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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com> on 2012/05/28 21:04:57 UTC

Debian repository for AOO

Hi

As I said some time ago, we have focus in give support of AOO in
Debian, so a friend, Marcelo Santana, from Debian Brasil, is working
in a Debian repository, beyound the "debianization" of AOO, at
SourceForge[1]. Unhappyly, he was blocked because the excessive direct
access in project space, so we need a space to share this repository.
I think that can use my userspace @apache.org.
Is acceptable to do this? Can I share this repo in people.apache.org?
[1]http://apacheoo-deb.sourceforge.net/

Best,
Claudio

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Nelson Marques <nm...@gmail.com>.
I dont mind tagging along for Fedora/OpenSUSE builds using OBS, I
already have a few repos I manage which build cross-distribution. My
only big issue currently is dmake behavior. Having the sources to
build from autotools, cmake, scons or anything more popular would most
likely provide better grounds for massification.

NM

2012/5/29 RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>:
> 2012/5/29 Nelson Marques <nm...@gmail.com>:
>> Why not using launchpad or openSUSE build service to build and
>> distribute? I'm not sure about launchpad status, but there seem to be
>> very nice mirrors worldwide of OBS.
>>
>> I never did Debian builds, but there's a lot of people building for
>> Debian and Ubuntu.
>>
>> NM
>>
>
> +1 the open build service can build package for several distros,
> including fedora and ubuntu.
>
> Ricardo



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bread in the middle...

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2012/5/29 Nelson Marques <nm...@gmail.com>:
> Why not using launchpad or openSUSE build service to build and
> distribute? I'm not sure about launchpad status, but there seem to be
> very nice mirrors worldwide of OBS.
>
> I never did Debian builds, but there's a lot of people building for
> Debian and Ubuntu.
>
> NM
>

+1 the open build service can build package for several distros,
including fedora and ubuntu.

Ricardo

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Nelson Marques <nm...@gmail.com>.
Why not using launchpad or openSUSE build service to build and
distribute? I'm not sure about launchpad status, but there seem to be
very nice mirrors worldwide of OBS.

I never did Debian builds, but there's a lot of people building for
Debian and Ubuntu.

NM


2012/5/29 Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>:
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Nelson Marques <nm...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Is it ok to offer a suggestion ?
>
>
> Please, Nelson, of course it is ok, no need to ask :) just send it to the
> list.
>
> FC



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bread in the middle...

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Nelson Marques <nm...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Is it ok to offer a suggestion ?


Please, Nelson, of course it is ok, no need to ask :) just send it to the
list.

FC

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Nelson Marques <nm...@gmail.com>.
Is it ok to offer a suggestion ?

2012/5/28 Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com>:
> Hi
>
> As I said some time ago, we have focus in give support of AOO in
> Debian, so a friend, Marcelo Santana, from Debian Brasil, is working
> in a Debian repository, beyound the "debianization" of AOO, at
> SourceForge[1]. Unhappyly, he was blocked because the excessive direct
> access in project space, so we need a space to share this repository.
> I think that can use my userspace @apache.org.
> Is acceptable to do this? Can I share this repo in people.apache.org?
> [1]http://apacheoo-deb.sourceforge.net/
>
> Best,
> Claudio



-- 
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// I've stopped trying to understand sandwiches with a third piece of
bread in the middle...

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net>.
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> As I said some time ago, we have focus in give support of AOO in
> Debian, so a friend, Marcelo Santana, from Debian Brasil, is working
> in a Debian repository, beyound the "debianization" of AOO, at
> SourceForge[1]. Unhappyly, he was blocked because the excessive direct
> access in project space, so we need a space to share this repository.

May I know more about what the problem is? Maybe I can help with that.

Roberto

> I think that can use my userspace @apache.org.
> Is acceptable to do this? Can I share this repo in people.apache.org?
> [1]http://apacheoo-deb.sourceforge.net/
>
> Best,
> Claudio

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Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unhappyly, he was blocked because the excessive direct
> access in project space, so we need a space to share this repository.
>

Isn't there a way to upload files to code.google.com? (I don't know, just
thinking aloud, perhaps it's worth exploring).

I guess that, not matter how big the bandwidth used by Debian users, it
would be a minor percentage of the total google code bandwidth...

FC

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com>.
Hi

2012/5/28 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
> I think Infra@ would have concerns about putting anything "excessive"
> on people.apache.org.   I would guess that bandwidth more an issue
> than storage here.

Exact, Rob. My doubt is "to eat" bandwidth and, as a good practice, i
asked before to preserve our infra after.

But maybe the request for bandwidth to provide debian packages is
minor that we think.

Claudio

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Damjan Jovanovic <da...@gmail.com>wrote:

> If people.apache.org isn't an option, what about using Apache Labs?
> http://labs.apache.org/
>

Is Google Code no good?.

If it's free, and AOO doesn't violate the TOS, why not use it?. That is,
assuming large binaries can be uploaded. I don't know.

I suspect it does, after reading this:
http://code.google.com/p/ant-googlecode/

Althought I'm not 100% sure if there is a size limit or not.

FC

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Damjan Jovanovic <da...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:

> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > As I said some time ago, we have focus in give support of AOO in
> > Debian, so a friend, Marcelo Santana, from Debian Brasil, is working
> > in a Debian repository, beyound the "debianization" of AOO, at
> > SourceForge[1]. Unhappyly, he was blocked because the excessive direct
> > access in project space, so we need a space to share this repository.
> > I think that can use my userspace @apache.org.
> > Is acceptable to do this? Can I share this repo in people.apache.org?
> > [1]http://apacheoo-deb.sourceforge.net/
> >
>
> I think Infra@ would have concerns about putting anything "excessive"
> on people.apache.org.   I would guess that bandwidth more an issue
> than storage here.
>
> -Rob
>
> > Best,
> > Claudio
>

If people.apache.org isn't an option, what about using Apache Labs?
http://labs.apache.org/

Damjan

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> As I said some time ago, we have focus in give support of AOO in
> Debian, so a friend, Marcelo Santana, from Debian Brasil, is working
> in a Debian repository, beyound the "debianization" of AOO, at
> SourceForge[1]. Unhappyly, he was blocked because the excessive direct
> access in project space, so we need a space to share this repository.
> I think that can use my userspace @apache.org.
> Is acceptable to do this? Can I share this repo in people.apache.org?
> [1]http://apacheoo-deb.sourceforge.net/
>

I think Infra@ would have concerns about putting anything "excessive"
on people.apache.org.   I would guess that bandwidth more an issue
than storage here.

-Rob

> Best,
> Claudio

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Marcelo. :)

2012/5/29 Marcelo Santana <ma...@yahoo.com.br>:
> Now I understand how it works! \o/
>
> Thank you so much for your help on #sourceforge IRC channel.
>
> I'm configuring the repository, soon I'll publish how to use it. ;-)

Congratulation for the work, you and Claudio.

Albino

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.

2012/5/30 RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>:
> 2012/5/30 Marcelo Santana <ma...@yahoo.com.br>:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Now the repository is running[1], ready to provide a easier way to
>> install Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on a Debian desktop with all available
>> languages.
>>
>> [1]http://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/debian/
>>
>> For while we are providing only i386 and amd64 binaries but soon it
>> will be available also the source code (with deb-src entry for
>> sources.list file), according to the Debian policy and DFSG.
>>
>> Thank you Chris and Roberto for the Sourceforge support.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>
> Good! Repo promoted on EN, ES and IT forums ;)

+1

Social networking #AOOBr :)

Albino

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2012/5/30 Marcelo Santana <ma...@yahoo.com.br>:
> Hi folks,
>
> Now the repository is running[1], ready to provide a easier way to
> install Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on a Debian desktop with all available
> languages.
>
> [1]http://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/debian/
>
> For while we are providing only i386 and amd64 binaries but soon it
> will be available also the source code (with deb-src entry for
> sources.list file), according to the Debian policy and DFSG.
>
> Thank you Chris and Roberto for the Sourceforge support.
>
> Regards,
>

Good! Repo promoted on EN, ES and IT forums ;)

Regards
Ricardo

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Wolf Halton <wo...@gmail.com>.
Paolo,

Yes please. An english translation published on the en support forum would
ne great.

Wolf

http://evergreen-community-01.lyrasistechnology.org
http://sourcefreedom.com
Apache developer:
wolfhalton@apache.org

On May 31, 2012 8:51 AM, "Paulo de Souza Lima" <pa...@varekai.org>
wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >
> >
> I've made a tuto on how to use this repo in Debian/Ubuntu/Mint at
>
https://almalivre.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/apache-openoffice-instalacao-via-repositorio-nao-oficial-para-debianubuntumint/(in
> portuguese). Do yout hink it's usefull to translate it to English and
> make it available somewhere?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Paulo de Souza Lima
> http://almalivre.wordpress.com
> Curitiba - PR
> Linux User #432358
> Ubuntu User #28729

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Paulo de Souza Lima <pa...@varekai.org>.
2012/5/31 Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>

> On 5/30/12 9:56 PM, Marcelo Santana wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Now the repository is running[1], ready to provide a easier way to
> > install Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on a Debian desktop with all available
> > languages.
> >
> > [1]http://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/debian/
> >
> > For while we are providing only i386 and amd64 binaries but soon it
> > will be available also the source code (with deb-src entry for
> > sources.list file), according to the Debian policy and DFSG.
> >
> > Thank you Chris and Roberto for the Sourceforge support.
> >
>
> great news
>
> Juergen
>
>
I've made a tuto on how to use this repo in Debian/Ubuntu/Mint at
https://almalivre.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/apache-openoffice-instalacao-via-repositorio-nao-oficial-para-debianubuntumint/(in
portuguese). Do yout hink it's usefull to translate it to English and
make it available somewhere?

Thanks.

-- 
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http://almalivre.wordpress.com
Curitiba - PR
Linux User #432358
Ubuntu User #28729

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
On 5/30/12 9:56 PM, Marcelo Santana wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Now the repository is running[1], ready to provide a easier way to
> install Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on a Debian desktop with all available
> languages.
> 
> [1]http://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/debian/
> 
> For while we are providing only i386 and amd64 binaries but soon it
> will be available also the source code (with deb-src entry for
> sources.list file), according to the Debian policy and DFSG.
> 
> Thank you Chris and Roberto for the Sourceforge support.
> 

great news

Juergen

Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Marcelo Santana <ma...@yahoo.com.br>.
Hi folks,

Now the repository is running[1], ready to provide a easier way to
install Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on a Debian desktop with all available
languages.

[1]http://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/debian/

For while we are providing only i386 and amd64 binaries but soon it
will be available also the source code (with deb-src entry for
sources.list file), according to the Debian policy and DFSG.

Thank you Chris and Roberto for the Sourceforge support.

Regards,

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Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Marcelo Santana <ma...@yahoo.com.br>.
On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:25:43 -0400, Christopher Tsai <ct...@geek.net>
wrote:

Hello Chris!

> Could you clarify why using the mirror system isn't appropriate?
> Several users have told me that the mirror system works fine with the
> apt repositories they set up, and it seems to me that using the
> mirror system would provide better download availability and
> performance.
>
> That is, if you hard code to files directly, you'd need to designate a
> specific mirror (which we don't recommend), which would mean 1) some
> users may be forced to a mirror halfway across the globe, 2) you'll
> run into availability issues if the mirror goes down or needs to be
> taken offline for some reason, and 3) you miss out on download
> statistics (which only get logged if the downloads go through our
> mirror redirector).

No doubt.

Now I understand how it works! \o/

Thank you so much for your help on #sourceforge IRC channel.

I'm configuring the repository, soon I'll publish how to use it. ;-)

Regards,

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Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Christopher Tsai <ct...@geek.net>.
Could you clarify why using the mirror system isn't appropriate? Several
users have told me that the mirror system works fine with the apt
repositories they set up, and it seems to me that using the mirror system
would provide better download availability and performance.

That is, if you hard code to files directly, you'd need to designate a
specific mirror (which we don't recommend), which would mean 1) some users
may be forced to a mirror halfway across the globe, 2) you'll run into
availability issues if the mirror goes down or needs to be taken offline
for some reason, and 3) you miss out on download statistics (which only get
logged if the downloads go through our mirror redirector).

Best Regards,
Chris Tsai
SourceForge Support
sfnet_ops@geek.net

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Marcelo Santana <marcgsantana@yahoo.com.br
> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 May 2012 09:26:53 -0400, Christopher Tsai <ct...@geek.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> Hello Chistopher,
>
> > I run support for SourceForge, and one of my colleagues (Roberto)
> > passed on this message to me. Perhaps I can shed some light on this.
> >
> > It looks like the previous attempt to host a Debian repo on our
> > site[1] was using the "Project Web" hosting space on our site,
> > however, that space is designed to be used only for web site content,
> > not downloads. That rationale, coupled with past abuse on that space
> > led to us implementing the bandwidth limits.
> > [1]http://apacheoo-deb.sourceforge.net/
>
> Yes, I had configured the web space as a Debian repository. When I
> saw the warning about temporary lock because of bandwidth limitation I
> stopped my tests and deleted all the files. My sincere apologies for
> the inconvenience.
>
> > The File Release System[2] on the other hand, does not have said
> > bandwidth limits, and while I haven't done this myself, I've heard
> > from several users that they've had no problems setting up a Debian
> > repos in this space. They said that all they did was set up the repo
> > locally, then used rsync[3] to upload it to the File Release System.
> > Doing it this way also gives the added benefit of utilizing both our
> > worldwide mirror system, as well as our file statistics systems.
> > [2]http://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/
> > [3]https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Rsync%20over%20SSH
> >
> > Let me know if this helps!
>
> I've tried to set up the repository by the File Release System today
> but it isn't good for use as a Debian repository, because doesn't permit
> direct downloads but just via mirrors system.
>
> Is there another alternative to do this on sourceforge.net?
>
> We need a hosting with good bandwidth that provide direct access to
> download of archives from repository. Thus we can just add a new entry
> in /etc/apt/sources.list and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get
> install openoffice.org3-writer..." on any i386 or amd64 Debian machine
> or derivative.
>
> I hope this help to understand our needs.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
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Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Marcelo Santana <ma...@yahoo.com.br>.
On Tue, 29 May 2012 09:26:53 -0400, Christopher Tsai <ct...@geek.net>
wrote:

> Hello,

Hello Chistopher,

> I run support for SourceForge, and one of my colleagues (Roberto)
> passed on this message to me. Perhaps I can shed some light on this.
> 
> It looks like the previous attempt to host a Debian repo on our
> site[1] was using the "Project Web" hosting space on our site,
> however, that space is designed to be used only for web site content,
> not downloads. That rationale, coupled with past abuse on that space
> led to us implementing the bandwidth limits.
> [1]http://apacheoo-deb.sourceforge.net/

Yes, I had configured the web space as a Debian repository. When I
saw the warning about temporary lock because of bandwidth limitation I
stopped my tests and deleted all the files. My sincere apologies for
the inconvenience.
 
> The File Release System[2] on the other hand, does not have said
> bandwidth limits, and while I haven't done this myself, I've heard
> from several users that they've had no problems setting up a Debian
> repos in this space. They said that all they did was set up the repo
> locally, then used rsync[3] to upload it to the File Release System.
> Doing it this way also gives the added benefit of utilizing both our
> worldwide mirror system, as well as our file statistics systems.
> [2]http://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/
> [3]https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Rsync%20over%20SSH
> 
> Let me know if this helps!

I've tried to set up the repository by the File Release System today
but it isn't good for use as a Debian repository, because doesn't permit
direct downloads but just via mirrors system.

Is there another alternative to do this on sourceforge.net? 

We need a hosting with good bandwidth that provide direct access to
download of archives from repository. Thus we can just add a new entry
in /etc/apt/sources.list and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get
install openoffice.org3-writer..." on any i386 or amd64 Debian machine
or derivative.

I hope this help to understand our needs.

Regards,

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Re: Debian repository for AOO

Posted by Christopher Tsai <ct...@geek.net>.
Hello,

I run support for SourceForge, and one of my colleagues (Roberto) passed on
this message to me. Perhaps I can shed some light on this.

It looks like the previous attempt to host a Debian repo on our site[1] was
using the "Project Web" hosting space on our site, however, that space is
designed to be used only for web site content, not downloads. That
rationale, coupled with past abuse on that space led to us implementing the
bandwidth limits.
[1]http://apacheoo-deb.sourceforge.net/

The File Release System[2] on the other hand, does not have said bandwidth
limits, and while I haven't done this myself, I've heard from several users
that they've had no problems setting up a Debian repos in this space. They
said that all they did was set up the repo locally, then used rsync[3] to
upload it to the File Release System. Doing it this way also gives the
added benefit of utilizing both our worldwide mirror system, as well as our
file statistics systems.
[2]http://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/
[3]https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Rsync%20over%20SSH

Let me know if this helps!

Best Regards,
Chris Tsai
SourceForge Support
sfnet_ops@geek.net

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net>wrote:

>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:04 PM
> Subject: Debian repository for AOO
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: Marcelo Santana <ma...@yahoo.com.br>
>
>
> Hi
>
> As I said some time ago, we have focus in give support of AOO in
> Debian, so a friend, Marcelo Santana, from Debian Brasil, is working
> in a Debian repository, beyound the "debianization" of AOO, at
> SourceForge[1]. Unhappyly, he was blocked because the excessive direct
> access in project space, so we need a space to share this repository.
> I think that can use my userspace @apache.org.
> Is acceptable to do this? Can I share this repo in people.apache.org?
> [1]http://apacheoo-deb.sourceforge.net/
>
> Best,
> Claudio
>

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