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[OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application
Hi
Suppose i have to develop a new web application
what are the best and latest techonlogies you
recommend to use.
1 Framework : struts,struts+shale,jsf,tapestry
2 front end(jsp): AJAX with JSF tages or with JSTL
3 database connection: ibatis, hibernate, object
relation dataase mapping
4 business logic: EJB, spring or something else
Ashish
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Re: [OT] where does Java Studio from Sun fit in the picture
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org>.
On 11/10/05, Murray Collingwood <mu...@focus-computing.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I've just been through the demos below and the Java Studio looks a lot
> like NetBeans.
> I'm now assuming that this is just two products from the same cloth, Sun
> Java Studio
> Enterprise 8 == NetBeans 5, is this correct?
Enterprise 8 == NetBeans + a bunch of stuff (2-way UML modelling, profiling,
...)
The Studio Creator product looks neat but from the screen shots I could only
> see JSF
> related stuff. I'm assuming a lot but Craig's comment below would indicate
> the whole
> thing is Shale aware, is this assumption also correct?
Creator is physically based on NetBeans code, but adds modules that are very
much focused on JSF based development. Because Shale is also focused on JSF,
Creator and Shale can coexist (hasn't been tested much yet, will be more
later).
PS What's the difference between downloading NetBeans (been free for ages)
> and Sun
> Java Studio Enterprise (which has only just become free)? Can somebody
> enlighten
> me?
See above.
Cheers
> mc
Craig
On 10 Nov 2005 at 4:41, Craig McClanahan wrote:
>
> > On 11/10/05, Christian Bollmeyer <ja...@christianbollmeyer.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just to add that Sun is offering both Java Studio Enterprise 8
> > > and Java Studio Creator for free now,
> > >
> > > http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/free/
> >
> >
> > Yep ... the new policy was announced at JavaOne Tokyo (where I am right
> now,
> > having just presented on both Creator and Shale). It's not a one time
> promo,
> > or related to EA and beta releases only ... this is the future.
> >
> > -- Ch.
> >
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [OT] where does Java Studio from Sun fit in the picture
Posted by Murray Collingwood <mu...@focus-computing.com.au>.
Hi all
I've just been through the demos below and the Java Studio looks a lot like NetBeans.
I'm now assuming that this is just two products from the same cloth, Sun Java Studio
Enterprise 8 == NetBeans 5, is this correct?
The Studio Creator product looks neat but from the screen shots I could only see JSF
related stuff. I'm assuming a lot but Craig's comment below would indicate the whole
thing is Shale aware, is this assumption also correct?
PS What's the difference between downloading NetBeans (been free for ages) and Sun
Java Studio Enterprise (which has only just become free)? Can somebody enlighten
me?
Cheers
mc
On 10 Nov 2005 at 4:41, Craig McClanahan wrote:
> On 11/10/05, Christian Bollmeyer <ja...@christianbollmeyer.de> wrote:
> >
> > Just to add that Sun is offering both Java Studio Enterprise 8
> > and Java Studio Creator for free now,
> >
> > http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/free/
>
>
> Yep ... the new policy was announced at JavaOne Tokyo (where I am right now,
> having just presented on both Creator and Shale). It's not a one time promo,
> or related to EA and beta releases only ... this is the future.
>
> -- Ch.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application
Posted by Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com>.
On 11/11/05, Murray Collingwood <mu...@focus-computing.com.au> wrote:
> The I started looking for Tomcat, okay, so it's not included, there must
be a way to add
> it as a App Server....well, if there is I can't find it.
This hints that Tomcat support is coming soon, though I couldn't find
anything on Sun's site. Craig?
http://rollerweblogger.org/page/roller?entry=java_creator_for_open_source
And you can deploy the .war files it creates to Tomcat, if you follow the
instructions here:
http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/reference/tips/deploy_to_tomcat.html
--
Wendy
Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application
Posted by Murray Collingwood <mu...@focus-computing.com.au>.
I've now downloaded Studio Creator, installed and started it.
I managed to register my DataSource with MySQL (not listed by default).
I also managed to shutdown the Sun App Server which had automatically started.
I also managed to shutdown the pointbase database server, also started automatically
The I started looking for Tomcat, okay, so it's not included, there must be a way to add
it as a App Server....well, if there is I can't find it.
Looking around I then found the Studio Creator log file - I remember the issues I had
trying to configure NetBeans and Eclipse to work and the endless exceptions reported
just from starting the respective products...well Sun doesn't appear to have done any
better:
*********** Exception occurred ************ at Fri Nov 11 16:55:05 EST 2005
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 0 >= 0
at java.util.Vector.elementAt(Vector.java:431)
at
javax.swing.tree.DefaultMutableTreeNode.getChildAt(DefaultMutableTreeNode.java:23
0)
at
javax.swing.tree.VariableHeightLayoutCache$VisibleTreeStateNodeEnumeration.nextEl
ement(VariableHeightLayoutCache.java:1676)
at javax.swing.plaf.basic.BasicTreeUI.paint(BasicTreeUI.java:1121)
at javax.swing.plaf.ComponentUI.update(ComponentUI.java:142)
How come people ship this stuff and it's broken when you first try and run it.
Reminds me of that old joke, how do you sink an Australian battleship?
Put it in water. Coming from Australia I can tell jokes like this - no offence to other
Australians of course...
Well, I think I'll uninstall it and await NetBeans 5.
Cheers
mc
On 10 Nov 2005 at 4:41, Craig McClanahan wrote:
> On 11/10/05, Christian Bollmeyer <ja...@christianbollmeyer.de> wrote:
> >
> > Just to add that Sun is offering both Java Studio Enterprise 8
> > and Java Studio Creator for free now,
> >
> > http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/free/
>
>
> Yep ... the new policy was announced at JavaOne Tokyo (where I am right now,
> having just presented on both Creator and Shale). It's not a one time promo,
> or related to EA and beta releases only ... this is the future.
>
> -- Ch.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org>.
On 11/10/05, Christian Bollmeyer <ja...@christianbollmeyer.de> wrote:
>
> Just to add that Sun is offering both Java Studio Enterprise 8
> and Java Studio Creator for free now,
>
> http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/free/
Yep ... the new policy was announced at JavaOne Tokyo (where I am right now,
having just presented on both Creator and Shale). It's not a one time promo,
or related to EA and beta releases only ... this is the future.
-- Ch.
Craig
Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application
Posted by Christian Bollmeyer <ja...@christianbollmeyer.de>.
Just to add that Sun is offering both Java Studio Enterprise 8
and Java Studio Creator for free now,
http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/free/
-- Ch.
JDeveloper 10.1.3 EA (which is also free) has excellent
JSF support, too.
Ted Husted schrieb:
> On 11/9/05, Ashish Kulkarni <ku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>i have to develop a simple web application for CRUD
>
>
> Java Studio Creator is suppose to be nice for that sort of thing:
>
> * http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/ea/jsc2/index.html
>
> -Ted.
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Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
...and according to this, you can get it for free:
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=37496
Niall
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From: "Craig McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:28 PM
On 11/9/05, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/9/05, Ashish Kulkarni <ku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > i have to develop a simple web application for CRUD
>
> Java Studio Creator is suppose to be nice for that sort of thing:
>
> *
> http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/ea/jsc2/index.html
It is :-)
<Disclaimer>
I'm the product architect for Creator, so I'm a bit biased :-)
</Disclaimer>
-Ted.
Craig
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Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org>.
On 11/9/05, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/9/05, Ashish Kulkarni <ku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > i have to develop a simple web application for CRUD
>
> Java Studio Creator is suppose to be nice for that sort of thing:
>
> *
> http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/ea/jsc2/index.html
It is :-)
<Disclaimer>
I'm the product architect for Creator, so I'm a bit biased :-)
</Disclaimer>
-Ted.
Craig
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Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 11/9/05, Ashish Kulkarni <ku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i have to develop a simple web application for CRUD
Java Studio Creator is suppose to be nice for that sort of thing:
* http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/ea/jsc2/index.html
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Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web
application
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
How simple an app are you talking about? A handful of screens with very
basic displays and CRUD ops? Heck, you might want to just go model-1 and
be done with it. Or a very simple model-2 architecture (i.e., a single
servlet where all requests go to which either delegates to some class for
a given function or simply has all the functions' code in it). Depending
on how simple it really is, one of those might be quite appropriate.
Of course, if there's *any* chance at all that it might be expanded in the
future, those probably are not good answers.
--
Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
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On Wed, November 9, 2005 2:15 pm, Ashish Kulkarni said:
> Hi
> i have to develop a simple web application for CRUD
>
> Ashish
>
> --- Larry Meadors <lm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> That is like asking "If you were going to build a
>> house, where would
>> you build it?"
>>
>> Sooo many variables.
>>
>> I am currently working on an app that uses
>> Spring+Struts+Tiles+iBATIS+Tomcat.
>>
>> Provide some more details on what the app will do,
>> and you will get
>> more accurate answers.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/05, Ashish Kulkarni
>> <ku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Hi
>> > Suppose i have to develop a new web application
>> > what are the best and latest techonlogies you
>> > recommend to use.
>> >
>> > 1 Framework : struts,struts+shale,jsf,tapestry
>> > 2 front end(jsp): AJAX with JSF tages or with JSTL
>> > 3 database connection: ibatis, hibernate, object
>> > relation dataase mapping
>> > 4 business logic: EJB, spring or something else
>> >
>> >
>> > Ashish
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application
Posted by Ashish Kulkarni <ku...@yahoo.com>.
Hi
i have to develop a simple web application for CRUD
Ashish
--- Larry Meadors <lm...@apache.org> wrote:
> That is like asking "If you were going to build a
> house, where would
> you build it?"
>
> Sooo many variables.
>
> I am currently working on an app that uses
> Spring+Struts+Tiles+iBATIS+Tomcat.
>
> Provide some more details on what the app will do,
> and you will get
> more accurate answers.
>
> Larry
>
>
> On 11/9/05, Ashish Kulkarni
> <ku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi
> > Suppose i have to develop a new web application
> > what are the best and latest techonlogies you
> > recommend to use.
> >
> > 1 Framework : struts,struts+shale,jsf,tapestry
> > 2 front end(jsp): AJAX with JSF tages or with JSTL
> > 3 database connection: ibatis, hibernate, object
> > relation dataase mapping
> > 4 business logic: EJB, spring or something else
> >
> >
> > Ashish
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application
Posted by Larry Meadors <lm...@apache.org>.
That is like asking "If you were going to build a house, where would
you build it?"
Sooo many variables.
I am currently working on an app that uses Spring+Struts+Tiles+iBATIS+Tomcat.
Provide some more details on what the app will do, and you will get
more accurate answers.
Larry
On 11/9/05, Ashish Kulkarni <ku...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi
> Suppose i have to develop a new web application
> what are the best and latest techonlogies you
> recommend to use.
>
> 1 Framework : struts,struts+shale,jsf,tapestry
> 2 front end(jsp): AJAX with JSF tages or with JSTL
> 3 database connection: ibatis, hibernate, object
> relation dataase mapping
> 4 business logic: EJB, spring or something else
>
>
> Ashish
>
>
>
>
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