
> > reason
> > > > why
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > dates
> > > > > > > > > are so
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > fundamentally
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > > 
> > > > 12:20,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not
> > > > 
> > > > ready,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > >  > not,
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > then we
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release.
> > > 
> > > There
> > > > is no
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >  > force
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > them into
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to
> > 
> > the
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > schedule
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > agreed
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018
> > > 
> > > at
> > > > 1:22
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct
> > > > 
> > > > statement
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > >  "community
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > did
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to
> > > > 
> > > > 2.7/
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > services
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > >  > out
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > scope".
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please
> > > 
> > > forgive
> > > > me my
> > > > > > > > > > >  confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> > > 
> > > г. в
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 11:19,
> > > > > > > > > > >  Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So
> > > 
> > > correct
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > statement
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > >  “it
> > > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes
> > 
> > to
> > > > 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент.
> > 
> > 2018
> > > > г. в
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 11:11,
> > > > > > > > > > >  Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>]

Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
important problem is discussed.

At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still included into
the scope. All I want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
explaining why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between AI 2.6 and AI
2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:24 PM Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com> wrote:

> Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
> important problem is discussed.
>
> At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still included into
> the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
> explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI 2.6
> and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nikolay,
>>
>> this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about Apache Way.
>>
>> Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be vetoed.
>> Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 binding and
>> more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
>>
>> Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and can't be
>> bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should be
>> applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
>> understanding is not a justification.
>>
>> So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the bugs
>> were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
>> connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a couple of
>> fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is possible to
>> find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Dmitriy Pavlov
>>
>> ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > Vladimir, Nikolay,
>> >
>> > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for
>> > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6
>> > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought it
>> with
>> > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
>> >
>> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
>> >
>> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
>> >
>> > > Hello, Dmitriy.
>> > >
>> > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
>> > >
>> > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact*
>> of
>> > a
>> > > bug.
>> > >
>> > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
>> > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
>> > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?
>> > >
>> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
>> > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
>> > > >
>> > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
>> > persistence
>> > > > enabled).
>> > > >
>> > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure
>> it
>> > is
>> > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I
>> > will
>> > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems
>> exist
>> > > and
>> > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability
>> of
>> > > the
>> > > > product.
>> > > >
>> > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
>> > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the
>> same
>> > > area
>> > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
>> > > >
>> > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and
>> > research
>> > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
>> > > >
>> > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > > >
>> > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Andrey, Anton,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the
>> > > impact to
>> > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not
>> strive
>> > > to
>> > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope,
>> > unless
>> > > > > impact is explained.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Vladimir.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
>> > looks
>> > > > >
>> > > > > like a
>> > > > > > release blocker to me.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>> > >:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Hi Anton,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
>> kaa.dev@yandex.ru
>> > >:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
>> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost
>> > > fixed
>> > > > >
>> > > > > it.
>> > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > Best regards,
>> > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
>> dsetrakyan@apache.org
>> > >:
>> > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> > > > >
>> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my
>> absolute
>> > > best to
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > finalize
>> > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think
>> > most
>> > > of
>> > > > >
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
>> > > > >
>> > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
>> > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment.
>> All
>> > > these
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > tickets
>> > > > > > > > were
>> > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them into
>> AI
>> > > 2.7
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > scope.
>> > > > > > > I
>> > > > > > > > > >  would
>> > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved
>> furhter.
>> > > > > > > > > >  >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their final
>> > > review
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > stages
>> > > > > > > > (e.g.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another
>> big
>> > > part
>> > > > >
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
>> failures),
>> > > and
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > another
>> > > > > > > > big
>> > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+
>> > > support,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > etc.). So
>> > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets
>> are
>> > > grouped
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > around
>> > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this
>> week
>> > > should
>> > > > >
>> > > > > be
>> > > > > > > very
>> > > > > > > > > >  good.
>> > > > > > > > > >  >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >  >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not
>> > > believe all
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > these
>> > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only
>> > > "must-have"
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > tickets
>> > > > > > > > in
>> > > > > > > > > >  2.7
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles
>> > tickets
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > without
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite
>> 2.7
>> > > release.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously
>> > announces
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > features.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL
>> TASKS
>> > > FOR 2.7
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > DUE
>> > > > > > > > TO
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
>> features.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned
>> to
>> > > 2.7
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > version
>> > > > > > > > [1].
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker
>> friendly
>> > > > >
>> > > > > reminder
>> > > > > > > #1,
>> > > > > > > > *the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura
>> пишет:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7
>> branch
>> > > soon.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
>> Kuznetsov
>> > <
>> > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
>> > > > > > > > > >  > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker
>> > > termination
>> > > > > > > > > >  detection,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > and
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also,
>> we
>> > > have
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > trivial
>> > > > > > > > yet
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
>> objections?
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
>> > > > >
>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
>> > > > >
>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov
>> <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost
>> > > healthy
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > discussion
>> > > > > > > > > >  > about
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters
>> to
>> > > discuss
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > things
>> > > > > > > > > >  > before
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log
>> 'some
>> > > > >
>> > > > > pre-build
>> > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always
>> > valid.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community
>> actions;
>> > > it is
>> > > > >
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > >  principal
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all
>> > similar
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > decisions
>> > > > > > > > will
>> > > > > > > > > >  be
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay
>> > Izhikov
>> > > <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300,
>> Vladimir
>> > > Ozerov
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > пишет:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I
>> do
>> > > not
>> > > > >
>> > > > > see a
>> > > > > > > > single
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope,
>> but
>> > > we are
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > still
>> > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that
>> any
>> > > > >
>> > > > > feature
>> > > > > > > > > >  involving
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be
>> > > finalized
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > after
>> > > > > > > > > >  > initial
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at
>> some
>> > > day in
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > October
>> > > > > > > > > >  we
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > will
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing?
>> What
>> > > about
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > regressions
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > with
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that
>> from
>> > > Monday
>> > > > >
>> > > > > a
>> > > > > > > lot
>> > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is
>> the
>> > > sole
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > purpose
>> > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > that
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep
>> > rework
>> > > of
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Ignite
>> > > > > > > > > >  > internals
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our
>> effrots
>> > > will be
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > lost.
>> > > > > > > > > >  This
>> > > > > > > > > >  > is
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's
>> time.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false
>> hope
>> > > puts us
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > at
>> > > > > > > > rush.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing.
>> > > Result is
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > known -
>> > > > > > > > > >  bad
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just
>> > > want to
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > move
>> > > > > > > > it to
>> > > > > > > > > >  AI
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far
>> from
>> > > being
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ready.
>> > > > > > > > > >  This
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from
>> dates
>> > to
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > quality
>> > > > > > > > of the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge
>> > will
>> > > > >
>> > > > > defeat
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM
>> > Vyacheslav
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Daradur
>> > > > > > > <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning
>> will
>> > > not be
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > implemented
>> > > > > > > > > >  > in
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is
>> > finished.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to
>> > track
>> > > > >
>> > > > > phase 1
>> > > > > > > > scope.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features,
>> but
>> > > we
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > completely
>> > > > > > > > > >  > rework
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more
>> > > reliable and
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > we
>> > > > > > > > build
>> > > > > > > > > >  > the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM
>> > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Setrakyan <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG
>> > redesign
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > includes:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like
>> > these
>> > > take
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > about
>> > > > > > > > 1
>> > > > > > > > > >  > month
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
>> > > > >
>> > > > > redeployment
>> > > > > > > > tests
>> > > > > > > > > >  and
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with
>> > > overnight
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > runs.
>> > > > > > > > If
>> > > > > > > > > >  > this
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think
>> it
>> > > would be
>> > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the
>> release.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the
>> testing?
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM
>> > > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Pavlov <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think
>> you're a
>> > > do'er,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > but
>> > > > > > > > not a
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your
>> opinion.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have
>> spare
>> > > > >
>> > > > > cycles.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34,
>> > Denis
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Magda <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and
>> > giving
>> > > more
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > context.
>> > > > > > > > > >  In
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
>> 2.7
>> > > with
>> > > > >
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > bunch of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > new
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
>> > > release at
>> > > > >
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > end of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
>> tasks.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
>> 10:30 AM
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Nikolay
>> > > > > > > > Izhikov
>> > > > > > > > > >  <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so
>> > many
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > emotions
>> > > > > > > > in
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important
>> as
>> > SG
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > redesign.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all
>> > agreed
>> > > > >
>> > > > > about:
>> > > > > > > > Service
>> > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally
>> improve
>> > > Ignite.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in
>> the
>> > > > >
>> > > > > product.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of
>> the
>> > > current
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > task
>> > > > > > > > > >  state:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is
>> discussed
>> > > *and
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > aligned*
>> > > > > > > > > >  both:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov,
>> > Alexey
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
>> > > > > > > > > >  Anton
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list.
>> This
>> > > task
>> > > > >
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > done.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on
>> my
>> > > review*.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > contribution
>> > > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > >  gave
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my
>> > comments
>> > > in a
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > day
>> > > > > > > or
>> > > > > > > > > >  two.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton
>> > > Vinogradov
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > review
>> > > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > > >  the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community
>> > > member
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > wants
>> > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >  help
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
>> dev-list*.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review
>> -
>> > > you are
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > welcome.
>> > > > > > > > > >  PR
>> > > > > > > > > >  > is
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two
>> > mutually
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > exclusive
>> > > > > > > > > >  > options
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in
>> planned
>> > > dates.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release
>> > > scope.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
>> 2.7
>> > > with
>> > > > >
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > bunch of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > new
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
>> > > release at
>> > > > >
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > end of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
>> tasks.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing
>> > > release a
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > lot
>> > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > things
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
>> discussion
>> > > of SG
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > release
>> > > > > > > > > >  > version
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense
>> for
>> > > you?
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47
>> > +0300,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > > > Pavlov
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned
>> > > totally. The
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > thread you
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some
>> > community
>> > > > >
>> > > > > members
>> > > > > > > are
>> > > > > > > > > >  > trying
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of
>> > doing.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
>> > > > >
>> > > > > community,
>> > > > > > I
>> > > > > > > > value
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just
>> > disagree.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > There
>> > > > > > > are
>> > > > > > > > no
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean
>> > Nikolay
>> > > and
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > For
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If
>> > Vladimir
>> > > is
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ready
>> > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >  lead
>> > > > > > > > > >  > an
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree,
>> it
>> > > works
>> > > > >
>> > > > > for
>> > > > > > > me.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
>> > 19:39,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the
>> beginning
>> > > of
>> > > > >
>> > > > > this
>> > > > > > > > thread
>> > > > > > > > > >  > that
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the
>> release
>> > > because
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > community
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > still did
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has
>> > changed
>> > > > >
>> > > > > since.
>> > > > > > I
>> > > > > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > >  not
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > seen
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > any
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have
>> no
>> > > > >
>> > > > > confidence
>> > > > > > > > that
>> > > > > > > > > >  the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8
>> release.
>> > > The 2.7
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > release
>> > > > > > > > > >  > seems
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > out
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a
>> release
>> > > > >
>> > > > > manager.
>> > > > > > > We
>> > > > > > > > > >  should
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > let
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > him
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is
>> doing
>> > a
>> > > great
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > job
>> > > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > >  the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > release is
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he
>> proposed.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
>> > > 4:31 AM
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > > > > >  > Pavlov
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop
>> this
>> > > nonsense
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > > > >  > release
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you
>> > > disagreed with
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > any
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > include/exclude
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > something
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that
>> whole
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > community
>> > > > > > > > > >  > disagreed.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a
>> > > separate
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > discussion
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > with
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > results
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of the
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject
>> > their
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > contribution,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > even
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > if
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > we
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > need
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait
>> for
>> > a
>> > > > >
>> > > > > couple
>> > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > days
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > more.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some
>> reason
>> > > why
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > dates
>> > > > > > > > are so
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > fundamentally
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > important
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г.
>> в
>> > > 12:20,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Setrakyan <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not
>> > > ready,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > which
>> > > > > > > it
>> > > > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > > >  > not,
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > then we
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > should
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release.
>> > There
>> > > is no
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > need
>> > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >  > force
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > them into
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to
>> the
>> > > > >
>> > > > > schedule
>> > > > > > we
>> > > > > > > > all
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > agreed
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > on.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
>> 2018
>> > at
>> > > 1:22
>> > > > >
>> > > > > AM
>> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Pavlov
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct
>> > > statement
>> > > > >
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > > >  "community
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > did
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > not
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > make
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > any
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go
>> to
>> > > 2.7/
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > services
>> > > > > > > > are
>> > > > > > > > > >  > out
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > of
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > scope".
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please
>> > forgive
>> > > me my
>> > > > > > > > > >  confusion.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
>> > г. в
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 11:19,
>> > > > > > > > > >  Vladimir
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So
>> > correct
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > statement
>> > > > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > > >  “it
>> > > > > > > > > >  > is
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > up
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes
>> to
>> > > 2.7”.
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент.
>> 2018
>> > > г. в
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 11:11,
>> > > > > > > > > >  Dmitriy
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov <
>> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
>
>

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>]

Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
important problem is discussed.

At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still included into
the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI 2.6
and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nikolay,
>
> this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about Apache Way.
>
> Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be vetoed.
> Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 binding and
> more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
>
> Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and can't be
> bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should be
> applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> understanding is not a justification.
>
> So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the bugs
> were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
> connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a couple of
> fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is possible to
> find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> >
> > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for
> > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6
> > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought it
> with
> > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> >
> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > >
> > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact*
> of
> > a
> > > bug.
> > >
> > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?
> > >
> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > >
> > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
> > persistence
> > > > enabled).
> > > >
> > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure
> it
> > is
> > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I
> > will
> > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems
> exist
> > > and
> > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability
> of
> > > the
> > > > product.
> > > >
> > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the
> same
> > > area
> > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > >
> > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and
> > research
> > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the
> > > impact to
> > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not
> strive
> > > to
> > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > >
> > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope,
> > unless
> > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > >
> > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> > looks
> > > > >
> > > > > like a
> > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > >
> > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost
> > > fixed
> > > > >
> > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > >:
> > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > >
> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my
> absolute
> > > best to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think
> > most
> > > of
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > >
> > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All
> > > these
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them into
> AI
> > > 2.7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved
> furhter.
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their final
> > > review
> > > > > >
> > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another
> big
> > > part
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
> failures),
> > > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+
> > > support,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are
> > > grouped
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week
> > > should
> > > > >
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not
> > > believe all
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only
> > > "must-have"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles
> > tickets
> > > > > >
> > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7
> > > release.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously
> > announces
> > > > > >
> > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL
> TASKS
> > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
> features.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned
> to
> > > 2.7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker
> friendly
> > > > >
> > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura
> пишет:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7
> branch
> > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
> Kuznetsov
> > <
> > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker
> > > termination
> > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also,
> we
> > > have
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
> objections?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost
> > > healthy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters
> to
> > > discuss
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some
> > > > >
> > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always
> > valid.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community
> actions;
> > > it is
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all
> > similar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay
> > Izhikov
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir
> > > Ozerov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I
> do
> > > not
> > > > >
> > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope,
> but
> > > we are
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that
> any
> > > > >
> > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be
> > > finalized
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at
> some
> > > day in
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing?
> What
> > > about
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that
> from
> > > Monday
> > > > >
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is
> the
> > > sole
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep
> > rework
> > > of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our
> effrots
> > > will be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's
> time.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false
> hope
> > > puts us
> > > > > >
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing.
> > > Result is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just
> > > want to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far
> from
> > > being
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from
> dates
> > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge
> > will
> > > > >
> > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM
> > Vyacheslav
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will
> > > not be
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is
> > finished.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to
> > track
> > > > >
> > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features,
> but
> > > we
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more
> > > reliable and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM
> > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG
> > redesign
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like
> > these
> > > take
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
> > > > >
> > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with
> > > overnight
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it
> > > would be
> > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the
> release.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the
> testing?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're
> a
> > > do'er,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your
> opinion.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have
> spare
> > > > >
> > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34,
> > Denis
> > > > >
> > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and
> > giving
> > > more
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
> 2.7
> > > with
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > release at
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> tasks.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30
> AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so
> > many
> > > > > >
> > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as
> > SG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all
> > agreed
> > > > >
> > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally
> improve
> > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of
> the
> > > current
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed
> > > *and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov,
> > Alexey
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list.
> This
> > > task
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my
> > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> > > > > >
> > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my
> > comments
> > > in a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > day
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton
> > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community
> > > member
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
> dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review -
> > > you are
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two
> > mutually
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned
> > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release
> > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
> 2.7
> > > with
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > release at
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> tasks.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing
> > > release a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
> discussion
> > > of SG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense
> for
> > > you?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47
> > +0300,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned
> > > totally. The
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some
> > community
> > > > >
> > > > > members
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of
> > doing.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
> > > > >
> > > > > community,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just
> > disagree.
> > > > >
> > > > > There
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean
> > Nikolay
> > > and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If
> > Vladimir
> > > is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree,
> it
> > > works
> > > > >
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 19:39,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the
> beginning
> > > of
> > > > >
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the
> release
> > > because
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has
> > changed
> > > > >
> > > > > since.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no
> > > > >
> > > > > confidence
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release.
> > > The 2.7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a
> release
> > > > >
> > > > > manager.
> > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is
> doing
> > a
> > > great
> > > > > >
> > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he
> proposed.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> > > 4:31 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this
> > > nonsense
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you
> > > disagreed with
> > > > > >
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > include/exclude
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that
> whole
> > > > > >
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > >  > disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a
> > > separate
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > results
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject
> > their
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > contribution,
> > > > > > > > > >  > even
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > if
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait
> for
> > a
> > > > >
> > > > > couple
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > days
> > > > > > > > > >  > > more.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some
> reason
> > > why
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dates
> > > > > > > > are so
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > fundamentally
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 12:20,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not
> > > ready,
> > > > >
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >  > not,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > then we
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release.
> > There
> > > is no
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > force
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > them into
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > schedule
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > >  > > agreed
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018
> > at
> > > 1:22
> > > > >
> > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct
> > > statement
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >  "community
> > > > > > > > > >  > > did
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to
> > > 2.7/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > services
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > >  > out
> > > > > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > scope".
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please
> > forgive
> > > me my
> > > > > > > > > >  confusion.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> > г. в
> > > > >
> > > > > 11:19,
> > > > > > > > > >  Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So
> > correct
> > > > > >
> > > > > > statement
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >  “it
> > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > up
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes
> to
> > > 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент.
> 2018
> > > г. в
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 11:11,
> > > > > > > > > >  Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>]

Nikolay,

this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about Apache Way.

Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be vetoed.
Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 binding and
more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.

Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and can't be
bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should be
applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
understanding is not a justification.

So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the bugs
were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a couple of
fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is possible to
find out why WAL crashes and hangs.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:

> Vladimir, Nikolay,
>
> For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for
> intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6
> branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought it with
> some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
>
> ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
>
> > Hello, Dmitriy.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> >
> > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact* of
> a
> > bug.
> >
> > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?
> >
> > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > >
> > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
> persistence
> > > enabled).
> > >
> > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure it
> is
> > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I
> will
> > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems exist
> > and
> > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability of
> > the
> > > product.
> > >
> > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the same
> > area
> > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > >
> > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and
> research
> > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> > >
> > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > >
> > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the
> > impact to
> > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > >
> > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not strive
> > to
> > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > >
> > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope,
> unless
> > > > impact is explained.
> > > >
> > > > Vladimir.
> > > >
> > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> looks
> > > >
> > > > like a
> > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > >
> > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost
> > fixed
> > > >
> > > > it.
> > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <dsetrakyan@apache.org
> >:
> > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > >
> > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute
> > best to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think
> most
> > of
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > >
> > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All
> > these
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI
> > 2.7
> > > > >
> > > > > scope.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their final
> > review
> > > > >
> > > > > stages
> > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big
> > part
> > > >
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures),
> > and
> > > > >
> > > > > another
> > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+
> > support,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are
> > grouped
> > > > > >
> > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week
> > should
> > > >
> > > > be
> > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not
> > believe all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only
> > "must-have"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles
> tickets
> > > > >
> > > > > without
> > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7
> > release.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously
> announces
> > > > >
> > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS
> > FOR 2.7
> > > > >
> > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to
> > 2.7
> > > > >
> > > > > version
> > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly
> > > >
> > > > reminder
> > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch
> > soon.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov
> <
> > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker
> > termination
> > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we
> > have
> > > > > >
> > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost
> > healthy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to
> > discuss
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some
> > > >
> > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always
> valid.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions;
> > it is
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all
> similar
> > > > >
> > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay
> Izhikov
> > <
> > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir
> > Ozerov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do
> > not
> > > >
> > > > see a
> > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but
> > we are
> > > > > >
> > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any
> > > >
> > > > feature
> > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be
> > finalized
> > > > > >
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some
> > day in
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What
> > about
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from
> > Monday
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the
> > sole
> > > > > >
> > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep
> rework
> > of
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots
> > will be
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope
> > puts us
> > > > >
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing.
> > Result is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just
> > want to
> > > > >
> > > > > move
> > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from
> > being
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates
> to
> > > > >
> > > > > quality
> > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge
> will
> > > >
> > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM
> Vyacheslav
> > > > >
> > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will
> > not be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is
> finished.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to
> track
> > > >
> > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but
> > we
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more
> > reliable and
> > > > >
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM
> Dmitriy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG
> redesign
> > > > > >
> > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like
> these
> > take
> > > > > >
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
> > > >
> > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with
> > overnight
> > > > > >
> > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it
> > would be
> > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM
> > Dmitriy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a
> > do'er,
> > > > >
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare
> > > >
> > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34,
> Denis
> > > >
> > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and
> giving
> > more
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7
> > with
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > release at
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM
> > > >
> > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so
> many
> > > > >
> > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as
> SG
> > > > >
> > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all
> agreed
> > > >
> > > > about:
> > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve
> > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the
> > > >
> > > > product.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the
> > current
> > > > > >
> > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed
> > *and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov,
> Alexey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This
> > task
> > > >
> > > > is
> > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my
> > review*.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> > > > >
> > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my
> comments
> > in a
> > > > >
> > > > > day
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton
> > Vinogradov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > review
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community
> > member
> > > > >
> > > > > wants
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review -
> > you are
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two
> mutually
> > > > > >
> > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned
> > dates.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release
> > scope.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7
> > with
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > release at
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing
> > release a
> > > > >
> > > > > lot
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion
> > of SG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for
> > you?
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47
> +0300,
> > > >
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned
> > totally. The
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some
> community
> > > >
> > > > members
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of
> doing.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
> > > >
> > > > community,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just
> disagree.
> > > >
> > > > There
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean
> Nikolay
> > and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If
> Vladimir
> > is
> > > > >
> > > > > ready
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it
> > works
> > > >
> > > > for
> > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 19:39,
> > > >
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning
> > of
> > > >
> > > > this
> > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release
> > because
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has
> changed
> > > >
> > > > since.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no
> > > >
> > > > confidence
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release.
> > The 2.7
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release
> > > >
> > > > manager.
> > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing
> a
> > great
> > > > >
> > > > > job
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> > 4:31 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this
> > nonsense
> > > > > >
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you
> > disagreed with
> > > > >
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > include/exclude
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole
> > > > >
> > > > > community
> > > > > > > > >  > disagreed.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a
> > separate
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > results
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject
> their
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > contribution,
> > > > > > > > >  > even
> > > > > > > > >  > > > if
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > we
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for
> a
> > > >
> > > > couple
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > days
> > > > > > > > >  > > more.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason
> > why
> > > > >
> > > > > dates
> > > > > > > are so
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > fundamentally
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 12:20,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >  > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not
> > ready,
> > > >
> > > > which
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > >  > not,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > then we
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release.
> There
> > is no
> > > > > >
> > > > > > need
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >  > force
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > them into
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the
> > > >
> > > > schedule
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > >  > > agreed
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018
> at
> > 1:22
> > > >
> > > > AM
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >  > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct
> > statement
> > > >
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > >  "community
> > > > > > > > >  > > did
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > not
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to
> > 2.7/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > services
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > >  > out
> > > > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > scope".
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please
> forgive
> > me my
> > > > > > > > >  confusion.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> г. в
> > > >
> > > > 11:19,
> > > > > > > > >  Vladimir
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So
> correct
> > > > >
> > > > > statement
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > >  “it
> > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > >  > > > up
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to
> > 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> > г. в
> > > > >
> > > > > 11:11,
> > > > > > > > >  Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to
> > the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > community to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > after
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент.
> 2018
> > г. в
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 11:09,
> > > > > > > > >  > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read
> your
> > words
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > correctly
> > > > > > > > >  > > that
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > it is up
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to
> > decide
> > > > >
> > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > >  release
> > > > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > all
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент.
> > 2018 г.
> > > >
> > > > в
> > > > > > > 11:00,
> > > > > > > > >  > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>]

Vladimir, Nikolay,

For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for
intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6
branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought it with
some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776

ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:

> Hello, Dmitriy.
>
> I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
>
> Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact* of a
> bug.
>
> Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> Is it Apache Way to do so?
> What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?
>
> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> >
> > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if persistence
> > enabled).
> >
> > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure it is
> > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I will
> > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems exist
> and
> > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability of
> the
> > product.
> >
> > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the same
> area
> > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> >
> > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and research
> > these failures in master (with no rush).
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> >
> > > Andrey, Anton,
> > >
> > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the
> impact to
> > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > >
> > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not strive
> to
> > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > >
> > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope, unless
> > > impact is explained.
> > >
> > > Vladimir.
> > >
> > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It looks
> > >
> > > like a
> > > > release blocker to me.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > >
> > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > >
> > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <ka...@yandex.ru>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost
> fixed
> > >
> > > it.
> > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <ds...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >
> > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute
> best to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most
> of
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > >
> > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All
> these
> > > > >
> > > > > tickets
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI
> 2.7
> > > >
> > > > scope.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their final
> review
> > > >
> > > > stages
> > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big
> part
> > >
> > > is
> > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures),
> and
> > > >
> > > > another
> > > > > > big
> > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+
> support,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are
> grouped
> > > > >
> > > > > around
> > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week
> should
> > >
> > > be
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not
> believe all
> > > > >
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only
> "must-have"
> > > > >
> > > > > tickets
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets
> > > >
> > > > without
> > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7
> release.
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces
> > > >
> > > > features.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS
> FOR 2.7
> > > >
> > > > DUE
> > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to
> 2.7
> > > >
> > > > version
> > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly
> > >
> > > reminder
> > > > > #1,
> > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch
> soon.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker
> termination
> > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we
> have
> > > > >
> > > > > trivial
> > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > >
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > >
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost
> healthy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to
> discuss
> > > > > >
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some
> > >
> > > pre-build
> > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions;
> it is
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar
> > > >
> > > > decisions
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov
> <
> > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir
> Ozerov
> > > > >
> > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do
> not
> > >
> > > see a
> > > > > > single
> > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but
> we are
> > > > >
> > > > > still
> > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any
> > >
> > > feature
> > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be
> finalized
> > > > >
> > > > > after
> > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some
> day in
> > > > > >
> > > > > > October
> > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What
> about
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from
> Monday
> > >
> > > a
> > > > > lot
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the
> sole
> > > > >
> > > > > purpose
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework
> of
> > > >
> > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots
> will be
> > > > >
> > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope
> puts us
> > > >
> > > > at
> > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing.
> Result is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just
> want to
> > > >
> > > > move
> > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from
> being
> > > > >
> > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to
> > > >
> > > > quality
> > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will
> > >
> > > defeat
> > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav
> > > >
> > > > Daradur
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will
> not be
> > > > > >
> > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track
> > >
> > > phase 1
> > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but
> we
> > > > > >
> > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more
> reliable and
> > > >
> > > > we
> > > > > > build
> > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy
> > > > >
> > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign
> > > > >
> > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these
> take
> > > > >
> > > > > about
> > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
> > >
> > > redeployment
> > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with
> overnight
> > > > >
> > > > > runs.
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it
> would be
> > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM
> Dmitriy
> > > > >
> > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a
> do'er,
> > > >
> > > > but
> > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare
> > >
> > > cycles.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis
> > >
> > > Magda <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving
> more
> > > > > >
> > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7
> with
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> release at
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM
> > >
> > > Nikolay
> > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many
> > > >
> > > > emotions
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG
> > > >
> > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed
> > >
> > > about:
> > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve
> Ignite.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the
> > >
> > > product.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the
> current
> > > > >
> > > > > task
> > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed
> *and
> > > > >
> > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey
> > > > >
> > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This
> task
> > >
> > > is
> > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my
> review*.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> > > >
> > > > contribution
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments
> in a
> > > >
> > > > day
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton
> Vinogradov
> > > > >
> > > > > review
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community
> member
> > > >
> > > > wants
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review -
> you are
> > > > > >
> > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually
> > > > >
> > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned
> dates.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release
> scope.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7
> with
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> release at
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing
> release a
> > > >
> > > > lot
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion
> of SG
> > > > >
> > > > > release
> > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for
> you?
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300,
> > >
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned
> totally. The
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community
> > >
> > > members
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
> > >
> > > community,
> > > > I
> > > > > > value
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree.
> > >
> > > There
> > > > > are
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay
> and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir
> is
> > > >
> > > > ready
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it
> works
> > >
> > > for
> > > > > me.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39,
> > >
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning
> of
> > >
> > > this
> > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release
> because
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed
> > >
> > > since.
> > > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no
> > >
> > > confidence
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release.
> The 2.7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > release
> > > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release
> > >
> > > manager.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a
> great
> > > >
> > > > job
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> 4:31 AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this
> nonsense
> > > > >
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you
> disagreed with
> > > >
> > > > any
> > > > > > > >  > > > > include/exclude
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole
> > > >
> > > > community
> > > > > > > >  > disagreed.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a
> separate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > >  > > > > results
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their
> > > > > >
> > > > > > contribution,
> > > > > > > >  > even
> > > > > > > >  > > > if
> > > > > > > >  > > > > we
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a
> > >
> > > couple
> > > > of
> > > > > > days
> > > > > > > >  > > more.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason
> why
> > > >
> > > > dates
> > > > > > are so
> > > > > > > >  > > > > fundamentally
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 12:20,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > >  > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not
> ready,
> > >
> > > which
> > > > > it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > >  > not,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > then we
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There
> is no
> > > > >
> > > > > need
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  > force
> > > > > > > >  > > > > them into
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the
> > >
> > > schedule
> > > > we
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > >  > > agreed
> > > > > > > >  > > > > on.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> 1:22
> > >
> > > AM
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > >  > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > >  > > > > <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct
> statement
> > >
> > > is
> > > > > > > >  "community
> > > > > > > >  > > did
> > > > > > > >  > > > > not
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to
> 2.7/
> > > > >
> > > > > services
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > >  > out
> > > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > > >  > > > > scope".
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive
> me my
> > > > > > > >  confusion.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > >
> > > 11:19,
> > > > > > > >  Vladimir
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct
> > > >
> > > > statement
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > >  “it
> > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > >  > > > up
> > > > > > > >  > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to
> 2.7”.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> г. в
> > > >
> > > > 11:11,
> > > > > > > >  Dmitriy
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to
> the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > community to
> > > > > > > >  > > > discuss
> > > > > > > >  > > > > after
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> г. в
> > > > >
> > > > > 11:09,
> > > > > > > >  > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your
> words
> > > > > >
> > > > > > correctly
> > > > > > > >  > > that
> > > > > > > >  > > > > it is up
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to
> decide
> > > >
> > > > whether
> > > > > > > >  release
> > > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > > >  > > > > all
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент.
> 2018 г.
> > >
> > > в
> > > > > > 11:00,
> > > > > > > >  > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we
> can
> > >
> > > wait
> > > > a
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > >  for
> > > > > > > >  > > > > services
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are
> > >
> > > open-minded
> > > > > and
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > >  > > don't
> > > > > > > >  > > > > have
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and
> services it
> > >
> > > is
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > >  some
> > > > > > > >  > > new
> > > > > > > >  > > > > feature,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is
> a
> > >
> > > well
> > > > > > known
> > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > feature.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vyacheslav,
> > > > > > > >  > Anton
> > > > > > > >  > > > and
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can
> be
> > > > > >
> > > > > > services are
> > > > > > > >  > not
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to
> master
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >  2.7.
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент.
> 2018
> > >
> > > г.
> > > > в
> > > > > > 10:46,
> > > > > > > >  > > > > Vladimir
>


-- 
Best regards,
  Andrey Kuznetsov.

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>]

Hello, Dmitriy.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.

Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact* of a bug.

Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
Is it Apache Way to do so?
What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?

В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> 
> NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if persistence
> enabled).
> 
> I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure it is
> too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I will
> definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems exist and
> were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability of the
> product.
> 
> We should ask and answer other questions:
> 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the same area
> 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> 
> Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and research
> these failures in master (with no rush).
> 
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
> 
> вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> 
> > Andrey, Anton,
> > 
> > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the impact to
> > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > 
> > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not strive to
> > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > 
> > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope, unless
> > impact is explained.
> > 
> > Vladimir.
> > 
> > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
> > 
> > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It looks
> > 
> > like a
> > > release blocker to me.
> > > 
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > 
> > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:
> > > 
> > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > 
> > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > 
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > 
> > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <ka...@yandex.ru>:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost fixed
> > 
> > it.
> > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <ds...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > 
> > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to
> > > > > 
> > > > > finalize
> > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of
> > 
> > the
> > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > 
> > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > :
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these
> > > > 
> > > > tickets
> > > > > were
> > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7
> > > 
> > > scope.
> > > > I
> > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their final review
> > > 
> > > stages
> > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part
> > 
> > is
> > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and
> > > 
> > > another
> > > > > big
> > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support,
> > > > > 
> > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped
> > > > 
> > > > around
> > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should
> > 
> > be
> > > > very
> > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > 
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all
> > > > 
> > > > these
> > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have"
> > > > 
> > > > tickets
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > 
> > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets
> > > 
> > > without
> > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > 
> > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces
> > > 
> > > features.
> > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7
> > > 
> > > DUE
> > > > > TO
> > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7
> > > 
> > > version
> > > > > [1].
> > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly
> > 
> > reminder
> > > > #1,
> > > > > *the
> > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
> > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have
> > > > 
> > > > trivial
> > > > > yet
> > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy
> > > > > 
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss
> > > > > 
> > > > > things
> > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some
> > 
> > pre-build
> > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is
> > 
> > the
> > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar
> > > 
> > > decisions
> > > > > will
> > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > 
> > > > пишет:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not
> > 
> > see a
> > > > > single
> > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are
> > > > 
> > > > still
> > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any
> > 
> > feature
> > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized
> > > > 
> > > > after
> > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in
> > > > > 
> > > > > October
> > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about
> > > > > 
> > > > > regressions
> > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday
> > 
> > a
> > > > lot
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole
> > > > 
> > > > purpose
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of
> > > 
> > > Ignite
> > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be
> > > > 
> > > > lost.
> > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us
> > > 
> > > at
> > > > > rush.
> > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is
> > > > > 
> > > > > known -
> > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to
> > > 
> > > move
> > > > > it to
> > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being
> > > > 
> > > > ready.
> > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to
> > > 
> > > quality
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will
> > 
> > defeat
> > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav
> > > 
> > > Daradur
> > > > <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be
> > > > > 
> > > > > implemented
> > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track
> > 
> > phase 1
> > > > > scope.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we
> > > > > 
> > > > > completely
> > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and
> > > 
> > > we
> > > > > build
> > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy
> > > > 
> > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign
> > > > 
> > > > includes:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take
> > > > 
> > > > about
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
> > 
> > redeployment
> > > > > tests
> > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight
> > > > 
> > > > runs.
> > > > > If
> > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy
> > > > 
> > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er,
> > > 
> > > but
> > > > > not a
> > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare
> > 
> > cycles.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis
> > 
> > Magda <
> > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more
> > > > > 
> > > > > context.
> > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with
> > 
> > the
> > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at
> > 
> > the
> > > > > end of
> > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM
> > 
> > Nikolay
> > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many
> > > 
> > > emotions
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG
> > > 
> > > redesign.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed
> > 
> > about:
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the
> > 
> > product.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current
> > > > 
> > > > task
> > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and
> > > > 
> > > > aligned*
> > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey
> > > > 
> > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task
> > 
> > is
> > > > > done.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> > > 
> > > contribution
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a
> > > 
> > > day
> > > > or
> > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov
> > > > 
> > > > review
> > > > > on
> > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member
> > > 
> > > wants
> > > > to
> > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are
> > > > > 
> > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually
> > > > 
> > > > exclusive
> > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with
> > 
> > the
> > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at
> > 
> > the
> > > > > end of
> > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a
> > > 
> > > lot
> > > > of
> > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG
> > > > 
> > > > release
> > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300,
> > 
> > Dmitriy
> > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The
> > > > > 
> > > > > thread you
> > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community
> > 
> > members
> > > > are
> > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
> > 
> > community,
> > > I
> > > > > value
> > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree.
> > 
> > There
> > > > are
> > > > > no
> > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and
> > > > > 
> > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is
> > > 
> > > ready
> > > > to
> > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works
> > 
> > for
> > > > me.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39,
> > 
> > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of
> > 
> > this
> > > > > thread
> > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because
> > > 
> > > the
> > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed
> > 
> > since.
> > > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no
> > 
> > confidence
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7
> > > > > 
> > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release
> > 
> > manager.
> > > > We
> > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great
> > > 
> > > job
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM
> > > > 
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense
> > > > 
> > > > with
> > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with
> > > 
> > > any
> > > > > > >  > > > > include/exclude
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole
> > > 
> > > community
> > > > > > >  > disagreed.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate
> > > > > 
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > >  > > > > results
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their
> > > > > 
> > > > > contribution,
> > > > > > >  > even
> > > > > > >  > > > if
> > > > > > >  > > > > we
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a
> > 
> > couple
> > > of
> > > > > days
> > > > > > >  > > more.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why
> > > 
> > > dates
> > > > > are so
> > > > > > >  > > > > fundamentally
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20,
> > > > 
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready,
> > 
> > which
> > > > it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > >  > not,
> > > > > > >  > > > > then we
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no
> > > > 
> > > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > force
> > > > > > >  > > > > them into
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the
> > 
> > schedule
> > > we
> > > > > all
> > > > > > >  > > agreed
> > > > > > >  > > > > on.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22
> > 
> > AM
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement
> > 
> > is
> > > > > > >  "community
> > > > > > >  > > did
> > > > > > >  > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/
> > > > 
> > > > services
> > > > > are
> > > > > > >  > out
> > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > scope".
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
> > > > > > >  confusion.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 
> > 11:19,
> > > > > > >  Vladimir
> > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct
> > > 
> > > statement
> > > > > is
> > > > > > >  “it
> > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > >  > > > up
> > > > > > >  > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 
> > > 11:11,
> > > > > > >  Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the
> > > > > 
> > > > > community to
> > > > > > >  > > > discuss
> > > > > > >  > > > > after
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > > 
> > > > 11:09,
> > > > > > >  > > Vladimir
> > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words
> > > > > 
> > > > > correctly
> > > > > > >  > > that
> > > > > > >  > > > > it is up
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide
> > > 
> > > whether
> > > > > > >  release
> > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > all
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г.
> > 
> > в
> > > > > 11:00,
> > > > > > >  > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can
> > 
> > wait
> > > a
> > > > > bit
> > > > > > >  for
> > > > > > >  > > > > services
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are
> > 
> > open-minded
> > > > and
> > > > > we
> > > > > > >  > > don't
> > > > > > >  > > > > have
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it
> > 
> > is
> > > > not
> > > > > > >  some
> > > > > > >  > > new
> > > > > > >  > > > > feature,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a
> > 
> > well
> > > > > known
> > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > feature.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to
> > > > > 
> > > > > Vyacheslav,
> > > > > > >  > Anton
> > > > > > >  > > > and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be
> > > > > 
> > > > > services are
> > > > > > >  > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master
> > > 
> > > and
> > > > to
> > > > > > >  2.7.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> > 
> > г.
> > > в
> > > > > 10:46,
> > > > > > >  > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community
> > 
> > agreement
> > > > > was to
> > > > > > >  > > > perform
> > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for
> > > > > 
> > > > > services.
> > > > > > >  Then
> > > > > > >  > > we
> > > > > > >  > > > > wait a
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > bit for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time,
> > 
> > then
> > > > > again
> > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > >  > > > > again, and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are
> > > 
> > > waiting
> > > > > for
> > > > > > >  new
> > > > > > >  > > > > features to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > come,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by
> > > > > 
> > > > > anyone.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we
> > 
> > have
> > > > an
> > > > > > >  > > agreement
> > > > > > >  > > > > that if
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > feature is
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future
> > > > > 
> > > > > release,
> > > > > > >  > > instead
> > > > > > >  > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > shifting
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates
> > > > 
> > > > when
> > > > > > >  > > decisions
> > > > > > >  > > > > are made
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to let
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
> > > 
> > > 2018
> > > > at
> > > > > > >  2:22
> > > > > > >  > AM
> > > > > > >  > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm
> > 
> > not
> > > > > > >  > searching
> > > > > > >  > > > for
> > > > > > >  > > > > enemy,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about
> > 
> > cases
> > > > > when we
> > > > > > >  > are
> > > > > > >  > > > > hurrying.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix
> > > 
> > > test,
> > > > > fill
> > > > > > >  > > ticket
> > > > > > >  > > > > details,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their
> > > 
> > > tasks.
> > > > > It
> > > > > > >  is
> > > > > > >  > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > best
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>]

Hi Igniters, Vladimir,

NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if persistence
enabled).

I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure it is
too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I will
definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems exist and
were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability of the
product.

We should ask and answer other questions:
1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the same area
2) and why we signed-off commit(s).

Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and research
these failures in master (with no rush).

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:

> Andrey, Anton,
>
> How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the impact to
> users and in what circumstances users can met them?
>
> Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not strive to
> include them all, because bug != blocker.
>
> So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope, unless
> impact is explained.
>
> Vladimir.
>
> вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:
>
> > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It looks
> like a
> > release blocker to me.
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> >
> > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Hi Anton,
> > >
> > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <ka...@yandex.ru>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > >
> > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost fixed
> it.
> > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <ds...@apache.org>:
> > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to
> > > > finalize
> > > > >>  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of
> the
> > > > >>  contributors doing the same.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these
> > > tickets
> > > > were
> > > > >>  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7
> > scope.
> > > I
> > > > >>  would
> > > > >>  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  > Third of current tickets are features on their final review
> > stages
> > > > (e.g.
> > > > >>  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part
> is
> > > > >>  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and
> > another
> > > > big
> > > > >>  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support,
> > > > etc.). So
> > > > >>  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped
> > > around
> > > > >>  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should
> be
> > > very
> > > > >>  good.
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > >>  > wrote:
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all
> > > these
> > > > >>  > tickets
> > > > >>  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have"
> > > tickets
> > > > in
> > > > >>  2.7
> > > > >>  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  > > D.
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > >>  > > wrote:
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  > > > Igniters,
> > > > >>  > > >
> > > > >>  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets
> > without
> > > > >>  > > components:
> > > > >>  > > >
> > > > >>  > > >
> > > > >>  > > >
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > >>  > > >
> > > > >>  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > >>  > > > wrote:
> > > > >>  > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > It means:
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > >>  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces
> > features.
> > > > >>  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7
> > DUE
> > > > TO
> > > > >>  > > OCTOBER
> > > > >>  > > > > 10*.
> > > > >>  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7
> > version
> > > > [1].
> > > > >>  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly
> reminder
> > > #1,
> > > > *the
> > > > >>  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > [1]
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > >
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > > >>  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > >>  > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > > > >>  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > > >>  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > >>  > >
> > > > >>  > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
> > > > >>  detection,
> > > > >>  > > and
> > > > >>  > > > > I'm
> > > > >>  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have
> > > trivial
> > > > yet
> > > > >>  > > > > important
> > > > >>  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > [1]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > >>  > > > > > > [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > >>  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > >>  > > >:
> > > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy
> > > > discussion
> > > > >>  > about
> > > > >>  > > > SG
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss
> > > > things
> > > > >>  > before
> > > > >>  > > > > agreement
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some
> pre-build
> > > > >>  > agreements'
> > > > >>  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is
> the
> > > > >>  principal
> > > > >>  > > > > place where
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar
> > decisions
> > > > will
> > > > >>  be
> > > > >>  > > > > building on
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > >>  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > >>  > > > >:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov
> > > пишет:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not
> see a
> > > > single
> > > > >>  > > chance
> > > > >>  > > > > for
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are
> > > still
> > > > >>  > keeping
> > > > >>  > > > hope
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any
> feature
> > > > >>  involving
> > > > >>  > > > > consensus
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized
> > > after
> > > > >>  > initial
> > > > >>  > > > > public
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in
> > > > October
> > > > >>  we
> > > > >>  > > will
> > > > >>  > > > > see it
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about
> > > > regressions
> > > > >>  > > with
> > > > >>  > > > > other
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday
> a
> > > lot
> > > > of
> > > > >>  > > efforts
> > > > >>  > > > > will be
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole
> > > purpose
> > > > of
> > > > >>  > that
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of
> > Ignite
> > > > >>  > internals
> > > > >>  > > > in
> > > > >>  > > > > the
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be
> > > lost.
> > > > >>  This
> > > > >>  > is
> > > > >>  > > > > simply a
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us
> > at
> > > > rush.
> > > > >>  > Rush
> > > > >>  > > > > during
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is
> > > > known -
> > > > >>  bad
> > > > >>  > > > > features,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to
> > move
> > > > it to
> > > > >>  AI
> > > > >>  > > 2.8
> > > > >>  > > > > right
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being
> > > ready.
> > > > >>  This
> > > > >>  > > > simple
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > action
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to
> > quality
> > > > of the
> > > > >>  > > > > product, and
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will
> defeat
> > > > >>  > > stabilization
> > > > >>  > > > > effrots
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav
> > Daradur
> > > <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be
> > > > implemented
> > > > >>  > in
> > > > >>  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track
> phase 1
> > > > scope.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we
> > > > completely
> > > > >>  > rework
> > > > >>  > > > > component
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and
> > we
> > > > build
> > > > >>  > the
> > > > >>  > > > > base for
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy
> > > Setrakyan <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign
> > > includes:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take
> > > about
> > > > 1
> > > > >>  > month
> > > > >>  > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > test
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
> redeployment
> > > > tests
> > > > >>  and
> > > > >>  > > > > restart
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight
> > > runs.
> > > > If
> > > > >>  > this
> > > > >>  > > > > type of
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> > > > >>  > unreasonable
> > > > >>  > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > expect
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy
> > > Pavlov <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er,
> > but
> > > > not a
> > > > >>  > > > > commenter,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > like
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare
> cycles.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis
> Magda <
> > > > >>  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more
> > > > context.
> > > > >>  In
> > > > >>  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with
> the
> > > > bunch of
> > > > >>  > new
> > > > >>  > > > > cool
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at
> the
> > > > end of
> > > > >>  > the
> > > > >>  > > > > year with
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM
> Nikolay
> > > > Izhikov
> > > > >>  <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many
> > emotions
> > > > in
> > > > >>  > > > > discussion of
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > any
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG
> > redesign.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed
> about:
> > > > Service
> > > > >>  > Grid
> > > > >>  > > > > redesign
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > a
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the
> product.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current
> > > task
> > > > >>  state:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and
> > > aligned*
> > > > >>  both:
> > > > >>  > > > > privately
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > with
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey
> > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > >>  Anton
> > > > >>  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task
> is
> > > > done.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> > contribution
> > > > and
> > > > >>  gave
> > > > >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > a
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a
> > day
> > > or
> > > > >>  two.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov
> > > review
> > > > on
> > > > >>  the
> > > > >>  > > > > beginning
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > of
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member
> > wants
> > > to
> > > > >>  help
> > > > >>  > > *by
> > > > >>  > > > > doing
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are
> > > > welcome.
> > > > >>  PR
> > > > >>  > is
> > > > >>  > > > > here [1]
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually
> > > exclusive
> > > > >>  > options
> > > > >>  > > > > regarding
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > of
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with
> the
> > > > bunch of
> > > > >>  > new
> > > > >>  > > > > cool
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at
> the
> > > > end of
> > > > >>  > the
> > > > >>  > > > > year with
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a
> > lot
> > > of
> > > > >>  > things
> > > > >>  > > > can
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG
> > > release
> > > > >>  > version
> > > > >>  > > > > *when it
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300,
> Dmitriy
> > > > Pavlov
> > > > >>  > > пишет:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The
> > > > thread you
> > > > >>  > > > > mention was
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > not
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community
> members
> > > are
> > > > >>  > trying
> > > > >>  > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > take
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
> community,
> > I
> > > > value
> > > > >>  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree.
> There
> > > are
> > > > no
> > > > >>  > > leaders
> > > > >>  > > > > in open
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and
> > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > >>  > For
> > > > >>  > > > > me, their
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is
> > ready
> > > to
> > > > >>  lead
> > > > >>  > an
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works
> for
> > > me.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39,
> Dmitriy
> > > > >>  > Setrakyan <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of
> this
> > > > thread
> > > > >>  > that
> > > > >>  > > > > Service
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because
> > the
> > > > >>  > community
> > > > >>  > > > > still did
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed
> since.
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > >>  not
> > > > >>  > > > seen
> > > > >>  > > > > any
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no
> confidence
> > > > that
> > > > >>  the
> > > > >>  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7
> > > > release
> > > > >>  > seems
> > > > >>  > > > out
> > > > >>  > > > > of
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release
> manager.
> > > We
> > > > >>  should
> > > > >>  > > let
> > > > >>  > > > > him
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great
> > job
> > > > and
> > > > >>  the
> > > > >>  > > > > release is
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > >>  > Pavlov
> > > > >>  > > <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense
> > > with
> > > > >>  > release
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with
> > any
> > > > >>  > > > > include/exclude
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > something
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole
> > community
> > > > >>  > disagreed.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate
> > > > discussion
> > > > >>  > > with
> > > > >>  > > > > results
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their
> > > > contribution,
> > > > >>  > even
> > > > >>  > > > if
> > > > >>  > > > > we
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > need
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a
> couple
> > of
> > > > days
> > > > >>  > > more.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why
> > dates
> > > > are so
> > > > >>  > > > > fundamentally
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20,
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > >>  > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready,
> which
> > > it
> > > > is
> > > > >>  > not,
> > > > >>  > > > > then we
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > should
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no
> > > need
> > > > to
> > > > >>  > force
> > > > >>  > > > > them into
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the
> schedule
> > we
> > > > all
> > > > >>  > > agreed
> > > > >>  > > > > on.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22
> AM
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > >>  > > > Pavlov
> > > > >>  > > > > <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement
> is
> > > > >>  "community
> > > > >>  > > did
> > > > >>  > > > > not
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > make
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > any
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/
> > > services
> > > > are
> > > > >>  > out
> > > > >>  > > of
> > > > >>  > > > > scope".
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
> > > > >>  confusion.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 11:19,
> > > > >>  Vladimir
> > > > >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct
> > statement
> > > > is
> > > > >>  “it
> > > > >>  > is
> > > > >>  > > > up
> > > > >>  > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 11:11,
> > > > >>  Dmitriy
> > > > >>  > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the
> > > > community to
> > > > >>  > > > discuss
> > > > >>  > > > > after
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > their
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 11:09,
> > > > >>  > > Vladimir
> > > > >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words
> > > > correctly
> > > > >>  > > that
> > > > >>  > > > > it is up
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide
> > whether
> > > > >>  release
> > > > >>  > > of
> > > > >>  > > > > all
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > other
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г.
> в
> > > > 11:00,
> > > > >>  > > Dmitriy
> > > > >>  > > > > Pavlov
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can
> wait
> > a
> > > > bit
> > > > >>  for
> > > > >>  > > > > services
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > because
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are
> open-minded
> > > and
> > > > we
> > > > >>  > > don't
> > > > >>  > > > > have
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it
> is
> > > not
> > > > >>  some
> > > > >>  > > new
> > > > >>  > > > > feature,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a
> well
> > > > known
> > > > >>  and
> > > > >>  > > > > important
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > feature.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to
> > > > Vyacheslav,
> > > > >>  > Anton
> > > > >>  > > > and
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be
> > > > services are
> > > > >>  > not
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master
> > and
> > > to
> > > > >>  2.7.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> г.
> > в
> > > > 10:46,
> > > > >>  > > > > Vladimir
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community
> agreement
> > > > was to
> > > > >>  > > > perform
> > > > >>  > > > > the
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > release
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for
> > > > services.
> > > > >>  Then
> > > > >>  > > we
> > > > >>  > > > > wait a
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > bit for
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time,
> then
> > > > again
> > > > >>  and
> > > > >>  > > > > again, and
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > release
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are
> > waiting
> > > > for
> > > > >>  new
> > > > >>  > > > > features to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > come,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by
> > > > anyone.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we
> have
> > > an
> > > > >>  > > agreement
> > > > >>  > > > > that if
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > feature is
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future
> > > > release,
> > > > >>  > > instead
> > > > >>  > > > of
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > shifting
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates
> > > when
> > > > >>  > > decisions
> > > > >>  > > > > are made
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > is
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > to let
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
> > 2018
> > > at
> > > > >>  2:22
> > > > >>  > AM
> > > > >>  > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm
> not
> > > > >>  > searching
> > > > >>  > > > for
> > > > >>  > > > > enemy,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > and
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about
> cases
> > > > when we
> > > > >>  > are
> > > > >>  > > > > hurrying.
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix
> > test,
> > > > fill
> > > > >>  > > ticket
> > > > >>  > > > > details,
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > can't
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their
> > tasks.
> > > > It
> > > > >>  is
> > > > >>  > > not
> > > > >>  > > > > best
> > > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > idea
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>]

Andrey, Anton,

How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the impact to
users and in what circumstances users can met them?

Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not strive to
include them all, because bug != blocker.

So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope, unless
impact is explained.

Vladimir.

вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>:

> I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It looks like a
> release blocker to me.
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
>
> вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi Anton,
> >
> >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <ka...@yandex.ru>:
> >
> > > Hi Igniters.
> > >
> > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost fixed it.
> > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > >
> > >
> > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <ds...@apache.org>:
> > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to
> > > finalize
> > > >>  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of the
> > > >>  contributors doing the same.
> > > >>
> > > >>  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com
> >:
> > > >>
> > > >>  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these
> > tickets
> > > were
> > > >>  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7
> scope.
> > I
> > > >>  would
> > > >>  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> > > >>  >
> > > >>  > Third of current tickets are features on their final review
> stages
> > > (e.g.
> > > >>  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is
> > > >>  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and
> another
> > > big
> > > >>  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support,
> > > etc.). So
> > > >>  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped
> > around
> > > >>  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be
> > very
> > > >>  good.
> > > >>  >
> > > >>  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > >>  > wrote:
> > > >>  >
> > > >>  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all
> > these
> > > >>  > tickets
> > > >>  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have"
> > tickets
> > > in
> > > >>  2.7
> > > >>  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  > > D.
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > >>  > > wrote:
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  > > > Igniters,
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets
> without
> > > >>  > > components:
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > >>  > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > It means:
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > >>  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces
> features.
> > > >>  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7
> DUE
> > > TO
> > > >>  > > OCTOBER
> > > >>  > > > > 10*.
> > > >>  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7
> version
> > > [1].
> > > >>  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder
> > #1,
> > > *the
> > > >>  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > [1]
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > >>  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > >>  > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > > >>  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > >>  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
> > > >>  detection,
> > > >>  > > and
> > > >>  > > > > I'm
> > > >>  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have
> > trivial
> > > yet
> > > >>  > > > > important
> > > >>  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > >>  > > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > >>  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >>  > > >:
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy
> > > discussion
> > > >>  > about
> > > >>  > > > SG
> > > >>  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss
> > > things
> > > >>  > before
> > > >>  > > > > agreement
> > > >>  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build
> > > >>  > agreements'
> > > >>  > > > > here. BTW
> > > >>  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the
> > > >>  principal
> > > >>  > > > > place where
> > > >>  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar
> decisions
> > > will
> > > >>  be
> > > >>  > > > > building on
> > > >>  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > >>  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > >>  > > > >:
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov
> > пишет:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a
> > > single
> > > >>  > > chance
> > > >>  > > > > for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are
> > still
> > > >>  > keeping
> > > >>  > > > hope
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature
> > > >>  involving
> > > >>  > > > > consensus
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized
> > after
> > > >>  > initial
> > > >>  > > > > public
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in
> > > October
> > > >>  we
> > > >>  > > will
> > > >>  > > > > see it
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about
> > > regressions
> > > >>  > > with
> > > >>  > > > > other
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a
> > lot
> > > of
> > > >>  > > efforts
> > > >>  > > > > will be
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > put
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole
> > purpose
> > > of
> > > >>  > that
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of
> Ignite
> > > >>  > internals
> > > >>  > > > in
> > > >>  > > > > the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be
> > lost.
> > > >>  This
> > > >>  > is
> > > >>  > > > > simply a
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us
> at
> > > rush.
> > > >>  > Rush
> > > >>  > > > > during
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is
> > > known -
> > > >>  bad
> > > >>  > > > > features,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > which
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to
> move
> > > it to
> > > >>  AI
> > > >>  > > 2.8
> > > >>  > > > > right
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being
> > ready.
> > > >>  This
> > > >>  > > > simple
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > action
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to
> quality
> > > of the
> > > >>  > > > > product, and
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat
> > > >>  > > stabilization
> > > >>  > > > > effrots
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav
> Daradur
> > <
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be
> > > implemented
> > > >>  > in
> > > >>  > > > > phase 1,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1
> > > scope.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we
> > > completely
> > > >>  > rework
> > > >>  > > > > component
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and
> we
> > > build
> > > >>  > the
> > > >>  > > > > base for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy
> > Setrakyan <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign
> > includes:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take
> > about
> > > 1
> > > >>  > month
> > > >>  > > to
> > > >>  > > > > test
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment
> > > tests
> > > >>  and
> > > >>  > > > > restart
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > tests
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > on
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight
> > runs.
> > > If
> > > >>  > this
> > > >>  > > > > type of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> > > >>  > unreasonable
> > > >>  > > to
> > > >>  > > > > expect
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > this
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy
> > Pavlov <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er,
> but
> > > not a
> > > >>  > > > > commenter,
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > like
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> > > >>  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more
> > > context.
> > > >>  In
> > > >>  > > > > general, I'm
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the
> > > bunch of
> > > >>  > new
> > > >>  > > > > cool
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the
> > > end of
> > > >>  > the
> > > >>  > > > > year with
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > SG
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay
> > > Izhikov
> > > >>  <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many
> emotions
> > > in
> > > >>  > > > > discussion of
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > any
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG
> redesign.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about:
> > > Service
> > > >>  > Grid
> > > >>  > > > > redesign
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > a
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > big
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current
> > task
> > > >>  state:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and
> > aligned*
> > > >>  both:
> > > >>  > > > > privately
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > with
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey
> > Goncharyuk,
> > > >>  Anton
> > > >>  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is
> > > done.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> contribution
> > > and
> > > >>  gave
> > > >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > a
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a
> day
> > or
> > > >>  two.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov
> > review
> > > on
> > > >>  the
> > > >>  > > > > beginning
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > next
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member
> wants
> > to
> > > >>  help
> > > >>  > > *by
> > > >>  > > > > doing
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are
> > > welcome.
> > > >>  PR
> > > >>  > is
> > > >>  > > > > here [1]
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually
> > exclusive
> > > >>  > options
> > > >>  > > > > regarding
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the
> > > bunch of
> > > >>  > new
> > > >>  > > > > cool
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the
> > > end of
> > > >>  > the
> > > >>  > > > > year with
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > SG
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a
> lot
> > of
> > > >>  > things
> > > >>  > > > can
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG
> > release
> > > >>  > version
> > > >>  > > > > *when it
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > will
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy
> > > Pavlov
> > > >>  > > пишет:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The
> > > thread you
> > > >>  > > > > mention was
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members
> > are
> > > >>  > trying
> > > >>  > > to
> > > >>  > > > > take
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community,
> I
> > > value
> > > >>  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > power
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There
> > are
> > > no
> > > >>  > > leaders
> > > >>  > > > > in open
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and
> > > Vyacheslav.
> > > >>  > For
> > > >>  > > > > me, their
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is
> ready
> > to
> > > >>  lead
> > > >>  > an
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > additional
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for
> > me.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy
> > > >>  > Setrakyan <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this
> > > thread
> > > >>  > that
> > > >>  > > > > Service
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because
> the
> > > >>  > community
> > > >>  > > > > still did
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since.
> I
> > > have
> > > >>  not
> > > >>  > > > seen
> > > >>  > > > > any
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > design
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence
> > > that
> > > >>  the
> > > >>  > > > > Service Grid
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7
> > > release
> > > >>  > seems
> > > >>  > > > out
> > > >>  > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > question
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager.
> > We
> > > >>  should
> > > >>  > > let
> > > >>  > > > > him
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great
> job
> > > and
> > > >>  the
> > > >>  > > > > release is
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > going
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM
> > Dmitriy
> > > >>  > Pavlov
> > > >>  > > <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense
> > with
> > > >>  > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with
> any
> > > >>  > > > > include/exclude
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > something
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole
> community
> > > >>  > disagreed.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate
> > > discussion
> > > >>  > > with
> > > >>  > > > > results
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > of the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their
> > > contribution,
> > > >>  > even
> > > >>  > > > if
> > > >>  > > > > we
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > need
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple
> of
> > > days
> > > >>  > > more.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why
> dates
> > > are so
> > > >>  > > > > fundamentally
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20,
> > Dmitriy
> > > >>  > > > Setrakyan <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which
> > it
> > > is
> > > >>  > not,
> > > >>  > > > > then we
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > should
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no
> > need
> > > to
> > > >>  > force
> > > >>  > > > > them into
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule
> we
> > > all
> > > >>  > > agreed
> > > >>  > > > > on.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM
> > > Dmitriy
> > > >>  > > > Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is
> > > >>  "community
> > > >>  > > did
> > > >>  > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > make
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > any
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/
> > services
> > > are
> > > >>  > out
> > > >>  > > of
> > > >>  > > > > scope".
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
> > > >>  confusion.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19,
> > > >>  Vladimir
> > > >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct
> statement
> > > is
> > > >>  “it
> > > >>  > is
> > > >>  > > > up
> > > >>  > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 11:11,
> > > >>  Dmitriy
> > > >>  > > > > Pavlov <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the
> > > community to
> > > >>  > > > discuss
> > > >>  > > > > after
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > their
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 11:09,
> > > >>  > > Vladimir
> > > >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words
> > > correctly
> > > >>  > > that
> > > >>  > > > > it is up
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide
> whether
> > > >>  release
> > > >>  > > of
> > > >>  > > > > all
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > other
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 11:00,
> > > >>  > > Dmitriy
> > > >>  > > > > Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait
> a
> > > bit
> > > >>  for
> > > >>  > > > > services
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > because
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded
> > and
> > > we
> > > >>  > > don't
> > > >>  > > > > have
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > outside
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it is
> > not
> > > >>  some
> > > >>  > > new
> > > >>  > > > > feature,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > which
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well
> > > known
> > > >>  and
> > > >>  > > > > important
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > feature.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to
> > > Vyacheslav,
> > > >>  > Anton
> > > >>  > > > and
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be
> > > services are
> > > >>  > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master
> and
> > to
> > > >>  2.7.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г.
> в
> > > 10:46,
> > > >>  > > > > Vladimir
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement
> > > was to
> > > >>  > > > perform
> > > >>  > > > > the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for
> > > services.
> > > >>  Then
> > > >>  > > we
> > > >>  > > > > wait a
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > bit for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then
> > > again
> > > >>  and
> > > >>  > > > > again, and
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are
> waiting
> > > for
> > > >>  new
> > > >>  > > > > features to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > come,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by
> > > anyone.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have
> > an
> > > >>  > > agreement
> > > >>  > > > > that if
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > feature is
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future
> > > release,
> > > >>  > > instead
> > > >>  > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > shifting
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates
> > when
> > > >>  > > decisions
> > > >>  > > > > are made
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > is
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > to let
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
> 2018
> > at
> > > >>  2:22
> > > >>  > AM
> > > >>  > > > > Dmitriy
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not
> > > >>  > searching
> > > >>  > > > for
> > > >>  > > > > enemy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > and
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases
> > > when we
> > > >>  > are
> > > >>  > > > > hurrying.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix
> test,
> > > fill
> > > >>  > > ticket
> > > >>  > > > > details,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > can't
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their
> tasks.
> > > It
> > > >>  is
> > > >>  > > not
> > > >>  > > > > best
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > idea
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open
> > > source.
> > > >>  > Are
> > > >>  > > > > there any
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised
> > > rest of
> > > >>  > > > > features to be
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > released
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember
> > > principle
> > > >>  > > > > do-orcracy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > power of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and
> > > reviewer
> > > >>  > does
> > > >>  > > > > review,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > let's
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > give
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not
> to
> > > some
> > > >>  > > closed
> > > >>  > > > > club of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > people
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> > г.,
> > > >>  23:42
> > > >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Daradur <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>]

I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It looks like a
release blocker to me.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776

вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:

> Hi Anton,
>
>  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <ka...@yandex.ru>:
>
> > Hi Igniters.
> >
> > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost fixed it.
> > It seems it should be include to scope.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Anton Kalashnikov
> >
> >
> > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <ds...@apache.org>:
> > > Thanks, got it.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to
> > finalize
> > >>  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of the
> > >>  contributors doing the same.
> > >>
> > >>  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> > >>
> > >>  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these
> tickets
> > were
> > >>  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7 scope.
> I
> > >>  would
> > >>  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Third of current tickets are features on their final review stages
> > (e.g.
> > >>  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is
> > >>  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and another
> > big
> > >>  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support,
> > etc.). So
> > >>  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped
> around
> > >>  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be
> very
> > >>  good.
> > >>  >
> > >>  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > >>  > wrote:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all
> these
> > >>  > tickets
> > >>  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have"
> tickets
> > in
> > >>  2.7
> > >>  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > > D.
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > >>  > > wrote:
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > > > Igniters,
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without
> > >>  > > components:
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > >
> > >>  >
> > >>
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > >>  > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > It means:
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > >>  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
> > >>  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE
> > TO
> > >>  > > OCTOBER
> > >>  > > > > 10*.
> > >>  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > Thoughts?
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version
> > [1].
> > >>  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder
> #1,
> > *the
> > >>  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > [1]
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > >
> > >>  >
> > >>
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > >>  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > >>  > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > >>  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > >>  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
> > >>  detection,
> > >>  > > and
> > >>  > > > > I'm
> > >>  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have
> trivial
> > yet
> > >>  > > > > important
> > >>  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > >>  > > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >>  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >>  > > >:
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy
> > discussion
> > >>  > about
> > >>  > > > SG
> > >>  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss
> > things
> > >>  > before
> > >>  > > > > agreement
> > >>  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build
> > >>  > agreements'
> > >>  > > > > here. BTW
> > >>  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the
> > >>  principal
> > >>  > > > > place where
> > >>  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions
> > will
> > >>  be
> > >>  > > > > building on
> > >>  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >>  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > >>  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > >>  > > > >:
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov
> пишет:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a
> > single
> > >>  > > chance
> > >>  > > > > for
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Service
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are
> still
> > >>  > keeping
> > >>  > > > hope
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > alive.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature
> > >>  involving
> > >>  > > > > consensus
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized
> after
> > >>  > initial
> > >>  > > > > public
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in
> > October
> > >>  we
> > >>  > > will
> > >>  > > > > see it
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about
> > regressions
> > >>  > > with
> > >>  > > > > other
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a
> lot
> > of
> > >>  > > efforts
> > >>  > > > > will be
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > put
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole
> purpose
> > of
> > >>  > that
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite
> > >>  > internals
> > >>  > > > in
> > >>  > > > > the
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > middle
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be
> lost.
> > >>  This
> > >>  > is
> > >>  > > > > simply a
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at
> > rush.
> > >>  > Rush
> > >>  > > > > during
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is
> > known -
> > >>  bad
> > >>  > > > > features,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > which
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move
> > it to
> > >>  AI
> > >>  > > 2.8
> > >>  > > > > right
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > now?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being
> ready.
> > >>  This
> > >>  > > > simple
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > action
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality
> > of the
> > >>  > > > > product, and
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat
> > >>  > > stabilization
> > >>  > > > > effrots
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur
> <
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be
> > implemented
> > >>  > in
> > >>  > > > > phase 1,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1
> > scope.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we
> > completely
> > >>  > rework
> > >>  > > > > component
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we
> > build
> > >>  > the
> > >>  > > > > base for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy
> Setrakyan <
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign
> includes:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take
> about
> > 1
> > >>  > month
> > >>  > > to
> > >>  > > > > test
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > properly
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment
> > tests
> > >>  and
> > >>  > > > > restart
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > tests
> > >>  > > > > > > > > on
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight
> runs.
> > If
> > >>  > this
> > >>  > > > > type of
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > testing
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> > >>  > unreasonable
> > >>  > > to
> > >>  > > > > expect
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > this
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but
> > not a
> > >>  > > > > commenter,
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > like
> > >>  > > > > > > > > me,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> > >>  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more
> > context.
> > >>  In
> > >>  > > > > general, I'm
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the
> > bunch of
> > >>  > new
> > >>  > > > > cool
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the
> > end of
> > >>  > the
> > >>  > > > > year with
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > SG
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay
> > Izhikov
> > >>  <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions
> > in
> > >>  > > > > discussion of
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > any
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about:
> > Service
> > >>  > Grid
> > >>  > > > > redesign
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > a
> > >>  > > > > > > > > big
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current
> task
> > >>  state:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and
> aligned*
> > >>  both:
> > >>  > > > > privately
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > with
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey
> Goncharyuk,
> > >>  Anton
> > >>  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is
> > done.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution
> > and
> > >>  gave
> > >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > a
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day
> or
> > >>  two.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov
> review
> > on
> > >>  the
> > >>  > > > > beginning
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > next
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants
> to
> > >>  help
> > >>  > > *by
> > >>  > > > > doing
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > things,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are
> > welcome.
> > >>  PR
> > >>  > is
> > >>  > > > > here [1]
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually
> exclusive
> > >>  > options
> > >>  > > > > regarding
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the
> > bunch of
> > >>  > new
> > >>  > > > > cool
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the
> > end of
> > >>  > the
> > >>  > > > > year with
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > SG
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot
> of
> > >>  > things
> > >>  > > > can
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > happen.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG
> release
> > >>  > version
> > >>  > > > > *when it
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > will
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy
> > Pavlov
> > >>  > > пишет:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The
> > thread you
> > >>  > > > > mention was
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members
> are
> > >>  > trying
> > >>  > > to
> > >>  > > > > take
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > over the
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I
> > value
> > >>  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > power
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There
> are
> > no
> > >>  > > leaders
> > >>  > > > > in open
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and
> > Vyacheslav.
> > >>  > For
> > >>  > > > > me, their
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready
> to
> > >>  lead
> > >>  > an
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > additional
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for
> me.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy
> > >>  > Setrakyan <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this
> > thread
> > >>  > that
> > >>  > > > > Service
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > Grid
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the
> > >>  > community
> > >>  > > > > still did
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I
> > have
> > >>  not
> > >>  > > > seen
> > >>  > > > > any
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > design
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence
> > that
> > >>  the
> > >>  > > > > Service Grid
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7
> > release
> > >>  > seems
> > >>  > > > out
> > >>  > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > question
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager.
> We
> > >>  should
> > >>  > > let
> > >>  > > > > him
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job
> > and
> > >>  the
> > >>  > > > > release is
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > going
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM
> Dmitriy
> > >>  > Pavlov
> > >>  > > <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense
> with
> > >>  > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
> > >>  > > > > include/exclude
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > something
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community
> > >>  > disagreed.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate
> > discussion
> > >>  > > with
> > >>  > > > > results
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > of the
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their
> > contribution,
> > >>  > even
> > >>  > > > if
> > >>  > > > > we
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > need
> > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of
> > days
> > >>  > > more.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates
> > are so
> > >>  > > > > fundamentally
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20,
> Dmitriy
> > >>  > > > Setrakyan <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which
> it
> > is
> > >>  > not,
> > >>  > > > > then we
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > should
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no
> need
> > to
> > >>  > force
> > >>  > > > > them into
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we
> > all
> > >>  > > agreed
> > >>  > > > > on.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM
> > Dmitriy
> > >>  > > > Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is
> > >>  "community
> > >>  > > did
> > >>  > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > make
> > >>  > > > > > > > > any
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/
> services
> > are
> > >>  > out
> > >>  > > of
> > >>  > > > > scope".
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
> > >>  confusion.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19,
> > >>  Vladimir
> > >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement
> > is
> > >>  “it
> > >>  > is
> > >>  > > > up
> > >>  > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11,
> > >>  Dmitriy
> > >>  > > > > Pavlov <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the
> > community to
> > >>  > > > discuss
> > >>  > > > > after
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > their
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 11:09,
> > >>  > > Vladimir
> > >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words
> > correctly
> > >>  > > that
> > >>  > > > > it is up
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether
> > >>  release
> > >>  > > of
> > >>  > > > > all
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > other
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > features
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 11:00,
> > >>  > > Dmitriy
> > >>  > > > > Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a
> > bit
> > >>  for
> > >>  > > > > services
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > because
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded
> and
> > we
> > >>  > > don't
> > >>  > > > > have
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > outside
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it is
> not
> > >>  some
> > >>  > > new
> > >>  > > > > feature,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > which
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well
> > known
> > >>  and
> > >>  > > > > important
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > feature.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to
> > Vyacheslav,
> > >>  > Anton
> > >>  > > > and
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be
> > services are
> > >>  > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and
> to
> > >>  2.7.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 10:46,
> > >>  > > > > Vladimir
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement
> > was to
> > >>  > > > perform
> > >>  > > > > the
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for
> > services.
> > >>  Then
> > >>  > > we
> > >>  > > > > wait a
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > bit for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then
> > again
> > >>  and
> > >>  > > > > again, and
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting
> > for
> > >>  new
> > >>  > > > > features to
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > come,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by
> > anyone.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have
> an
> > >>  > > agreement
> > >>  > > > > that if
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > feature is
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future
> > release,
> > >>  > > instead
> > >>  > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > shifting
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates
> when
> > >>  > > decisions
> > >>  > > > > are made
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > is
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > to let
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018
> at
> > >>  2:22
> > >>  > AM
> > >>  > > > > Dmitriy
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not
> > >>  > searching
> > >>  > > > for
> > >>  > > > > enemy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > and
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases
> > when we
> > >>  > are
> > >>  > > > > hurrying.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test,
> > fill
> > >>  > > ticket
> > >>  > > > > details,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > can't
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.
> > It
> > >>  is
> > >>  > > not
> > >>  > > > > best
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > idea
> > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > use
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open
> > source.
> > >>  > Are
> > >>  > > > > there any
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised
> > rest of
> > >>  > > > > features to be
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > released
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember
> > principle
> > >>  > > > > do-orcracy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > power of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and
> > reviewer
> > >>  > does
> > >>  > > > > review,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > let's
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > give
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to
> > some
> > >>  > > closed
> > >>  > > > > club of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > people
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> г.,
> > >>  23:42
> > >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Daradur <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written
> > about
> > >>  > > > > Service Grid
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > before [1]
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be
> sure
> > >>  that
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > implementation is
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including
> it
> > in
> > >>  > 2.7,
> > >>  > > if
> > >>  > > > > we talk
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > that
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > code
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > freeze
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is
> not
> > >>  ready
> > >>  > > to
> > >>  > > > > merge
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > yet.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that
> > >>  prereviewers
> > >>  > > > Anton
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if
> > >>  > solution
> > >>  > > > out
> > >>  > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > scope or
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >



-- 
Best regards,
  Andrey Kuznetsov.

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>]

Hi Anton,

 I definitely agree it is a blocker.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <ka...@yandex.ru>:

> Hi Igniters.
>
> I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost fixed it.
> It seems it should be include to scope.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Anton Kalashnikov
>
>
> 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <ds...@apache.org>:
> > Thanks, got it.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to
> finalize
> >>  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of the
> >>  contributors doing the same.
> >>
> >>  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> >>
> >>  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these tickets
> were
> >>  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7 scope. I
> >>  would
> >>  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> >>  >
> >>  > Third of current tickets are features on their final review stages
> (e.g.
> >>  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is
> >>  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and another
> big
> >>  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support,
> etc.). So
> >>  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped around
> >>  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be very
> >>  good.
> >>  >
> >>  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>  > wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all these
> >>  > tickets
> >>  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have" tickets
> in
> >>  2.7
> >>  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > D.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> vozerov@gridgain.com>
> >>  > > wrote:
> >>  > >
> >>  > > > Igniters,
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without
> >>  > > components:
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > >
> >>  > >
> >>  >
> >>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> nizhikov@apache.org>
> >>  > > > wrote:
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > It means:
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> >>  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
> >>  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE
> TO
> >>  > > OCTOBER
> >>  > > > > 10*.
> >>  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > Thoughts?
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version
> [1].
> >>  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1,
> *the
> >>  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > [1]
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > >
> >>  > >
> >>  >
> >>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> >>  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> >>  > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> >>  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> >>  stkuzma@gmail.com
> >>  > >
> >>  > > > > wrote:
> >>  > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > Igniters,
> >>  > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
> >>  detection,
> >>  > > and
> >>  > > > > I'm
> >>  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial
> yet
> >>  > > > > important
> >>  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> >>  > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> >>  > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> >>  > > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> >>  > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >>  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >>  > > >:
> >>  > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > Folks,
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy
> discussion
> >>  > about
> >>  > > > SG
> >>  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss
> things
> >>  > before
> >>  > > > > agreement
> >>  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build
> >>  > agreements'
> >>  > > > > here. BTW
> >>  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the
> >>  principal
> >>  > > > > place where
> >>  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions
> will
> >>  be
> >>  > > > > building on
> >>  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >>  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> >>  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> >>  > > > >:
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a
> single
> >>  > > chance
> >>  > > > > for
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > Service
> >>  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still
> >>  > keeping
> >>  > > > hope
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > alive.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature
> >>  involving
> >>  > > > > consensus
> >>  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after
> >>  > initial
> >>  > > > > public
> >>  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in
> October
> >>  we
> >>  > > will
> >>  > > > > see it
> >>  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about
> regressions
> >>  > > with
> >>  > > > > other
> >>  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot
> of
> >>  > > efforts
> >>  > > > > will be
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > put
> >>  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose
> of
> >>  > that
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > pre-release
> >>  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite
> >>  > internals
> >>  > > > in
> >>  > > > > the
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > middle
> >>  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost.
> >>  This
> >>  > is
> >>  > > > > simply a
> >>  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> >>  > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at
> rush.
> >>  > Rush
> >>  > > > > during
> >>  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is
> known -
> >>  bad
> >>  > > > > features,
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > which
> >>  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> >>  > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move
> it to
> >>  AI
> >>  > > 2.8
> >>  > > > > right
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > now?
> >>  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready.
> >>  This
> >>  > > > simple
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > action
> >>  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality
> of the
> >>  > > > > product, and
> >>  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat
> >>  > > stabilization
> >>  > > > > effrots
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > of
> >>  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> >>  > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> >>  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>  > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be
> implemented
> >>  > in
> >>  > > > > phase 1,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1
> scope.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we
> completely
> >>  > rework
> >>  > > > > component
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we
> build
> >>  > the
> >>  > > > > base for
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about
> 1
> >>  > month
> >>  > > to
> >>  > > > > test
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > properly
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment
> tests
> >>  and
> >>  > > > > restart
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > tests
> >>  > > > > > > > > on
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs.
> If
> >>  > this
> >>  > > > > type of
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > testing
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> >>  > unreasonable
> >>  > > to
> >>  > > > > expect
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > this
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but
> not a
> >>  > > > > commenter,
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > like
> >>  > > > > > > > > me,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > for
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> >>  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more
> context.
> >>  In
> >>  > > > > general, I'm
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the
> bunch of
> >>  > new
> >>  > > > > cool
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the
> end of
> >>  > the
> >>  > > > > year with
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > SG
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay
> Izhikov
> >>  <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions
> in
> >>  > > > > discussion of
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > any
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about:
> Service
> >>  > Grid
> >>  > > > > redesign
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > a
> >>  > > > > > > > > big
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task
> >>  state:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned*
> >>  both:
> >>  > > > > privately
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > with
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk,
> >>  Anton
> >>  > > > > Vinogradov,
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > Denis
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is
> done.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution
> and
> >>  gave
> >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > a
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or
> >>  two.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review
> on
> >>  the
> >>  > > > > beginning
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > of
> >>  > > > > > > > > next
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to
> >>  help
> >>  > > *by
> >>  > > > > doing
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > things,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are
> welcome.
> >>  PR
> >>  > is
> >>  > > > > here [1]
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive
> >>  > options
> >>  > > > > regarding
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > of
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the
> bunch of
> >>  > new
> >>  > > > > cool
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the
> end of
> >>  > the
> >>  > > > > year with
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > SG
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of
> >>  > things
> >>  > > > can
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > happen.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release
> >>  > version
> >>  > > > > *when it
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > will
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > be
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> >>  > > пишет:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The
> thread you
> >>  > > > > mention was
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > not
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > named
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are
> >>  > trying
> >>  > > to
> >>  > > > > take
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > over the
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I
> value
> >>  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > power
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > of
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are
> no
> >>  > > leaders
> >>  > > > > in open
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and
> Vyacheslav.
> >>  > For
> >>  > > > > me, their
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to
> >>  lead
> >>  > an
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > additional
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy
> >>  > Setrakyan <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this
> thread
> >>  > that
> >>  > > > > Service
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > Grid
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the
> >>  > community
> >>  > > > > still did
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > not
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I
> have
> >>  not
> >>  > > > seen
> >>  > > > > any
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > design
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence
> that
> >>  the
> >>  > > > > Service Grid
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7
> release
> >>  > seems
> >>  > > > out
> >>  > > > > of
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > question
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We
> >>  should
> >>  > > let
> >>  > > > > him
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > drive the
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job
> and
> >>  the
> >>  > > > > release is
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > going
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy
> >>  > Pavlov
> >>  > > <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with
> >>  > release
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
> >>  > > > > include/exclude
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > something
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community
> >>  > disagreed.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate
> discussion
> >>  > > with
> >>  > > > > results
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > of the
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their
> contribution,
> >>  > even
> >>  > > > if
> >>  > > > > we
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > need
> >>  > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of
> days
> >>  > > more.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates
> are so
> >>  > > > > fundamentally
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > important
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy
> >>  > > > Setrakyan <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it
> is
> >>  > not,
> >>  > > > > then we
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > should
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need
> to
> >>  > force
> >>  > > > > them into
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > I
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we
> all
> >>  > > agreed
> >>  > > > > on.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM
> Dmitriy
> >>  > > > Pavlov
> >>  > > > > <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is
> >>  "community
> >>  > > did
> >>  > > > > not
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > make
> >>  > > > > > > > > any
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services
> are
> >>  > out
> >>  > > of
> >>  > > > > scope".
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
> >>  confusion.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19,
> >>  Vladimir
> >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement
> is
> >>  “it
> >>  > is
> >>  > > > up
> >>  > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11,
> >>  Dmitriy
> >>  > > > > Pavlov <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the
> community to
> >>  > > > discuss
> >>  > > > > after
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > their
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09,
> >>  > > Vladimir
> >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words
> correctly
> >>  > > that
> >>  > > > > it is up
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether
> >>  release
> >>  > > of
> >>  > > > > all
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > other
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > features
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 11:00,
> >>  > > Dmitriy
> >>  > > > > Pavlov
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a
> bit
> >>  for
> >>  > > > > services
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > because
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded and
> we
> >>  > > don't
> >>  > > > > have
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > outside
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it is not
> >>  some
> >>  > > new
> >>  > > > > feature,
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > which
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well
> known
> >>  and
> >>  > > > > important
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > feature.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to
> Vyacheslav,
> >>  > Anton
> >>  > > > and
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > Nikolay
> >>  > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be
> services are
> >>  > not
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to
> >>  2.7.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 10:46,
> >>  > > > > Vladimir
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement
> was to
> >>  > > > perform
> >>  > > > > the
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > release
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > in
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for
> services.
> >>  Then
> >>  > > we
> >>  > > > > wait a
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > bit for
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then
> again
> >>  and
> >>  > > > > again, and
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > release
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting
> for
> >>  new
> >>  > > > > features to
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > come,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by
> anyone.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an
> >>  > > agreement
> >>  > > > > that if
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > feature is
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future
> release,
> >>  > > instead
> >>  > > > of
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > shifting
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when
> >>  > > decisions
> >>  > > > > are made
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > is
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > to let
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> >>  2:22
> >>  > AM
> >>  > > > > Dmitriy
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not
> >>  > searching
> >>  > > > for
> >>  > > > > enemy,
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > and
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases
> when we
> >>  > are
> >>  > > > > hurrying.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test,
> fill
> >>  > > ticket
> >>  > > > > details,
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > can't
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.
> It
> >>  is
> >>  > > not
> >>  > > > > best
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > idea
> >>  > > > > > > > > to
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > use
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open
> source.
> >>  > Are
> >>  > > > > there any
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised
> rest of
> >>  > > > > features to be
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > released
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember
> principle
> >>  > > > > do-orcracy,
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > power of
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and
> reviewer
> >>  > does
> >>  > > > > review,
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > let's
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > give
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right of
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to
> some
> >>  > > closed
> >>  > > > > club of
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > people
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.,
> >>  23:42
> >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > Daradur <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written
> about
> >>  > > > > Service Grid
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > before [1]
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure
> >>  that
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > implementation is
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it
> in
> >>  > 2.7,
> >>  > > if
> >>  > > > > we talk
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > that
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > code
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > freeze
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not
> >>  ready
> >>  > > to
> >>  > > > > merge
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > yet.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that
> >>  prereviewers
> >>  > > > Anton
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > Vinogradov
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > and
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if
> >>  > solution
> >>  > > > out
> >>  > > > > of
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > scope or
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > >
> >>  > >
> >>  >
> >>
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> 2018 at
> >>  > > 11:14
> >>  > > > > PM
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE
> >>  > during
> >>  > > > WAL
> >>  > > > > flush
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > is
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange
> why the
> >>  > > > > current test
> >>  > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > set
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > did
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fail
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент.
> 2018 г.
> >>  в
> >>  > > > 21:45,
> >>  > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > Andrey
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped
> into a
> >>  > new
> >>  > > > bug
> >>  > > > > in WAL
> >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > manager
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently,
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Anton Kalashnikov <ka...@yandex.ru>]

Hi Igniters.

I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost fixed it. 
It seems it should be include to scope.

-- 
Best regards,
Anton Kalashnikov


02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <ds...@apache.org>:
> Thanks, got it.
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to finalize
>>  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of the
>>  contributors doing the same.
>>
>>  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
>>
>>  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these tickets were
>>  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7 scope. I
>>  would
>>  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
>>  >
>>  > Third of current tickets are features on their final review stages (e.g.
>>  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is
>>  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and another big
>>  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support, etc.). So
>>  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped around
>>  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be very
>>  good.
>>  >
>>  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
>>  > wrote:
>>  >
>>  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all these
>>  > tickets
>>  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have" tickets in
>>  2.7
>>  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
>>  > >
>>  > > D.
>>  > >
>>  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>
>>  > > wrote:
>>  > >
>>  > > > Igniters,
>>  > > >
>>  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without
>>  > > components:
>>  > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>  https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
>>  > > >
>>  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>
>>  > > > wrote:
>>  > > >
>>  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > It means:
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
>>  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
>>  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE TO
>>  > > OCTOBER
>>  > > > > 10*.
>>  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > Thoughts?
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version [1].
>>  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1, *the
>>  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > [1]
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
>>  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
>>  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
>>  stkuzma@gmail.com
>>  > >
>>  > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > Igniters,
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
>>  detection,
>>  > > and
>>  > > > > I'm
>>  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet
>>  > > > > important
>>  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
>>  > > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
>>  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>>  > > >:
>>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > Folks,
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion
>>  > about
>>  > > > SG
>>  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things
>>  > before
>>  > > > > agreement
>>  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build
>>  > agreements'
>>  > > > > here. BTW
>>  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the
>>  principal
>>  > > > > place where
>>  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will
>>  be
>>  > > > > building on
>>  > > > > > > > the dev list.
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>>  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
>>  > > nizhikov@apache.org
>>  > > > >:
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
>>  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single
>>  > > chance
>>  > > > > for
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > Service
>>  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still
>>  > keeping
>>  > > > hope
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > alive.
>>  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature
>>  involving
>>  > > > > consensus
>>  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after
>>  > initial
>>  > > > > public
>>  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October
>>  we
>>  > > will
>>  > > > > see it
>>  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions
>>  > > with
>>  > > > > other
>>  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of
>>  > > efforts
>>  > > > > will be
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > put
>>  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of
>>  > that
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > pre-release
>>  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite
>>  > internals
>>  > > > in
>>  > > > > the
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > middle
>>  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost.
>>  This
>>  > is
>>  > > > > simply a
>>  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush.
>>  > Rush
>>  > > > > during
>>  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known -
>>  bad
>>  > > > > features,
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > which
>>  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to
>>  AI
>>  > > 2.8
>>  > > > > right
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > now?
>>  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready.
>>  This
>>  > > > simple
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > action
>>  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the
>>  > > > > product, and
>>  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat
>>  > > stabilization
>>  > > > > effrots
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > of
>>  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented
>>  > in
>>  > > > > phase 1,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely
>>  > rework
>>  > > > > component
>>  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build
>>  > the
>>  > > > > base for
>>  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
>>  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1
>>  > month
>>  > > to
>>  > > > > test
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > properly
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests
>>  and
>>  > > > > restart
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > tests
>>  > > > > > > > > on
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If
>>  > this
>>  > > > > type of
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > testing
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
>>  > unreasonable
>>  > > to
>>  > > > > expect
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > this
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a
>>  > > > > commenter,
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > like
>>  > > > > > > > > me,
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > for
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
>>  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context.
>>  In
>>  > > > > general, I'm
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of
>>  > new
>>  > > > > cool
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > features.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of
>>  > the
>>  > > > > year with
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > SG
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov
>>  <
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in
>>  > > > > discussion of
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > any
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service
>>  > Grid
>>  > > > > redesign
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > a
>>  > > > > > > > > big
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task
>>  state:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned*
>>  both:
>>  > > > > privately
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > with
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk,
>>  Anton
>>  > > > > Vinogradov,
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > Denis
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and
>>  gave
>>  > > > > Vyacheslav
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > a
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or
>>  two.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on
>>  the
>>  > > > > beginning
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > of
>>  > > > > > > > > next
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to
>>  help
>>  > > *by
>>  > > > > doing
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > things,
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > not
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome.
>>  PR
>>  > is
>>  > > > > here [1]
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive
>>  > options
>>  > > > > regarding
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > of
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > release
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of
>>  > new
>>  > > > > cool
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > features.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of
>>  > the
>>  > > > > year with
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > SG
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of
>>  > things
>>  > > > can
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > happen.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release
>>  > version
>>  > > > > *when it
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > will
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > be
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov
>>  > > пишет:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you
>>  > > > > mention was
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > not
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > named
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are
>>  > trying
>>  > > to
>>  > > > > take
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > over the
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value
>>  > > > > Do-ocracy and
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > power
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > of
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no
>>  > > leaders
>>  > > > > in open
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > source,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav.
>>  > For
>>  > > > > me, their
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to
>>  lead
>>  > an
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > additional
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > release
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy
>>  > Setrakyan <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread
>>  > that
>>  > > > > Service
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > Grid
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the
>>  > community
>>  > > > > still did
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > not
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have
>>  not
>>  > > > seen
>>  > > > > any
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > design
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that
>>  the
>>  > > > > Service Grid
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release
>>  > seems
>>  > > > out
>>  > > > > of
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > question
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We
>>  should
>>  > > let
>>  > > > > him
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > drive the
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and
>>  the
>>  > > > > release is
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > going
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy
>>  > Pavlov
>>  > > <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with
>>  > release
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
>>  > > > > include/exclude
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > something
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community
>>  > disagreed.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion
>>  > > with
>>  > > > > results
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > of the
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution,
>>  > even
>>  > > > if
>>  > > > > we
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > need
>>  > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days
>>  > > more.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so
>>  > > > > fundamentally
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > important
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy
>>  > > > Setrakyan <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is
>>  > not,
>>  > > > > then we
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > should
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to
>>  > force
>>  > > > > them into
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > I
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all
>>  > > agreed
>>  > > > > on.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy
>>  > > > Pavlov
>>  > > > > <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is
>>  "community
>>  > > did
>>  > > > > not
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > make
>>  > > > > > > > > any
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are
>>  > out
>>  > > of
>>  > > > > scope".
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
>>  confusion.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19,
>>  Vladimir
>>  > > > > Ozerov <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is
>>  “it
>>  > is
>>  > > > up
>>  > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11,
>>  Dmitriy
>>  > > > > Pavlov <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to
>>  > > > discuss
>>  > > > > after
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > their
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09,
>>  > > Vladimir
>>  > > > > Ozerov <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly
>>  > > that
>>  > > > > it is up
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether
>>  release
>>  > > of
>>  > > > > all
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > other
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > features
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00,
>>  > > Dmitriy
>>  > > > > Pavlov
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit
>>  for
>>  > > > > services
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > because
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded and we
>>  > > don't
>>  > > > > have
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > outside
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it is not
>>  some
>>  > > new
>>  > > > > feature,
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > which
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known
>>  and
>>  > > > > important
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > feature.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav,
>>  > Anton
>>  > > > and
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > Nikolay
>>  > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are
>>  > not
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to
>>  2.7.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46,
>>  > > > > Vladimir
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to
>>  > > > perform
>>  > > > > the
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > release
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > in
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services.
>>  Then
>>  > > we
>>  > > > > wait a
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > bit for
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > other
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again
>>  and
>>  > > > > again, and
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > release
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > will
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for
>>  new
>>  > > > > features to
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > come,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an
>>  > > agreement
>>  > > > > that if
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > feature is
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release,
>>  > > instead
>>  > > > of
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > shifting
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when
>>  > > decisions
>>  > > > > are made
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > is
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > to let
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
>>  2:22
>>  > AM
>>  > > > > Dmitriy
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > Pavlov
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not
>>  > searching
>>  > > > for
>>  > > > > enemy,
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > and
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > not
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we
>>  > are
>>  > > > > hurrying.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill
>>  > > ticket
>>  > > > > details,
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > can't
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks. It
>>  is
>>  > > not
>>  > > > > best
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > idea
>>  > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > use
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source.
>>  > Are
>>  > > > > there any
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > pressure
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of
>>  > > > > features to be
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > released
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > at
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle
>>  > > > > do-orcracy,
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > power of
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > those
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer
>>  > does
>>  > > > > review,
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > let's
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > give
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right of
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some
>>  > > closed
>>  > > > > club of
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > people
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > who
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.,
>>  23:42
>>  > > > > Vyacheslav
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > Daradur <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about
>>  > > > > Service Grid
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > before [1]
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure
>>  that
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > implementation is
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in
>>  > 2.7,
>>  > > if
>>  > > > > we talk
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > that
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > code
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > freeze
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not
>>  ready
>>  > > to
>>  > > > > merge
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > yet.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that
>>  prereviewers
>>  > > > Anton
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > Vinogradov
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > and
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if
>>  > solution
>>  > > > out
>>  > > > > of
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > scope or
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > not
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>  http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
>>  > > 11:14
>>  > > > > PM
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE
>>  > during
>>  > > > WAL
>>  > > > > flush
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > is
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the
>>  > > > > current test
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > set
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > did
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > not
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fail
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.
>>  в
>>  > > > 21:45,
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > Andrey
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a
>>  > new
>>  > > > bug
>>  > > > > in WAL
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > manager
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough,
>>  and
>>  > > can
>>  > > > > be a
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > good
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > candidate
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
>>  г.
>>  > в
>>  > > > > 19:45,
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need
>>  > Vhyacheslav's
>>  > > > > opinion to
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > be
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never
>>  committed
>>  > to
>>  > > > > dates of
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > release,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > as
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean
>>  'the
>>  > > > > community
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > committed to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also
>>  > > > > concerned why
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > such
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > a big
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on
>>  the
>>  > > > list.
>>  > > > > But it
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > is
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > another
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
>>  > г.
>>  > > в
>>  > > > > 19:33,
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop
>>  > looking
>>  > > > for
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > enemies
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > everywhere.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for
>>  > > > > "service"
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > word.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
>>  > > 2018
>>  > > > > at 7:30
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > PM
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > Denis
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda <
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as
>>  PMC
>>  > > > > Chair,
>>  > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > could
>>  > > > > > > > > you
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > please
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > inclusion/exclusion is
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > discussed
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine
>>  when
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > committers/contributors
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature
>>  > they've
>>  > > > > been
>>  > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > working
>>  > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > on.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Not
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list.
>>  > Otherwise,
>>  > > it
>>  > > > > will be
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > inundated.
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,
>>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
>>  >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>]

Thanks, got it.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to finalize
> all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of the
> contributors doing the same.
>
> пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
>
> > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these tickets were
> > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7 scope. I
> would
> > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> >
> > Third of current tickets are features on their final review stages (e.g.
> > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is
> > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and another big
> > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support, etc.). So
> > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped around
> > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be very
> good.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all these
> > tickets
> > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have" tickets in
> 2.7
> > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > >
> > > D.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without
> > > components:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > >
> > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > > > >
> > > > > It means:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
> > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE TO
> > > OCTOBER
> > > > > 10*.
> > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version [1].
> > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1, *the
> > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> stkuzma@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
> detection,
> > > and
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet
> > > > > important
> > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion
> > about
> > > > SG
> > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things
> > before
> > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build
> > agreements'
> > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the
> principal
> > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will
> be
> > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single
> > > chance
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still
> > keeping
> > > > hope
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature
> involving
> > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after
> > initial
> > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October
> we
> > > will
> > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions
> > > with
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of
> > > efforts
> > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of
> > that
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite
> > internals
> > > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost.
> This
> > is
> > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush.
> > Rush
> > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known -
> bad
> > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to
> AI
> > > 2.8
> > > > > right
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready.
> This
> > > > simple
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the
> > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat
> > > stabilization
> > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented
> > in
> > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely
> > rework
> > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build
> > the
> > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1
> > month
> > > to
> > > > > test
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests
> and
> > > > > restart
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If
> > this
> > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> > unreasonable
> > > to
> > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a
> > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context.
> In
> > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of
> > new
> > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of
> > the
> > > > > year with
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov
> <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in
> > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service
> > Grid
> > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task
> state:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned*
> both:
> > > > > privately
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk,
> Anton
> > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and
> gave
> > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or
> two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on
> the
> > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to
> help
> > > *by
> > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome.
> PR
> > is
> > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive
> > options
> > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of
> > new
> > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of
> > the
> > > > > year with
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of
> > things
> > > > can
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release
> > version
> > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you
> > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > > take
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value
> > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no
> > > leaders
> > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav.
> > For
> > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to
> lead
> > an
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy
> > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread
> > that
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the
> > community
> > > > > still did
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have
> not
> > > > seen
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that
> the
> > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release
> > seems
> > > > out
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We
> should
> > > let
> > > > > him
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and
> the
> > > > > release is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy
> > Pavlov
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with
> > release
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
> > > > > include/exclude
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community
> > disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion
> > > with
> > > > > results
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days
> > > more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so
> > > > > fundamentally
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy
> > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is
> > not,
> > > > > then we
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to
> > force
> > > > > them into
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all
> > > agreed
> > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy
> > > > Pavlov
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is
> "community
> > > did
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are
> > out
> > > of
> > > > > scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
> confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19,
> Vladimir
> > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is
> “it
> > is
> > > > up
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11,
> Dmitriy
> > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to
> > > > discuss
> > > > > after
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09,
> > > Vladimir
> > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly
> > > that
> > > > > it is up
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether
> release
> > > of
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00,
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit
> for
> > > > > services
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we
> > > don't
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not
> some
> > > new
> > > > > feature,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known
> and
> > > > > important
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav,
> > Anton
> > > > and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are
> > not
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to
> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46,
> > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to
> > > > perform
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services.
> Then
> > > we
> > > > > wait a
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > bit for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again
> and
> > > > > again, and
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for
> new
> > > > > features to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > come,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an
> > > agreement
> > > > > that if
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > feature is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release,
> > > instead
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > shifting
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when
> > > decisions
> > > > > are made
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > to let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> 2:22
> > AM
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not
> > searching
> > > > for
> > > > > enemy,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we
> > are
> > > > > hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill
> > > ticket
> > > > > details,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It
> is
> > > not
> > > > > best
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source.
> > Are
> > > > > there any
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of
> > > > > features to be
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > released
> > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle
> > > > > do-orcracy,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > power of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer
> > does
> > > > > review,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > let's
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some
> > > closed
> > > > > club of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.,
> 23:42
> > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about
> > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > before [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure
> that
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > implementation is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in
> > 2.7,
> > > if
> > > > > we talk
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not
> ready
> > > to
> > > > > merge
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that
> prereviewers
> > > > Anton
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if
> > solution
> > > > out
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > scope or
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> > > 11:14
> > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE
> > during
> > > > WAL
> > > > > flush
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the
> > > > > current test
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.
> в
> > > > 21:45,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andrey
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a
> > new
> > > > bug
> > > > > in WAL
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > manager
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough,
> and
> > > can
> > > > > be a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> г.
> > в
> > > > > 19:45,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need
> > Vhyacheslav's
> > > > > opinion to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never
> committed
> > to
> > > > > dates of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean
> 'the
> > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also
> > > > > concerned why
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on
> the
> > > > list.
> > > > > But it
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> > г.
> > > в
> > > > > 19:33,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop
> > looking
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > enemies
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for
> > > > > "service"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> > > 2018
> > > > > at 7:30
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as
> PMC
> > > > > Chair,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine
> when
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature
> > they've
> > > > > been
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list.
> > Otherwise,
> > > it
> > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>]

Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to finalize
all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of the
contributors doing the same.

пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:

> This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these tickets were
> considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7 scope. I would
> say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
>
> Third of current tickets are features on their final review stages (e.g.
> TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is
> stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and another big
> part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support, etc.). So
> despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped around
> several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be very good.
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all these
> tickets
> > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have" tickets in 2.7
> > and move the rest to 2.8.
> >
> > D.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without
> > components:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > >
> > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > > >
> > > > It means:
> > > >
> > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
> > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE TO
> > OCTOBER
> > > > 10*.
> > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version [1].
> > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1, *the
> > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > >
> > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <stkuzma@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination detection,
> > and
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet
> > > > important
> > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > >
> > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion
> about
> > > SG
> > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things
> before
> > > > agreement
> > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build
> agreements'
> > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal
> > > > place where
> > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be
> > > > building on
> > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single
> > chance
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still
> keeping
> > > hope
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving
> > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after
> initial
> > > > public
> > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we
> > will
> > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions
> > with
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of
> > efforts
> > > > will be
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of
> that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite
> internals
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This
> is
> > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush.
> Rush
> > > > during
> > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad
> > > > features,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI
> > 2.8
> > > > right
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This
> > > simple
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the
> > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat
> > stabilization
> > > > effrots
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented
> in
> > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely
> rework
> > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build
> the
> > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1
> month
> > to
> > > > test
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and
> > > > restart
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If
> this
> > > > type of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> unreasonable
> > to
> > > > expect
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a
> > > > commenter,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In
> > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of
> new
> > > > cool
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of
> the
> > > > year with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in
> > > > discussion of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service
> Grid
> > > > redesign
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both:
> > > > privately
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton
> > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave
> > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the
> > > > beginning
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help
> > *by
> > > > doing
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR
> is
> > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive
> options
> > > > regarding
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of
> new
> > > > cool
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of
> the
> > > > year with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of
> things
> > > can
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release
> version
> > > > *when it
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov
> > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you
> > > > mention was
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are
> trying
> > to
> > > > take
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value
> > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no
> > leaders
> > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav.
> For
> > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead
> an
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy
> Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread
> that
> > > > Service
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the
> community
> > > > still did
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not
> > > seen
> > > > any
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the
> > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release
> seems
> > > out
> > > > of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should
> > let
> > > > him
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the
> > > > release is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with
> release
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
> > > > include/exclude
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community
> disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion
> > with
> > > > results
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution,
> even
> > > if
> > > > we
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days
> > more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so
> > > > fundamentally
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy
> > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is
> not,
> > > > then we
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to
> force
> > > > them into
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all
> > agreed
> > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy
> > > Pavlov
> > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community
> > did
> > > > not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are
> out
> > of
> > > > scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir
> > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it
> is
> > > up
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy
> > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to
> > > discuss
> > > > after
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09,
> > Vladimir
> > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly
> > that
> > > > it is up
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release
> > of
> > > > all
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00,
> > Dmitriy
> > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for
> > > > services
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we
> > don't
> > > > have
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not some
> > new
> > > > feature,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and
> > > > important
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav,
> Anton
> > > and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are
> not
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46,
> > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to
> > > perform
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then
> > we
> > > > wait a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > bit for
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and
> > > > again, and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new
> > > > features to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > come,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an
> > agreement
> > > > that if
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > feature is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release,
> > instead
> > > of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > shifting
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when
> > decisions
> > > > are made
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > to let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22
> AM
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not
> searching
> > > for
> > > > enemy,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we
> are
> > > > hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill
> > ticket
> > > > details,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is
> > not
> > > > best
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source.
> Are
> > > > there any
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of
> > > > features to be
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > released
> > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle
> > > > do-orcracy,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > power of
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer
> does
> > > > review,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > let's
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > right of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some
> > closed
> > > > club of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42
> > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about
> > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > before [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > implementation is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in
> 2.7,
> > if
> > > > we talk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready
> > to
> > > > merge
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers
> > > Anton
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if
> solution
> > > out
> > > > of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > scope or
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> > 11:14
> > > > PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE
> during
> > > WAL
> > > > flush
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the
> > > > current test
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 21:45,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrey
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a
> new
> > > bug
> > > > in WAL
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > manager
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and
> > can
> > > > be a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.
> в
> > > > 19:45,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need
> Vhyacheslav's
> > > > opinion to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed
> to
> > > > dates of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > release,
> > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the
> > > > community
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also
> > > > concerned why
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the
> > > list.
> > > > But it
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> г.
> > в
> > > > 19:33,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop
> looking
> > > for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > enemies
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for
> > > > "service"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> > 2018
> > > > at 7:30
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC
> > > > Chair,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature
> they've
> > > > been
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list.
> Otherwise,
> > it
> > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release
> > > > decisions need
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about
> > > > Service
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Grid,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable
> > > whether
> > > > it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > gets
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > added to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*,
> > could
> > > > you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > shed
> > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > light
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> > > 2018
> > > > at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 9:12
> > > > > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's
> wait
> > > for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > feedback
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > from SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>]

This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these tickets were
considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7 scope. I would
say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.

Third of current tickets are features on their final review stages (e.g.
TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is
stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and another big
part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support, etc.). So
despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped around
several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be very good.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
wrote:

> If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all these tickets
> will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have" tickets in 2.7
> and move the rest to 2.8.
>
> D.
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Igniters,
> >
> > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without
> components:
> >
> >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, Igniters.
> > >
> > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > >
> > > It means:
> > >
> > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
> > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE TO
> OCTOBER
> > > 10*.
> > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version [1].
> > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1, *the
> > > deadline is near :)*.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > >
> > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Igniters,
> > > > >
> > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination detection,
> and
> > > I'm
> > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet
> > > important
> > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > >
> > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > >
> > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion about
> > SG
> > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things before
> > > agreement
> > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build agreements'
> > > here. BTW
> > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal
> > > place where
> > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be
> > > building on
> > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> nizhikov@apache.org
> > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single
> chance
> > > for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping
> > hope
> > > > > >
> > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving
> > > consensus
> > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial
> > > public
> > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we
> will
> > > see it
> > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions
> with
> > > other
> > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of
> efforts
> > > will be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals
> > in
> > > the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is
> > > simply a
> > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush
> > > during
> > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad
> > > features,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI
> 2.8
> > > right
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This
> > simple
> > > > > >
> > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the
> > > product, and
> > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat
> stabilization
> > > effrots
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in
> > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework
> > > component
> > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the
> > > base for
> > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month
> to
> > > test
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and
> > > restart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this
> > > type of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable
> to
> > > expect
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a
> > > commenter,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In
> > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new
> > > cool
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the
> > > year with
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in
> > > discussion of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid
> > > redesign
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both:
> > > privately
> > > > > >
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton
> > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave
> > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the
> > > beginning
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help
> *by
> > > doing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is
> > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options
> > > regarding
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new
> > > cool
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the
> > > year with
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things
> > can
> > > > > >
> > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version
> > > *when it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov
> пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you
> > > mention was
> > > > > >
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying
> to
> > > take
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value
> > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no
> leaders
> > > in open
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For
> > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an
> > > > > >
> > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that
> > > Service
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community
> > > still did
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not
> > seen
> > > any
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the
> > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems
> > out
> > > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should
> let
> > > him
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the
> > > release is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov
> <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
> > > include/exclude
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion
> with
> > > results
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even
> > if
> > > we
> > > > > >
> > > > > > need
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days
> more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so
> > > fundamentally
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy
> > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not,
> > > then we
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force
> > > them into
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all
> agreed
> > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy
> > Pavlov
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community
> did
> > > not
> > > > > >
> > > > > > make
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out
> of
> > > scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir
> > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is
> > up
> > > to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy
> > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to
> > discuss
> > > after
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09,
> Vladimir
> > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly
> that
> > > it is up
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release
> of
> > > all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00,
> Dmitriy
> > > Pavlov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for
> > > services
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we
> don't
> > > have
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not some
> new
> > > feature,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and
> > > important
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton
> > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46,
> > > Vladimir
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to
> > perform
> > > the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then
> we
> > > wait a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > bit for
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and
> > > again, and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new
> > > features to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > come,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an
> agreement
> > > that if
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > feature is
> > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release,
> instead
> > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > shifting
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when
> decisions
> > > are made
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > to let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching
> > for
> > > enemy,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are
> > > hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill
> ticket
> > > details,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is
> not
> > > best
> > > > > >
> > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are
> > > there any
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of
> > > features to be
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > released
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle
> > > do-orcracy,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > power of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does
> > > review,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > let's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > right of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some
> closed
> > > club of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42
> > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about
> > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > before [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > implementation is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7,
> if
> > > we talk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready
> to
> > > merge
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers
> > Anton
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution
> > out
> > > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > scope or
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> 11:14
> > > PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during
> > WAL
> > > flush
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the
> > > current test
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 21:45,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrey
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new
> > bug
> > > in WAL
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > manager
> > > > > > > > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and
> can
> > > be a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 19:45,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's
> > > opinion to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to
> > > dates of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release,
> > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the
> > > community
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also
> > > concerned why
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the
> > list.
> > > But it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.
> в
> > > 19:33,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking
> > for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > enemies
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for
> > > "service"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> 2018
> > > at 7:30
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC
> > > Chair,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature they've
> > > been
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Otherwise,
> it
> > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release
> > > decisions need
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about
> > > Service
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Grid,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable
> > whether
> > > it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > gets
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > added to
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*,
> could
> > > you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > shed
> > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > light
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> > 2018
> > > at
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 9:12
> > > > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's wait
> > for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > feedback
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > from SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not ready, ok.
> > But
> > > I
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thought
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if
> I
> > > missed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion (it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to
> the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > statement
> > > > > > > "our
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suspect
> > some
> > > > > >
> > > > > > members
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not to
> discuss
> > > it on
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's build
> > > consensus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > first,
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC
> > > Chair,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент.
> 2018
> > > г. в
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 18:55,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>]

If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all these tickets
will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have" tickets in 2.7
and move the rest to 2.8.

D.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>
wrote:

> Igniters,
>
> Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without components:
>
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello, Igniters.
> >
> > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> >
> > It means:
> >
> > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
> > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE TO OCTOBER
> > 10*.
> > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version [1].
> > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1, *the
> > deadline is near :)*.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> >
> >
> >
> > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > Agree with Andrey.
> > >
> > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination detection, and
> > I'm
> > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet
> > important
> > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > >
> > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > >
> > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion about
> SG
> > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things before
> > agreement
> > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build agreements'
> > here. BTW
> > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal
> > place where
> > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be
> > building on
> > > > > the dev list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhikov@apache.org
> >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single chance
> > for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping
> hope
> > > > >
> > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving
> > consensus
> > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial
> > public
> > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we will
> > see it
> > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions with
> > other
> > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of efforts
> > will be
> > > > > >
> > > > > > put
> > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that
> > > > >
> > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals
> in
> > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is
> > simply a
> > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush
> > during
> > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad
> > features,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI 2.8
> > right
> > > > > >
> > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This
> simple
> > > > >
> > > > > action
> > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the
> > product, and
> > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat stabilization
> > effrots
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > > >
> > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in
> > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework
> > component
> > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the
> > base for
> > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month to
> > test
> > > > > >
> > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and
> > restart
> > > > >
> > > > > tests
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this
> > type of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable to
> > expect
> > > > > >
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a
> > commenter,
> > > > >
> > > > > like
> > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In
> > general, I'm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new
> > cool
> > > > > >
> > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the
> > year with
> > > > >
> > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in
> > discussion of
> > > > >
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid
> > redesign
> > > > >
> > > > > a
> > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both:
> > privately
> > > > >
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton
> > Vinogradov,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave
> > Vyacheslav
> > > > >
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the
> > beginning
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help *by
> > doing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is
> > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options
> > regarding
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new
> > cool
> > > > > >
> > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the
> > year with
> > > > >
> > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things
> can
> > > > >
> > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version
> > *when it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you
> > mention was
> > > > >
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying to
> > take
> > > > > >
> > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value
> > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no leaders
> > in open
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For
> > me, their
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an
> > > > >
> > > > > additional
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that
> > Service
> > > > >
> > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community
> > still did
> > > > > >
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not
> seen
> > any
> > > > > >
> > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the
> > Service Grid
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems
> out
> > of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should let
> > him
> > > > > >
> > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the
> > release is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
> > include/exclude
> > > > > >
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion with
> > results
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even
> if
> > we
> > > > >
> > > > > need
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so
> > fundamentally
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy
> Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not,
> > then we
> > > > > >
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force
> > them into
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all agreed
> > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did
> > not
> > > > >
> > > > > make
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of
> > scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir
> > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is
> up
> > to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy
> > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to
> discuss
> > after
> > > > > >
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir
> > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that
> > it is up
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release of
> > all
> > > > >
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy
> > Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for
> > services
> > > > > >
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't
> > have
> > > > > >
> > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not some new
> > feature,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and
> > important
> > > > > >
> > > > > > feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton
> and
> > > > >
> > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46,
> > Vladimir
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to
> perform
> > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > release
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we
> > wait a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bit for
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and
> > again, and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new
> > features to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > come,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement
> > that if
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > feature is
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead
> of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > shifting
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions
> > are made
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to let
> > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM
> > Dmitriy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching
> for
> > enemy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are
> > hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket
> > details,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not
> > best
> > > > >
> > > > > idea
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are
> > there any
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of
> > features to be
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > released
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle
> > do-orcracy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > power of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does
> > review,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > let's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > > > right of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed
> > club of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42
> > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about
> > Service Grid
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > before [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > implementation is
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if
> > we talk
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to
> > merge
> > > > >
> > > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers
> Anton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution
> out
> > of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > scope or
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14
> > PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during
> WAL
> > flush
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the
> > current test
> > > > > >
> > > > > > set
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> 21:45,
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrey
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new
> bug
> > in WAL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > manager
> > > > > > > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can
> > be a
> > > > >
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 19:45,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's
> > opinion to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to
> > dates of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release,
> > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the
> > community
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also
> > concerned why
> > > > > >
> > > > > > such
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the
> list.
> > But it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 19:33,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking
> for
> > > > >
> > > > > enemies
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for
> > "service"
> > > > >
> > > > > word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018
> > at 7:30
> > > > >
> > > > > PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC
> > Chair,
> > > > >
> > > > > could
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature they've
> > been
> > > > > >
> > > > > > working
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Otherwise, it
> > will be
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release
> > decisions need
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about
> > Service
> > > > >
> > > > > Grid,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable
> whether
> > it
> > > > >
> > > > > gets
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > added to
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*, could
> > you
> > > > >
> > > > > please
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > shed
> > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > light
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> 2018
> > at
> > > > >
> > > > > 9:12
> > > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's wait
> for
> > > > >
> > > > > feedback
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > from SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not ready, ok.
> But
> > I
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thought
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I
> > missed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion (it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the
> > > > >
> > > > > statement
> > > > > > "our
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suspect
> some
> > > > >
> > > > > members
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not to discuss
> > it on
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's build
> > consensus
> > > > >
> > > > > here
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > first,
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC
> > Chair,
> > > > >
> > > > > could
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> > г. в
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 18:55,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an
> > outcome of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > state
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never committed
> > to have
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Our goal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> > 2018 at
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 6:48
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you
> > please
> > > > > >
> > > > > > provide a
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > reference to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент.
> > 2018 г.
> > > > >
> > > > > в
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 18:46,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>]

Igniters,

Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without components:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hello, Igniters.
>
> I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
>
> It means:
>
> 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
> 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE TO OCTOBER
> 10*.
> So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version [1].
> So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1, *the
> deadline is near :)*.
>
> [1]
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
>
>
>
> В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > Agree with Andrey.
> >
> > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination detection, and
> I'm
> > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet
> important
> > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > >
> > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > >
> > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion about SG
> > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > >
> > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things before
> agreement
> > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build agreements'
> here. BTW
> > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > >
> > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal
> place where
> > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be
> building on
> > > > the dev list.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > >
> > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > >
> > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single chance
> for
> > > > >
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping hope
> > > >
> > > > alive.
> > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving
> consensus
> > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial
> public
> > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we will
> see it
> > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions with
> other
> > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of efforts
> will be
> > > > >
> > > > > put
> > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that
> > > >
> > > > pre-release
> > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals in
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > middle
> > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is
> simply a
> > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush
> during
> > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad
> features,
> > > > >
> > > > > which
> > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI 2.8
> right
> > > > >
> > > > > now?
> > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This simple
> > > >
> > > > action
> > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the
> product, and
> > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat stabilization
> effrots
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > >
> > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in
> phase 1,
> > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework
> component
> > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the
> base for
> > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > >
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month to
> test
> > > > >
> > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and
> restart
> > > >
> > > > tests
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this
> type of
> > > > >
> > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable to
> expect
> > > > >
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > >
> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a
> commenter,
> > > >
> > > > like
> > > > > me,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In
> general, I'm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new
> cool
> > > > >
> > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the
> year with
> > > >
> > > > SG
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in
> discussion of
> > > >
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid
> redesign
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both:
> privately
> > > >
> > > > with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton
> Vinogradov,
> > > > >
> > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave
> Vyacheslav
> > > >
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two.
> > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the
> beginning
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > > > next
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help *by
> doing
> > > > >
> > > > > things,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is
> here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options
> regarding
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new
> cool
> > > > >
> > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the
> year with
> > > >
> > > > SG
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things can
> > > >
> > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version
> *when it
> > > > >
> > > > > will
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you
> mention was
> > > >
> > > > not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying to
> take
> > > > >
> > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value
> Do-ocracy and
> > > > >
> > > > > power
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no leaders
> in open
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For
> me, their
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an
> > > >
> > > > additional
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that
> Service
> > > >
> > > > Grid
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community
> still did
> > > > >
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not seen
> any
> > > > >
> > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the
> Service Grid
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems out
> of
> > > > >
> > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should let
> him
> > > > >
> > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the
> release is
> > > > >
> > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release
> > > > >
> > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
> include/exclude
> > > > >
> > > > > something
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion with
> results
> > > > >
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even if
> we
> > > >
> > > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so
> fundamentally
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not,
> then we
> > > > >
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force
> them into
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all agreed
> on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov
> <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did
> not
> > > >
> > > > make
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of
> scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir
> Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up
> to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to discuss
> after
> > > > >
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir
> Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that
> it is up
> > > > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release of
> all
> > > >
> > > > other
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for
> services
> > > > >
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't
> have
> > > > >
> > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not some new
> feature,
> > > > >
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and
> important
> > > > >
> > > > > feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and
> > > >
> > > > Nikolay
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not
> > > > >
> > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46,
> Vladimir
> > > > >
> > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to perform
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > release
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we
> wait a
> > > > >
> > > > > bit for
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and
> again, and
> > > > >
> > > > > release
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new
> features to
> > > > >
> > > > > come,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement
> that if
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > feature is
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead of
> > > > >
> > > > > shifting
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions
> are made
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > to let
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM
> Dmitriy
> > > > >
> > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for
> enemy,
> > > > >
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are
> hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket
> details,
> > > > >
> > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not
> best
> > > >
> > > > idea
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are
> there any
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of
> features to be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > released
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle
> do-orcracy,
> > > > >
> > > > > power of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does
> review,
> > > > >
> > > > > let's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > > right of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed
> club of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42
> Vyacheslav
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about
> Service Grid
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > before [1]
> > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that
> > > > >
> > > > > implementation is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if
> we talk
> > > > >
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to
> merge
> > > >
> > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton
> > > > >
> > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out
> of
> > > > >
> > > > > scope or
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14
> PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL
> flush
> > > >
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the
> current test
> > > > >
> > > > > set
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45,
> > > >
> > > > Andrey
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug
> in WAL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > manager
> > > > > > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can
> be a
> > > >
> > > > good
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> 19:45,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's
> opinion to
> > > > >
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to
> dates of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release,
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the
> community
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also
> concerned why
> > > > >
> > > > > such
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list.
> But it
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> 19:33,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for
> > > >
> > > > enemies
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for
> "service"
> > > >
> > > > word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018
> at 7:30
> > > >
> > > > PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC
> Chair,
> > > >
> > > > could
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature they've
> been
> > > > >
> > > > > working
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Otherwise, it
> will be
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release
> decisions need
> > > > >
> > > > > to be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about
> Service
> > > >
> > > > Grid,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable whether
> it
> > > >
> > > > gets
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > added to
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*, could
> you
> > > >
> > > > please
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > shed
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > light
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018
> at
> > > >
> > > > 9:12
> > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's wait for
> > > >
> > > > feedback
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > from SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not ready, ok. But
> I
> > > > >
> > > > > thought
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I
> missed
> > > > >
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion (it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the
> > > >
> > > > statement
> > > > > "our
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suspect some
> > > >
> > > > members
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not to discuss
> it on
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's build
> consensus
> > > >
> > > > here
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > first,
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC
> Chair,
> > > >
> > > > could
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> г. в
> > > > >
> > > > > 18:55,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an
> outcome of
> > > > >
> > > > > current
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > state
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never committed
> to have
> > > > >
> > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > Our goal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> 2018 at
> > > > >
> > > > > 6:48
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you
> please
> > > > >
> > > > > provide a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > reference to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент.
> 2018 г.
> > > >
> > > > в
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 18:46,
> > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our current
> > > > >
> > > > > agreement is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > huge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature,
> which
> > > >
> > > > hasn't
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > entered
> > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stage
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> review/fix/test it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep
> 27,
> > > >
> > > > 2018
> > > > > at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6:32
> > > > > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree,
> and I
> > > > >
> > > > > prefer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > four
> > > > > > > > > > > weeks for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I
> understand
> > > >
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > correctly:
> > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it
> very
> > > > >
> > > > > important.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27
> сент. 2018
> > > > >
> > > > > г. в
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 18:28,
> > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org
> >

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>]

Hello, Igniters.

I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.

It means:

1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE TO OCTOBER 10*.
So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.

Thoughts?

For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version [1].
So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1, *the deadline is near :)*.

[1] 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20



В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> Agree with Andrey.
> 
> IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Igniters,
> > 
> > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination detection, and I'm
> > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet important
> > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > 
> > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > 
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > 
> > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:
> > 
> > > Folks,
> > > 
> > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion about SG
> > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > 
> > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things before agreement
> > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build agreements' here. BTW
> > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > 
> > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal place where
> > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be building on
> > > the dev list.
> > > 
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > 
> > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> > > 
> > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > 
> > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > 
> > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single chance for
> > > > 
> > > > Service
> > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping hope
> > > 
> > > alive.
> > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving consensus
> > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial public
> > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we will see it
> > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions with other
> > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of efforts will be
> > > > 
> > > > put
> > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that
> > > 
> > > pre-release
> > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals in the
> > > > 
> > > > middle
> > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is simply a
> > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush during
> > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad features,
> > > > 
> > > > which
> > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI 2.8 right
> > > > 
> > > > now?
> > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This simple
> > > 
> > > action
> > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the product, and
> > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat stabilization effrots
> > > > 
> > > > of
> > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > 
> > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in phase 1,
> > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework component
> > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the base for
> > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > 
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month to test
> > > > 
> > > > properly
> > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and restart
> > > 
> > > tests
> > > > on
> > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this type of
> > > > 
> > > > testing
> > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable to expect
> > > > 
> > > > this
> > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > 
> > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a commenter,
> > > 
> > > like
> > > > me,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In general, I'm
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool
> > > > 
> > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with
> > > 
> > > SG
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in discussion of
> > > 
> > > any
> > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid redesign
> > > 
> > > a
> > > > big
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both: privately
> > > 
> > > with
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton Vinogradov,
> > > > 
> > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave Vyacheslav
> > > 
> > > a
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two.
> > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the beginning
> > > 
> > > of
> > > > next
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help *by doing
> > > > 
> > > > things,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options regarding
> > > 
> > > of
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool
> > > > 
> > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with
> > > 
> > > SG
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things can
> > > 
> > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version *when it
> > > > 
> > > > will
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you mention was
> > > 
> > > not
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying to take
> > > > 
> > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value Do-ocracy and
> > > > 
> > > > power
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no leaders in open
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For me, their
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an
> > > 
> > > additional
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that Service
> > > 
> > > Grid
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community still did
> > > > 
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not seen any
> > > > 
> > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the Service Grid
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems out of
> > > > 
> > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should let him
> > > > 
> > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the release is
> > > > 
> > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release
> > > > 
> > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any include/exclude
> > > > 
> > > > something
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion with results
> > > > 
> > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even if we
> > > 
> > > need
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so fundamentally
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not, then we
> > > > 
> > > > should
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force them into
> > > > 
> > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all agreed on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did not
> > > 
> > > make
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to discuss after
> > > > 
> > > > their
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up
> > > > 
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release of all
> > > 
> > > other
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > 
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for services
> > > > 
> > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have
> > > > 
> > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not some new feature,
> > > > 
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and important
> > > > 
> > > > feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and
> > > 
> > > Nikolay
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not
> > > > 
> > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir
> > > > 
> > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to perform the
> > > > 
> > > > release
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a
> > > > 
> > > > bit for
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and again, and
> > > > 
> > > > release
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new features to
> > > > 
> > > > come,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > feature is
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead of
> > > > 
> > > > shifting
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made
> > > > 
> > > > is
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > to let
> > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy
> > > > 
> > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy,
> > > > 
> > > > and
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details,
> > > > 
> > > > can't
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best
> > > 
> > > idea
> > > > to
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > released
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy,
> > > > 
> > > > power of
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does review,
> > > > 
> > > > let's
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > right of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > before [1]
> > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that
> > > > 
> > > > implementation is
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk
> > > > 
> > > > that
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge
> > > 
> > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton
> > > > 
> > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of
> > > > 
> > > > scope or
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > 
> > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM
> > > > 
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush
> > > 
> > > is
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test
> > > > 
> > > > set
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45,
> > > 
> > > Andrey
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > manager
> > > > > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a
> > > 
> > > good
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45,
> > > > 
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to
> > > > 
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > release,
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why
> > > > 
> > > > such
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it
> > > > 
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for
> > > 
> > > enemies
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service"
> > > 
> > > word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30
> > > 
> > > PM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair,
> > > 
> > > could
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature they've been
> > > > 
> > > > working
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Otherwise, it will be
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release decisions need
> > > > 
> > > > to be
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about Service
> > > 
> > > Grid,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable whether it
> > > 
> > > gets
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > added to
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*, could you
> > > 
> > > please
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > shed
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > light
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> > > 
> > > 9:12
> > > > AM
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's wait for
> > > 
> > > feedback
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > from SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not ready, ok. But I
> > > > 
> > > > thought
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I missed
> > > > 
> > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > discussion (it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the
> > > 
> > > statement
> > > > "our
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suspect some
> > > 
> > > members
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not to discuss it on
> > > 
> > > the
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's build consensus
> > > 
> > > here
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > first,
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair,
> > > 
> > > could
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > > 
> > > > 18:55,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an outcome of
> > > > 
> > > > current
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > state
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never committed to have
> > > > 
> > > > it to
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > Our goal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> > > > 
> > > > 6:48
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please
> > > > 
> > > > provide a
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > reference to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.
> > > 
> > > в
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 18:46,
> > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our current
> > > > 
> > > > agreement is
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > huge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature, which
> > > 
> > > hasn't
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > entered
> > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > stage
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review/fix/test it
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> > > 
> > > 2018
> > > > at
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 6:32
> > > > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, and I
> > > > 
> > > > prefer
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > four
> > > > > > > > > > weeks for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I understand
> > > 
> > > it
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > correctly:
> > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it very
> > > > 
> > > > important.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> > > > 
> > > > г. в
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 18:28,
> > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for
> > > > 
> > > > clear
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > status.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm +1 for your
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > proposal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент.
> > > > 
> > > > 2018 г.,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 18:25
> > > > > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Huge +1 to
> > > 
> > > do a
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > 
> > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >   Andrey Kuznetsov.

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Andrey Gura <ag...@apache.org>]

Agree with Andrey.

IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Igniters,
>
> There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination detection, and I'm
> working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet important
> fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
>
> I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
>
> пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion about SG
> > inclusion to 2.7.
> >
> > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things before agreement
> > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build agreements' here. BTW
> > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> >
> > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal place where
> > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be building on
> > the dev list.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > Hello, guys.
> > >
> > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > >
> > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single chance for
> > > Service
> > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping hope
> > alive.
> > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving consensus
> > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial public
> > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we will see it
> > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions with other
> > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of efforts will be
> > > put
> > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that
> > pre-release
> > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals in the
> > > middle
> > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is simply a
> > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > >
> > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush during
> > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad features,
> > > which
> > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > >
> > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI 2.8 right
> > > now?
> > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This simple
> > action
> > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the product, and
> > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat stabilization effrots
> > > of
> > > > other contributors.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > >
> > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in phase 1,
> > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > > > >
> > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework component
> > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the base for
> > > > > new features.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month to test
> > > properly
> > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and restart
> > tests
> > > on
> > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this type of
> > > testing
> > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable to expect
> > > this
> > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > D.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a commenter,
> > like
> > > me,
> > > > >
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In general, I'm
> > > > >
> > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool
> > > features.
> > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with
> > SG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > >
> > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in discussion of
> > any
> > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid redesign
> > a
> > > big
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both: privately
> > with
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton Vinogradov,
> > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave Vyacheslav
> > a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two.
> > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the beginning
> > of
> > > next
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help *by doing
> > > things,
> > > > >
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is here [1]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options regarding
> > of
> > > > >
> > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool
> > > features.
> > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with
> > SG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things can
> > happen.
> > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version *when it
> > > will
> > > > >
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you mention was
> > not
> > > > >
> > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying to take
> > > over the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value Do-ocracy and
> > > power
> > > > >
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no leaders in open
> > > > >
> > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For me, their
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an
> > additional
> > > > >
> > > > > release
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that Service
> > Grid
> > > > >
> > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community still did
> > > not
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not seen any
> > > design
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the Service Grid
> > > > >
> > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems out of
> > > question
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should let him
> > > drive the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the release is
> > > going
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release
> > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any include/exclude
> > > something
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion with results
> > > of the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even if we
> > need
> > > to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days more.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so fundamentally
> > > > >
> > > > > important
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not, then we
> > > should
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force them into
> > > 2.7.
> > > > >
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all agreed on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did not
> > make
> > > any
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to
> > > > >
> > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to discuss after
> > > their
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up
> > > to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release of all
> > other
> > > > >
> > > > > features
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for services
> > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have
> > > outside
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not some new feature,
> > > which
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and important
> > > feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and
> > Nikolay
> > > to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not
> > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir
> > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to perform the
> > > release
> > > > >
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a
> > > bit for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and again, and
> > > release
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new features to
> > > come,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if
> > > > >
> > > > > feature is
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead of
> > > shifting
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made
> > > is
> > > > >
> > > > > to let
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy
> > > Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy,
> > > and
> > > > >
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details,
> > > can't
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best
> > idea
> > > to
> > > > >
> > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any
> > > > >
> > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be
> > > > >
> > > > > released
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy,
> > > power of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does review,
> > > let's
> > > > >
> > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > right of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of
> > > > >
> > > > > people
> > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav
> > > > >
> > > > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid
> > > > >
> > > > > before [1]
> > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that
> > > implementation is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk
> > > that
> > > > >
> > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge
> > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton
> > > Vinogradov
> > > > >
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of
> > > scope or
> > > > >
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush
> > is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test
> > > set
> > > > >
> > > > > did
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45,
> > Andrey
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL
> > > > >
> > > > > manager
> > > > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a
> > good
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45,
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to
> > > be
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of
> > > > >
> > > > > release,
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community
> > > > >
> > > > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why
> > > such
> > > > >
> > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it
> > > is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33,
> > > > >
> > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for
> > enemies
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service"
> > word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30
> > PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair,
> > could
> > > you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > >
> > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature they've been
> > > working
> > > > >
> > > > > on.
> > > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Otherwise, it will be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release decisions need
> > > to be
> > > > >
> > > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about Service
> > Grid,
> > > > >
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable whether it
> > gets
> > > > >
> > > > > added to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*, could you
> > please
> > > > >
> > > > > shed
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > light
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> > 9:12
> > > AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's wait for
> > feedback
> > > > >
> > > > > from SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not ready, ok. But I
> > > thought
> > > > >
> > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I missed
> > > some
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > discussion (it
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the
> > statement
> > > "our
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suspect some
> > members
> > > are
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > sort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not to discuss it on
> > the
> > > > >
> > > > > list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's build consensus
> > here
> > > > >
> > > > > first,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair,
> > could
> > > you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > > >
> > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 18:55,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an outcome of
> > > current
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > state
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never committed to have
> > > it to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > Our goal
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> > > 6:48
> > > > >
> > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please
> > > provide a
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > reference to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.
> > в
> > > > >
> > > > > 18:46,
> > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our current
> > > agreement is
> > > > >
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > huge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature, which
> > hasn't
> > > > >
> > > > > entered
> > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > stage
> > > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review/fix/test it
> > > > >
> > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> > 2018
> > > at
> > > > >
> > > > > 6:32
> > > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, and I
> > > prefer
> > > > >
> > > > > four
> > > > > > > > > weeks for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I understand
> > it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > correctly:
> > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it very
> > > important.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> > > г. в
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 18:28,
> > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for
> > > clear
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > status.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm +1 for your
> > > > >
> > > > > proposal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент.
> > > 2018 г.,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 18:25
> > > > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Huge +1 to
> > do a
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey
> > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>   Andrey Kuznetsov.

Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>]

Igniters,

There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination detection, and I'm
working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet important
fix [2], this one is ready to merge.

I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723

пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>:

> Folks,
>
> We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion about SG
> inclusion to 2.7.
>
> For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things before agreement
> on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build agreements' here. BTW
> such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
>
> Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal place where
> discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be building on
> the dev list.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
>
> > Hello, guys.
> >
> > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> >
> > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single chance for
> > Service
> > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping hope
> alive.
> > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving consensus
> > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial public
> > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we will see it
> > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions with other
> > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of efforts will be
> > put
> > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that
> pre-release
> > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals in the
> > middle
> > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is simply a
> > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > >
> > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush during
> > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad features,
> > which
> > > makes damage to the project.
> > >
> > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI 2.8 right
> > now?
> > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This simple
> action
> > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the product, and
> > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat stabilization effrots
> > of
> > > other contributors.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >
> > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in phase 1,
> > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > >
> > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > > >
> > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework component
> > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the base for
> > > > new features.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > - versioning
> > > > >
> > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month to test
> > properly
> > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and restart
> tests
> > on
> > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this type of
> > testing
> > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable to expect
> > this
> > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > >
> > > > > D.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a commenter,
> like
> > me,
> > > >
> > > > for
> > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In general, I'm
> > > >
> > > > fully for
> > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool
> > features.
> > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with
> SG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > >
> > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in discussion of
> any
> > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid redesign
> a
> > big
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both: privately
> with
> > > >
> > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton Vinogradov,
> > Denis
> > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave Vyacheslav
> a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two.
> > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the beginning
> of
> > next
> > > > > >
> > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help *by doing
> > things,
> > > >
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is here [1]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options regarding
> of
> > > >
> > > > release
> > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool
> > features.
> > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with
> SG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things can
> happen.
> > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version *when it
> > will
> > > >
> > > > be
> > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you mention was
> not
> > > >
> > > > named
> > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying to take
> > over the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value Do-ocracy and
> > power
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no leaders in open
> > > >
> > > > source,
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For me, their
> > > > > >
> > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an
> additional
> > > >
> > > > release
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that Service
> Grid
> > > >
> > > > changes
> > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community still did
> > not
> > > > > >
> > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not seen any
> > design
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the Service Grid
> > > >
> > > > changes
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems out of
> > question
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should let him
> > drive the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the release is
> > going
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release
> > dates-pushing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any include/exclude
> > something
> > > > > >
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion with results
> > of the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even if we
> need
> > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days more.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so fundamentally
> > > >
> > > > important
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not, then we
> > should
> > > > > >
> > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force them into
> > 2.7.
> > > >
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all agreed on.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did not
> make
> > any
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to
> > > >
> > > > *community*
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to discuss after
> > their
> > > > > >
> > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up
> > to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release of all
> other
> > > >
> > > > features
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov
> <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for services
> > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have
> > outside
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not some new feature,
> > which
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and important
> > feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and
> Nikolay
> > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not
> > ready/ready to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir
> > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to perform the
> > release
> > > >
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a
> > bit for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and again, and
> > release
> > > > > >
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new features to
> > come,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if
> > > >
> > > > feature is
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead of
> > shifting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made
> > is
> > > >
> > > > to let
> > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy
> > Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy,
> > and
> > > >
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details,
> > can't
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wait
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best
> idea
> > to
> > > >
> > > > use
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any
> > > >
> > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be
> > > >
> > > > released
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy,
> > power of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does review,
> > let's
> > > >
> > > > give
> > > > > > > > right of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of
> > > >
> > > > people
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav
> > > >
> > > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid
> > > >
> > > > before [1]
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that
> > implementation is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk
> > that
> > > >
> > > > code
> > > > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge
> yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton
> > Vinogradov
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of
> > scope or
> > > >
> > > > not
> > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM
> > Dmitriy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush
> is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test
> > set
> > > >
> > > > did
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45,
> Andrey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL
> > > >
> > > > manager
> > > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a
> good
> > > > > >
> > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45,
> > Dmitriy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to
> > be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of
> > > >
> > > > release,
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community
> > > >
> > > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why
> > such
> > > >
> > > > a big
> > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it
> > is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33,
> > > >
> > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for
> enemies
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just
> > > > > > > > > > > > went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service"
> word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30
> PM
> > > >
> > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair,
> could
> > you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > >
> > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when
> > > > > >
> > > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature they've been
> > working
> > > >
> > > > on.
> > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Otherwise, it will be
> > > > > >
> > > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release decisions need
> > to be
> > > >
> > > > done
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about Service
> Grid,
> > > >
> > > > there
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable whether it
> gets
> > > >
> > > > added to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*, could you
> please
> > > >
> > > > shed
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > light
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> 9:12
> > AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's wait for
> feedback
> > > >
> > > > from SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not ready, ok. But I
> > thought
> > > >
> > > > it is
> > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I missed
> > some
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > discussion (it
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the
> statement
> > "our
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suspect some
> members
> > are
> > > > > >
> > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > sort
> > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not to discuss it on
> the
> > > >
> > > > list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's build consensus
> here
> > > >
> > > > first,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair,
> could
> > you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > control,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is
> > > >
> > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 18:55,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an outcome of
> > current
> > > > > >
> > > > > > state
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never committed to have
> > it to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > Our goal
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> > 6:48
> > > >
> > > > PM
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please
> > provide a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > reference to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.
> в
> > > >
> > > > 18:46,
> > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our current
> > agreement is
> > > >
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > huge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature, which
> hasn't
> > > >
> > > > entered
> > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > stage
> > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review/fix/test it
> > > >
> > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> 2018
> > at
> > > >
> > > > 6:32
> > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, and I
> > prefer
> > > >
> > > > four
> > > > > > > > weeks for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I understand
> it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > correctly:
> > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it very
> > important.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> > г. в
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 18:28,
> > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for
> > clear
> > > > > >
> > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > status.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm +1 for your
> > > >
> > > > proposal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент.
> > 2018 г.,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 18:25
> > > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznetsov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Huge +1 to
> do a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey
> > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > >
> >
>


-- 
Best regards,
  Andrey Kuznetsov.