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Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by mbastreak <mb...@awofm.info> on 2004/08/24 03:47:05 UTC

[users@httpd] problem displaying website.

I have a problem, that I am sure I have seen posted to this list before but
I can't seem to find the answer and I sure don't know how to search for it
using google, as it is a complicated question to ask but requires a simple
answer. Anyway to get down to the details:

OS: windows 2000 Workstation
Apache:2.0.50
BUILD: Standard install from Apache website, installed as an .msi file and
no extra modules
CAYMAN Netopia 3564 Business Class DSL router and DSL running DHCP and NAT.
Firwall: a pinhole setup to allow TCP ports 80-85 to the internal webserver
on the internal port of 80.

Problem: The website works great to the outside world everyone can see it
and nothing is wrong, however when it comes to anyone on LAN, they can not
see it unless type in the IP address of the computer hosting the website. I
know I have seen an answer to this before so please can someone refresh my
memory.

Sincerely!

Patrick O'Neal


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RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Posted by Jeroen van Meeuwen <ka...@pczone-clan.nl>.

  _____  

From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv] 
Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 10:51
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Hiya

>From the outside world, your site has an IP. This is the IP of your ROUTER
and not the server itself, but your router passes the requests through to
your server, thus the server appears to work ok.

>From inside your network, DNS will give other machines the SAME IP and point
people to your router. Your router probably doesn't know what to do with the
requests and ignores them. From an internal network the IP of your server
will be different to the outside world.

Try setting up a HOSTS file on each machine on your network. You should find
details on how to do this in the documentation of the operating systems on
the other machines. e.g. on windows 98 you edit a file called HOSTS in the
windows directory, and put in an entry like the following:

123.123.123.123 www.mydomain.com
123.123.123.123 www.myotherdomain.co.uk

where 123.123 etc is the LOCAL IP of your server.

This will cause the machine in questions to bypass the DNS lookup for the
domain, and override it, sending the request to the IP you specify (i.e.
your local IP of your server)

I hope this helps

All the best

Zoe

http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered Community

----- Original Message ----- 
From: mbastreak <ma...@awofm.info>  
To: users@httpd.apache.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

I have a problem, that I am sure I have seen posted to this list before but
I can't seem to find the answer and I sure don't know how to search for it
using google, as it is a complicated question to ask but requires a simple
answer. Anyway to get down to the details:

OS: windows 2000 Workstation
Apache:2.0.50
BUILD: Standard install from Apache website, installed as an .msi file and
no extra modules
CAYMAN Netopia 3564 Business Class DSL router and DSL running DHCP and NAT.
Firwall: a pinhole setup to allow TCP ports 80-85 to the internal webserver
on the internal port of 80.

Problem: The website works great to the outside world everyone can see it
and nothing is wrong, however when it comes to anyone on LAN, they can not
see it unless type in the IP address of the computer hosting the website. I
know I have seen an answer to this before so please can someone refresh my
memory.

Sincerely!

Patrick O'Neal

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RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Posted by mbastreak <mb...@awofm.info>.

Sure, it is easy to set up something to synchronize files if you have a full
blown windows network setup, but I am dealing with w2k workstations. The
reason I have trying to fix this is becuase I have the same setup but I use
a different router. This router is actually a much better router than the
one I use in another setup. The router I am trying to get this work with is
a caymen Netopia 3465 I think.. I can't remember for sure (its at work).
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:04 PM
  To: users@httpd.apache.org
  Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


  Its not the routers configuration (probably) - its the routers capability.
Most cheaper routers cannot handle the equivalent of a hosts file
themselves. Only the top end routers (as far as I am aware) can do that kind
of thing. If the hosts file works, then your problem is exactly what I said.
If a router can route external port 80 to an internal port 80, most cannot
route an internal port 80 to another internal port. If your router cannot do
this and it is not practical for you to update the hosts files on each
machine, then I would suggest you look into getting a DNS proxy server that
you can set dns overrides to run inside your network. I know there is
software capable of what you require, but I have not used it myself so
cannot recommend one.

  If you are using windows on the other machines - isn't there a way to
synchronise files between machines so you only need to edit 1 and the other
follow suit? (actually - if someone knows how to do this please let me know
anyway =-) )

  Good luck

  Zoe


  http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered Community
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: mbastreak
    To: zoe@zoeballz.tv
    Cc: users@httpd.apache.org
    Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:51 AM
    Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


    Sure the hosts file works great, but there is still a problem with
having to update hosts files every time something changes. I have the same
setup at home, except for a different router and it works great. Which leads
me to believe that something in how the router's is configured that is
making it not allow the local computers to access the website like normal.

    See, I can do an nslookup on the domain name and get the correct Outside
IP address, but if I try to go to the website by the convetional way it
dies. Another thing is the router has a built in configuration website, that
resides on port 8100 on both the outside world, and the inside world and it
works fine by going to the ip address of the router and port 8100 so there
has to be something to do with the firewall and the router's configuration.


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:38 PM
      To: users@httpd.apache.org
      Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


      Have you tried the HOSTS file like I said before? What happened?
Please give exact examples of the addressed you are referring to. When you
say "resolve then name correctly" what exactly did it resolve to? If you
don't want to publicise the details on the forum, email me direct. This is a
network issue and probe not an Apache issue so sorry to those people who
think this is "off subject".

      Zoe

      http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered Community
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Patrick O'Neal
        To: users@httpd.apache.org
        Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 3:23 PM
        Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


        Well since the name is resolving correctly on all of the client
computers on the LAN, which they get all of there DNS info from the Router,
I would say that DNS is fine. I believe the real problem must be in how the
router's firewall is handling the traffic. I am just not sure why the LAN
computers get a timed out error when they try to go to the website by its
real name or its real outside IP address but when I put in the address of
the local server it works great. It really makes me believe that is a
firewall issue.
          -----Original Message-----
          From: Jeroen van Meeuwen [mailto:kanarip@pczone-clan.nl]
          Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:25 AM
          To: users@httpd.apache.org
          Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


          And how about the DNS relay server on your router?

          Kind regards,

          kanarip



--------------------------------------------------------------------
            From: mbastreak [mailto:mbastreak@awofm.info]
            Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 15:01
            To: users@httpd.apache.org
            Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


            No, there is no proxy server. The Router does everything. What
is interesting is that when I ping the website from any of the clients on
the LAN they resolve the name correctly and even if I type in the direct WAN
address of the router I still can't bring up the webpage, only when I type
in the direct address of the server can I bring up the website.


              -----Original Message-----
              From: Jeroen van Meeuwen [mailto:kanarip@pczone-clan.nl]
              Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:16 AM
              To: users@httpd.apache.org
              Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


              I'm sorry, first reply didn't make any sense...

              I'm presuming you have a proxy server (configured on all
clients on your LAN):

              Bypass local addresses

              Then, I'm presuming you have a router which forwards DNS
requests:

              Configure the router NOT to query outside-world DNS servers
when clients try and resolve your domain names.
              You're router has a priority in resolving DNS queries (weither
from clients or from itself), use this priority. Namely the hosts file on
your router could help you. Most routers though have a DNS relay server,
which could be configured to answer without relaying the client's requests

              Kind regards,

              kanarip

------------------------------------------------------------------

              From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv]
              Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 10:51
              To: users@httpd.apache.org
              Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


                Hiya

                From the outside world, your site has an IP. This is the IP
of your ROUTER and not the server itself, but your router passes the
requests through to your server, thus the server appears to work ok.

                From inside your network, DNS will give other machines the
SAME IP and point people to your router. Your router probably doesn't know
what to do with the requests and ignores them. From an internal network the
IP of your server will be different to the outside world.

                Try setting up a HOSTS file on each machine on your network.
You should find details on how to do this in the documentation of the
operating systems on the other machines. e.g. on windows 98 you edit a file
called HOSTS in the windows directory, and put in an entry like the
following:

                123.123.123.123 www.mydomain.com
                123.123.123.123 www.myotherdomain.co.uk

                where 123.123 etc is the LOCAL IP of your server.

                This will cause the machine in questions to bypass the DNS
lookup for the domain, and override it, sending the request to the IP you
specify (i.e. your local IP of your server)

                I hope this helps

                All the best

                Zoe


                http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered
Community
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: mbastreak
                  To: users@httpd.apache.org
                  Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:47 AM
                  Subject: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


                  I have a problem, that I am sure I have seen posted to
this list before but
                  I can't seem to find the answer and I sure don't know how
to search for it
                  using google, as it is a complicated question to ask but
requires a simple
                  answer. Anyway to get down to the details:

                  OS: windows 2000 Workstation
                  Apache:2.0.50
                  BUILD: Standard install from Apache website, installed as
an .msi file and
                  no extra modules
                  CAYMAN Netopia 3564 Business Class DSL router and DSL
running DHCP and NAT.
                  Firwall: a pinhole setup to allow TCP ports 80-85 to the
internal webserver
                  on the internal port of 80.

                  Problem: The website works great to the outside world
everyone can see it
                  and nothing is wrong, however when it comes to anyone on
LAN, they can not
                  see it unless type in the IP address of the computer
hosting the website. I
                  know I have seen an answer to this before so please can
someone refresh my
                  memory.

                  Sincerely!

                  Patrick O'Neal


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Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Posted by Zoe Ballz <zo...@zoeballz.tv>.

Its not the routers configuration (probably) - its the routers capability. Most cheaper routers cannot handle the equivalent of a hosts file themselves. Only the top end routers (as far as I am aware) can do that kind of thing. If the hosts file works, then your problem is exactly what I said. If a router can route external port 80 to an internal port 80, most cannot route an internal port 80 to another internal port. If your router cannot do this and it is not practical for you to update the hosts files on each machine, then I would suggest you look into getting a DNS proxy server that you can set dns overrides to run inside your network. I know there is software capable of what you require, but I have not used it myself so cannot recommend one.

If you are using windows on the other machines - isn't there a way to synchronise files between machines so you only need to edit 1 and the other follow suit? (actually - if someone knows how to do this please let me know anyway =-) )

Good luck

Zoe

http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered Community
----- Original Message -----
From: mbastreak
To: zoe@zoeballz.tv
Cc: users@httpd.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:51 AM
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Sure the hosts file works great, but there is still a problem with having to update hosts files every time something changes. I have the same setup at home, except for a different router and it works great. Which leads me to believe that something in how the router's is configured that is making it not allow the local computers to access the website like normal.

See, I can do an nslookup on the domain name and get the correct Outside IP address, but if I try to go to the website by the convetional way it dies. Another thing is the router has a built in configuration website, that resides on port 8100 on both the outside world, and the inside world and it works fine by going to the ip address of the router and port 8100 so there has to be something to do with the firewall and the router's configuration.

-----Original Message-----
From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv]
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:38 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Have you tried the HOSTS file like I said before? What happened? Please give exact examples of the addressed you are referring to. When you say "resolve then name correctly" what exactly did it resolve to? If you don't want to publicise the details on the forum, email me direct. This is a network issue and probe not an Apache issue so sorry to those people who think this is "off subject".

Zoe

http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered Community
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick O'Neal
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Well since the name is resolving correctly on all of the client computers on the LAN, which they get all of there DNS info from the Router, I would say that DNS is fine. I believe the real problem must be in how the router's firewall is handling the traffic. I am just not sure why the LAN computers get a timed out error when they try to go to the website by its real name or its real outside IP address but when I put in the address of the local server it works great. It really makes me believe that is a firewall issue.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeroen van Meeuwen [mailto:kanarip@pczone-clan.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:25 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

And how about the DNS relay server on your router?

Kind regards,

kanarip

----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mbastreak [mailto:mbastreak@awofm.info]
Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 15:01
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

No, there is no proxy server. The Router does everything. What is interesting is that when I ping the website from any of the clients on the LAN they resolve the name correctly and even if I type in the direct WAN address of the router I still can't bring up the webpage, only when I type in the direct address of the server can I bring up the website.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeroen van Meeuwen [mailto:kanarip@pczone-clan.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:16 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

I'm sorry, first reply didn't make any sense...

I'm presuming you have a proxy server (configured on all clients on your LAN):

Bypass local addresses

Then, I'm presuming you have a router which forwards DNS requests:

Configure the router NOT to query outside-world DNS servers when clients try and resolve your domain names.
You're router has a priority in resolving DNS queries (weither from clients or from itself), use this priority. Namely the hosts file on your router could help you. Most routers though have a DNS relay server, which could be configured to answer without relaying the client's requests

Kind regards,

kanarip

--------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv]
Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 10:51
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Hiya

From the outside world, your site has an IP. This is the IP of your ROUTER and not the server itself, but your router passes the requests through to your server, thus the server appears to work ok.

From inside your network, DNS will give other machines the SAME IP and point people to your router. Your router probably doesn't know what to do with the requests and ignores them. From an internal network the IP of your server will be different to the outside world.

Try setting up a HOSTS file on each machine on your network. You should find details on how to do this in the documentation of the operating systems on the other machines. e.g. on windows 98 you edit a file called HOSTS in the windows directory, and put in an entry like the following:

123.123.123.123 www.mydomain.com
123.123.123.123 www.myotherdomain.co.uk

where 123.123 etc is the LOCAL IP of your server.

This will cause the machine in questions to bypass the DNS lookup for the domain, and override it, sending the request to the IP you specify (i.e. your local IP of your server)

I hope this helps

All the best

Zoe

http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered Community
----- Original Message -----
From: mbastreak
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

I have a problem, that I am sure I have seen posted to this list before but
I can't seem to find the answer and I sure don't know how to search for it
using google, as it is a complicated question to ask but requires a simple
answer. Anyway to get down to the details:

OS: windows 2000 Workstation
Apache:2.0.50
BUILD: Standard install from Apache website, installed as an .msi file and
no extra modules
CAYMAN Netopia 3564 Business Class DSL router and DSL running DHCP and NAT.
Firwall: a pinhole setup to allow TCP ports 80-85 to the internal webserver
on the internal port of 80.

Problem: The website works great to the outside world everyone can see it
and nothing is wrong, however when it comes to anyone on LAN, they can not
see it unless type in the IP address of the computer hosting the website. I
know I have seen an answer to this before so please can someone refresh my
memory.

Sincerely!

Patrick O'Neal

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RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Posted by mbastreak <mb...@awofm.info>.

Sure the hosts file works great, but there is still a problem with having to
update hosts files every time something changes. I have the same setup at
home, except for a different router and it works great. Which leads me to
believe that something in how the router's is configured that is making it
not allow the local computers to access the website like normal.

See, I can do an nslookup on the domain name and get the correct Outside IP
address, but if I try to go to the website by the convetional way it dies.
Another thing is the router has a built in configuration website, that
resides on port 8100 on both the outside world, and the inside world and it
works fine by going to the ip address of the router and port 8100 so there
has to be something to do with the firewall and the router's configuration.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:38 PM
  To: users@httpd.apache.org
  Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


  Have you tried the HOSTS file like I said before? What happened? Please
give exact examples of the addressed you are referring to. When you say
"resolve then name correctly" what exactly did it resolve to? If you don't
want to publicise the details on the forum, email me direct. This is a
network issue and probe not an Apache issue so sorry to those people who
think this is "off subject".

  Zoe

  http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered Community
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Patrick O'Neal
    To: users@httpd.apache.org
    Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 3:23 PM
    Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


    Well since the name is resolving correctly on all of the client
computers on the LAN, which they get all of there DNS info from the Router,
I would say that DNS is fine. I believe the real problem must be in how the
router's firewall is handling the traffic. I am just not sure why the LAN
computers get a timed out error when they try to go to the website by its
real name or its real outside IP address but when I put in the address of
the local server it works great. It really makes me believe that is a
firewall issue.
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Jeroen van Meeuwen [mailto:kanarip@pczone-clan.nl]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:25 AM
      To: users@httpd.apache.org
      Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


      And how about the DNS relay server on your router?

      Kind regards,

      kanarip



------------------------------------------------------------------------
        From: mbastreak [mailto:mbastreak@awofm.info]
        Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 15:01
        To: users@httpd.apache.org
        Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


        No, there is no proxy server. The Router does everything. What is
interesting is that when I ping the website from any of the clients on the
LAN they resolve the name correctly and even if I type in the direct WAN
address of the router I still can't bring up the webpage, only when I type
in the direct address of the server can I bring up the website.


          -----Original Message-----
          From: Jeroen van Meeuwen [mailto:kanarip@pczone-clan.nl]
          Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:16 AM
          To: users@httpd.apache.org
          Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


          I'm sorry, first reply didn't make any sense...

          I'm presuming you have a proxy server (configured on all clients
on your LAN):

          Bypass local addresses

          Then, I'm presuming you have a router which forwards DNS requests:

          Configure the router NOT to query outside-world DNS servers when
clients try and resolve your domain names.
          You're router has a priority in resolving DNS queries (weither
from clients or from itself), use this priority. Namely the hosts file on
your router could help you. Most routers though have a DNS relay server,
which could be configured to answer without relaying the client's requests

          Kind regards,

          kanarip

----------------------------------------------------------------------

          From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv]
          Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 10:51
          To: users@httpd.apache.org
          Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


            Hiya

            From the outside world, your site has an IP. This is the IP of
your ROUTER and not the server itself, but your router passes the requests
through to your server, thus the server appears to work ok.

            From inside your network, DNS will give other machines the SAME
IP and point people to your router. Your router probably doesn't know what
to do with the requests and ignores them. From an internal network the IP of
your server will be different to the outside world.

            Try setting up a HOSTS file on each machine on your network. You
should find details on how to do this in the documentation of the operating
systems on the other machines. e.g. on windows 98 you edit a file called
HOSTS in the windows directory, and put in an entry like the following:

            123.123.123.123 www.mydomain.com
            123.123.123.123 www.myotherdomain.co.uk

            where 123.123 etc is the LOCAL IP of your server.

            This will cause the machine in questions to bypass the DNS
lookup for the domain, and override it, sending the request to the IP you
specify (i.e. your local IP of your server)

            I hope this helps

            All the best

            Zoe


            http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered
Community
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: mbastreak
              To: users@httpd.apache.org
              Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:47 AM
              Subject: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


              I have a problem, that I am sure I have seen posted to this
list before but
              I can't seem to find the answer and I sure don't know how to
search for it
              using google, as it is a complicated question to ask but
requires a simple
              answer. Anyway to get down to the details:

              OS: windows 2000 Workstation
              Apache:2.0.50
              BUILD: Standard install from Apache website, installed as an
.msi file and
              no extra modules
              CAYMAN Netopia 3564 Business Class DSL router and DSL running
DHCP and NAT.
              Firwall: a pinhole setup to allow TCP ports 80-85 to the
internal webserver
              on the internal port of 80.

              Problem: The website works great to the outside world everyone
can see it
              and nothing is wrong, however when it comes to anyone on LAN,
they can not
              see it unless type in the IP address of the computer hosting
the website. I
              know I have seen an answer to this before so please can
someone refresh my
              memory.

              Sincerely!

              Patrick O'Neal


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Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Posted by Zoe Ballz <zo...@zoeballz.tv>.

Zoe

And how about the DNS relay server on your router?

Kind regards,

kanarip

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mbastreak [mailto:mbastreak@awofm.info]
Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 15:01
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

I'm sorry, first reply didn't make any sense...

I'm presuming you have a proxy server (configured on all clients on your LAN):

Bypass local addresses

Then, I'm presuming you have a router which forwards DNS requests:

Kind regards,

kanarip

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From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv]
Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 10:51
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Hiya

From the outside world, your site has an IP. This is the IP of your ROUTER and not the server itself, but your router passes the requests through to your server, thus the server appears to work ok.

123.123.123.123 www.mydomain.com
123.123.123.123 www.myotherdomain.co.uk

where 123.123 etc is the LOCAL IP of your server.

This will cause the machine in questions to bypass the DNS lookup for the domain, and override it, sending the request to the IP you specify (i.e. your local IP of your server)

I hope this helps

All the best

Zoe

OS: windows 2000 Workstation
Apache:2.0.50
BUILD: Standard install from Apache website, installed as an ..msi file and
no extra modules
CAYMAN Netopia 3564 Business Class DSL router and DSL running DHCP and NAT.
Firwall: a pinhole setup to allow TCP ports 80-85 to the internal webserver
on the internal port of 80.

Sincerely!

Patrick O'Neal

RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Posted by Patrick O'Neal <mb...@awofm.info>.

Well since the name is resolving correctly on all of the client computers on
the LAN, which they get all of there DNS info from the Router, I would say
that DNS is fine. I believe the real problem must be in how the router's
firewall is handling the traffic. I am just not sure why the LAN computers
get a timed out error when they try to go to the website by its real name or
its real outside IP address but when I put in the address of the local
server it works great. It really makes me believe that is a firewall issue.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jeroen van Meeuwen [mailto:kanarip@pczone-clan.nl]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:25 AM
  To: users@httpd.apache.org
  Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


  And how about the DNS relay server on your router?

  Kind regards,

  kanarip



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    From: mbastreak [mailto:mbastreak@awofm.info]
    Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 15:01
    To: users@httpd.apache.org
    Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


    No, there is no proxy server. The Router does everything. What is
interesting is that when I ping the website from any of the clients on the
LAN they resolve the name correctly and even if I type in the direct WAN
address of the router I still can't bring up the webpage, only when I type
in the direct address of the server can I bring up the website.


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Jeroen van Meeuwen [mailto:kanarip@pczone-clan.nl]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:16 AM
      To: users@httpd.apache.org
      Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


      I'm sorry, first reply didn't make any sense...

      I'm presuming you have a proxy server (configured on all clients on
your LAN):

      Bypass local addresses

      Then, I'm presuming you have a router which forwards DNS requests:

      Configure the router NOT to query outside-world DNS servers when
clients try and resolve your domain names.
      You're router has a priority in resolving DNS queries (weither from
clients or from itself), use this priority. Namely the hosts file on your
router could help you. Most routers though have a DNS relay server, which
could be configured to answer without relaying the client's requests

      Kind regards,

      kanarip

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      From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv]
      Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 10:51
      To: users@httpd.apache.org
      Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


        Hiya

        From the outside world, your site has an IP. This is the IP of your
ROUTER and not the server itself, but your router passes the requests
through to your server, thus the server appears to work ok.

        From inside your network, DNS will give other machines the SAME IP
and point people to your router. Your router probably doesn't know what to
do with the requests and ignores them. From an internal network the IP of
your server will be different to the outside world.

        Try setting up a HOSTS file on each machine on your network. You
should find details on how to do this in the documentation of the operating
systems on the other machines. e.g. on windows 98 you edit a file called
HOSTS in the windows directory, and put in an entry like the following:

        123.123.123.123 www.mydomain.com
        123.123.123.123 www.myotherdomain.co.uk

        where 123.123 etc is the LOCAL IP of your server.

        This will cause the machine in questions to bypass the DNS lookup
for the domain, and override it, sending the request to the IP you specify
(i.e. your local IP of your server)

        I hope this helps

        All the best

        Zoe


        http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered
Community
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: mbastreak
          To: users@httpd.apache.org
          Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:47 AM
          Subject: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


          I have a problem, that I am sure I have seen posted to this list
before but
          I can't seem to find the answer and I sure don't know how to
search for it
          using google, as it is a complicated question to ask but requires
a simple
          answer. Anyway to get down to the details:

          OS: windows 2000 Workstation
          Apache:2.0.50
          BUILD: Standard install from Apache website, installed as an .msi
file and
          no extra modules
          CAYMAN Netopia 3564 Business Class DSL router and DSL running DHCP
and NAT.
          Firwall: a pinhole setup to allow TCP ports 80-85 to the internal
webserver
          on the internal port of 80.

          Problem: The website works great to the outside world everyone can
see it
          and nothing is wrong, however when it comes to anyone on LAN, they
can not
          see it unless type in the IP address of the computer hosting the
website. I
          know I have seen an answer to this before so please can someone
refresh my
          memory.

          Sincerely!

          Patrick O'Neal


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RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Posted by Jeroen van Meeuwen <ka...@pczone-clan.nl>.

And how about the DNS relay server on your router?
 
Kind regards,
 
kanarip


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From: mbastreak [mailto:mbastreak@awofm.info] 
Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 15:01
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


No, there is no proxy server. The Router does everything. What is
interesting is that when I ping the website from any of the clients on the
LAN they resolve the name correctly and even if I type in the direct WAN
address of the router I still can't bring up the webpage, only when I type
in the direct address of the server can I bring up the website.
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeroen van Meeuwen [mailto:kanarip@pczone-clan.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:16 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


I'm sorry, first reply didn't make any sense...
 
I'm presuming you have a proxy server (configured on all clients on your
LAN):
 
Bypass local addresses
 
Then, I'm presuming you have a router which forwards DNS requests:
 
Configure the router NOT to query outside-world DNS servers when clients try
and resolve your domain names.
You're router has a priority in resolving DNS queries (weither from clients
or from itself), use this priority. Namely the hosts file on your router
could help you. Most routers though have a DNS relay server, which could be
configured to answer without relaying the client's requests
 
Kind regards,
 
kanarip
  _____  

From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv] 
Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 10:51
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.



Hiya
 
>From the outside world, your site has an IP. This is the IP of your ROUTER
and not the server itself, but your router passes the requests through to
your server, thus the server appears to work ok.
 
>From inside your network, DNS will give other machines the SAME IP and point
people to your router. Your router probably doesn't know what to do with the
requests and ignores them. From an internal network the IP of your server
will be different to the outside world.
 
Try setting up a HOSTS file on each machine on your network. You should find
details on how to do this in the documentation of the operating systems on
the other machines. e.g. on windows 98 you edit a file called HOSTS in the
windows directory, and put in an entry like the following:
 
123.123.123.123 www.mydomain.com
123.123.123.123 www.myotherdomain.co.uk
 
where 123.123 etc is the LOCAL IP of your server.
 
This will cause the machine in questions to bypass the DNS lookup for the
domain, and override it, sending the request to the IP you specify (i.e.
your local IP of your server)
 
I hope this helps
 
All the best
 
Zoe
 
 
http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered Community

----- Original Message ----- 
From: mbastreak <ma...@awofm.info>  
To: users@httpd.apache.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

I have a problem, that I am sure I have seen posted to this list before but
I can't seem to find the answer and I sure don't know how to search for it
using google, as it is a complicated question to ask but requires a simple
answer. Anyway to get down to the details:

OS: windows 2000 Workstation
Apache:2.0.50
BUILD: Standard install from Apache website, installed as an .msi file and
no extra modules
CAYMAN Netopia 3564 Business Class DSL router and DSL running DHCP and NAT.
Firwall: a pinhole setup to allow TCP ports 80-85 to the internal webserver
on the internal port of 80.

Problem: The website works great to the outside world everyone can see it
and nothing is wrong, however when it comes to anyone on LAN, they can not
see it unless type in the IP address of the computer hosting the website. I
know I have seen an answer to this before so please can someone refresh my
memory.

Sincerely!

Patrick O'Neal


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RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Posted by mbastreak <mb...@awofm.info>.

No, there is no proxy server. The Router does everything. What is
interesting is that when I ping the website from any of the clients on the
LAN they resolve the name correctly and even if I type in the direct WAN
address of the router I still can't bring up the webpage, only when I type
in the direct address of the server can I bring up the website.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jeroen van Meeuwen [mailto:kanarip@pczone-clan.nl]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:16 AM
  To: users@httpd.apache.org
  Subject: RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


  I'm sorry, first reply didn't make any sense...

  I'm presuming you have a proxy server (configured on all clients on your
LAN):

  Bypass local addresses

  Then, I'm presuming you have a router which forwards DNS requests:

  Configure the router NOT to query outside-world DNS servers when clients
try and resolve your domain names.
  You're router has a priority in resolving DNS queries (weither from
clients or from itself), use this priority. Namely the hosts file on your
router could help you. Most routers though have a DNS relay server, which
could be configured to answer without relaying the client's requests

  Kind regards,

  kanarip

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv]
  Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 10:51
  To: users@httpd.apache.org
  Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


    Hiya

    From the outside world, your site has an IP. This is the IP of your
ROUTER and not the server itself, but your router passes the requests
through to your server, thus the server appears to work ok.

    From inside your network, DNS will give other machines the SAME IP and
point people to your router. Your router probably doesn't know what to do
with the requests and ignores them. From an internal network the IP of your
server will be different to the outside world.

    Try setting up a HOSTS file on each machine on your network. You should
find details on how to do this in the documentation of the operating systems
on the other machines. e.g. on windows 98 you edit a file called HOSTS in
the windows directory, and put in an entry like the following:

    123.123.123.123 www.mydomain.com
    123.123.123.123 www.myotherdomain.co.uk

    where 123.123 etc is the LOCAL IP of your server.

    This will cause the machine in questions to bypass the DNS lookup for
the domain, and override it, sending the request to the IP you specify (i.e.
your local IP of your server)

    I hope this helps

    All the best

    Zoe


    http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered Community
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: mbastreak
      To: users@httpd.apache.org
      Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:47 AM
      Subject: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.


      I have a problem, that I am sure I have seen posted to this list
before but
      I can't seem to find the answer and I sure don't know how to search
for it
      using google, as it is a complicated question to ask but requires a
simple
      answer. Anyway to get down to the details:

      OS: windows 2000 Workstation
      Apache:2.0.50
      BUILD: Standard install from Apache website, installed as an .msi file
and
      no extra modules
      CAYMAN Netopia 3564 Business Class DSL router and DSL running DHCP and
NAT.
      Firwall: a pinhole setup to allow TCP ports 80-85 to the internal
webserver
      on the internal port of 80.

      Problem: The website works great to the outside world everyone can see
it
      and nothing is wrong, however when it comes to anyone on LAN, they can
not
      see it unless type in the IP address of the computer hosting the
website. I
      know I have seen an answer to this before so please can someone
refresh my
      memory.

      Sincerely!

      Patrick O'Neal


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RE: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Posted by Jeroen van Meeuwen <ka...@pczone-clan.nl>.

I'm sorry, first reply didn't make any sense...
 
I'm presuming you have a proxy server (configured on all clients on your
LAN):
 
Bypass local addresses
 
Then, I'm presuming you have a router which forwards DNS requests:
 
Configure the router NOT to query outside-world DNS servers when clients try
and resolve your domain names.
You're router has a priority in resolving DNS queries (weither from clients
or from itself), use this priority. Namely the hosts file on your router
could help you. Most routers though have a DNS relay server, which could be
configured to answer without relaying the client's requests
 
Kind regards,
 
kanarip
  _____  

From: Zoe Ballz [mailto:zoe@zoeballz.tv] 
Sent: dinsdag 24 augustus 2004 10:51
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.



Hiya
 
>From the outside world, your site has an IP. This is the IP of your ROUTER
and not the server itself, but your router passes the requests through to
your server, thus the server appears to work ok.
 
>From inside your network, DNS will give other machines the SAME IP and point
people to your router. Your router probably doesn't know what to do with the
requests and ignores them. From an internal network the IP of your server
will be different to the outside world.
 
Try setting up a HOSTS file on each machine on your network. You should find
details on how to do this in the documentation of the operating systems on
the other machines. e.g. on windows 98 you edit a file called HOSTS in the
windows directory, and put in an entry like the following:
 
123.123.123.123 www.mydomain.com
123.123.123.123 www.myotherdomain.co.uk
 
where 123.123 etc is the LOCAL IP of your server.
 
This will cause the machine in questions to bypass the DNS lookup for the
domain, and override it, sending the request to the IP you specify (i.e.
your local IP of your server)
 
I hope this helps
 
All the best
 
Zoe
 
 
http://zoeballz.net - Website Hosting for the Transgendered Community

----- Original Message ----- 
From: mbastreak <ma...@awofm.info>  
To: users@httpd.apache.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

I have a problem, that I am sure I have seen posted to this list before but
I can't seem to find the answer and I sure don't know how to search for it
using google, as it is a complicated question to ask but requires a simple
answer. Anyway to get down to the details:

OS: windows 2000 Workstation
Apache:2.0.50
BUILD: Standard install from Apache website, installed as an .msi file and
no extra modules
CAYMAN Netopia 3564 Business Class DSL router and DSL running DHCP and NAT.
Firwall: a pinhole setup to allow TCP ports 80-85 to the internal webserver
on the internal port of 80.

Problem: The website works great to the outside world everyone can see it
and nothing is wrong, however when it comes to anyone on LAN, they can not
see it unless type in the IP address of the computer hosting the website. I
know I have seen an answer to this before so please can someone refresh my
memory.

Sincerely!

Patrick O'Neal


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Re: [users@httpd] problem displaying website.

Posted by Zoe Ballz <zo...@zoeballz.tv>.

Hiya

>From the outside world, your site has an IP. This is the IP of your ROUTER and not the server itself, but your router passes the requests through to your server, thus the server appears to work ok.

>From inside your network, DNS will give other machines the SAME IP and point people to your router. Your router probably doesn't know what to do with the requests and ignores them. From an internal network the IP of your server will be different to the outside world.

123.123.123.123 www.mydomain.com
123.123.123.123 www.myotherdomain.co.uk

where 123.123 etc is the LOCAL IP of your server.

This will cause the machine in questions to bypass the DNS lookup for the domain, and override it, sending the request to the IP you specify (i.e. your local IP of your server)

I hope this helps

All the best

Zoe

Sincerely!

Patrick O'Neal