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[D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
GitHub user Asquator created a discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
The way critical section works now is:
1. Fire a `select` query and get at most `max_tis` task instances to schedule
2. Loop over tasks to check concurrency limits and find tasks eligible to scheduling
3. If at least one task instance is found, exit and send the good task to executors
4. Otherwise, update `starved_` filters and try again
The third step can cause any amount of tasks to be dropped due to concurrency limits (as long as there is at least one ready task found), and only a few tasks will survive. At the same time, ready tasks will queue up in the table without getting the chance to run. This can cause to tasks being starved for a long time in edge cases like almost-starved prioritized pools, as pointed out here:
https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/45636
We have to rethink the scheduler logic (the query or the loop altogether) to avoid this kind of starvation.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
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Closing to keep the discussion in one place.
Please continue in https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/49508
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-13074276
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a comment on the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
A good point is to clarify the ultimate goal we're striving to achieve. So far, always picking `max_tis` tasks when it's possible sounds sane, as there is no obvious reason to not schedule a ready task. Or is there? If there is such reason, we have to state that explicitly.
Currently, the reasons for dropping tasks are the [following filters](https://github.com/apache/airflow/blob/1781dc9d5fcbb93bce7018a4050ddd36ec1a65d5/airflow-core/src/airflow/jobs/scheduler_job_runner.py#L339C9-L341C81):
```py
starved_dags: set[str] = set()
starved_tasks: set[tuple[str, str]] = set()
starved_tasks_task_dagrun_concurrency: set[tuple[str, str, str]] = set()
```
Note that they are set to be empty, and only updated dynamically for the "rare" case that we will get to the second iteration. One of them is an exception:
```py
starved_pools = {pool_name for pool_name, stats in pools.items() if stats["open"] <= 0}
```
As we check some edge case of a fully-occupied pool. It doesn't really matter, as each task specifies its own priority, and the weights are unrelated to pools or any other concurrency limit in our model. In certain configurations this condition will be always unmet (assume sum(task.pool_slots) != pool["total_slots"] for some pool), so `starved_pools` joins the party.
Now we get at least 4 conditions that cause tasks to be dropped. We can enhance the query to window over every possible filter (or some subset of them) and avoid looping at all, knowing that the query returns just the good tasks, though windowing over numerical values may get us into cardinality issues and slow SQL performance.
To explain it better, look at the following scenario:
Dag A - 10000 tasks with concurrency 5
Dag B - 10 tasks with concurrency 10
Same pool, same priority
In the first scheduler iteration, 5 tasks from Dag A are scheduled, `max_tis - 5` are dropped. In subsequent iterations, we'll have the chance to schedule tasks from Dag B. With current implementation, assuming one A slot is freed up in every scheduler run, and if we window just by pool and priority but not the concurrency, the chance of picking B tasks will be small and we'll spin several hundreds of iterations, dropping A tasks and waiting for random mercy, while technically being able to schedule B tasks. The phenomenon can also occur if we have a DAG with low `max_active_tis_per_dagrun` firing a lot of mapped tasks, most of which will be dropped over next loop runs.
Dropped tasks inevitably cause delays in scheduling, and despite Airflow not being a real time system, this effect doesn't look like a desirable one, having a plenty of reproducible edge cases which occur in real data systems. I wonder if there is an agreement on `max_tis == desired_tis` (at least logically) in the community, so we can formally model the desired mechanism.
The main problem here is the inability of the scheduling mechanism to handle all the concurrency policies right due to task dropping and wasting critical sections. Currently the only practical solution is to increase the number of schedulers until we bump into the bottleneck of the critical section which won't be capable to withstand the heavy load. We can try to compute the `starved_` filters before the `select` query (which is basically windowing), instead of detecting them each time after the query is fired.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12820540
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
The way critical section works now is:
1. Fire a `select` query and get at most `max_tis` task instances to schedule
2. Loop over tasks to check concurrency limits and find tasks eligible to scheduling
3. If at least one task instance is found, exit and send the good tasks to executors
4. Otherwise, update `starved_` filters and try again
The third step can cause any amount of tasks to be dropped due to concurrency limits (as long as there is at least one ready task found), and only few tasks will survive. At the same time, ready tasks will queue up in the table without getting the chance to run. This can cause tasks being starved for a long time in edge cases like almost full prioritized pools, as pointed out here:
https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/45636
We have to rethink the scheduler logic (the query or the loop altogether) to avoid this kind of starvation.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
The way critical section works now is:
1. Fire a `select` query and get at most `max_tis` task instances to schedule
2. Loop over tasks to check concurrency limits and find tasks eligible to scheduling
3. If at least one task instance is found, exit and send the good tasks to executors
4. Otherwise, update `starved_` filters and try again
The third step can cause any amount of tasks to be dropped due to concurrency limits (as long as there is at least one ready task found), and only few tasks will survive. At the same time, ready tasks will queue up in the table without getting the chance to run. This can cause tasks to starve for a long time in edge cases like almost full prioritized pools, as pointed out here:
https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/45636
We have to rethink the scheduler logic (the query or the loop altogether) to avoid this kind of starvation.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a comment on the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
A good point is to clarify the ultimate goal we're striving to achieve. So far, always picking `max_tis` tasks when it's possible sounds sane, as there is no obvious reason to not schedule a ready task. Or is there? If there is such reason, we have to state that explicitly.
Currently, the reasons for dropping tasks are the [following filters](https://github.com/apache/airflow/blob/1781dc9d5fcbb93bce7018a4050ddd36ec1a65d5/airflow-core/src/airflow/jobs/scheduler_job_runner.py#L339C9-L341C81):
```py
starved_dags: set[str] = set()
starved_tasks: set[tuple[str, str]] = set()
starved_tasks_task_dagrun_concurrency: set[tuple[str, str, str]] = set()
```
Note that they are set to be empty, and only updated dynamically for the "rare" case that we will get to the second iteration. One of them is an exception:
```py
starved_pools = {pool_name for pool_name, stats in pools.items() if stats["open"] <= 0}
```
As we check some edge case of a fully-occupied pool. It doesn't really matter, as each task specifies its own priority, and the weights are unrelated to pools or any other concurrency limit in our model. In certain configurations this condition will be always unmet (assume sum(task.pool_slots) != pool["total_slots"] for some pool), so `starved_pools` joins the party.
Now we get at least 4 conditions that cause tasks to be dropped. We can enhance the query to window over every possible filter (or some subset of them) and avoid looping at all, knowing that the query returns just the good tasks, though windowing over numerical values may get us into cardinality issues and slow SQL performance.
To explain it better, look at the following scenario:
Dag A - 10000 tasks with concurrency 5
Dag B - 10 tasks with concurrency 10
Same pool, same priority
In the first scheduler iteration, 5 tasks from Dag A are scheduled, `max_tis - 5` are dropped. In subsequent iterations, we'll have the chance to schedule tasks from Dag B. With current implementation, assuming one A slot is freed up in every scheduler run, and if we window just by pool and priority but not the concurrency, the chance of picking B tasks will be small and we'll spin several hundreds of iterations, dropping A tasks and waiting for random mercy, while technically being able to schedule B tasks. The phenomenon can also occur if we have a DAG with low `max_active_tis_per_dagrun` firing a lot of mapped tasks, most of which will be dropped over next loop runs.
Dropped tasks inevitably cause delays in scheduling, and despite Airflow not being a real time system, this effect doesn't look like a desirable one, having a plenty of reproducible edge cases which occur in real data systems. I wonder if there is an agreement on `max_tis == desired_tis` (at least logically) in the community, so we can formally model the desired mechanism.
The main problem here is the inability of the scheduling mechanism to handle all the concurrency policies right due to task dropping and wasting critical sections. Currently the only practical solution is to increase the number of schedulers until we bump into the bottleneck of the critical section which won't be capable to withstand the heavy load. We can try to compute the `starved_` filters before the main query (which is basically windowing), instead of detecting them each time after the query is fired.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12820540
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator closed a discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
The way critical section works now is:
1. Fire a `select` query and get at most `max_tis` task instances to schedule
2. Loop over tasks to check concurrency limits and find tasks eligible to scheduling
3. If at least one task instance is found, exit and send the good tasks to executors
4. Otherwise, update `starved_` filters and try again
The third step can cause any amount of tasks to be dropped due to concurrency limits (as long as there is at least one ready task found), and only few tasks will survive. At the same time, ready tasks will queue up in the table without getting the chance to run. This can cause tasks to starve for a long time in edge cases like almost full prioritized pools, as pointed out here:
https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/45636
We have to rethink the scheduler logic (the query or the loop altogether) to avoid this kind of starvation.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
The way critical section works now is:
1. Fire a `select` query and get at most `max_tis` task instances to schedule
2. Loop over tasks to check concurrency limits and find tasks eligible to scheduling
3. If at least one task instance is found, exit and send the good tasks to executors
4. Otherwise, update `starved_` filters and try again
The third step can cause any amount of tasks to be dropped due to concurrency limits (as long as there is at least one ready task found), and only a few tasks will survive. At the same time, ready tasks will queue up in the table without getting the chance to run. This can cause to tasks being starved for a long time in edge cases like almost-starved prioritized pools, as pointed out here:
https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/45636
We have to rethink the scheduler logic (the query or the loop altogether) to avoid this kind of starvation.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
The way critical section works now is:
1. Fire a `select` query and get at most `max_tis` task instances to schedule
2. Loop over tasks to check concurrency limits and find tasks eligible to scheduling
3. If at least one task instance is found, exit and send the good tasks to executors
4. Otherwise, update `starved_` filters and try again
The third step can cause any amount of tasks to be dropped due to concurrency limits (as long as there is at least one ready task found), and only few tasks will survive. At the same time, ready tasks will queue up in the table without getting the chance to run. This can cause tasks being starved for a long time in edge cases like almost-starved prioritized pools, as pointed out here:
https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/45636
We have to rethink the scheduler logic (the query or the loop altogether) to avoid this kind of starvation.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "eladkal (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user eladkal edited a comment on the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
Closing to keep the discussion in one place.
Please continue in ~https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/49508~
https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/45636
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-13074276
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a comment on the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
Yep, so far the most promising and scalable approach is "window over everything" which gives us granularity at the level of individual scheduling entities, or objects that have parametrized limits taken into account - these are DAG runs and pools. We apparently have to sort the tasks by the policy defined fields, partition by combinations of limit holder fields, and try to stuff as many tasks as we can in each such window.
We have to consider:
`pool_slots` (per pool)
`max_active_tis_per_dag` (per DAG),
`max_active_tasks` (per DAG run),
`max_active_tis_per_dagrun` (per DAG run)
Here's a pseudo query I wrote to demonstrate this idea:
```
select *,
sum(ti.pool_slots) over (
partition by pool
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as slots_taken,
count(ti) over (
partition by dr.id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dagrun_total_active_ti,
count(ti) over (
partition by dag.dag_id, ti.task_id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dag_ti_count,
count(ti) over (
partition by dr.id, ti.task_id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dagrun_ti_count,
from task_instance ti
join dag_run dr on ti.run_id = dr.run_id
join dag on dr.dag_id = dag.id
join slot_pool as pools on ti.pool = slot_pool.pool
where
slots_taken <= pools.slots and
dagrun_total_active_ti <= dag.max_active_tasks and
dag_ti_count <= ??? max_active_tis_per_dag ??? and
dagrun_ti_count <= ??? max_active_tis_per_dagrun ???
limit max_tis
```
The ??? means the field is not in the DB, it's currently computed manually into a concurrency map which complicates the matters. Mb it's worth to store these as temporary tables instead.
I hope I got the right notion of the data models since the fields are vaguely documented and I relied solely on their names, feel free to correct me if there are mistakes.
We can replace `count` with `rank` by row number as they will be the same
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12886468
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a comment on the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
A good point is to clarify the ultimate goal we're striving to achieve. So far, always picking `max_tis` tasks when it's possible sounds sane, as there is no obvious reason to not schedule a ready task. Or is there? If there is such reason, we have to state that explicitly.
Currently, the reasons for dropping tasks are the [following filters](https://github.com/apache/airflow/blob/1781dc9d5fcbb93bce7018a4050ddd36ec1a65d5/airflow-core/src/airflow/jobs/scheduler_job_runner.py#L339C9-L341C81):
```py
starved_dags: set[str] = set()
starved_tasks: set[tuple[str, str]] = set()
starved_tasks_task_dagrun_concurrency: set[tuple[str, str, str]] = set()
```
Note that they are set to be empty, and only updated dynamically for the "rare" case that we will get to the second iteration. One of them is an exception:
```py
starved_pools = {pool_name for pool_name, stats in pools.items() if stats["open"] <= 0}
```
As we check some edge case of a fully-occupied pool. It doesn't really matter, as each task specifies its own priority, and the weights are unrelated to pools or any other concurrency limit in our model. In certain configurations this condition will be always unmet (assume sum(task.pool_slots) != pool["total_slots"] for some pool), so `starved_pools` joins the party.
Now we get at least 4 conditions that cause tasks to be dropped. We can enhance the query to window over every possible filter (or some subset of them) and avoid looping at all, knowing that the query returns just the good tasks, though windowing over numerical values may get us into cardinality issues and slow SQL performance.
To explain it better, look at the following scenario:
Dag A - 10000 tasks with concurrency 5
Dag B - 10 tasks with concurrency 10
Same pool, same priority
In the first scheduler iteration, 5 tasks from Dag A are scheduled, `max_tis - 5` are dropped. In subsequent iterations, we'll have the chance to schedule tasks from Dag B. With current implementation, assuming one A slot is freed up in every scheduler run, and if we window just by pool and priority but not the concurrency, the chance of picking B tasks will be small and we'll spin several hundreds of iterations, dropping A tasks and waiting for random mercy, while technically being able to schedule B tasks. The phenomenon can also occur if we have a DAG with low `max_active_tis_per_dagrun` firing a lot of mapped tasks, most of which will be dropped over next loop runs.
Dropped tasks inevitably cause delays in scheduling, and despite Airflow not being a real time system, this effect doesn't look like a desirable one, having a plenty of reproducible edge cases which occur in real data systems. I wonder if there is an agreement on `max_tis == desired_tis` (at least logically) in the community, so we can formally model the desired mechanism.
The main problem here is the inability of the scheduling mechanism to handle all the concurrency policies right due to task dropping and wasting critical sections. Currently the only practical solution is to increase the number of schedulers until we bump into the bottleneck of the critical section which won't be capable to withstand the heavy load. We can try to compute the `starved_` filters before the `select` query (which is basically windowing), instead of detecting them each time after the query is fired. Another path is to change the policy of the system (like transforming priority to weights) to make the query lighter. Anyway, benchmarking is required.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12820540
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a comment on the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
A good point is to clarify the ultimate goal we're striving to achieve. So far, always picking `max_tis` tasks when it's possible sounds sane, as there is no obvious reason to not schedule a ready task. Or is there? If there is such reason, we have to state that explicitly.
Currently, the reasons for dropping tasks are the [following filters](https://github.com/apache/airflow/blob/1781dc9d5fcbb93bce7018a4050ddd36ec1a65d5/airflow-core/src/airflow/jobs/scheduler_job_runner.py#L339C9-L341C81):
```py
starved_dags: set[str] = set()
starved_tasks: set[tuple[str, str]] = set()
starved_tasks_task_dagrun_concurrency: set[tuple[str, str, str]] = set()
```
Note that they are set to be empty, and only updated dynamically for the "rare" case that we will get to the second iteration. One of them is an exception:
```py
starved_pools = {pool_name for pool_name, stats in pools.items() if stats["open"] <= 0}
```
As we check some edge case of a fully-occupied pool. It doesn't really matter, as each task specifies its own priority, and the weights are unrelated to pools or any other concurrency limit in our model. In certain configurations this condition will be always unmet (assume sum(task.pool_slots) != pool["total_slots"] for some pool), so `starved_pools` joins the party.
Now we get at least 4 conditions that cause tasks to be dropped. We can enhance the query to window over every possible filter (or some subset of them) and avoid looping at all, knowing that the query returns just the good tasks, though windowing over numerical values may get us into cardinality issues and slow SQL performance.
To explain it better, look at the following scenario:
Dag A - 10000 tasks with concurrency 5
Dag B - 10 tasks with concurrency 10
Same pool, same priority
In the first scheduler iteration, 5 tasks from Dag A are scheduled, `max_tis - 5` are dropped. In subsequent iterations, we'll have the chance to schedule tasks from Dag B. With current implementation, assuming one A slot is freed up in every scheduler run, and if we window just by pool and priority but not the concurrency, the chance of picking B tasks will be small and we'll spin several hundreds of iterations, dropping A tasks and waiting for random mercy, while technically being able to schedule B tasks. The phenomenon can also occur if we have a DAG with low `max_active_tis_per_dagrun` firing a lot of mapped tasks, most of which will be dropped over next loop runs.
Dropped tasks inevitably cause delays in scheduling, and despite Airflow not being a real time system, this effect doesn't look like a desirable one, having a plenty of reproducible edge cases which occur in real data systems. I wonder if there is an agreement on `max_tis == desired_tis` (at least logically) in the community, so we can formally model the desired mechanism.
The main problem here is the inability of the scheduling mechanism to handle all the concurrency policies right due to task dropping and wasting critical sections. Currently the only practical solution is to increase the number of schedulers until we bump into the bottleneck of the critical section which won't be capable to withstand the heavy load. We can try to compute the `starved_` filters before the `select` query (which is basically windowing), instead of detecting them each time after the query is fired. Another path is to relieve the parameters of the system (like transforming priority to weights) to make the query lighter. Anyway, benchmarking is required.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12820540
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator added a comment to the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
Yep, so far the most promising and scalable approach is "window over everything" which gives us granularity at the level of individual scheduling entities, or objects that have parametrized limits taken into account - these are DAG runs and pools. We apparently have to sort the tasks by the policy defined fields, partition by combinations of limit holder fields, and try to stuff as much tasks as we can in each such window.
We have to consider:
`pool_slots` (per pool)
`max_active_tis_per_dag` (per DAG),
`max_active_tasks` (per DAG run),
`max_active_tis_per_dagrun` (per DAG run)
Here's a pseudo query I wrote to demonstrate this idea:
```
select *,
sum(ti.pool_slots) over (
partition by pool
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as slots_taken,
count(ti) over (
partition by dr.id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dagrun_total_active_ti,
count(ti) over (
partition by dag.dag_id, ti.task_id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dag_ti_count,
count(ti) over (
partition by dr.id, ti.task_id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dagrun_ti_count,
from task_instance ti
join dag_run dr on ti.run_id = dr.run_id
join dag on dr.dag_id = dag.id
join slot_pool as pools on ti.pool = slot_pool.pool
where
slots_taken <= pools.slots and
dagrun_total_active_ti <= dag.max_active_tasks and
dag_ti_count <= ??? max_active_tis_per_dag ??? and
dagrun_ti_count <= ??? max_active_tis_per_dagrun ???
limit max_tis
```
The ??? means the field is not in the DB, it's currently computed manually into a concurrency map which complicates the matters. Mb it's worth to store these as temporary tables instead.
I hope I got the right notion of the data models since the fields are vaguely documented and I relied solely on their names, feel free to correct me if there are mistakes.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12886468
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a comment on the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
Yep, so far the most promising and scalable approach is "window over everything" which gives us granularity at the level of individual scheduling entities, or objects that have parametrized limits taken into account - these are DAG runs and pools. We apparently have to sort the tasks by the policy defined fields, partition by combinations of limit holder fields, and try to stuff as many tasks as we can in each such window.
We have to consider:
`pool_slots` (per pool)
`max_active_tis_per_dag` (per DAG),
`max_active_tasks` (per DAG run),
`max_active_tis_per_dagrun` (per DAG run)
Here's a pseudo query I wrote to demonstrate this idea:
```
select *,
sum(ti.pool_slots) over (
partition by pool
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as slots_taken,
count(ti) over (
partition by dr.id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dagrun_total_active_ti,
count(ti) over (
partition by dag.dag_id, ti.task_id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dag_ti_count,
count(ti) over (
partition by dr.id, ti.task_id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dagrun_ti_count,
from task_instance ti
join dag_run dr on ti.run_id = dr.run_id
join dag on dr.dag_id = dag.id
join slot_pool as pools on ti.pool = slot_pool.pool
where
slots_taken <= pools.slots and
dagrun_total_active_ti <= dag.max_active_tasks and
dag_ti_count <= ??? max_active_tis_per_dag ??? and
dagrun_ti_count <= ??? max_active_tis_per_dagrun ???
limit max_tis
```
The ??? means the field is not in the DB, it's currently computed manually into a concurrency map which complicates the matters. Mb it's worth to store these as temporary tables instead.
I hope I got the right notion of the data models since the fields are vaguely documented and I relied solely on their names, feel free to correct me if there are mistakes.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12886468
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a comment on the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
A good point is to clarify the ultimate goal we're striving to achieve. So far, always picking `max_tis` tasks when it's possible sounds sane, as there is no obvious reason to not schedule a ready task. Or is there? If there is such reason, we have to state that explicitly.
Currently, the reasons for dropping tasks are the [following filters](https://github.com/apache/airflow/blob/1781dc9d5fcbb93bce7018a4050ddd36ec1a65d5/airflow-core/src/airflow/jobs/scheduler_job_runner.py#L339C9-L341C81):
```py
starved_dags: set[str] = set()
starved_tasks: set[tuple[str, str]] = set()
starved_tasks_task_dagrun_concurrency: set[tuple[str, str, str]] = set()
```
Note that they are set to be empty, and only updated dynamically for the "rare" case that we will get to the second iteration. One of them is an exception:
```py
starved_pools = {pool_name for pool_name, stats in pools.items() if stats["open"] <= 0}
```
As we check some edge case of a fully-occupied pool. It doesn't really matter, as each task specifies its own priority, and the weights are unrelated to pools or any other concurrency limit in our model. In certain configurations this condition will be always unmet (assume sum(task.pool_slots) != pool["total_slots"] for some pool), so `starved_pools` joins the party.
Now we get at least 4 conditions that cause tasks to be dropped. We can enhance the query to window over every possible filter (or some subset of them) and avoid looping at all, knowing that the query returns just the good tasks, though windowing over numerical values may get us into cardinality issues and slow SQL performance.
To explain it better, look at the following scenario:
Dag A - 10000 tasks with concurrency 5
Dag B - 10 tasks with concurrency 10
Same pool, same priority
In the first scheduler iteration, 5 tasks from Dag A are scheduled, `max_tis - 5` are dropped. In subsequent iterations, we'll have the chance to schedule tasks from Dag B. With current implementation, assuming one A slot is freed up in every scheduler run, and if we window just by pool and priority but not the concurrency, the chance of picking B tasks will be small and we'll spin several hundreds of iterations, dropping A tasks and waiting for random mercy, while technically being able to schedule B tasks. The phenomenon can also occur if we have a DAG with low `max_active_tis_per_dagrun` firing a lot of mapped tasks, most of which will be dropped over next loop runs.
Dropped tasks inevitably cause delays in scheduling, and despite Airflow not being a real time system, this effect doesn't look like a desirable one, having a plenty of reproducible edge cases which occur in real data systems. I wonder if there is an agreement on `max_tis == desired_tis` (at least logically) in the community, so we can formally model the desired mechanism.
The main problem here is the inability of the scheduling mechanism to handle all the concurrency policies right due to task dropping and wasting critical sections. Currently the only practical solution is to increase the number of schedulers until we bump into the bottleneck of the critical section which won't be capable to withstand the heavy load. Maybe we can try to compute the `starved_` filters before the main query, instead of detecting them each time on the fly?
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12820540
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Nataneljpwd (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Nataneljpwd added a comment to the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
I agree with most of the things you said, however, I do think that instead of a window over every concurrency requirement, we iterate over every holder of such requirement, so instead of a window over concurrency, we window over Dag, which in turn solves the concurrency issue, if we do iterate over concurrency you may get a similar problem when having 2 dags, same pool and concurrency so it is better to instead window over the holder of the requirement (i.e Dag for concurrency).
About the slow SQL, I do not agree here, the SQL scales that are expected when using airflow are not at such a large scale that cardinality will cause a major runtime increase for the query, I think that instead of iterating and sending a lot of queries it will be far more efficient to send one single big query, it will most likely reduce the amount of time in the critical section as we send less queries and use a more efficient plan to check the filters rather than doing it in python, windowing can be very fast as long as the ordering is chosen carefully to fit the window function.
Transforming priority to weight can also be a very good idea, though in the case that the query will do more things and the code will do less, it will be harder to implement it properly in SQL, while allowing different strategies so that users will be able to tailor the prioritization behaviour to their needs.
If you have any new suggestions, improvements or possible solutions, I would be happy to hear them.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12830943
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a comment on the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
Yep, so far the most promising and scalable approach is "window over everything" which gives us granularity at the level of individual scheduling entities, or objects that have parametrized limits taken into account - these are DAG runs and pools. We apparently have to sort the tasks by the policy defined fields, partition by combinations of limit holder fields, and try to stuff as many tasks as we can in each such window.
We have to consider:
`pool_slots` (per pool)
`max_active_tis_per_dag` (per DAG),
`max_active_tasks` (per DAG run),
`max_active_tis_per_dagrun` (per DAG run)
Here's a pseudo query I wrote to demonstrate this idea:
```
select *,
sum(ti.pool_slots) over (
partition by pool
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as slots_taken,
count(ti) over (
partition by dr.id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dagrun_total_active_ti,
count(ti) over (
partition by dag.dag_id, ti.task_id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dag_ti_count,
count(ti) over (
partition by dr.id, ti.task_id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dagrun_ti_count,
from task_instance ti
join dag_run dr on ti.run_id = dr.run_id
join dag on dr.dag_id = dag.id
join slot_pool as pools on ti.pool = slot_pool.pool
where
slots_taken <= pools.slots and
dagrun_total_active_ti <= dag.max_active_tasks and
dag_ti_count <= ??? max_active_tis_per_dag ??? and
dagrun_ti_count <= ??? max_active_tis_per_dagrun ???
limit max_tis
```
The ??? means the field is not in the DB, it's currently computed manually into a concurrency map which complicates the matters. Mb it's worth to store these as temporary tables instead.
I hope I got the right notion of the data models since the fields are vaguely documented and I relied solely on their names, feel free to correct me if there are mistakes.
We can replace `count` with row number as they will be the same
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12886468
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a comment on the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
Yep, so far the most promising and scalable approach is "window over everything" which gives us granularity at the level of individual scheduling entities, or objects that have parametrized limits taken into account - these are DAG runs and pools. We apparently have to sort the tasks by the policy defined fields, partition by combinations of limit holder fields, and try to stuff as many tasks as we can in each such window.
We have to consider:
`pool_slots` (per pool)
`max_active_tis_per_dag` (per DAG),
`max_active_tasks` (per DAG run),
`max_active_tis_per_dagrun` (per DAG run)
Here's a pseudo query I wrote to demonstrate this idea:
```
select *,
sum(ti.pool_slots) over (
partition by pool
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as slots_taken,
count(ti) over (
partition by dr.id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dagrun_total_active_ti,
count(ti) over (
partition by dag.dag_id, ti.task_id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dag_ti_count,
count(ti) over (
partition by dr.id, ti.task_id
order by (-prw, date, idx)
between all preceding and current
) as dagrun_ti_count,
from task_instance ti
join dag_run dr on ti.run_id = dr.run_id
join dag on dr.dag_id = dag.id
join slot_pool as pools on ti.pool = slot_pool.pool
where
slots_taken <= pools.slots and
dagrun_total_active_ti <= dag.max_active_tasks and
dag_ti_count <= ??? max_active_tis_per_dag ??? and
dagrun_ti_count <= ??? max_active_tis_per_dagrun ???
limit max_tis
```
The ??? means the field is not in the DB, it's currently computed manually into a concurrency map which complicates the matters. Mb it's worth to store these as temporary tables instead, or use a `with` clause.
I hope I got the right notion of the data models since the fields are vaguely documented and I relied solely on their names, feel free to correct me if there are mistakes.
We can replace `count` with row number as they will be the same
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12886468
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Nataneljpwd (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Nataneljpwd added a comment to the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
It looks like the simpler solution here would be to design the query in such a way that it always gets max_tis tasks that can be sent to run, this can be done by windowing over pools, which will solve the issue linked, however, I think that the scheduler prioritization should also be changed, as if we have the same situation as in the issue but on the same pool, we will get the same result.
I thought about changing the prioritization to a weight, so that the lower prioritized tasks will also get to run, for example:
Assume:
Dag A - 1000 tasks with priority 5 concurrency 10
Dag B - 100 tasks with priority 2 concurrency 3
Same pool, short tasks
As of now, airflow will first complete running Dag A before it starts running Dag B as the query will return 32 tasks with the highest priority and Dag B will starve.
If we change the priority to be a weight, meaning that Dag A will get 5 slots for every 2 slots Dag B gets, both Dags will get to run at the same time and will complete faster overall, this will require a window function over pools and priorities.
There are some edge cases, as the example above but with priorities of 100 and 1, this can be solved by trying to give at least 1 slot for each priority, in which case, what if we have more than 32 priorities? Choose the top 32 and work only on them?
A possible solution is to add a configuration to allow for a maximum amount of tasks scheduler for top priority or just ignore the numbers itself and go of the largest, second largest and so on, while splitting the tasks available as fairly as possible according to the priority (which has problems of its own as what if we decided to schedule 4 tasks for given priority but there are only 2 tasks to schedule? Give it to the next in line? Or to the most prioritized?)
The implementation could be made fully configurable and with a strategy pattern for the leftover slots, however it might not be the best option as it will add complexity to the system (ideally the system will dynamically decide what to do).
I would love to hear any suggestions you might have either for simplification or improvement.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12817885
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator added a comment to the discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
A good point is to clarify the ultimate goal we're striving to achieve. So far, always picking `max_tis` tasks when it's possible sounds sane, as there is no obvious reason to not schedule a ready task. Or is there? If there is such reason, we have to state that explicitly.
Currently, the reasons for dropping tasks are the [following filters](https://github.com/apache/airflow/blob/1781dc9d5fcbb93bce7018a4050ddd36ec1a65d5/airflow-core/src/airflow/jobs/scheduler_job_runner.py#L339C9-L341C81):
```py
starved_dags: set[str] = set()
starved_tasks: set[tuple[str, str]] = set()
starved_tasks_task_dagrun_concurrency: set[tuple[str, str, str]] = set()
```
Note that they are set to be empty, and only updated dynamically for the "rare" case that we will get to the second iteration. One of them is an exception:
```py
starved_pools = {pool_name for pool_name, stats in pools.items() if stats["open"] <= 0}
```
As we check some edge case of a fully-occupied pool. It doesn't really matter, as each task specifies its own priority, and the weights are unrelated to pools or any other concurrency limit in our model. In certain configurations this condition will be always unmet (assume sum(task.pool_slots) != pool["total_slots"] for some pool), so `starved_pools` joins the party.
Now we get at least 4 conditions that cause tasks to be dropped. We can enhance the query to window over every possible filter (or some subset of them) and avoid looping at all, knowing that the query returns just the good tasks, though windowing over numerical values may get us into cardinality issues and slow SQL performance.
To explain it better, look at the following scenario:
Dag A - 10000 tasks with concurrency 5
Dag B - 10 tasks with concurrency 10
Same pool, same priority
In the first scheduler iteration, 5 tasks from Dag A are scheduled, `max_tis - 5` are dropped. In subsequent iterations, we'll have the chance to schedule tasks from Dag B. With current implementation, assuming one A slot is freed up in every scheduler run, and if we window just by pool and priority but not the concurrency, the chance of picking B tasks will be small and we'll spin several hundreds of iterations, dropping A tasks and waiting for random mercy, while technically being able to schedule B tasks. The phenomenon can also occur if we have a DAG with low `max_active_tis_per_dagrun` firing a lot of mapped tasks, most of which will be dropped over next loop runs.
Dropped tasks inevitably cause delays in scheduling, and despite Airflow not being a real time system, this effect doesn't look like a desirable one, having a plenty of reproducible edge cases which occur in real data systems. I wonder if there is an agreement on `max_tis == desired_tis` (at least logically) in the community, so we can formally model the desired outcome.
The main problem here is the inability of the scheduling mechanism to handle all the concurrency policies right due to task dropping and wasting critical sections. Currently the only practical solution is to increase the number of schedulers until we bump into the bottleneck of the critical section which won't be capable to withstand the heavy load. Maybe we can try to compute the `starved_` filters before the main query, instead of detecting them each time on the fly?
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160#discussioncomment-12820540
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Re: [D] Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section [airflow]
Posted by "Asquator (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
GitHub user Asquator edited a discussion: Redesign the scheduler logic to avoid starvation due to dropped tasks in critical section
The way critical section works now is:
1. Fire a `select` query and get at most `max_tis` task instances to schedule
2. Loop over tasks to check concurrency limits and find tasks eligible to scheduling
3. If at least one task instance is found, exit and send the good tasks to executors
4. Otherwise, update `starved_` filters and try again
The third step can cause any amount of tasks to be dropped due to concurrency limits (as long as there is at least one ready task found), and only few tasks will survive. At the same time, ready tasks will queue up in the table without getting the chance to run. This can cause to tasks being starved for a long time in edge cases like almost-starved prioritized pools, as pointed out here:
https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/45636
We have to rethink the scheduler logic (the query or the loop altogether) to avoid this kind of starvation.
GitHub link: https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions/49160
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