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Msys support? svn-win32-0.37.0
Been trying cvs and decide to check subversion too, Msys comes with cvs,
but no subversion so I downloaded svn-win32-0.37.0.zip, installed bins
and dlls in /msys/bin which is in the windows path and also msys's,
$ svn
Type 'svn help' for usage.
$ svn help
Type 'svn help' for usage.
and keeps at it
it doesn't matter if is svn help or ? or h
also
$ svnadmin help
Type 'svnadmin help' for usage.
funny thing seems works in normal dos window just fine, but I *need* it
in msys console.
I guess this counts as P1, since I can't do nothing. Help or a
workaround would be appreciated, I want to test subversion, but
aparently svn does run but it can't parse whatever command I give :-(
cheers
Adartse
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Re: Msys support? svn-win32-0.37.0
Posted by John Peacock <jp...@rowman.com>.
Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
> To be serious: -I don't understand what you mean. Do Cygwin not use the
> POSIX subsystem?
No, Cygwin provides a POSIX-compliant layer, plus the development tools required
to make use of it. MSYS provides a tool chain (gcc et al) to build native Win32
console apps within a bash clone.
Nothing that I am aware of uses the /full/ native NTFS POSIX subsystem, because
it is inherently evil:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;246026
Pay close attention to the "Resolution" for that particular error... :~o
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Re: Msys support? svn-win32-0.37.0
Posted by "Eric V. Smith" <er...@windsor.com>.
Jostein Chr. Andersen said:
> On Tuesday 17 February 2004 20.05, Eric V. Smith wrote:
>> Jostein Chr. Andersen said:
>> > On Tuesday 17 February 2004 19.41, Brian Mathis wrote:
>> >> Sounds an awful lot like cygwin (http://www.cygwin.com/), only
>> outdated :)
>> >
>> > It's a big diffrence: Cygwin is not native Windows.
>>
>> In what way? It doesn't use the POSIX subsystem, if that's what
>> you're implying.
>
> Are we angry today? ;-)
Not angry at all. Sorry if I sound that way. I was just trying to figure
out what you meant by "not native", and what that might imply about cygwin
vs. cmd.exe vs. msys.
My point is that cygwin's bash.exe is every bit the "native Windows"
application that cmd.exe is. They're both just console programs, linking
to a bunch of DLL's. Reading the link you sent, I assume msys is the same
thing, just another native Windows console application.
I read "native Windows" as "WIN32 subsystem", which is considered the
native Windows API, but it's just one of several. The POSIX subsystem is
another, but as another posted reported it's not considered a good thing.
I was trying to make sure that it's clear that cygwin is just a bunch of
native Windows console applications.
Anyway, we're way off topic now. Sorry for the diversion.
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Re: Msys support? svn-win32-0.37.0
Posted by "Jostein Chr. Andersen" <jo...@josander.net>.
On Tuesday 17 February 2004 20.05, Eric V. Smith wrote:
> Jostein Chr. Andersen said:
> > On Tuesday 17 February 2004 19.41, Brian Mathis wrote:
> >> Sounds an awful lot like cygwin (http://www.cygwin.com/), only
> >> outdated :)
> >
> > It's a big diffrence: Cygwin is not native Windows.
>
> In what way? It doesn't use the POSIX subsystem, if that's what
> you're implying.
Are we angry today? ;-)
To be serious: -I don't understand what you mean. Do Cygwin not use the
POSIX subsystem?
Where do the POSIX subsystem fit into what I wrote previously? I don't
know much about POSIX.
More info:
http://www.mingw.org/mingwfaq.shtml#faq-what
Jostein
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Re: Msys support? svn-win32-0.37.0
Posted by "Eric V. Smith" <er...@windsor.com>.
Jostein Chr. Andersen said:
> On Tuesday 17 February 2004 19.41, Brian Mathis wrote:
>> Sounds an awful lot like cygwin (http://www.cygwin.com/), only
>> outdated :)
>
> It's a big diffrence: Cygwin is not native Windows.
In what way? It doesn't use the POSIX subsystem, if that's what you're
implying.
(Does anything use the POSIX subsystem? I'm not sure it's even shipped in
XP, but I haven't looked.)
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Re: Msys support? svn-win32-0.37.0
Posted by "Jostein Chr. Andersen" <jo...@josander.net>.
On Tuesday 17 February 2004 19.41, Brian Mathis wrote:
> Sounds an awful lot like cygwin (http://www.cygwin.com/), only
> outdated :)
It's a big diffrence: Cygwin is not native Windows.
Jostein
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Re: Msys support? svn-win32-0.37.0
Posted by "Jostein Chr. Andersen" <jo...@josander.net>.
On Tuesday 17 February 2004 18.47, Chris Parker wrote:
> Doesn't sound like it's designed to be a full-on interactive
> shell. Google seems to indicate a few other things don't run under it
> either.
>
> Is msys really designed as an additional shell? or just a bootstrap
> environment for to be able to get builds going?
MSYS (the shell part of it) is basically a slightly outdated Bash ported
to Windows. It works perfect on my system (XP).
With MSYS, you copy and paste as you do with bash on *nix (mark text =
copy, middle mouse is paste and you enjoy _native_ compiled *nix
programs such as rm, copy and so on :-)
Here is some relevant output from the my MSYS Shell:
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jostein@XP /c/work/Subversion/wc
$ svn --version
svn, version 0.37.0 (r8509)
compiled Jan 25 2004, 22:51:07
Copyright (C) 2000-2004 CollabNet.
Subversion is open source software, see http://subversion.tigris.org/
The following repository access (RA) modules are available:
* ra_dav : Module for accessing a repository via WebDAV (DeltaV)
protocol.
- handles 'http' schema
- handles 'https' schema
* ra_local : Module for accessing a repository on local disk.
- handles 'file' schema
* ra_svn : Module for accessing a repository using the svn network
protocol.
- handles 'svn' schema
Jostein@XP /c/work/Subversion/wc
$ sh --version
GNU bash, version 2.04.0(1)-release (i686-pc-msys)
Copyright 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
Jostein@XP /c/work/Subversion/wc
$ svn up
At revision 8667.
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Re: Msys support? svn-win32-0.37.0
Posted by Chris Parker <su...@playswithfire.com>.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 11:15:00AM -0600, Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 00:42, Osuka Adartse wrote:
>
> > funny thing seems works in normal dos window just fine, but I *need* it
> > in msys console.
>
> Who says this is a subversion bug? svn.exe is a true win32 console
> program. I never heard of the 'msys' shell, but apparently it's not
> always able to run a straight win32 console app. Maybe you can track
> down the problem a little more.
I hadn't heard of it either 'til today. According to the MinGW site:
"MSYS: A Minimal SYStem to provide POSIX/Bourne configure scripts the
ability to execute and create a Makefile used by make."
Doesn't sound like it's designed to be a full-on interactive
shell. Google seems to indicate a few other things don't run under it
either.
Is msys really designed as an additional shell? or just a bootstrap
environment for to be able to get builds going?
.chris
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Re: Msys support? svn-win32-0.37.0
Posted by Osuka Adartse <ro...@prodigy.net.mx>.
Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 00:42, Osuka Adartse wrote:
>
>
>>funny thing seems works in normal dos window just fine, but I *need* it
>>in msys console.
>
>
> Who says this is a subversion bug? svn.exe is a true win32 console
> program. I never heard of the 'msys' shell, but apparently it's not
> always able to run a straight win32 console app. Maybe you can track
1st time ever, that doesn't properly runs an app
> down the problem a little more.
>
>
>
Well it runs fine on cmd.exe, but I use/preffer msys, AFAIK msys is a
shell, a full one, bash + rxvt on top of cmd.exe so it should work...
bug or no bug, I just know that it doesn't works.
The dl'ed executable *runs* but it nevers sees the command, whichever
svn*.exe|svn $command I use gives me the same "Type 'svn* help' for
usage.", so as I stated before the problem lies(IMIO) on the parsing of
the input(if it actually receives *any* then msys error not subversion).
so yes it could be msys but then I wonder why svn* is the only app that
hasn't run, I've used msys/mingw for 1.5 years it has run fine
everything that runs on windows.
Thanks anyway.
Adartse
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Re: Msys support? svn-win32-0.37.0
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>.
On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 00:42, Osuka Adartse wrote:
> funny thing seems works in normal dos window just fine, but I *need* it
> in msys console.
Who says this is a subversion bug? svn.exe is a true win32 console
program. I never heard of the 'msys' shell, but apparently it's not
always able to run a straight win32 console app. Maybe you can track
down the problem a little more.
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