shifting up a gear...

[Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM>]

We've had a few discussions on potential project plans,
including:
<http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-river-dev/ 
200705.mbox/%3cA3DD15A1-869B-419E-B353-08B029ABB21C@sun.com%3e>
I'd like to get us back to it and get agreement on a short
term plan to get us accomplishing things and gaining
momentum as a project. Let's shift it up a gear (or two ;-)).

As I've said in the past, I think working to get out a first release
from the project soon would help the Community (by having a
release available from the project), as well as help us understand
what it takes to get out a release.  It would be great if we could shoot
for a late September timeframe for a release.  I also think we need
to get our project (web) pages updated with some content (so the
place looks like the lights are on).

Once we have a good handle on this first release, I think we should
then focus on another short term release (say, November/December  
timeframe),
and start discussing what that release should look like (for example,
which issues to commit to it).

Following that we have a more difficult and significant discussion to
have on the future focus and efforts of the River project (more  
'infrastructure
work? work on services? other?).  If you'll bear with me, though...  
I'd like
to wait on diving into that until we get some success and things going
in the River project.

I'll follow up immediately with another email detailing some things
around a first release.

I'm not trying to force this plan through -- so if someone else would
lead us through discussing an alternative plan -- please do.

thanks -Jim

Re: shifting up a gear...

[Gregg Wonderly <gr...@wonderly.org>]

+1

You guys are the team.  I'm counting on you to get things started.  When I can 
participate with the amount of time that I have to contribute, and it will 
productive, I'll get more envolved.  Right now, there are basics to take care of 
which I don't have the access nor the knowledge to address.

Keep up the good work!

Gregg Wonderly

RE: shifting up a gear...

["Rollo, Dan" <DR...@ETS.ORG>]

+1.

I say go ahead with the plans you post. 
If others see problems, then they should speak up. I've found there is
often deafening silence, and only when there's an objection are you
likely to get a lot of responses.
Seems the old "do it now, ask for forgiveness later" applies, with the
process being you post what you plan to do, allow a (reasonalbly short)
time for repsonses, and then go, go, go.

Maybe a very quick approach is to do a ReleaseCandidate within the next
couple days/weeks, purely to get the process going. With an RC floating
about, people can then dive into discussions on content, process, etc.
(Release early and often...) This way, no matter what the problems with
the RC, it's still just an RC, so nothing it contains binds us in the
future.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Chance [mailto:sgchance@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:50 PM
To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: shifting up a gear...

Jim,

A hearty "Amen!" from the evangelicals in the crowd.  My "campaign"
would benefit from your recommendations.

Sam

On 8/22/07, Jim Hurley <Ji...@sun.com> wrote:
>
> We've had a few discussions on potential project plans,
> including:
> <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-river-dev/
> 200705.mbox/%3cA3DD15A1-869B-419E-B353-08B029ABB21C@sun.com%3e>
> I'd like to get us back to it and get agreement on a short term plan 
> to get us accomplishing things and gaining momentum as a project. 
> Let's shift it up a gear (or two ;-)).
>
> As I've said in the past, I think working to get out a first release 
> from the project soon would help the Community (by having a release 
> available from the project), as well as help us understand what it 
> takes to get out a release.  It would be great if we could shoot for a

> late September timeframe for a release.  I also think we need to get 
> our project (web) pages updated with some content (so the place looks 
> like the lights are on).
>
> Once we have a good handle on this first release, I think we should 
> then focus on another short term release (say, November/December 
> timeframe), and start discussing what that release should look like 
> (for example, which issues to commit to it).
>
> Following that we have a more difficult and significant discussion to 
> have on the future focus and efforts of the River project (more 
> 'infrastructure work? work on services? other?).  If you'll bear with 
> me, though...
> I'd like
> to wait on diving into that until we get some success and things going

> in the River project.
>
> I'll follow up immediately with another email detailing some things 
> around a first release.
>
> I'm not trying to force this plan through -- so if someone else would 
> lead us through discussing an alternative plan -- please do.
>
> thanks -Jim
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: shifting up a gear...

[Sam Chance <sg...@gmail.com>]

Jim,

A hearty "Amen!" from the evangelicals in the crowd.  My "campaign" would
benefit from your recommendations.

Sam

On 8/22/07, Jim Hurley <Ji...@sun.com> wrote:
>
> We've had a few discussions on potential project plans,
> including:
> <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-river-dev/
> 200705.mbox/%3cA3DD15A1-869B-419E-B353-08B029ABB21C@sun.com%3e>
> I'd like to get us back to it and get agreement on a short
> term plan to get us accomplishing things and gaining
> momentum as a project. Let's shift it up a gear (or two ;-)).
>
> As I've said in the past, I think working to get out a first release
> from the project soon would help the Community (by having a
> release available from the project), as well as help us understand
> what it takes to get out a release.  It would be great if we could shoot
> for a late September timeframe for a release.  I also think we need
> to get our project (web) pages updated with some content (so the
> place looks like the lights are on).
>
> Once we have a good handle on this first release, I think we should
> then focus on another short term release (say, November/December
> timeframe),
> and start discussing what that release should look like (for example,
> which issues to commit to it).
>
> Following that we have a more difficult and significant discussion to
> have on the future focus and efforts of the River project (more
> 'infrastructure
> work? work on services? other?).  If you'll bear with me, though...
> I'd like
> to wait on diving into that until we get some success and things going
> in the River project.
>
> I'll follow up immediately with another email detailing some things
> around a first release.
>
> I'm not trying to force this plan through -- so if someone else would
> lead us through discussing an alternative plan -- please do.
>
> thanks -Jim
>
>
>
>
>

Re: shifting up a gear...

[Dan Creswell <da...@dcrdev.demon.co.uk>]

+1

Jim Hurley wrote:
> We've had a few discussions on potential project plans,
> including:
> <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-river-dev/200705.mbox/%3cA3DD15A1-869B-419E-B353-08B029ABB21C@sun.com%3e>
> 
> I'd like to get us back to it and get agreement on a short
> term plan to get us accomplishing things and gaining
> momentum as a project. Let's shift it up a gear (or two ;-)).
> 
> As I've said in the past, I think working to get out a first release
> from the project soon would help the Community (by having a
> release available from the project), as well as help us understand
> what it takes to get out a release.  It would be great if we could shoot
> for a late September timeframe for a release.  I also think we need
> to get our project (web) pages updated with some content (so the
> place looks like the lights are on).
> 
> Once we have a good handle on this first release, I think we should
> then focus on another short term release (say, November/December
> timeframe),
> and start discussing what that release should look like (for example,
> which issues to commit to it).
> 
> Following that we have a more difficult and significant discussion to
> have on the future focus and efforts of the River project (more
> 'infrastructure
> work? work on services? other?).  If you'll bear with me, though... I'd
> like
> to wait on diving into that until we get some success and things going
> in the River project.
> 
> I'll follow up immediately with another email detailing some things
> around a first release.
> 
> I'm not trying to force this plan through -- so if someone else would
> lead us through discussing an alternative plan -- please do.
> 
> thanks -Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
>