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Posted to dev@cordova.apache.org by Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> on 2016/06/01 00:47:56 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
I definitely see the usecase tommy describes.
I think subdir makes the most sense. package.json has a `dirname` field
which would fetch everything in that subdirectory. This functionality
already exists for `--template`.
TLDR We should be a bit more picky for top level files we copy over but
blindly copy over sub directory files
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Using a subdir makes a clear separation between final template files vs.
> files associated with tooling, tests, packaging
>
> - Carlos Santana
> @csantanapr
>
> > On May 31, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > `cordova create` is destructive by nature.
> > Anything and everything required by the templated app should be part of
> > what is copied. Our current blind folder copy needs to be more
> intelligent.
> > I would prefer that template files be in a sub-dir, much like they are in
> > each platform.
> >
> > Simon and I faced a similar situation with making a plugin template[1]
> > While only half baked at this point, the file structure is relevant I
> think.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugin-template
> >
> >
> >
> > @purplecabbage
> > risingj.com
> >
> >> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> .npmignore can help with some of those unwanted files, but not all…
> >>
> >> However, what happens in the circumstance when the template _does_ need
> a
> >> package.json file, such as the react-hot-loader template Jed and I
> made? It
> >> has npm dips and npm scripts that are vital to how it works in its
> >> package,json. We can’t just omit files, Similarly, a template might
> include
> >> hooks and merges as well.
> >>
> >> - tommy
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 1 Jun 2016, at 8:22 AM, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I opened a JIRA for ignoring .git
> >>> Don't have it handy on mobile now
> >>>
> >>> Best practice:
> >>> 1. To use subdir feature to specify dir to use via main module
> >>> 2. To follow npm best practices when publishing to npm (i.e. do not
> >> include everything, only the minimum required)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Carlos Santana
> >>> @csantanapr
> >>>
> >>>> On May 31, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry to bring up a old thread instead of starting a new one but I
> >> thought
> >>>> the context might be relevant.
> >>>>
> >>>> Currently, template pretty much copies over all of the files. I see
> >> this as
> >>>> a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Example [1]. When you add a template, its package.json gets copied
> into
> >>>> your app. I don't think we want that to happen right?
> >>>>
> >>>> Other files that are getting copied but shouldn't:
> >>>> - RELEASENOTES.md
> >>>> - README.md
> >>>> - .git (if you do it locally or f
> >>>> - NOTICE
> >>>> - LICENSE
> >>>> - COPYWRIGHT
> >>>>
> >>>> Files we want:
> >>>> - config.xml
> >>>> - .gitignore
> >>>> - .npmignore ?
> >>>> - node_modules?
> >>>> - platforms/plugins (if present)
> >>>> - hooks
> >>>> - merges
> >>>>
> >>>> templates can provide additional info by setting a subdirectory in
> their
> >>>> package.json for where the template files live.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-11344.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Oh I'm late on this thread.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Latest code is in master cordova-cli and cordova-lib
> >>>>> you have to link lib to cli to get it to show up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> if you are lazy like me you can do "npm install -g
> >>>>> csantanapr/cordova-cli-dev"
> >>>>> To see the help "cordova help create"
> >>>>> --template=<PATH|NPM PACKAGE|GIT URL> ... use a custom template
> located
> >>>>> locally, in NPM, or GitHub.
> >>>>> Options:
> >>>>> --template=<PATH|NPM PACKAGE|GIT URL> ... use a custom template
> >>>>> located locally, in NPM, or GitHub.
> >>>>> --copy-from|src=<PATH> .................. deprecated, use
> >>>>> --template instead.
> >>>>> --link-to=<PATH> ........................ symlink to custom www
> >>>>> assets without creating a copy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The goal is to help people getting started by using a package from
> npm
> >> as
> >>>>> starting point, I see the samples that Raymond produces being used
> >> with the
> >>>>> --template flag for novice users to get a sample running faster. also
> >>>>> opening the door for web frameworks to have their cordova template in
> >> npm,
> >>>>> or plugin creators to share templates that uses their plugin, and
> >> declare
> >>>>> the plugin in config.xml
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Omar
> >>>>> what you describe in your list what was implemented
> >>>>> The only thing, that was not implemented because was not in the
> >> proposal
> >>>>> and not discuss was ~/.cordova/config.json
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I didn't added because I think there should be a better architecture
> >> for
> >>>>> config. That's another proposal I'm thinking on doing but it looks
> >> like how
> >>>>> npm does config
> >>>>> For example have "cordova config" cli
> >>>>> cordova config set template=my-app-hello
> >>>>> cordova config ls
> >>>>> and so...
> >>>>> so default configs can be override using the CLI
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. Dmitry
> >>>>> Let's have a hangout and let's, talk because I don't understand what
> >> is the
> >>>>> problem that --template is causing,
> >>>>> I don't understand if you don't want the flag present, or the
> >>>>> implementation, or you want to keep --copy-from as it is today.
> >>>>> Email is not helping to communicate what is what you think that is
> >> broken
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3. Simon
> >>>>> There is no much documentation other than the help, and mentioned in
> >> the
> >>>>> docs.
> >>>>> Will love some help feedback and help on docs for this .
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/cordova-docs/blob/master/www/docs/en/dev/guide/cli/index.md
> >>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/blob/master/doc/create.txt#L14
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Finally nothing is writing in stone, we can change, remove, add to
> >> this as
> >>>>> we iterate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I thought I follow the our community practices as best I understood.
> >>>>> Wrote a proposal, communicated in the mailing list, got feedback to
> >> change
> >>>>> the original proposal to not exclude platforms/plugins and other
> >> changes.
> >>>>> had pointers to PR, JIRA, proposal, discussion, waited for feedback
> on
> >> PR,
> >>>>> gave a heads up on that there was no more feedback and everything
> that
> >> was
> >>>>> discuss was implemented.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I saw Dmitry'ss comments just after we merge, but I try to give
> enough
> >>>>> heads up. And will like to understand better what are his concerns.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:53 PM Simon MacDonald <
> >> simon.macdonald@gmail.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Are there docs checked in anywhere that describe how to use the
> >>>>> --template
> >>>>>> flag?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Simon Mac Donald
> >>>>>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Raymond Camden <
> >> raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Looks like --template wasn't added to the CLI help. Will file a
> bug.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Steven Gill <
> stevengill97@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> The thread was proposed Nov 10th and PR was merged Dec 3rd. I
> think
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> ample time to give feedback. If people don't give feedback, apache
> >>>>> way
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> consider it as lazy consensus.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We do not vote on feature requests and I hope we never do as it
> is a
> >>>>>>>> terrible practice. Good luck trying to get anything done.
> >>>>>>>> The `--template` flag currently there is the one that was added as
> >>>>> per
> >>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>> discussion. I think in the future we should refrain from adding
> code
> >>>>>>> before
> >>>>>>>> a discussion completes, especially if there is contention. At the
> >>>>> very
> >>>>>>>> least, we should probably hold a vote.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I’m definitely not a fan of adding flags just for the purpose of
> >> very
> >>>>>>>> specific convenience, but if I’m alone in that opinion then let’s
> do
> >>>>>>>> whatever the majority decides.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Mefire O. <om...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We already have support for the --template flag in Cordova.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> However, it currently only supports NPM packages and GIT URLs, no
> >>>>>> local
> >>>>>>>> folder.
> >>>>>>>>> The local folder scenario is currently being handled by
> --copy-from
> >>>>>>> (only
> >>>>>>>> www and config.xml are copied) and --link-to.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We also have a way of specifying default templates: throught the
> >>>>> json
> >>>>>>>> file: cordova_project/.cordova/config.json.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think we should:
> >>>>>>>>> - deprecate --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>> - update the current --template logic to support local folders in
> >>>>>>>> addition to NPM and GIT URLs
> >>>>>>>>> - fallback to using the 'cordova-hello-world' template when a
> >>>>>>> critical
> >>>>>>>> option/file/folder isn’t present in the supplied template (e.g:
> user
> >>>>>> did
> >>>>>>>> not specify app_id, app_name or supplied template has no www
> folder)
> >>>>>>>>> - document .cordova/config.json (how it can be used to set
> default
> >>>>>>>> templates)
> >>>>>>>>> - copy platforms/plugins folders when creating from a template
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>> Omar Mefire
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:48 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>> 1. It was discuss in the mailing list, that use case #1 was not
> >>>>> need
> >>>>>>> it,
> >>>>>>>> and to be replace by --template, user don't have to have
> config.xml
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> other cordova specific files they will be created. So the reason
> to
> >>>>>>>> deprecate --copy-from 2. yes it's similar to a cp or git clone,
> but
> >>>>>>> also a
> >>>>>>>> download of npm, it will replace app name and id if they are
> passed
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> create command if template contains config.xml they will get
> >> replace,
> >>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>> night mare not that many files to add if template purposely
> missing
> >>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>> config.xml and empty folders for hooks, plugins, platform.
> template
> >>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>> have a www and any other files outside www they want in their
> >>>>> template
> >>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>> res/resource/ (cordova uses res, ionic uses resources, etc..)
> >>>>>>> .gitignore,
> >>>>>>>> .editorconfig, pacakge.json, etc.. any other files they which
> their
> >>>>> app
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> have that template will get them started with.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:10 PM Dmitry Blotsky <
> >>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the summary, Carlos! Sorry, I hadn’t read the whole
> >>>>> thread
> >>>>>>>>>> when I sent my question. I read up after your email, and I have
> a
> >>>>>>>>>> better grasp on it now. My new questions are below.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 1. What is the `cordova create` command then doing if it’s
> copying
> >>>>>>>>>> (potentially) the whole app it’s trying to create? The
> >>>>> `--copy-from`
> >>>>>>>>>> flag creates fresh copies of Cordova-specific files and only
> >> copies
> >>>>>>>>>> the `www` folder, which is app-agnostic anyway.
> >>>>>>>>>> 2. Isn’t the new flag basically the same as an invocation of
> `cp`
> >>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>> `git clone`? And if we’re going into the realm of examining the
> >>>>>>>>>> template and “filling in” potentially missing files, isn’t that
> a
> >>>>>>>>>> logical nightmare since there are so many possible things that
> >>>>> could
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> missing in an app?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:00 AM, Carlos Santana <
> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The email thread has the details but in summary:
> >>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't handle npm and git as source It doesn't copy
> >> everything
> >>>>>>>>>>> By adding npm and git having the flag copy-from it's confusing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:04 PM Dmitry Blotsky
> >>>>>>>>>>> <db...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks. Sorry I'm late to the party, but why is
> `--copy-from`
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not sufficient?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:09 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael we will love to hear your feedback, and we can improve
> >> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> top of what's initially there.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:04 PM Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Links to PRs where available for a while on the proposal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pull/339
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/pull/226
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM Michael Brooks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to see a pull request rather than a straight up
> >> merge,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the template discussion was more involved. Also, I'm
> >>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to seeing your work on this!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be working later today with James from my team on
> >>>>> merging
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial implementation of --template. it will update a few
> >>>>> repos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cli, lib, doc)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone oppose?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:50 PM Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alias, deprecate and later remove
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:49 PM Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree, --template is the new --copy-from :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:48 PM Shazron <
> shazron@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, we could deprecate --copy-from, and alias
> --template
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we shouldn't have both, it should just be one
> >>>>> implementation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Carlos Santana <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In some way we we are enhancing --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm OK to the copy blindly even plugins and platforms,
> I
> >>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid people creating templates when is not need it if
> >>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms and plugins
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I'm OK if we want to allow it, but I would not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens to work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't like the "--copy-from" name, I want to use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "--template"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes path, giturl, and npm name
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:41 PM Carlos Santana <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What dynamic nature you want ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think using yeoman is bad idea, we tried at work at
> is
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> huge
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of foot print and number of dependencies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We then learned that just using the inquirer npm
> package
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave us
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to create an interactive experience in the CLI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least the first implementation I want to keep it
> >>>>> simple,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brought a good point about dynamic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will update proposal, add that if user passed any of
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arguments for create like app-id, app-name, or
> >>>>> app-version
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones in the template.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will double check with James to see if already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implemented
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current PR, if not then will added.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It terms of dynamic I think after we get the first
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would like to enhance on top of it with allowing the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts that can run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like before_create and after_create, then the template
> >>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> specify
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scripts object of the package.json and cordova cli
> >>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>> runs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template owner can run what ever they want even
> inquirer
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to user for additional things to setup with the
> >> template.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2f%2fwww.npmjs.com
> >>>>>> %2fpackage%2finquirer&data=01%7c01%7cdblo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sky%40microsoft.com
> >>>>>> %7c9fb3634d35ba45cd7a7508d2fcd60177%7c72
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> 988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=cGhgCrxXQToX3DsPn2O
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCsTQtcWl11IjuPpgRdFlco%3d
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:56 PM Parashuram N <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReactNative init does use yeoman - that is a good
> idea
> >>>>> !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mean that we need to depend on Yeoman also ?
> Does
> >>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply have a separate yeoman generator ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/15, 10:10 AM, "Gorkem Ercan"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <go...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about adding support for some more dynamic
> >>>>>> generation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we add yeoman as an option something like
> $cordova
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myApp
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --template=yo:m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to invoke the generator m ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gorkem
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2015, at 19:52, Carlos Santana wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would say that if they have "platforms" and
> >>>>> "plugins"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template, its consider a cordova project ready to
> be
> >>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as cp-from, it's doesn't copy much only www
> >> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config.xml, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to change it's behavior for backwards
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be good to mark it deprecated for a certain period
> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for deprecating the copy-from.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:19 PM Parashuram N <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they would. However, there could be cases
> where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have templates that have changes stuff in
> platforms,
> >>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> added
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custom
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins or hooks. I think that instead of adding
> >>>>> extra
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these things, we keep things simple, and copy over
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates can then decide what they want to do,
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle plugins or platforms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:16 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the plugins and platforms are listed in
> >>>>> config.xml,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get fetched on prepare?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Parashuram N
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it should copy platform and plugins
> >> folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the template. I think the guidance should
> >> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates should not include a platform or a
> plugin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do - for reasons like custom plugins, etc,
> >> then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that happen. The only enhancement from
> --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support npm and git URLs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:
> csantana23@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:26 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The template doesn't any special structure, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> npm is already a template
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will add comment in PR about having fixtures in
> >>>>> tests
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses cases with different type of templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The code copies everything except plugins and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directories,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe it needs some comments to make it more
> clear
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should copy dot files like .gitignore,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .editorconfig,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bowerrc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important at least for me .gitignore, it helps
> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should ignore platforms and plugins from source
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is always YES. If they are asking then it means
> >> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advise.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:27 PM Parashuram N
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 to the proposal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a structure of a sample template ?
> Also,
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy everything from npm or the gitURL, though
> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that dot file and hooks/platforms should not
> >> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> copies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we talk about that in the proposal too ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:
> >>>>> raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>>>>> ]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:01 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, nothing to add here but +1.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the only thing I'd add is that I wish there
> >>>>> was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *permanently* set a template. I hate the default
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (sorry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) and would love to make the CLI always use my
> >> own
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ryan J. Salva
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rs...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love it!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rjs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager
> Lead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visual
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studio
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:
> >> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>> ]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:49 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the Face2Face meeting updating the cordova
> >>>>> cli
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates sounded like a good feature to add to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally got around to this and created the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubee from our team to take a stab at
> >>>>> implementation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI-Template proposal [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/blob/master/propos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> al
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s/C
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -T
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=emplates.m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d&
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a=
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> =============================================================
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Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
Posted by Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>.
I created a new proposal for enhancing templates. Please give feedback to
proposal in the PR!
https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/pull/49
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org> wrote:
> Yeah, I don’t really mean any more than what templates + create already do
> with config.xml.
>
> Use case:
>
> `cordova create mycoolapp —template=some-react-template`
> cd mycoolapp
> npm install
> npm start
>
> etc
>
> The `some-react-template` by necessity will have a package.json with stuff
> in it (deps, npm scripts, etc) that the resulting created app will need in
> _its_ package.json.
>
> However, with the new move to fetch and having all Cordova apps have a
> package.json (with cordoba-specific stuff in it), the resulting app will
> need the stuff that a newly created app gets + whatever the template needs
> to work/build/etc.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
>
> Stuff is a great word, just saying.
>
>
>
> > On 1 Jun 2016, at 11:38 AM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > By merge the package.json, do you mean update the package.name to the
> name
> > of the app?
> > On May 31, 2016 6:01 PM, "Tommy Williams" <to...@devgeeks.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, a subduer is fine as long as we can merge the package.json from
> the
> >> template somehow…
> >>
> >> Dibs not writing that :/
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 1 Jun 2016, at 10:47 AM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I definitely see the usecase tommy describes.
> >>>
> >>> I think subdir makes the most sense. package.json has a `dirname` field
> >>> which would fetch everything in that subdirectory. This functionality
> >>> already exists for `--template`.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR We should be a bit more picky for top level files we copy over but
> >>> blindly copy over sub directory files
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Using a subdir makes a clear separation between final template files
> vs.
> >>>> files associated with tooling, tests, packaging
> >>>>
> >>>> - Carlos Santana
> >>>> @csantanapr
> >>>>
> >>>>> On May 31, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> `cordova create` is destructive by nature.
> >>>>> Anything and everything required by the templated app should be part
> of
> >>>>> what is copied. Our current blind folder copy needs to be more
> >>>> intelligent.
> >>>>> I would prefer that template files be in a sub-dir, much like they
> are
> >> in
> >>>>> each platform.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Simon and I faced a similar situation with making a plugin
> template[1]
> >>>>> While only half baked at this point, the file structure is relevant I
> >>>> think.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugin-template
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>>> risingj.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Tommy Williams <tommy@devgeeks.org
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> .npmignore can help with some of those unwanted files, but not all…
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However, what happens in the circumstance when the template _does_
> >> need
> >>>> a
> >>>>>> package.json file, such as the react-hot-loader template Jed and I
> >>>> made? It
> >>>>>> has npm dips and npm scripts that are vital to how it works in its
> >>>>>> package,json. We can’t just omit files, Similarly, a template might
> >>>> include
> >>>>>> hooks and merges as well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - tommy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 1 Jun 2016, at 8:22 AM, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I opened a JIRA for ignoring .git
> >>>>>>> Don't have it handy on mobile now
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best practice:
> >>>>>>> 1. To use subdir feature to specify dir to use via main module
> >>>>>>> 2. To follow npm best practices when publishing to npm (i.e. do
> not
> >>>>>> include everything, only the minimum required)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>> @csantanapr
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On May 31, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sorry to bring up a old thread instead of starting a new one but I
> >>>>>> thought
> >>>>>>>> the context might be relevant.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Currently, template pretty much copies over all of the files. I
> see
> >>>>>> this as
> >>>>>>>> a problem.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Example [1]. When you add a template, its package.json gets copied
> >>>> into
> >>>>>>>> your app. I don't think we want that to happen right?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Other files that are getting copied but shouldn't:
> >>>>>>>> - RELEASENOTES.md
> >>>>>>>> - README.md
> >>>>>>>> - .git (if you do it locally or f
> >>>>>>>> - NOTICE
> >>>>>>>> - LICENSE
> >>>>>>>> - COPYWRIGHT
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Files we want:
> >>>>>>>> - config.xml
> >>>>>>>> - .gitignore
> >>>>>>>> - .npmignore ?
> >>>>>>>> - node_modules?
> >>>>>>>> - platforms/plugins (if present)
> >>>>>>>> - hooks
> >>>>>>>> - merges
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> templates can provide additional info by setting a subdirectory in
> >>>> their
> >>>>>>>> package.json for where the template files live.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-11344.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Carlos Santana <
> >> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Oh I'm late on this thread.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Latest code is in master cordova-cli and cordova-lib
> >>>>>>>>> you have to link lib to cli to get it to show up.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> if you are lazy like me you can do "npm install -g
> >>>>>>>>> csantanapr/cordova-cli-dev"
> >>>>>>>>> To see the help "cordova help create"
> >>>>>>>>> --template=<PATH|NPM PACKAGE|GIT URL> ... use a custom template
> >>>> located
> >>>>>>>>> locally, in NPM, or GitHub.
> >>>>>>>>> Options:
> >>>>>>>>> --template=<PATH|NPM PACKAGE|GIT URL> ... use a custom
> template
> >>>>>>>>> located locally, in NPM, or GitHub.
> >>>>>>>>> --copy-from|src=<PATH> .................. deprecated, use
> >>>>>>>>> --template instead.
> >>>>>>>>> --link-to=<PATH> ........................ symlink to custom
> www
> >>>>>>>>> assets without creating a copy.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The goal is to help people getting started by using a package
> from
> >>>> npm
> >>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> starting point, I see the samples that Raymond produces being
> used
> >>>>>> with the
> >>>>>>>>> --template flag for novice users to get a sample running faster.
> >> also
> >>>>>>>>> opening the door for web frameworks to have their cordova
> template
> >> in
> >>>>>> npm,
> >>>>>>>>> or plugin creators to share templates that uses their plugin, and
> >>>>>> declare
> >>>>>>>>> the plugin in config.xml
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1. Omar
> >>>>>>>>> what you describe in your list what was implemented
> >>>>>>>>> The only thing, that was not implemented because was not in the
> >>>>>> proposal
> >>>>>>>>> and not discuss was ~/.cordova/config.json
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I didn't added because I think there should be a better
> >> architecture
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> config. That's another proposal I'm thinking on doing but it
> looks
> >>>>>> like how
> >>>>>>>>> npm does config
> >>>>>>>>> For example have "cordova config" cli
> >>>>>>>>> cordova config set template=my-app-hello
> >>>>>>>>> cordova config ls
> >>>>>>>>> and so...
> >>>>>>>>> so default configs can be override using the CLI
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 2. Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>> Let's have a hangout and let's, talk because I don't understand
> >> what
> >>>>>> is the
> >>>>>>>>> problem that --template is causing,
> >>>>>>>>> I don't understand if you don't want the flag present, or the
> >>>>>>>>> implementation, or you want to keep --copy-from as it is today.
> >>>>>>>>> Email is not helping to communicate what is what you think that
> is
> >>>>>> broken
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 3. Simon
> >>>>>>>>> There is no much documentation other than the help, and mentioned
> >> in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> docs.
> >>>>>>>>> Will love some help feedback and help on docs for this .
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/cordova-docs/blob/master/www/docs/en/dev/guide/cli/index.md
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/blob/master/doc/create.txt#L14
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Finally nothing is writing in stone, we can change, remove, add
> to
> >>>>>> this as
> >>>>>>>>> we iterate.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I thought I follow the our community practices as best I
> >> understood.
> >>>>>>>>> Wrote a proposal, communicated in the mailing list, got feedback
> to
> >>>>>> change
> >>>>>>>>> the original proposal to not exclude platforms/plugins and other
> >>>>>> changes.
> >>>>>>>>> had pointers to PR, JIRA, proposal, discussion, waited for
> feedback
> >>>> on
> >>>>>> PR,
> >>>>>>>>> gave a heads up on that there was no more feedback and everything
> >>>> that
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>> discuss was implemented.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I saw Dmitry'ss comments just after we merge, but I try to give
> >>>> enough
> >>>>>>>>> heads up. And will like to understand better what are his
> concerns.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:53 PM Simon MacDonald <
> >>>>>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Are there docs checked in anywhere that describe how to use the
> >>>>>>>>> --template
> >>>>>>>>>> flag?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Simon Mac Donald
> >>>>>>>>>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Raymond Camden <
> >>>>>> raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Looks like --template wasn't added to the CLI help. Will file a
> >>>> bug.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Steven Gill <
> >>>> stevengill97@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The thread was proposed Nov 10th and PR was merged Dec 3rd. I
> >>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ample time to give feedback. If people don't give feedback,
> >> apache
> >>>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> consider it as lazy consensus.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We do not vote on feature requests and I hope we never do as
> it
> >>>> is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> terrible practice. Good luck trying to get anything done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The `--template` flag currently there is the one that was
> added
> >> as
> >>>>>>>>> per
> >>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. I think in the future we should refrain from
> adding
> >>>> code
> >>>>>>>>>>> before
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a discussion completes, especially if there is contention. At
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>>>> least, we should probably hold a vote.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I’m definitely not a fan of adding flags just for the purpose
> of
> >>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>>>> specific convenience, but if I’m alone in that opinion then
> >> let’s
> >>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the majority decides.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Mefire O. <
> ommenjik@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We already have support for the --template flag in Cordova.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it currently only supports NPM packages and GIT
> URLs,
> >> no
> >>>>>>>>>> local
> >>>>>>>>>>>> folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The local folder scenario is currently being handled by
> >>>> --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>>>> (only
> >>>>>>>>>>>> www and config.xml are copied) and --link-to.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We also have a way of specifying default templates: throught
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> json
> >>>>>>>>>>>> file: cordova_project/.cordova/config.json.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - deprecate --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - update the current --template logic to support local
> folders
> >> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> addition to NPM and GIT URLs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - fallback to using the 'cordova-hello-world' template when
> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> critical
> >>>>>>>>>>>> option/file/folder isn’t present in the supplied template
> (e.g:
> >>>> user
> >>>>>>>>>> did
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not specify app_id, app_name or supplied template has no www
> >>>> folder)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - document .cordova/config.json (how it can be used to set
> >>>> default
> >>>>>>>>>>>> templates)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - copy platforms/plugins folders when creating from a
> template
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Omar Mefire
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:48 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. It was discuss in the mailing list, that use case #1 was
> >> not
> >>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>> it,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and to be replace by --template, user don't have to have
> >>>> config.xml
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> other cordova specific files they will be created. So the
> reason
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> deprecate --copy-from 2. yes it's similar to a cp or git
> clone,
> >>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>> also a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> download of npm, it will replace app name and id if they are
> >>>> passed
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> create command if template contains config.xml they will get
> >>>>>> replace,
> >>>>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>>>>> night mare not that many files to add if template purposely
> >>>> missing
> >>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>> config.xml and empty folders for hooks, plugins, platform.
> >>>> template
> >>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have a www and any other files outside www they want in their
> >>>>>>>>> template
> >>>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>> res/resource/ (cordova uses res, ionic uses resources, etc..)
> >>>>>>>>>>> .gitignore,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> .editorconfig, pacakge.json, etc.. any other files they which
> >>>> their
> >>>>>>>>> app
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have that template will get them started with.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:10 PM Dmitry Blotsky <
> >>>>>>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the summary, Carlos! Sorry, I hadn’t read the
> whole
> >>>>>>>>> thread
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I sent my question. I read up after your email, and I
> >> have
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better grasp on it now. My new questions are below.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. What is the `cordova create` command then doing if it’s
> >>>> copying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (potentially) the whole app it’s trying to create? The
> >>>>>>>>> `--copy-from`
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> flag creates fresh copies of Cordova-specific files and only
> >>>>>> copies
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the `www` folder, which is app-agnostic anyway.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Isn’t the new flag basically the same as an invocation of
> >>>> `cp`
> >>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> `git clone`? And if we’re going into the realm of examining
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> template and “filling in” potentially missing files, isn’t
> >> that
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> logical nightmare since there are so many possible things
> that
> >>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> missing in an app?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:00 AM, Carlos Santana <
> >>>> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The email thread has the details but in summary:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't handle npm and git as source It doesn't copy
> >>>>>> everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By adding npm and git having the flag copy-from it's
> >> confusing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:04 PM Dmitry Blotsky
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <db...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks. Sorry I'm late to the party, but why is
> >>>> `--copy-from`
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sufficient?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:09 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael we will love to hear your feedback, and we can
> >> improve
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top of what's initially there.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:04 PM Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Links to PRs where available for a while on the proposal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pull/339
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/pull/226
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM Michael Brooks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to see a pull request rather than a straight up
> >>>>>> merge,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the template discussion was more involved. Also,
> I'm
> >>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to seeing your work on this!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be working later today with James from my team
> on
> >>>>>>>>> merging
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial implementation of --template. it will update a
> >> few
> >>>>>>>>> repos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cli, lib, doc)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone oppose?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:50 PM Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alias, deprecate and later remove
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:49 PM Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree, --template is the new --copy-from :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:48 PM Shazron <
> >>>> shazron@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, we could deprecate --copy-from, and alias
> >>>> --template
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we shouldn't have both, it should just be one
> >>>>>>>>> implementation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Carlos Santana <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In some way we we are enhancing --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm OK to the copy blindly even plugins and
> >> platforms,
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid people creating templates when is not need it
> >> if
> >>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms and plugins
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I'm OK if we want to allow it, but I would not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens to work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't like the "--copy-from" name, I want to
> >> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "--template"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes path, giturl, and npm name
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:41 PM Carlos Santana <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What dynamic nature you want ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think using yeoman is bad idea, we tried at work
> >> at
> >>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> huge
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of foot print and number of dependencies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We then learned that just using the inquirer npm
> >>>> package
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave us
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to create an interactive experience in the
> >> CLI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least the first implementation I want to keep
> it
> >>>>>>>>> simple,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brought a good point about dynamic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will update proposal, add that if user passed
> any
> >> of
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arguments for create like app-id, app-name, or
> >>>>>>>>> app-version
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones in the template.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will double check with James to see if already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implemented
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current PR, if not then will added.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It terms of dynamic I think after we get the first
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would like to enhance on top of it with allowing
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts that can run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like before_create and after_create, then the
> >> template
> >>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specify
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scripts object of the package.json and cordova
> >> cli
> >>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template owner can run what ever they want even
> >>>> inquirer
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to user for additional things to setup with the
> >>>>>> template.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2f%2fwww.npmjs.com
> >>>>>>>>>> %2fpackage%2finquirer&data=01%7c01%7cdblo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sky%40microsoft.com
> >>>>>>>>>> %7c9fb3634d35ba45cd7a7508d2fcd60177%7c72
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=cGhgCrxXQToX3DsPn2O
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCsTQtcWl11IjuPpgRdFlco%3d
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:56 PM Parashuram N <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReactNative init does use yeoman - that is a good
> >>>> idea
> >>>>>>>>> !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mean that we need to depend on Yeoman also ?
> >>>> Does
> >>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply have a separate yeoman generator ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/15, 10:10 AM, "Gorkem Ercan"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <go...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about adding support for some more dynamic
> >>>>>>>>>> generation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we add yeoman as an option something like
> >>>> $cordova
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myApp
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --template=yo:m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to invoke the generator m ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gorkem
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2015, at 19:52, Carlos Santana wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would say that if they have "platforms" and
> >>>>>>>>> "plugins"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template, its consider a cordova project ready
> to
> >>>> be
> >>>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as cp-from, it's doesn't copy much only
> >> www
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config.xml, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to change it's behavior for backwards
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be good to mark it deprecated for a certain
> >> period
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for deprecating the copy-from.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:19 PM Parashuram N <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they would. However, there could be cases
> >>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have templates that have changes stuff in
> >>>> platforms,
> >>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custom
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins or hooks. I think that instead of
> adding
> >>>>>>>>> extra
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these things, we keep things simple, and copy
> >> over
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates can then decide what they want to
> do,
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle plugins or platforms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:
> >> stevengill97@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:16 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the plugins and platforms are listed in
> >>>>>>>>> config.xml,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get fetched on prepare?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Parashuram N
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it should copy platform and plugins
> >>>>>> folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the template. I think the guidance
> >> should
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates should not include a platform or a
> >>>> plugin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do - for reasons like custom plugins,
> etc,
> >>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that happen. The only enhancement from
> >>>> --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support npm and git URLs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:
> >>>> csantana23@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:26 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The template doesn't any special structure,
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> npm is already a template
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will add comment in PR about having fixtures
> in
> >>>>>>>>> tests
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses cases with different type of templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The code copies everything except plugins and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directories,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe it needs some comments to make it more
> >>>> clear
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should copy dot files like .gitignore,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .editorconfig,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bowerrc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important at least for me .gitignore, it
> helps
> >>>> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should ignore platforms and plugins from
> source
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is always YES. If they are asking then it
> means
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advise.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:27 PM Parashuram N
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 to the proposal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a structure of a sample template ?
> >>>> Also,
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy everything from npm or the gitURL,
> though
> >>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that dot file and hooks/platforms should
> >> not
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we talk about that in the proposal too ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:
> >>>>>>>>> raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>> ]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:01 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, nothing to add here but +1.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the only thing I'd add is that I wish
> >> there
> >>>>>>>>> was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *permanently* set a template. I hate the
> >> default
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (sorry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) and would love to make the CLI always use
> >> my
> >>>>>> own
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ryan J.
> Salva
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rs...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love it!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rjs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager
> >>>> Lead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visual
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studio
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova
> >> rsalva@microsoft.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:
> >>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> ]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:49 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the Face2Face meeting updating the
> >> cordova
> >>>>>>>>> cli
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates sounded like a good feature to
> add
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally got around to this and created
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubee from our team to take a stab at
> >>>>>>>>> implementation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI-Template proposal [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/blob/master/propos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> al
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s/C
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -T
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=emplates.m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d&
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a=
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com
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Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
Posted by Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>.
Yeah, I don’t really mean any more than what templates + create already do with config.xml.
Use case:
`cordova create mycoolapp —template=some-react-template`
cd mycoolapp
npm install
npm start
etc
The `some-react-template` by necessity will have a package.json with stuff in it (deps, npm scripts, etc) that the resulting created app will need in _its_ package.json.
However, with the new move to fetch and having all Cordova apps have a package.json (with cordoba-specific stuff in it), the resulting app will need the stuff that a newly created app gets + whatever the template needs to work/build/etc.
Does that make sense?
Stuff is a great word, just saying.
> On 1 Jun 2016, at 11:38 AM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By merge the package.json, do you mean update the package.name to the name
> of the app?
> On May 31, 2016 6:01 PM, "Tommy Williams" <to...@devgeeks.org> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, a subduer is fine as long as we can merge the package.json from the
>> template somehow…
>>
>> Dibs not writing that :/
>>
>>
>>> On 1 Jun 2016, at 10:47 AM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I definitely see the usecase tommy describes.
>>>
>>> I think subdir makes the most sense. package.json has a `dirname` field
>>> which would fetch everything in that subdirectory. This functionality
>>> already exists for `--template`.
>>>
>>> TLDR We should be a bit more picky for top level files we copy over but
>>> blindly copy over sub directory files
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Using a subdir makes a clear separation between final template files vs.
>>>> files associated with tooling, tests, packaging
>>>>
>>>> - Carlos Santana
>>>> @csantanapr
>>>>
>>>>> On May 31, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> `cordova create` is destructive by nature.
>>>>> Anything and everything required by the templated app should be part of
>>>>> what is copied. Our current blind folder copy needs to be more
>>>> intelligent.
>>>>> I would prefer that template files be in a sub-dir, much like they are
>> in
>>>>> each platform.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon and I faced a similar situation with making a plugin template[1]
>>>>> While only half baked at this point, the file structure is relevant I
>>>> think.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugin-template
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> @purplecabbage
>>>>> risingj.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .npmignore can help with some of those unwanted files, but not all…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, what happens in the circumstance when the template _does_
>> need
>>>> a
>>>>>> package.json file, such as the react-hot-loader template Jed and I
>>>> made? It
>>>>>> has npm dips and npm scripts that are vital to how it works in its
>>>>>> package,json. We can’t just omit files, Similarly, a template might
>>>> include
>>>>>> hooks and merges as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - tommy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Jun 2016, at 8:22 AM, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I opened a JIRA for ignoring .git
>>>>>>> Don't have it handy on mobile now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best practice:
>>>>>>> 1. To use subdir feature to specify dir to use via main module
>>>>>>> 2. To follow npm best practices when publishing to npm (i.e. do not
>>>>>> include everything, only the minimum required)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Carlos Santana
>>>>>>> @csantanapr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 31, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry to bring up a old thread instead of starting a new one but I
>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>> the context might be relevant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Currently, template pretty much copies over all of the files. I see
>>>>>> this as
>>>>>>>> a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Example [1]. When you add a template, its package.json gets copied
>>>> into
>>>>>>>> your app. I don't think we want that to happen right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other files that are getting copied but shouldn't:
>>>>>>>> - RELEASENOTES.md
>>>>>>>> - README.md
>>>>>>>> - .git (if you do it locally or f
>>>>>>>> - NOTICE
>>>>>>>> - LICENSE
>>>>>>>> - COPYWRIGHT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Files we want:
>>>>>>>> - config.xml
>>>>>>>> - .gitignore
>>>>>>>> - .npmignore ?
>>>>>>>> - node_modules?
>>>>>>>> - platforms/plugins (if present)
>>>>>>>> - hooks
>>>>>>>> - merges
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> templates can provide additional info by setting a subdirectory in
>>>> their
>>>>>>>> package.json for where the template files live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-11344.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Carlos Santana <
>> csantana23@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh I'm late on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Latest code is in master cordova-cli and cordova-lib
>>>>>>>>> you have to link lib to cli to get it to show up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> if you are lazy like me you can do "npm install -g
>>>>>>>>> csantanapr/cordova-cli-dev"
>>>>>>>>> To see the help "cordova help create"
>>>>>>>>> --template=<PATH|NPM PACKAGE|GIT URL> ... use a custom template
>>>> located
>>>>>>>>> locally, in NPM, or GitHub.
>>>>>>>>> Options:
>>>>>>>>> --template=<PATH|NPM PACKAGE|GIT URL> ... use a custom template
>>>>>>>>> located locally, in NPM, or GitHub.
>>>>>>>>> --copy-from|src=<PATH> .................. deprecated, use
>>>>>>>>> --template instead.
>>>>>>>>> --link-to=<PATH> ........................ symlink to custom www
>>>>>>>>> assets without creating a copy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The goal is to help people getting started by using a package from
>>>> npm
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> starting point, I see the samples that Raymond produces being used
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> --template flag for novice users to get a sample running faster.
>> also
>>>>>>>>> opening the door for web frameworks to have their cordova template
>> in
>>>>>> npm,
>>>>>>>>> or plugin creators to share templates that uses their plugin, and
>>>>>> declare
>>>>>>>>> the plugin in config.xml
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Omar
>>>>>>>>> what you describe in your list what was implemented
>>>>>>>>> The only thing, that was not implemented because was not in the
>>>>>> proposal
>>>>>>>>> and not discuss was ~/.cordova/config.json
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't added because I think there should be a better
>> architecture
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> config. That's another proposal I'm thinking on doing but it looks
>>>>>> like how
>>>>>>>>> npm does config
>>>>>>>>> For example have "cordova config" cli
>>>>>>>>> cordova config set template=my-app-hello
>>>>>>>>> cordova config ls
>>>>>>>>> and so...
>>>>>>>>> so default configs can be override using the CLI
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. Dmitry
>>>>>>>>> Let's have a hangout and let's, talk because I don't understand
>> what
>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>> problem that --template is causing,
>>>>>>>>> I don't understand if you don't want the flag present, or the
>>>>>>>>> implementation, or you want to keep --copy-from as it is today.
>>>>>>>>> Email is not helping to communicate what is what you think that is
>>>>>> broken
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. Simon
>>>>>>>>> There is no much documentation other than the help, and mentioned
>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> docs.
>>>>>>>>> Will love some help feedback and help on docs for this .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-docs/blob/master/www/docs/en/dev/guide/cli/index.md
>>>>>>>>>
>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/blob/master/doc/create.txt#L14
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Finally nothing is writing in stone, we can change, remove, add to
>>>>>> this as
>>>>>>>>> we iterate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thought I follow the our community practices as best I
>> understood.
>>>>>>>>> Wrote a proposal, communicated in the mailing list, got feedback to
>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>> the original proposal to not exclude platforms/plugins and other
>>>>>> changes.
>>>>>>>>> had pointers to PR, JIRA, proposal, discussion, waited for feedback
>>>> on
>>>>>> PR,
>>>>>>>>> gave a heads up on that there was no more feedback and everything
>>>> that
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> discuss was implemented.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I saw Dmitry'ss comments just after we merge, but I try to give
>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>> heads up. And will like to understand better what are his concerns.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:53 PM Simon MacDonald <
>>>>>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are there docs checked in anywhere that describe how to use the
>>>>>>>>> --template
>>>>>>>>>> flag?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Simon Mac Donald
>>>>>>>>>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Raymond Camden <
>>>>>> raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like --template wasn't added to the CLI help. Will file a
>>>> bug.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Steven Gill <
>>>> stevengill97@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The thread was proposed Nov 10th and PR was merged Dec 3rd. I
>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> ample time to give feedback. If people don't give feedback,
>> apache
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> consider it as lazy consensus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We do not vote on feature requests and I hope we never do as it
>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> terrible practice. Good luck trying to get anything done.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The `--template` flag currently there is the one that was added
>> as
>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. I think in the future we should refrain from adding
>>>> code
>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>> a discussion completes, especially if there is contention. At
>> the
>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> least, we should probably hold a vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m definitely not a fan of adding flags just for the purpose of
>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> specific convenience, but if I’m alone in that opinion then
>> let’s
>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the majority decides.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Mefire O. <om...@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We already have support for the --template flag in Cordova.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it currently only supports NPM packages and GIT URLs,
>> no
>>>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>>>>> folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The local folder scenario is currently being handled by
>>>> --copy-from
>>>>>>>>>>> (only
>>>>>>>>>>>> www and config.xml are copied) and --link-to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We also have a way of specifying default templates: throught
>> the
>>>>>>>>> json
>>>>>>>>>>>> file: cordova_project/.cordova/config.json.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - deprecate --copy-from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - update the current --template logic to support local folders
>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> addition to NPM and GIT URLs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - fallback to using the 'cordova-hello-world' template when a
>>>>>>>>>>> critical
>>>>>>>>>>>> option/file/folder isn’t present in the supplied template (e.g:
>>>> user
>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>> not specify app_id, app_name or supplied template has no www
>>>> folder)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - document .cordova/config.json (how it can be used to set
>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>> templates)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - copy platforms/plugins folders when creating from a template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omar Mefire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:48 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dmitry
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. It was discuss in the mailing list, that use case #1 was
>> not
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and to be replace by --template, user don't have to have
>>>> config.xml
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> other cordova specific files they will be created. So the reason
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> deprecate --copy-from 2. yes it's similar to a cp or git clone,
>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> also a
>>>>>>>>>>>> download of npm, it will replace app name and id if they are
>>>> passed
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> create command if template contains config.xml they will get
>>>>>> replace,
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> night mare not that many files to add if template purposely
>>>> missing
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>> config.xml and empty folders for hooks, plugins, platform.
>>>> template
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a www and any other files outside www they want in their
>>>>>>>>> template
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> res/resource/ (cordova uses res, ionic uses resources, etc..)
>>>>>>>>>>> .gitignore,
>>>>>>>>>>>> .editorconfig, pacakge.json, etc.. any other files they which
>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> app
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> have that template will get them started with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:10 PM Dmitry Blotsky <
>>>>>>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the summary, Carlos! Sorry, I hadn’t read the whole
>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I sent my question. I read up after your email, and I
>> have
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better grasp on it now. My new questions are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. What is the `cordova create` command then doing if it’s
>>>> copying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (potentially) the whole app it’s trying to create? The
>>>>>>>>> `--copy-from`
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flag creates fresh copies of Cordova-specific files and only
>>>>>> copies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the `www` folder, which is app-agnostic anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Isn’t the new flag basically the same as an invocation of
>>>> `cp`
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `git clone`? And if we’re going into the realm of examining
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template and “filling in” potentially missing files, isn’t
>> that
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logical nightmare since there are so many possible things that
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> missing in an app?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:00 AM, Carlos Santana <
>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The email thread has the details but in summary:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't handle npm and git as source It doesn't copy
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By adding npm and git having the flag copy-from it's
>> confusing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:04 PM Dmitry Blotsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <db...@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks. Sorry I'm late to the party, but why is
>>>> `--copy-from`
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sufficient?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:09 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael we will love to hear your feedback, and we can
>> improve
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top of what's initially there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:04 PM Carlos Santana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Links to PRs where available for a while on the proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pull/339
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/pull/226
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM Michael Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to see a pull request rather than a straight up
>>>>>> merge,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the template discussion was more involved. Also, I'm
>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to seeing your work on this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Carlos Santana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be working later today with James from my team on
>>>>>>>>> merging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial implementation of --template. it will update a
>> few
>>>>>>>>> repos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cli, lib, doc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone oppose?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:50 PM Carlos Santana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alias, deprecate and later remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:49 PM Carlos Santana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree, --template is the new --copy-from :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:48 PM Shazron <
>>>> shazron@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, we could deprecate --copy-from, and alias
>>>> --template
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we shouldn't have both, it should just be one
>>>>>>>>> implementation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Carlos Santana <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In some way we we are enhancing --copy-from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm OK to the copy blindly even plugins and
>> platforms,
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid people creating templates when is not need it
>> if
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms and plugins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I'm OK if we want to allow it, but I would not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't like the "--copy-from" name, I want to
>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "--template"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes path, giturl, and npm name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:41 PM Carlos Santana <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What dynamic nature you want ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think using yeoman is bad idea, we tried at work
>> at
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of foot print and number of dependencies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We then learned that just using the inquirer npm
>>>> package
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to create an interactive experience in the
>> CLI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least the first implementation I want to keep it
>>>>>>>>> simple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brought a good point about dynamic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will update proposal, add that if user passed any
>> of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arguments for create like app-id, app-name, or
>>>>>>>>> app-version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones in the template.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will double check with James to see if already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implemented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current PR, if not then will added.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It terms of dynamic I think after we get the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would like to enhance on top of it with allowing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts that can run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like before_create and after_create, then the
>> template
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scripts object of the package.json and cordova
>> cli
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template owner can run what ever they want even
>>>> inquirer
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to user for additional things to setup with the
>>>>>> template.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2f%2fwww.npmjs.com
>>>>>>>>>> %2fpackage%2finquirer&data=01%7c01%7cdblo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sky%40microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>>> %7c9fb3634d35ba45cd7a7508d2fcd60177%7c72
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=cGhgCrxXQToX3DsPn2O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCsTQtcWl11IjuPpgRdFlco%3d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:56 PM Parashuram N <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReactNative init does use yeoman - that is a good
>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>> !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mean that we need to depend on Yeoman also ?
>>>> Does
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply have a separate yeoman generator ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/15, 10:10 AM, "Gorkem Ercan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <go...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about adding support for some more dynamic
>>>>>>>>>> generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we add yeoman as an option something like
>>>> $cordova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myApp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --template=yo:m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to invoke the generator m ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gorkem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2015, at 19:52, Carlos Santana wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would say that if they have "platforms" and
>>>>>>>>> "plugins"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template, its consider a cordova project ready to
>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as cp-from, it's doesn't copy much only
>> www
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config.xml, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to change it's behavior for backwards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be good to mark it deprecated for a certain
>> period
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for deprecating the copy-from.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:19 PM Parashuram N <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they would. However, there could be cases
>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have templates that have changes stuff in
>>>> platforms,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins or hooks. I think that instead of adding
>>>>>>>>> extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these things, we keep things simple, and copy
>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates can then decide what they want to do,
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle plugins or platforms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:
>> stevengill97@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:16 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the plugins and platforms are listed in
>>>>>>>>> config.xml,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get fetched on prepare?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Parashuram N
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it should copy platform and plugins
>>>>>> folders,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the template. I think the guidance
>> should
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates should not include a platform or a
>>>> plugin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do - for reasons like custom plugins, etc,
>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that happen. The only enhancement from
>>>> --copy-from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support npm and git URLs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:
>>>> csantana23@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:26 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The template doesn't any special structure, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> npm is already a template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will add comment in PR about having fixtures in
>>>>>>>>> tests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses cases with different type of templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The code copies everything except plugins and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directories,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe it needs some comments to make it more
>>>> clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should copy dot files like .gitignore,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .editorconfig,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bowerrc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important at least for me .gitignore, it helps
>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should ignore platforms and plugins from source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is always YES. If they are asking then it means
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:27 PM Parashuram N
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 to the proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a structure of a sample template ?
>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy everything from npm or the gitURL, though
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that dot file and hooks/platforms should
>> not
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we talk about that in the proposal too ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, nothing to add here but +1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the only thing I'd add is that I wish
>> there
>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *permanently* set a template. I hate the
>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (sorry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) and would love to make the CLI always use
>> my
>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ryan J. Salva
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rs...@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rjs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager
>>>> Lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova
>> rsalva@microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:
>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the Face2Face meeting updating the
>> cordova
>>>>>>>>> cli
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates sounded like a good feature to add
>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally got around to this and created the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubee from our team to take a stab at
>>>>>>>>> implementation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI-Template proposal [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/blob/master/propos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> al
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s/C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -T
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=emplates.m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d&
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a=
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Carlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =============================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> == ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate
>> for
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IBM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog :
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
Posted by Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>.
By merge the package.json, do you mean update the package.name to the name
of the app?
On May 31, 2016 6:01 PM, "Tommy Williams" <to...@devgeeks.org> wrote:
> Yeah, a subduer is fine as long as we can merge the package.json from the
> template somehow…
>
> Dibs not writing that :/
>
>
> > On 1 Jun 2016, at 10:47 AM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I definitely see the usecase tommy describes.
> >
> > I think subdir makes the most sense. package.json has a `dirname` field
> > which would fetch everything in that subdirectory. This functionality
> > already exists for `--template`.
> >
> > TLDR We should be a bit more picky for top level files we copy over but
> > blindly copy over sub directory files
> >
> > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Using a subdir makes a clear separation between final template files vs.
> >> files associated with tooling, tests, packaging
> >>
> >> - Carlos Santana
> >> @csantanapr
> >>
> >>> On May 31, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> `cordova create` is destructive by nature.
> >>> Anything and everything required by the templated app should be part of
> >>> what is copied. Our current blind folder copy needs to be more
> >> intelligent.
> >>> I would prefer that template files be in a sub-dir, much like they are
> in
> >>> each platform.
> >>>
> >>> Simon and I faced a similar situation with making a plugin template[1]
> >>> While only half baked at this point, the file structure is relevant I
> >> think.
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugin-template
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> @purplecabbage
> >>> risingj.com
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> .npmignore can help with some of those unwanted files, but not all…
> >>>>
> >>>> However, what happens in the circumstance when the template _does_
> need
> >> a
> >>>> package.json file, such as the react-hot-loader template Jed and I
> >> made? It
> >>>> has npm dips and npm scripts that are vital to how it works in its
> >>>> package,json. We can’t just omit files, Similarly, a template might
> >> include
> >>>> hooks and merges as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> - tommy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 1 Jun 2016, at 8:22 AM, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I opened a JIRA for ignoring .git
> >>>>> Don't have it handy on mobile now
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best practice:
> >>>>> 1. To use subdir feature to specify dir to use via main module
> >>>>> 2. To follow npm best practices when publishing to npm (i.e. do not
> >>>> include everything, only the minimum required)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Carlos Santana
> >>>>> @csantanapr
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 31, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sorry to bring up a old thread instead of starting a new one but I
> >>>> thought
> >>>>>> the context might be relevant.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Currently, template pretty much copies over all of the files. I see
> >>>> this as
> >>>>>> a problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Example [1]. When you add a template, its package.json gets copied
> >> into
> >>>>>> your app. I don't think we want that to happen right?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Other files that are getting copied but shouldn't:
> >>>>>> - RELEASENOTES.md
> >>>>>> - README.md
> >>>>>> - .git (if you do it locally or f
> >>>>>> - NOTICE
> >>>>>> - LICENSE
> >>>>>> - COPYWRIGHT
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Files we want:
> >>>>>> - config.xml
> >>>>>> - .gitignore
> >>>>>> - .npmignore ?
> >>>>>> - node_modules?
> >>>>>> - platforms/plugins (if present)
> >>>>>> - hooks
> >>>>>> - merges
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> templates can provide additional info by setting a subdirectory in
> >> their
> >>>>>> package.json for where the template files live.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-11344.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Carlos Santana <
> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh I'm late on this thread.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Latest code is in master cordova-cli and cordova-lib
> >>>>>>> you have to link lib to cli to get it to show up.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> if you are lazy like me you can do "npm install -g
> >>>>>>> csantanapr/cordova-cli-dev"
> >>>>>>> To see the help "cordova help create"
> >>>>>>> --template=<PATH|NPM PACKAGE|GIT URL> ... use a custom template
> >> located
> >>>>>>> locally, in NPM, or GitHub.
> >>>>>>> Options:
> >>>>>>> --template=<PATH|NPM PACKAGE|GIT URL> ... use a custom template
> >>>>>>> located locally, in NPM, or GitHub.
> >>>>>>> --copy-from|src=<PATH> .................. deprecated, use
> >>>>>>> --template instead.
> >>>>>>> --link-to=<PATH> ........................ symlink to custom www
> >>>>>>> assets without creating a copy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The goal is to help people getting started by using a package from
> >> npm
> >>>> as
> >>>>>>> starting point, I see the samples that Raymond produces being used
> >>>> with the
> >>>>>>> --template flag for novice users to get a sample running faster.
> also
> >>>>>>> opening the door for web frameworks to have their cordova template
> in
> >>>> npm,
> >>>>>>> or plugin creators to share templates that uses their plugin, and
> >>>> declare
> >>>>>>> the plugin in config.xml
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. Omar
> >>>>>>> what you describe in your list what was implemented
> >>>>>>> The only thing, that was not implemented because was not in the
> >>>> proposal
> >>>>>>> and not discuss was ~/.cordova/config.json
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I didn't added because I think there should be a better
> architecture
> >>>> for
> >>>>>>> config. That's another proposal I'm thinking on doing but it looks
> >>>> like how
> >>>>>>> npm does config
> >>>>>>> For example have "cordova config" cli
> >>>>>>> cordova config set template=my-app-hello
> >>>>>>> cordova config ls
> >>>>>>> and so...
> >>>>>>> so default configs can be override using the CLI
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. Dmitry
> >>>>>>> Let's have a hangout and let's, talk because I don't understand
> what
> >>>> is the
> >>>>>>> problem that --template is causing,
> >>>>>>> I don't understand if you don't want the flag present, or the
> >>>>>>> implementation, or you want to keep --copy-from as it is today.
> >>>>>>> Email is not helping to communicate what is what you think that is
> >>>> broken
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. Simon
> >>>>>>> There is no much documentation other than the help, and mentioned
> in
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>> docs.
> >>>>>>> Will love some help feedback and help on docs for this .
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/cordova-docs/blob/master/www/docs/en/dev/guide/cli/index.md
> >>>>>>>
> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/blob/master/doc/create.txt#L14
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Finally nothing is writing in stone, we can change, remove, add to
> >>>> this as
> >>>>>>> we iterate.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I thought I follow the our community practices as best I
> understood.
> >>>>>>> Wrote a proposal, communicated in the mailing list, got feedback to
> >>>> change
> >>>>>>> the original proposal to not exclude platforms/plugins and other
> >>>> changes.
> >>>>>>> had pointers to PR, JIRA, proposal, discussion, waited for feedback
> >> on
> >>>> PR,
> >>>>>>> gave a heads up on that there was no more feedback and everything
> >> that
> >>>> was
> >>>>>>> discuss was implemented.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I saw Dmitry'ss comments just after we merge, but I try to give
> >> enough
> >>>>>>> heads up. And will like to understand better what are his concerns.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:53 PM Simon MacDonald <
> >>>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are there docs checked in anywhere that describe how to use the
> >>>>>>> --template
> >>>>>>>> flag?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Simon Mac Donald
> >>>>>>>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Raymond Camden <
> >>>> raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Looks like --template wasn't added to the CLI help. Will file a
> >> bug.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Steven Gill <
> >> stevengill97@gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> The thread was proposed Nov 10th and PR was merged Dec 3rd. I
> >> think
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> ample time to give feedback. If people don't give feedback,
> apache
> >>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> consider it as lazy consensus.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We do not vote on feature requests and I hope we never do as it
> >> is a
> >>>>>>>>>> terrible practice. Good luck trying to get anything done.
> >>>>>>>>>> The `--template` flag currently there is the one that was added
> as
> >>>>>>> per
> >>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>> discussion. I think in the future we should refrain from adding
> >> code
> >>>>>>>>> before
> >>>>>>>>>> a discussion completes, especially if there is contention. At
> the
> >>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>> least, we should probably hold a vote.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m definitely not a fan of adding flags just for the purpose of
> >>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>> specific convenience, but if I’m alone in that opinion then
> let’s
> >> do
> >>>>>>>>>> whatever the majority decides.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Mefire O. <om...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> We already have support for the --template flag in Cordova.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> However, it currently only supports NPM packages and GIT URLs,
> no
> >>>>>>>> local
> >>>>>>>>>> folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>> The local folder scenario is currently being handled by
> >> --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>> (only
> >>>>>>>>>> www and config.xml are copied) and --link-to.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> We also have a way of specifying default templates: throught
> the
> >>>>>>> json
> >>>>>>>>>> file: cordova_project/.cordova/config.json.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think we should:
> >>>>>>>>>>> - deprecate --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>>>> - update the current --template logic to support local folders
> in
> >>>>>>>>>> addition to NPM and GIT URLs
> >>>>>>>>>>> - fallback to using the 'cordova-hello-world' template when a
> >>>>>>>>> critical
> >>>>>>>>>> option/file/folder isn’t present in the supplied template (e.g:
> >> user
> >>>>>>>> did
> >>>>>>>>>> not specify app_id, app_name or supplied template has no www
> >> folder)
> >>>>>>>>>>> - document .cordova/config.json (how it can be used to set
> >> default
> >>>>>>>>>> templates)
> >>>>>>>>>>> - copy platforms/plugins folders when creating from a template
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Omar Mefire
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:48 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. It was discuss in the mailing list, that use case #1 was
> not
> >>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>> it,
> >>>>>>>>>> and to be replace by --template, user don't have to have
> >> config.xml
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> other cordova specific files they will be created. So the reason
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>>> deprecate --copy-from 2. yes it's similar to a cp or git clone,
> >> but
> >>>>>>>>> also a
> >>>>>>>>>> download of npm, it will replace app name and id if they are
> >> passed
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> create command if template contains config.xml they will get
> >>>> replace,
> >>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>>> night mare not that many files to add if template purposely
> >> missing
> >>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>> config.xml and empty folders for hooks, plugins, platform.
> >> template
> >>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>> have a www and any other files outside www they want in their
> >>>>>>> template
> >>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>> res/resource/ (cordova uses res, ionic uses resources, etc..)
> >>>>>>>>> .gitignore,
> >>>>>>>>>> .editorconfig, pacakge.json, etc.. any other files they which
> >> their
> >>>>>>> app
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> have that template will get them started with.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:10 PM Dmitry Blotsky <
> >>>>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the summary, Carlos! Sorry, I hadn’t read the whole
> >>>>>>> thread
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when I sent my question. I read up after your email, and I
> have
> >> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> better grasp on it now. My new questions are below.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. What is the `cordova create` command then doing if it’s
> >> copying
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (potentially) the whole app it’s trying to create? The
> >>>>>>> `--copy-from`
> >>>>>>>>>>>> flag creates fresh copies of Cordova-specific files and only
> >>>> copies
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the `www` folder, which is app-agnostic anyway.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Isn’t the new flag basically the same as an invocation of
> >> `cp`
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>> `git clone`? And if we’re going into the realm of examining
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> template and “filling in” potentially missing files, isn’t
> that
> >> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> logical nightmare since there are so many possible things that
> >>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>> missing in an app?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:00 AM, Carlos Santana <
> >> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The email thread has the details but in summary:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't handle npm and git as source It doesn't copy
> >>>> everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> By adding npm and git having the flag copy-from it's
> confusing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:04 PM Dmitry Blotsky
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <db...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks. Sorry I'm late to the party, but why is
> >> `--copy-from`
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sufficient?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:09 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael we will love to hear your feedback, and we can
> improve
> >>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> top of what's initially there.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:04 PM Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Links to PRs where available for a while on the proposal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pull/339
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/pull/226
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM Michael Brooks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to see a pull request rather than a straight up
> >>>> merge,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the template discussion was more involved. Also, I'm
> >>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to seeing your work on this!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be working later today with James from my team on
> >>>>>>> merging
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial implementation of --template. it will update a
> few
> >>>>>>> repos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cli, lib, doc)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone oppose?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:50 PM Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alias, deprecate and later remove
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:49 PM Carlos Santana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree, --template is the new --copy-from :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:48 PM Shazron <
> >> shazron@gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, we could deprecate --copy-from, and alias
> >> --template
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we shouldn't have both, it should just be one
> >>>>>>> implementation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Carlos Santana <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In some way we we are enhancing --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm OK to the copy blindly even plugins and
> platforms,
> >> I
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid people creating templates when is not need it
> if
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms and plugins
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I'm OK if we want to allow it, but I would not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens to work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't like the "--copy-from" name, I want to
> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "--template"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes path, giturl, and npm name
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:41 PM Carlos Santana <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What dynamic nature you want ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think using yeoman is bad idea, we tried at work
> at
> >> is
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> huge
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of foot print and number of dependencies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We then learned that just using the inquirer npm
> >> package
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave us
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to create an interactive experience in the
> CLI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least the first implementation I want to keep it
> >>>>>>> simple,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brought a good point about dynamic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will update proposal, add that if user passed any
> of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arguments for create like app-id, app-name, or
> >>>>>>> app-version
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones in the template.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will double check with James to see if already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implemented
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current PR, if not then will added.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It terms of dynamic I think after we get the first
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would like to enhance on top of it with allowing the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts that can run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like before_create and after_create, then the
> template
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specify
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scripts object of the package.json and cordova
> cli
> >>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template owner can run what ever they want even
> >> inquirer
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to user for additional things to setup with the
> >>>> template.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2f%2fwww.npmjs.com
> >>>>>>>> %2fpackage%2finquirer&data=01%7c01%7cdblo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sky%40microsoft.com
> >>>>>>>> %7c9fb3634d35ba45cd7a7508d2fcd60177%7c72
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=cGhgCrxXQToX3DsPn2O
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCsTQtcWl11IjuPpgRdFlco%3d
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:56 PM Parashuram N <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReactNative init does use yeoman - that is a good
> >> idea
> >>>>>>> !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mean that we need to depend on Yeoman also ?
> >> Does
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply have a separate yeoman generator ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/15, 10:10 AM, "Gorkem Ercan"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <go...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about adding support for some more dynamic
> >>>>>>>> generation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we add yeoman as an option something like
> >> $cordova
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myApp
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --template=yo:m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to invoke the generator m ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gorkem
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2015, at 19:52, Carlos Santana wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would say that if they have "platforms" and
> >>>>>>> "plugins"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template, its consider a cordova project ready to
> >> be
> >>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as cp-from, it's doesn't copy much only
> www
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config.xml, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to change it's behavior for backwards
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be good to mark it deprecated for a certain
> period
> >> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for deprecating the copy-from.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:19 PM Parashuram N <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they would. However, there could be cases
> >> where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have templates that have changes stuff in
> >> platforms,
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custom
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins or hooks. I think that instead of adding
> >>>>>>> extra
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these things, we keep things simple, and copy
> over
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates can then decide what they want to do,
> >> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle plugins or platforms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:
> stevengill97@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:16 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the plugins and platforms are listed in
> >>>>>>> config.xml,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get fetched on prepare?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Parashuram N
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it should copy platform and plugins
> >>>> folders,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the template. I think the guidance
> should
> >>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates should not include a platform or a
> >> plugin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do - for reasons like custom plugins, etc,
> >>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that happen. The only enhancement from
> >> --copy-from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support npm and git URLs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:
> >> csantana23@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:26 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The template doesn't any special structure, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> npm is already a template
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will add comment in PR about having fixtures in
> >>>>>>> tests
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses cases with different type of templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The code copies everything except plugins and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directories,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe it needs some comments to make it more
> >> clear
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should copy dot files like .gitignore,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .editorconfig,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bowerrc
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important at least for me .gitignore, it helps
> >> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should ignore platforms and plugins from source
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is always YES. If they are asking then it means
> >>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advise.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:27 PM Parashuram N
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 to the proposal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a structure of a sample template ?
> >> Also,
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy everything from npm or the gitURL, though
> >> in
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that dot file and hooks/platforms should
> not
> >>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we talk about that in the proposal too ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:
> >>>>>>> raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> ]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:01 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, nothing to add here but +1.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the only thing I'd add is that I wish
> there
> >>>>>>> was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *permanently* set a template. I hate the
> default
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (sorry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) and would love to make the CLI always use
> my
> >>>> own
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ryan J. Salva
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rs...@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love it!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rjs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager
> >> Lead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visual
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studio
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova
> rsalva@microsoft.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:
> >>>> csantana23@gmail.com
> >>>>>>> ]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:49 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the Face2Face meeting updating the
> cordova
> >>>>>>> cli
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates sounded like a good feature to add
> to
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally got around to this and created the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubee from our team to take a stab at
> >>>>>>> implementation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI-Template proposal [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/blob/master/propos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> al
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s/C
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -T
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=emplates.m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d&
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a=
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %7ce586e8f64dae4418c1b708d2ea158
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9e
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uydWn7HfTJO8c7W0LTz98U%3d
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Carlos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> == ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate
> for
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Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
Posted by Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>.
Yeah, a subduer is fine as long as we can merge the package.json from the template somehow…
Dibs not writing that :/
> On 1 Jun 2016, at 10:47 AM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I definitely see the usecase tommy describes.
>
> I think subdir makes the most sense. package.json has a `dirname` field
> which would fetch everything in that subdirectory. This functionality
> already exists for `--template`.
>
> TLDR We should be a bit more picky for top level files we copy over but
> blindly copy over sub directory files
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Using a subdir makes a clear separation between final template files vs.
>> files associated with tooling, tests, packaging
>>
>> - Carlos Santana
>> @csantanapr
>>
>>> On May 31, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> `cordova create` is destructive by nature.
>>> Anything and everything required by the templated app should be part of
>>> what is copied. Our current blind folder copy needs to be more
>> intelligent.
>>> I would prefer that template files be in a sub-dir, much like they are in
>>> each platform.
>>>
>>> Simon and I faced a similar situation with making a plugin template[1]
>>> While only half baked at this point, the file structure is relevant I
>> think.
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugin-template
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @purplecabbage
>>> risingj.com
>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Tommy Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> .npmignore can help with some of those unwanted files, but not all…
>>>>
>>>> However, what happens in the circumstance when the template _does_ need
>> a
>>>> package.json file, such as the react-hot-loader template Jed and I
>> made? It
>>>> has npm dips and npm scripts that are vital to how it works in its
>>>> package,json. We can’t just omit files, Similarly, a template might
>> include
>>>> hooks and merges as well.
>>>>
>>>> - tommy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Jun 2016, at 8:22 AM, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I opened a JIRA for ignoring .git
>>>>> Don't have it handy on mobile now
>>>>>
>>>>> Best practice:
>>>>> 1. To use subdir feature to specify dir to use via main module
>>>>> 2. To follow npm best practices when publishing to npm (i.e. do not
>>>> include everything, only the minimum required)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Carlos Santana
>>>>> @csantanapr
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 31, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to bring up a old thread instead of starting a new one but I
>>>> thought
>>>>>> the context might be relevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently, template pretty much copies over all of the files. I see
>>>> this as
>>>>>> a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Example [1]. When you add a template, its package.json gets copied
>> into
>>>>>> your app. I don't think we want that to happen right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other files that are getting copied but shouldn't:
>>>>>> - RELEASENOTES.md
>>>>>> - README.md
>>>>>> - .git (if you do it locally or f
>>>>>> - NOTICE
>>>>>> - LICENSE
>>>>>> - COPYWRIGHT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Files we want:
>>>>>> - config.xml
>>>>>> - .gitignore
>>>>>> - .npmignore ?
>>>>>> - node_modules?
>>>>>> - platforms/plugins (if present)
>>>>>> - hooks
>>>>>> - merges
>>>>>>
>>>>>> templates can provide additional info by setting a subdirectory in
>> their
>>>>>> package.json for where the template files live.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-11344.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com
>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh I'm late on this thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Latest code is in master cordova-cli and cordova-lib
>>>>>>> you have to link lib to cli to get it to show up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if you are lazy like me you can do "npm install -g
>>>>>>> csantanapr/cordova-cli-dev"
>>>>>>> To see the help "cordova help create"
>>>>>>> --template=<PATH|NPM PACKAGE|GIT URL> ... use a custom template
>> located
>>>>>>> locally, in NPM, or GitHub.
>>>>>>> Options:
>>>>>>> --template=<PATH|NPM PACKAGE|GIT URL> ... use a custom template
>>>>>>> located locally, in NPM, or GitHub.
>>>>>>> --copy-from|src=<PATH> .................. deprecated, use
>>>>>>> --template instead.
>>>>>>> --link-to=<PATH> ........................ symlink to custom www
>>>>>>> assets without creating a copy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The goal is to help people getting started by using a package from
>> npm
>>>> as
>>>>>>> starting point, I see the samples that Raymond produces being used
>>>> with the
>>>>>>> --template flag for novice users to get a sample running faster. also
>>>>>>> opening the door for web frameworks to have their cordova template in
>>>> npm,
>>>>>>> or plugin creators to share templates that uses their plugin, and
>>>> declare
>>>>>>> the plugin in config.xml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Omar
>>>>>>> what you describe in your list what was implemented
>>>>>>> The only thing, that was not implemented because was not in the
>>>> proposal
>>>>>>> and not discuss was ~/.cordova/config.json
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't added because I think there should be a better architecture
>>>> for
>>>>>>> config. That's another proposal I'm thinking on doing but it looks
>>>> like how
>>>>>>> npm does config
>>>>>>> For example have "cordova config" cli
>>>>>>> cordova config set template=my-app-hello
>>>>>>> cordova config ls
>>>>>>> and so...
>>>>>>> so default configs can be override using the CLI
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Dmitry
>>>>>>> Let's have a hangout and let's, talk because I don't understand what
>>>> is the
>>>>>>> problem that --template is causing,
>>>>>>> I don't understand if you don't want the flag present, or the
>>>>>>> implementation, or you want to keep --copy-from as it is today.
>>>>>>> Email is not helping to communicate what is what you think that is
>>>> broken
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Simon
>>>>>>> There is no much documentation other than the help, and mentioned in
>>>> the
>>>>>>> docs.
>>>>>>> Will love some help feedback and help on docs for this .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-docs/blob/master/www/docs/en/dev/guide/cli/index.md
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/blob/master/doc/create.txt#L14
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally nothing is writing in stone, we can change, remove, add to
>>>> this as
>>>>>>> we iterate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought I follow the our community practices as best I understood.
>>>>>>> Wrote a proposal, communicated in the mailing list, got feedback to
>>>> change
>>>>>>> the original proposal to not exclude platforms/plugins and other
>>>> changes.
>>>>>>> had pointers to PR, JIRA, proposal, discussion, waited for feedback
>> on
>>>> PR,
>>>>>>> gave a heads up on that there was no more feedback and everything
>> that
>>>> was
>>>>>>> discuss was implemented.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw Dmitry'ss comments just after we merge, but I try to give
>> enough
>>>>>>> heads up. And will like to understand better what are his concerns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:53 PM Simon MacDonald <
>>>> simon.macdonald@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are there docs checked in anywhere that describe how to use the
>>>>>>> --template
>>>>>>>> flag?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Simon Mac Donald
>>>>>>>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Raymond Camden <
>>>> raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looks like --template wasn't added to the CLI help. Will file a
>> bug.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Steven Gill <
>> stevengill97@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The thread was proposed Nov 10th and PR was merged Dec 3rd. I
>> think
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> ample time to give feedback. If people don't give feedback, apache
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> consider it as lazy consensus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We do not vote on feature requests and I hope we never do as it
>> is a
>>>>>>>>>> terrible practice. Good luck trying to get anything done.
>>>>>>>>>> The `--template` flag currently there is the one that was added as
>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> discussion. I think in the future we should refrain from adding
>> code
>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>> a discussion completes, especially if there is contention. At the
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> least, we should probably hold a vote.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’m definitely not a fan of adding flags just for the purpose of
>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> specific convenience, but if I’m alone in that opinion then let’s
>> do
>>>>>>>>>> whatever the majority decides.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Mefire O. <om...@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We already have support for the --template flag in Cordova.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, it currently only supports NPM packages and GIT URLs, no
>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>>> folder.
>>>>>>>>>>> The local folder scenario is currently being handled by
>> --copy-from
>>>>>>>>> (only
>>>>>>>>>> www and config.xml are copied) and --link-to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We also have a way of specifying default templates: throught the
>>>>>>> json
>>>>>>>>>> file: cordova_project/.cordova/config.json.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should:
>>>>>>>>>>> - deprecate --copy-from
>>>>>>>>>>> - update the current --template logic to support local folders in
>>>>>>>>>> addition to NPM and GIT URLs
>>>>>>>>>>> - fallback to using the 'cordova-hello-world' template when a
>>>>>>>>> critical
>>>>>>>>>> option/file/folder isn’t present in the supplied template (e.g:
>> user
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>> not specify app_id, app_name or supplied template has no www
>> folder)
>>>>>>>>>>> - document .cordova/config.json (how it can be used to set
>> default
>>>>>>>>>> templates)
>>>>>>>>>>> - copy platforms/plugins folders when creating from a template
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Omar Mefire
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:48 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dmitry
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. It was discuss in the mailing list, that use case #1 was not
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>> and to be replace by --template, user don't have to have
>> config.xml
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> other cordova specific files they will be created. So the reason
>> to
>>>>>>>>>> deprecate --copy-from 2. yes it's similar to a cp or git clone,
>> but
>>>>>>>>> also a
>>>>>>>>>> download of npm, it will replace app name and id if they are
>> passed
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> create command if template contains config.xml they will get
>>>> replace,
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>> night mare not that many files to add if template purposely
>> missing
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> config.xml and empty folders for hooks, plugins, platform.
>> template
>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> have a www and any other files outside www they want in their
>>>>>>> template
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> res/resource/ (cordova uses res, ionic uses resources, etc..)
>>>>>>>>> .gitignore,
>>>>>>>>>> .editorconfig, pacakge.json, etc.. any other files they which
>> their
>>>>>>> app
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> have that template will get them started with.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:10 PM Dmitry Blotsky <
>>>>>>>> dblotsky@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the summary, Carlos! Sorry, I hadn’t read the whole
>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I sent my question. I read up after your email, and I have
>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> better grasp on it now. My new questions are below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. What is the `cordova create` command then doing if it’s
>> copying
>>>>>>>>>>>> (potentially) the whole app it’s trying to create? The
>>>>>>> `--copy-from`
>>>>>>>>>>>> flag creates fresh copies of Cordova-specific files and only
>>>> copies
>>>>>>>>>>>> the `www` folder, which is app-agnostic anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Isn’t the new flag basically the same as an invocation of
>> `cp`
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> `git clone`? And if we’re going into the realm of examining the
>>>>>>>>>>>> template and “filling in” potentially missing files, isn’t that
>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> logical nightmare since there are so many possible things that
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> missing in an app?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:00 AM, Carlos Santana <
>> csantana23@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The email thread has the details but in summary:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't handle npm and git as source It doesn't copy
>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By adding npm and git having the flag copy-from it's confusing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:04 PM Dmitry Blotsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <db...@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks. Sorry I'm late to the party, but why is
>> `--copy-from`
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sufficient?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:09 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael we will love to hear your feedback, and we can improve
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top of what's initially there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:04 PM Carlos Santana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Links to PRs where available for a while on the proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pull/339
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/pull/226
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:33 AM Michael Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to see a pull request rather than a straight up
>>>> merge,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the template discussion was more involved. Also, I'm
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to seeing your work on this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Carlos Santana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be working later today with James from my team on
>>>>>>> merging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial implementation of --template. it will update a few
>>>>>>> repos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cli, lib, doc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone oppose?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:50 PM Carlos Santana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alias, deprecate and later remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:49 PM Carlos Santana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree, --template is the new --copy-from :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:48 PM Shazron <
>> shazron@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, we could deprecate --copy-from, and alias
>> --template
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we shouldn't have both, it should just be one
>>>>>>> implementation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Carlos Santana <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In some way we we are enhancing --copy-from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm OK to the copy blindly even plugins and platforms,
>> I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid people creating templates when is not need it if
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms and plugins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I'm OK if we want to allow it, but I would not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't like the "--copy-from" name, I want to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "--template"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes path, giturl, and npm name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:41 PM Carlos Santana <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What dynamic nature you want ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think using yeoman is bad idea, we tried at work at
>> is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of foot print and number of dependencies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We then learned that just using the inquirer npm
>> package
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to create an interactive experience in the CLI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least the first implementation I want to keep it
>>>>>>> simple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brought a good point about dynamic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will update proposal, add that if user passed any of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arguments for create like app-id, app-name, or
>>>>>>> app-version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones in the template.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will double check with James to see if already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implemented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current PR, if not then will added.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It terms of dynamic I think after we get the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would like to enhance on top of it with allowing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts that can run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like before_create and after_create, then the template
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scripts object of the package.json and cordova cli
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template owner can run what ever they want even
>> inquirer
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to user for additional things to setup with the
>>>> template.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2f%2fwww.npmjs.com
>>>>>>>> %2fpackage%2finquirer&data=01%7c01%7cdblo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sky%40microsoft.com
>>>>>>>> %7c9fb3634d35ba45cd7a7508d2fcd60177%7c72
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=cGhgCrxXQToX3DsPn2O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCsTQtcWl11IjuPpgRdFlco%3d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:56 PM Parashuram N <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReactNative init does use yeoman - that is a good
>> idea
>>>>>>> !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mean that we need to depend on Yeoman also ?
>> Does
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply have a separate yeoman generator ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/15, 10:10 AM, "Gorkem Ercan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <go...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about adding support for some more dynamic
>>>>>>>> generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we add yeoman as an option something like
>> $cordova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myApp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --template=yo:m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to invoke the generator m ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gorkem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2015, at 19:52, Carlos Santana wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would say that if they have "platforms" and
>>>>>>> "plugins"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template, its consider a cordova project ready to
>> be
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as cp-from, it's doesn't copy much only www
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config.xml, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to change it's behavior for backwards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be good to mark it deprecated for a certain period
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for deprecating the copy-from.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:19 PM Parashuram N <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they would. However, there could be cases
>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have templates that have changes stuff in
>> platforms,
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins or hooks. I think that instead of adding
>>>>>>> extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these things, we keep things simple, and copy over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates can then decide what they want to do,
>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle plugins or platforms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:16 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the plugins and platforms are listed in
>>>>>>> config.xml,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get fetched on prepare?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Parashuram N
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it should copy platform and plugins
>>>> folders,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the template. I think the guidance should
>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates should not include a platform or a
>> plugin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do - for reasons like custom plugins, etc,
>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that happen. The only enhancement from
>> --copy-from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support npm and git URLs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:
>> csantana23@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:26 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Parashuram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The template doesn't any special structure, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> npm is already a template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will add comment in PR about having fixtures in
>>>>>>> tests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses cases with different type of templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The code copies everything except plugins and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directories,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe it needs some comments to make it more
>> clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should copy dot files like .gitignore,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .editorconfig,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bowerrc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important at least for me .gitignore, it helps
>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should ignore platforms and plugins from source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is always YES. If they are asking then it means
>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:27 PM Parashuram N
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 to the proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a structure of a sample template ?
>> Also,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy everything from npm or the gitURL, though
>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that dot file and hooks/platforms should not
>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we talk about that in the proposal too ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:
>>>>>>> raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, nothing to add here but +1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the only thing I'd add is that I wish there
>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *permanently* set a template. I hate the default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (sorry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) and would love to make the CLI always use my
>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> template.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ryan J. Salva
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rs...@microsoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rjs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager
>> Lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tools for Apache Cordova rsalva@microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:
>>>> csantana23@gmail.com
>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [DISCUSS] CLI Templates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the Face2Face meeting updating the cordova
>>>>>>> cli
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates sounded like a good feature to add to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally got around to this and created the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubee from our team to take a stab at
>>>>>>> implementation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLI-Template proposal [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss/blob/master/propos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> al
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s/C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -T
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uydWn7HfTJO8c7W0LTz98U%3d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Carlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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