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Posted to users@cocoon.apache.org by Sy...@swisscom.com on 2004/06/25 11:06:28 UTC
Use Cocoon as a rapid development tool??
Hi all,
I stopped to work with Cocoon 6 months ago when I was involved in a project using EJB and Websphere.
But today I have the opportunity to recommend using Cocoon for a new development in my company.
The goal of this small (but important) project is to create a small web application using a database and a few web pages to search for the data in the database, visualize them and update them.
This project is rather simple but the important point for my boss is the COST. The project should cost a little and it means that it shouldn't take lots of weeks to develop it.
I think that the fastest way could be a RAD tool like ASP.NET or something like that.
But personally I would prefer doing the job with Cocoon.
So my question is:
Is it possible to create a simple web application as described above with Cocoon in a short time?
And if yes, which way is the best?
I thought to use the new CocoonForm. Is it realistic to solve my problem with this tool? Is it stable today?
Thanks
Regards
Sylvain
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Re: Use Cocoon as a rapid development tool??
Posted by Ivo Limmen <iv...@virgil.nl>.
Sylvain.Thevoz@swisscom.com wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I stopped to work with Cocoon 6 months ago when I was involved in a project using EJB and Websphere.
>
>But today I have the opportunity to recommend using Cocoon for a new development in my company.
>The goal of this small (but important) project is to create a small web application using a database and a few web pages to search for the data in the database, visualize them and update them.
>This project is rather simple but the important point for my boss is the COST. The project should cost a little and it means that it shouldn't take lots of weeks to develop it.
>
>I think that the fastest way could be a RAD tool like ASP.NET or something like that.
>But personally I would prefer doing the job with Cocoon.
>
>So my question is:
>Is it possible to create a simple web application as described above with Cocoon in a short time?
>And if yes, which way is the best?
>
>I thought to use the new CocoonForm. Is it realistic to solve my problem with this tool? Is it stable today?
>
>
>
Yes it is realistic and Cocoon is very stable.
Problem is: when comparing ASP.NET with Cocoon in development, I am
afraid ASP.NET will win. There is no specific IDE for Cocoon. It takes a
lot of time for a developer to understand everything of Cocoon. I have
been developing in Cocoon for little over 6 months and my guess is that
I know 30% of Cocoon (also because I am only interested in certain parts
not all...).
APS.NET is easy for developers. It's visual basic with a different file
extension. ASP.NET is great don't get me wrong.
The level of abstraction between data and output can not be reached with
ASP.NET in comparison to Cocoon.
The real question is: do you want to invest your money (time, books &
knowledge) in Cocoon to create websites to achieve that data <-> output
abstraction?
Just my point-of-view...
>Thanks
>Regards
>Sylvain
>
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Re: Use Cocoon as a rapid development tool??
Posted by Peter Velychko <v_...@ukr.net>.
Hello Sylvain,
Friday, June 25, 2004, 12:06:28 PM, you wrote:
> Hi all,
> I stopped to work with Cocoon 6 months ago when I was involved in
> a project using EJB and Websphere.
> But today I have the opportunity to recommend using Cocoon for a new
> development in my company.
> The goal of this small (but important) project is to create a small
> web application using a database and a few web pages to search for
> the data in the database, visualize them and update them.
> This project is rather simple but the important point for my boss is
> the COST. The project should cost a little and it means that it
> shouldn't take lots of weeks to develop it.
> I think that the fastest way could be a RAD tool like ASP.NET or
> something like that.
> But personally I would prefer doing the job with Cocoon.
> So my question is:
> Is it possible to create a simple web application as described above
> with Cocoon in a short time?
Definitely yes. From Cocoon website "Apache Cocoon is a web
development framework" and its mission is to solve tasks similar yours
(and more powerful). Cocoon has a lot of instruments that help
developing with Cocoon (CocoonFlow, CocoonForms, pipelines etc) by
deviding full task at some layers and implementing these layers
separately.
> And if yes, which way is the best?
Cocoon contains a lot of capabilities but I take a risk to recommend
to use the following:
- CocoonFlow for organizing page flow of separate parts of
functionality
- CForms for form processing
- JavaBeans for organizing business layer
- some ORM tool for organizing persistence layer (eg I use Hibernate)
> I thought to use the new CocoonForm. Is it realistic to solve my
> problem with this tool? Is it stable today?
CForms is stable and powerfull.
> Thanks
> Regards
> Sylvain
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Peter Velychko
v_peter@ukr.net
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