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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by Max Bowsher <ma...@ukf.net> on 2005/11/16 16:31:30 UTC
Tarball naming (-nodeps or -withdeps)
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I think we should, instead of producing tarballs named:
subversion-1.3.0-nodeps.tar.bz2
subversion-1.3.0.tar.bz2
... we should produce tarballs named:
subversion-1.3.0.tar.bz2
subversion-1.3.0-withdeps.tar.bz2
This accomplishes two things:
(1) Shifts the emphasis on which is the primary version to the
without-deps version - i.e. what we produce, rather than what we
produce, plus an assortment of other stuff people could really easily
get separately.
(2) I'd like to hope that at some point in the future, we could stop
shipping dependencies entirely. When this happens, it will be less
confusing if we can simply stop shipping -withdeps tarballs, rather than
stopping shipping -nodeps tarballs whilst then changing the content of
the 'plain' tarballs to not contain deps.
Max.
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Re: Tarball naming (-nodeps or -withdeps)
Posted by Nicolás Lichtmaier <ni...@reloco.com.ar>.
>... we should produce tarballs named:
>
>subversion-1.3.0.tar.bz2
>subversion-1.3.0-withdeps.tar.bz2
>
>
Why not?
subversion-1.3.0.tar.bz2
subversion-1.3.0-deps.tar.bz2
I mean: Package the dependencies in a separate tarfile, so that if
someone downloads the first, it can easily download the other one and
untar over the old. And this way you don't have duplicate files.
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Re: Tarball naming (-nodeps or -withdeps)
Posted by Max Bowsher <ma...@ukf.net>.
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Branko Čibej wrote:
> Max Bowsher wrote:
>
>> (2) I'd like to hope that at some point in the future, we could stop
>> shipping dependencies entirely.
>
> 99.9% of Windows boxes where people want to build Subversion won't have
> APR installed. 100% of Windows boxes where people want to build
> Subversion must have APR sources, because the Windows build (currently)
> needs them.
>
> Not that this can't be changed, just pointing out the realities.
Yes, definitely, but APR(-util) and Neon are merely 3 items on a *long*
list of dependencies that the Windows build requires. It doesn't seem to
make much sense to ship those inside the tarball, when we don't ship
zlib, OpenSSL, etc. inside the tarball.
Max.
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Re: Tarball naming (-nodeps or -withdeps)
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@xbc.nu>.
Max Bowsher wrote:
> (2) I'd like to hope that at some point in the future, we could stop
> shipping dependencies entirely.
99.9% of Windows boxes where people want to build Subversion won't have
APR installed. 100% of Windows boxes where people want to build
Subversion must have APR sources, because the Windows build (currently)
needs them.
Not that this can't be changed, just pointing out the realities.
-- Brane
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Re: Tarball naming (-nodeps or -withdeps)
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@btopenworld.com>.
Julian Foad wrote:
> As for the Windows version, where apparently the deps are almost always
> wanted, I suggest just producing one tarball which has the deps (don't
[...]
Oops - you probably already do that. I got the wrong end of the stick reading
Brane's message.
- Julian
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Re: Tarball naming (-nodeps or -withdeps)
Posted by Max Bowsher <ma...@ukf.net>.
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Julian Foad wrote:
> Max Bowsher wrote:
>
>>
>> I think we should, instead of producing tarballs named:
>>
>> subversion-1.3.0-nodeps.tar.bz2
>> subversion-1.3.0.tar.bz2
>>
>> ... we should produce tarballs named:
>>
>> subversion-1.3.0.tar.bz2
>> subversion-1.3.0-withdeps.tar.bz2
>>
>>
>> This accomplishes two things:
>
>
> +1.
>
> As for the Windows version, where apparently the deps are almost always
> wanted, I suggest just producing one tarball which has the deps (don't
> know whether its name should indicate that) and not producing a version
> without deps. (There's no point in producing and testing an extra
> version just for symmetry or theoretical niceness if it's hardly ever
> going to be used.)
Totally agree.
1.3.0rc2 has both flavours of the zipfile. I think that isn't worth doing.
Max.
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Re: Tarball naming (-nodeps or -withdeps)
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@btopenworld.com>.
Max Bowsher wrote:
>
> I think we should, instead of producing tarballs named:
>
> subversion-1.3.0-nodeps.tar.bz2
> subversion-1.3.0.tar.bz2
>
> ... we should produce tarballs named:
>
> subversion-1.3.0.tar.bz2
> subversion-1.3.0-withdeps.tar.bz2
>
>
> This accomplishes two things:
+1.
As for the Windows version, where apparently the deps are almost always wanted,
I suggest just producing one tarball which has the deps (don't know whether its
name should indicate that) and not producing a version without deps. (There's
no point in producing and testing an extra version just for symmetry or
theoretical niceness if it's hardly ever going to be used.)
- Julian
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