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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Endre Stølsvik <En...@Stolsvik.com> on 2002/05/01 12:45:08 UTC
Re: Trademarks, copyright etc
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
| "dion@multitask.com.au" <di...@multitask.com.au> wrote:
|
| > Does anyone have pointers as to how we can use the project names legally in
| > our work, e.g. we do consulting using Apache Ant, Apache Struts etc. Do
| > there need to be (tm)s there? Are the project names trademarked,
| > copyrighted etc?
|
| AFAIK, the only name having an official (TM) is only "Apache" per se, but
| you might want to contact the Apache Software Foundation "legal department"
| (aka, Ken) at <ma...@apache.org> who usually deals with all this
| "crap".
What's the difference between (R) and (TM) ?
I had an idea about (R) being the thing you had to pay to get, like
_register_ the name, while (TM) just meant that "Hey, I'M using this name,
so please back off!".
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Re: Trademarks, copyright etc
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Peter Donald wrote:
> Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:13:47 +1000
> From: Peter Donald <pe...@apache.org>
> Reply-To: Jakarta General List <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: Jakarta General List <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Trademarks, copyright etc
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 2 May 2002 08:41, Hans Bergsten wrote:
> > Related to this, I was just asked what formal names we should use for
> > Jakarta subproject products, say Struts, in books and articles. Is it:
> > a) Apache Jakarta Struts
> > b) Apache Struts
> > c) Jakarta Struts
> >
> > I have a feeling it's a) but the other forms also seem reasonable.
>
> FWIW I tend to use (b) when discussing them and if I want to get in jakarta it
> would be something like
>
> Apache Struts at Jakarta
>
> Jakarta is just the container where Stuts is hosted while Apache are the
> "real" owners
>
I use (b) as well when I describe our subprojects.
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>
> Peter Donald
Craig McClanahan
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Re: Trademarks, copyright etc
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, 2 May 2002 08:41, Hans Bergsten wrote:
> Related to this, I was just asked what formal names we should use for
> Jakarta subproject products, say Struts, in books and articles. Is it:
> a) Apache Jakarta Struts
> b) Apache Struts
> c) Jakarta Struts
>
> I have a feeling it's a) but the other forms also seem reasonable.
FWIW I tend to use (b) when discussing them and if I want to get in jakarta it
would be something like
Apache Struts at Jakarta
Jakarta is just the container where Stuts is hosted while Apache are the
"real" owners
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Re: Trademarks, copyright etc
Posted by Hans Bergsten <ha...@gefionsoftware.com>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> [...]
> TradeMarks can be registered or not. Registered trademarks are easier to
> defend in court and the "Apache" name would be an example of one I guess.
> However other names like Ant, Tomcat etc could still be considered trademarks
> (if we treated them as such and went after people who mis-used them) however
> they are much harder to enforce and require a much more active defense. At
> least thats what I vaguely recall but I could be wrong :)
This matches my understanding as well, with the addition that only
registered trademarks cost real money (you may have to pay legal fees
to fight for your unregistered trademark later, but that's another
story).
Related to this, I was just asked what formal names we should use for
Jakarta subproject products, say Struts, in books and articles. Is it:
a) Apache Jakarta Struts
b) Apache Struts
c) Jakarta Struts
I have a feeling it's a) but the other forms also seem reasonable.
Hans--
Hans Bergsten hans@gefionsoftware.com
Gefion Software http://www.gefionsoftware.com
JavaServer Pages http://TheJSPBook.com
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Re: Trademarks, copyright etc
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 1 May 2002 20:45, Endre Stølsvik wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> | "dion@multitask.com.au" <di...@multitask.com.au> wrote:
> | > Does anyone have pointers as to how we can use the project names
> | > legally in our work, e.g. we do consulting using Apache Ant, Apache
> | > Struts etc. Do there need to be (tm)s there? Are the project names
> | > trademarked, copyrighted etc?
> |
> | AFAIK, the only name having an official (TM) is only "Apache" per se, but
> | you might want to contact the Apache Software Foundation "legal
> | department" (aka, Ken) at <ma...@apache.org> who usually deals
> | with all this "crap".
>
> What's the difference between (R) and (TM) ?
>
> I had an idea about (R) being the thing you had to pay to get, like
> _register_ the name, while (TM) just meant that "Hey, I'M using this name,
> so please back off!".
TradeMarks can be registered or not. Registered trademarks are easier to
defend in court and the "Apache" name would be an example of one I guess.
However other names like Ant, Tomcat etc could still be considered trademarks
(if we treated them as such and went after people who mis-used them) however
they are much harder to enforce and require a much more active defense. At
least thats what I vaguely recall but I could be wrong :)
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