hadoop versions and HBase 0.92 Was: proper pace for JIRA integration

[Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com>]

Roman/Andy:
I think the following discussion is very helpful.

Please keep the on-going discussion to public.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Yeah, DoA is harsh, when I meant more like "abandoned at release".
> Similar to 0.21.
> >
> > Well that is my question, really. Is it?
>
> Personally, I don't remember 0.21 being deployed anywhere in
> production (I could be
> wrong and would love to be corrected). With 0.22 there's at least EBay
> and one other
> reasonably big shop I know of that will be deploying it to production
> clusters.
> Thus, IMHO, they are not similar in that regard.
>
> > We've heard that CDH4 is going to be start from something a lot closer
> to 0.23 than 0.22,
> > that Hortonworks is committed to 0.23. It seems 0.23 is the future, and
> a RC may be
> > happening as early as the end of this year, i.e. in the next month or so.
> >
> > Given recent history and the above described commitments, I think there
> is confusion about where/if 0.22 fits in.
> > People will work on what inspires them, but it seems the center of
> gravity has already moved beyond 0.22.
> > Is that a fair statement?
>
> From my point of view, it will be fair to call 0.22 a *stable* stop
> gap release before
> 0.23 matures. How long does the window of exposure for 0.22 last? Your
> guess is
> as good as mine. At times I wish that HDFS and MR2 release work in .23
> were done
> as different projects. Take it with a grain of salt, but I believe
> that MR2 will be holding
> .23 back in terms of  deployment.
>
> So here's the bottom line the way I see it: the worst that could
> happen to an OS project
> is to be a hostage of a NEXT great thing (KDE and other examples come to
> mind
> readily). When Hadoop 0.23 will be stable enough -- it will surely
> obsolete .22, in
> the meantime we will have .22 to fill the gap.
>
> > Then I'm sure the eBay guys will have that interest. :-)
>
> That's the beauty of Open Source. On the other hand, since you asked a
> "community"
> question I was compelled to point out that there would be a reasonably
> sizable community
> running .22/HBase.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> P.S. Sorry for making this thread longer than it had to be. Lets take
> it off-list from this reply on.
>

Re: hadoop versions and HBase 0.92 Was: proper pace for JIRA integration

[Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>]

Hi Ted,

I have nothing further to add.

Thanks to Roman for the perspective.
 
Best regards,


   - Andy

Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein (via Tom White)


----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@hbase.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 3:37 PM
> Subject: hadoop versions and HBase 0.92 Was: proper pace for JIRA integration
> 
> Roman/Andy:
> I think the following discussion is very helpful.
> 
> Please keep the on-going discussion to public.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>>  Andrew,
>> 
>>  On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
>>  wrote:
>>  > Yeah, DoA is harsh, when I meant more like "abandoned at 
> release".
>>  Similar to 0.21.
>>  >
>>  > Well that is my question, really. Is it?
>> 
>>  Personally, I don't remember 0.21 being deployed anywhere in
>>  production (I could be
>>  wrong and would love to be corrected). With 0.22 there's at least EBay
>>  and one other
>>  reasonably big shop I know of that will be deploying it to production
>>  clusters.
>>  Thus, IMHO, they are not similar in that regard.
>> 
>>  > We've heard that CDH4 is going to be start from something a lot 
> closer
>>  to 0.23 than 0.22,
>>  > that Hortonworks is committed to 0.23. It seems 0.23 is the future, 
> and
>>  a RC may be
>>  > happening as early as the end of this year, i.e. in the next month or 
> so.
>>  >
>>  > Given recent history and the above described commitments, I think 
> there
>>  is confusion about where/if 0.22 fits in.
>>  > People will work on what inspires them, but it seems the center of
>>  gravity has already moved beyond 0.22.
>>  > Is that a fair statement?
>> 
>>  From my point of view, it will be fair to call 0.22 a *stable* stop
>>  gap release before
>>  0.23 matures. How long does the window of exposure for 0.22 last? Your
>>  guess is
>>  as good as mine. At times I wish that HDFS and MR2 release work in .23
>>  were done
>>  as different projects. Take it with a grain of salt, but I believe
>>  that MR2 will be holding
>>  .23 back in terms of  deployment.
>> 
>>  So here's the bottom line the way I see it: the worst that could
>>  happen to an OS project
>>  is to be a hostage of a NEXT great thing (KDE and other examples come to
>>  mind
>>  readily). When Hadoop 0.23 will be stable enough -- it will surely
>>  obsolete .22, in
>>  the meantime we will have .22 to fill the gap.
>> 
>>  > Then I'm sure the eBay guys will have that interest. :-)
>> 
>>  That's the beauty of Open Source. On the other hand, since you asked a
>>  "community"
>>  question I was compelled to point out that there would be a reasonably
>>  sizable community
>>  running .22/HBase.
>> 
>>  Thanks,
>>  Roman.
>> 
>>  P.S. Sorry for making this thread longer than it had to be. Lets take
>>  it off-list from this reply on.
>> 
>