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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Marcos Melo <ma...@cre.com.br> on 2016/09/29 11:28:42 UTC
Adobe Flex 4.5 > FlexJs
Hello gentlemen, my name is Marcos and I'm a Brazilian developer.
I have a doubt about your tool and would like to know if you could help me.
Nowadays I'm using, in our system, the following tools: Adobe Flex 4.5,
Java, Oracle 10G.
Some people here are suggesting me to change "the front end" to Java JSF or
even Java JSP, but I believe in the effectiveness of the Flex, specially in
the Flex JS.
I would like to know if someone could suggest me the best way to change from
my version of Flex to Flex JS.
Hopping you can help,
Marcos.
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RES: RES: Adobe Flex 4.5 > FlexJs
Posted by Marcos Melo <ma...@cre.com.br>.
Olaf, thanks for the explanation.
I agree that the flash player, will not end soon.
Unfortunately in Brazil, seems that the flex is not being mentioned as a
time a go.
Some well-known developers are going to change to JavaScript + HTML.
I appreciate the links, I'll study them calmly.
Thank you.
-----Mensagem original-----
De: OK [mailto:post@olafkrueger.net]
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 29 de setembro de 2016 11:33
Para: dev@flex.apache.org
Assunto: Re: RES: Adobe Flex 4.5 > FlexJs
Marcos Melo wrote
> The goal is really to set aside the flashplayer and bet on a new
> technology, I beting on FlexJs for this.
For me the question is 'why do you'd like to proscribe flashplayer or AIR'.
If it's only because of the 'You have to change to HTML5 these days'-feeling
I'd say: Update to 4.15.0 and stick with our most efficient Flex as long as
you can or it makes sense to you.
Maybe I'm naive but I still cannot recognise that flashplayer will disappear
soon and if so... there's still AIR.
(Of course that said makes only sense if you be able to make sure that your
users have installed flashplayer or AIR) Flashplayer will disappear one day
and you have to prepare yourself and your apps.
But this fact applies to all technologies.
I end up to stricktly separate the business logic from the UI and implement
the business logic by using pure AS3 without any dependencies on flash or
flex. Going this way I'm hopefull to have a fair chance to port my apps to
FlexJS or any other technology if it's needed.
But don't understand me wrong, of course it is crucial for us developers to
always keep an eye of upcomig technologies and get familar with it.
With FlexJS you get the chance to benefit from your Flex/AS3 skills and also
get in touch with JS/HTML5.
You could go the Flex way using the FlexJS framework or you could use AS3
with HTML which is described here [1].
>Communication with the backend is still done via BlazeDS?
AFAIK AMF is currently not supported by FlexJS but some guys will try to
implement it.
I prefer using REST with JSON.
>Our users are accustomed to Windows Mdi type container styles and for
>this
we use the FlexLib.
>The utilization of this library is accepted in FlexJs?
I think you have to port it to FlexJS which might be not trivial.
BTW: Do you know the Ardisia Flex component lib? [2] Take a look at the
'Compass Container', very awesome!
>the Use of ApacheFlex SDK with IntelliJ would be a good choice instead
>of
Eclipse?
I notice that a lot of developers have much fun with it, so give it a try!
For AS3 Josh Tynjala has developed a Visual Studio Code extension, might be
also interesting! [3]
>Some developers feel more comfortable and productive with designer
>preview
option (drag and drop >components)
>IDE type, any suggestions for this case?
Take a look at radiate [4]
Just my 2 cents,
Olaf
[1]
http://nextgenactionscript.com/tutorials/html-with-transpiled-actionscript/
[2] http://www.ardisialabs.com/demo/
[3] http://nextgenactionscript.com/vscode/
[4] https://www.radii8.com/
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Re: RES: Adobe Flex 4.5 > FlexJs
Posted by OK <po...@olafkrueger.net>.
Forgot:
Best way would be to just install FlexJS and make yourself your own picture
of it.
Keep in mind that everbody is invited to participate in moving Flex and
FlexJS forward ;-)
Thanks,
Olaf
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Re: RES: Adobe Flex 4.5 > FlexJs
Posted by OK <po...@olafkrueger.net>.
Marcos Melo wrote
> The goal is really to set aside the flashplayer and bet on a new
> technology, I beting on FlexJs for this.
For me the question is 'why do you'd like to proscribe flashplayer or AIR'.
If it's only because of the 'You have to change to HTML5 these days'-feeling
I'd say: Update to 4.15.0 and stick with our most efficient Flex as long as
you can or it makes sense to you.
Maybe I'm naive but I still cannot recognise that flashplayer will disappear
soon and if so... there's still AIR.
(Of course that said makes only sense if you be able to make sure that your
users have installed flashplayer or AIR)
Flashplayer will disappear one day and you have to prepare yourself and your
apps.
But this fact applies to all technologies.
I end up to stricktly separate the business logic from the UI and implement
the business logic by using pure AS3 without any dependencies on flash or
flex. Going this way I'm hopefull to have a fair chance to port my apps to
FlexJS or any other technology if it's needed.
But don't understand me wrong, of course it is crucial for us developers to
always keep an eye of upcomig technologies and get familar with it.
With FlexJS you get the chance to benefit from your Flex/AS3 skills and also
get in touch with JS/HTML5.
You could go the Flex way using the FlexJS framework or you could use AS3
with HTML which is described here [1].
>Communication with the backend is still done via BlazeDS?
AFAIK AMF is currently not supported by FlexJS but some guys will try to
implement it.
I prefer using REST with JSON.
>Our users are accustomed to Windows Mdi type container styles and for this
we use the FlexLib.
>The utilization of this library is accepted in FlexJs?
I think you have to port it to FlexJS which might be not trivial.
BTW: Do you know the Ardisia Flex component lib? [2]
Take a look at the 'Compass Container', very awesome!
>the Use of ApacheFlex SDK with IntelliJ would be a good choice instead of
Eclipse?
I notice that a lot of developers have much fun with it, so give it a try!
For AS3 Josh Tynjala has developed a Visual Studio Code extension, might be
also interesting! [3]
>Some developers feel more comfortable and productive with designer preview
option (drag and drop >components)
>IDE type, any suggestions for this case?
Take a look at radiate [4]
Just my 2 cents,
Olaf
[1]
http://nextgenactionscript.com/tutorials/html-with-transpiled-actionscript/
[2] http://www.ardisialabs.com/demo/
[3] http://nextgenactionscript.com/vscode/
[4] https://www.radii8.com/
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RES: Adobe Flex 4.5 > FlexJs
Posted by Marcos Melo <ma...@cre.com.br>.
Thanks for your response.
The goal is really to set aside the flashplayer and bet on a new technology, I beting on FlexJs for this.
Some additional questions:
Communication with the backend is still done via BlazeDS?
Our users are accustomed to Windows Mdi type container styles and for this we use the FlexLib.
The utilization of this library is accepted in FlexJs?
the Use of ApacheFlex SDK with IntelliJ would be a good choice instead of Eclipse?
Some developers feel more comfortable and productive with designer preview option (drag and drop components)
IDE type, any suggestions for this case?
thank you.
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com]
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 29 de setembro de 2016 09:50
Para: dev@flex.apache.org
Assunto: Re: Adobe Flex 4.5 > FlexJs
Hi,
> Nowadays I'm using, in our system, the following tools: Adobe Flex 4.5, Java, Oracle 10G.
Depends on your application and your users. Moving from 4.5 to a later version of Apache Flex is likely to give you significant performance improvements and far less bugs. Effort required is probably minimal.
> Some people here are suggesting me to change "the front end" to Java JSF or even Java JSP, but I believe in the effectiveness of the Flex, specially in the Flex JS.
Moving to FlexJS may take some effort but will mean your application can working natively in the browser without the Flash plugin. I’m sure either people on this list can expand on this.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: Adobe Flex 4.5 > FlexJs
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> Nowadays I'm using, in our system, the following tools: Adobe Flex 4.5, Java, Oracle 10G.
Depends on your application and your users. Moving from 4.5 to a later version of Apache Flex is likely to give you significant performance improvements and far less bugs. Effort required is probably minimal.
> Some people here are suggesting me to change "the front end" to Java JSF or even Java JSP, but I believe in the effectiveness of the Flex, specially in the Flex JS.
Moving to FlexJS may take some effort but will mean your application can working natively in the browser without the Flash plugin. I’m sure either people on this list can expand on this.
Thanks,
Justin