Re: [OT] Seeing increase in smtp concurrency ?

[Justin Mason <jm...@jmason.org>]

Henrik Krohns writes:
> On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 02:20:21AM -0500, Jeff Chan wrote:
> > Quoting Henrik Krohns <he...@hege.li>:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 10:09:27AM +1200, Jason Haar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I knew things like this would eventually happen. Spammers basically have
> > > > infinite resources, they can deliver us a LOT of hurt when they wish to.
> > > > I can think of a lot worse things they could do - and probably will :-(
> > >
> > > You are mixing things up. Spammers want to send as much stuff as possible.
> > > Evil hackers/kiddies/whatever are the ones that want to shut you down.
> > 
> > Spam gangs, virus writers, phishers, bot herders, etc., tend to be many of the
> > same criminals.  The Storm malware can send spam, do ddos, infect other
> > machines, etc.  Some of the authors of spamware were found to also be authors
> > of viruses and malware.
> 
> Ok, they may be some of the same people, but when they are operating as
> "Spammers", I doubt they have delaying mail in mind.

They don't particularly care what happens to your MTA -- they just
want to push out as many messages as possible, to as many addresses
as possible.  If this overwhelms some smaller sites, c'est la vie,
I'd guess.

--j.

Re: [OT] Seeing increase in smtp concurrency ?

[Henrik Krohns <he...@hege.li>]

On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 10:19:49AM +0100, Justin Mason wrote:
> 
> Henrik Krohns writes:
> > On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 02:20:21AM -0500, Jeff Chan wrote:
> > > Quoting Henrik Krohns <he...@hege.li>:
> > > 
> > > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 10:09:27AM +1200, Jason Haar wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I knew things like this would eventually happen. Spammers basically have
> > > > > infinite resources, they can deliver us a LOT of hurt when they wish to.
> > > > > I can think of a lot worse things they could do - and probably will :-(
> > > >
> > > > You are mixing things up. Spammers want to send as much stuff as possible.
> > > > Evil hackers/kiddies/whatever are the ones that want to shut you down.
> > > 
> > > Spam gangs, virus writers, phishers, bot herders, etc., tend to be many of the
> > > same criminals.  The Storm malware can send spam, do ddos, infect other
> > > machines, etc.  Some of the authors of spamware were found to also be authors
> > > of viruses and malware.
> > 
> > Ok, they may be some of the same people, but when they are operating as
> > "Spammers", I doubt they have delaying mail in mind.
> 
> They don't particularly care what happens to your MTA -- they just
> want to push out as many messages as possible, to as many addresses
> as possible.  If this overwhelms some smaller sites, c'est la vie,
> I'd guess.

Yeah I was referring to the "bug" the leaves the connections hanging. I
don't see why it would be done knowingly.