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Posted to dev@hawq.apache.org by Jim Apple <jb...@apache.org> on 2018/07/06 02:45:41 UTC
Oushu and Trademark use
I don't think the following fit with Apache guideline about TM use: https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
http://www.oushu.io/
"Oushu database, the Apache HAWQ enterprise version, helps us building the most advanced data platform"
http://oushu.io/about-us.html
"'Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who created Apache HAWQ."
Re: Oushu and Trademark use
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
Ping! Mark, any guidance on this? Would be really great to have you
chime in before we start a graduation vote.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:57 AM, Lei Chang <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Jim, Thanks for pointing this out. +trademarks@ for help.
>
> If there is any misuse of the trademark, we will change it soon.
>
> Cheers
> Lei
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Jim Apple <jb...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> > That is an interesting question actually. This seems to be a customer
>> quote.
>> > Which means that even if the customer was confused its not like you can
>> > change it without doing a round-trip with said customer.
>>
>> I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure to what extent Apache rules about
>> trademarks reflect actual laws, but I think generally that there are some
>> prohibited advertising statements that companies cannot make by quoting a
>> customer who said that forbidden phrase.
>>
>> So, if I sell iceberg lettuce, which does not cure the common cold, I
>> don't think I can say that directly in my ads or quote someone who said
>> that in my ads.
>>
>> > What's the issue with this? I guess a more specific statement would be:
>> > "Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who
>> > founded Apache HAWQ."
>> > (sans annoying founded...founded). Is this the kind of clarification
>> you're
>> > looking for?
>>
>> I am subscribed to board@, but I can't access the archives. A similar
>> situation came up about a TLP and a company associated with it. If you were
>> subscribed, search you mail for the phrase "So perhaps it not just
>> marketing that need some education" on or around March 13, 2018.
>>
>> Maybe trademarks@ would better be able to say.
>>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Jim Apple <jb...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > I don't think the following fit with Apache guideline about TM use:
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>> >
>> > http://www.oushu.io/
>> >
>> > "Oushu database, the Apache HAWQ enterprise version, helps us building
>> the most advanced data platform"
>>
>> That is an interesting question actually. This seems to be a customer
>> quote.
>> Which means that even if the customer was confused its not like you can
>> change it without doing a round-trip with said customer.
>>
>> Something to definitely clarify, tho -- thanks for pointing it out!
>>
>> > http://oushu.io/about-us.html
>> >
>> > "'Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who created
>> Apache HAWQ."
>>
>> What's the issue with this? I guess a more specific statement would be:
>> "Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who
>> founded Apache HAWQ."
>> (sans annoying founded...founded). Is this the kind of clarification you're
>> looking for?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
Re: Oushu and Trademark use
Posted by Lei Chang <ch...@gmail.com>.
@Jim, Thanks for pointing this out. +trademarks@ for help.
If there is any misuse of the trademark, we will change it soon.
Cheers
Lei
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Jim Apple <jb...@apache.org> wrote:
> > That is an interesting question actually. This seems to be a customer
> quote.
> > Which means that even if the customer was confused its not like you can
> > change it without doing a round-trip with said customer.
>
> I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure to what extent Apache rules about
> trademarks reflect actual laws, but I think generally that there are some
> prohibited advertising statements that companies cannot make by quoting a
> customer who said that forbidden phrase.
>
> So, if I sell iceberg lettuce, which does not cure the common cold, I
> don't think I can say that directly in my ads or quote someone who said
> that in my ads.
>
> > What's the issue with this? I guess a more specific statement would be:
> > "Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who
> > founded Apache HAWQ."
> > (sans annoying founded...founded). Is this the kind of clarification
> you're
> > looking for?
>
> I am subscribed to board@, but I can't access the archives. A similar
> situation came up about a TLP and a company associated with it. If you were
> subscribed, search you mail for the phrase "So perhaps it not just
> marketing that need some education" on or around March 13, 2018.
>
> Maybe trademarks@ would better be able to say.
>
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Jim Apple <jb...@apache.org> wrote:
> > I don't think the following fit with Apache guideline about TM use:
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> >
> > http://www.oushu.io/
> >
> > "Oushu database, the Apache HAWQ enterprise version, helps us building
> the most advanced data platform"
>
> That is an interesting question actually. This seems to be a customer
> quote.
> Which means that even if the customer was confused its not like you can
> change it without doing a round-trip with said customer.
>
> Something to definitely clarify, tho -- thanks for pointing it out!
>
> > http://oushu.io/about-us.html
> >
> > "'Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who created
> Apache HAWQ."
>
> What's the issue with this? I guess a more specific statement would be:
> "Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who
> founded Apache HAWQ."
> (sans annoying founded...founded). Is this the kind of clarification you're
> looking for?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
Re: Oushu and Trademark use
Posted by Jim Apple <jb...@apache.org>.
> That is an interesting question actually. This seems to be a customer quote.
> Which means that even if the customer was confused its not like you can
> change it without doing a round-trip with said customer.
I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure to what extent Apache rules about trademarks reflect actual laws, but I think generally that there are some prohibited advertising statements that companies cannot make by quoting a customer who said that forbidden phrase.
So, if I sell iceberg lettuce, which does not cure the common cold, I don't think I can say that directly in my ads or quote someone who said that in my ads.
> What's the issue with this? I guess a more specific statement would be:
> "Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who
> founded Apache HAWQ."
> (sans annoying founded...founded). Is this the kind of clarification you're
> looking for?
I am subscribed to board@, but I can't access the archives. A similar situation came up about a TLP and a company associated with it. If you were subscribed, search you mail for the phrase "So perhaps it not just marketing that need some education" on or around March 13, 2018.
Maybe trademarks@ would better be able to say.
Re: Oushu and Trademark use
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Jim Apple <jb...@apache.org> wrote:
> I don't think the following fit with Apache guideline about TM use: https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>
> http://www.oushu.io/
>
> "Oushu database, the Apache HAWQ enterprise version, helps us building the most advanced data platform"
That is an interesting question actually. This seems to be a customer quote.
Which means that even if the customer was confused its not like you can
change it without doing a round-trip with said customer.
Something to definitely clarify, tho -- thanks for pointing it out!
> http://oushu.io/about-us.html
>
> "'Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who created Apache HAWQ."
What's the issue with this? I guess a more specific statement would be:
"Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who
founded Apache HAWQ."
(sans annoying founded...founded). Is this the kind of clarification you're
looking for?
Thanks,
Roman.