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Posted to users@subversion.apache.org by Kamal <ka...@gmail.com> on 2006/07/21 19:22:40 UTC
OT: email exposed to spammers
Hi everybody, I don' know who's the ML manager so I write to the list.
If it's not possible to "obfuscate" the email addresses on the
archives could it be possible to write somewhere (for example here:
""http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList") that
the emails are exposed to spammers? (Now I'm done, but for future
users...).
Thank you.
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Re: OT: email exposed to spammers
Posted by Erik Huelsmann <eh...@gmail.com>.
On 7/24/06, Kamal <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2006/7/24, Erik Huelsmann:
> > No, we just write Subversion. CollabNet provides the project
> > environment (tigris.org), which is managed by CollabNet Operations: we
> > can not change any parameters in the hosting environment... Sorry.
> > (And: No, CollabNet is not *the* entity developing Subversion,
> > although they have always been generous with donations!)
> >
> > bye,
> >
> > Erik.
>
> Thank you for the clarification, I will write the CollabNet people if
> they can do this.
> But I continue to think you can modify
> "http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList" and
> clarify this to the people subscribing.
Sorry, but only in the description texts (which do not accept line
feeds, because HTML ignores them and HTML markup is not allowed),
which would make it very hard to distinguish description from
additional comments.
The page itself is generated from templates outside our control...
bye,
Erik.
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Re: OT: email exposed to spammers
Posted by Kamal <ka...@gmail.com>.
2006/7/24, Erik Huelsmann:
> No, we just write Subversion. CollabNet provides the project
> environment (tigris.org), which is managed by CollabNet Operations: we
> can not change any parameters in the hosting environment... Sorry.
> (And: No, CollabNet is not *the* entity developing Subversion,
> although they have always been generous with donations!)
>
> bye,
>
> Erik.
Thank you for the clarification, I will write the CollabNet people if
they can do this.
But I continue to think you can modify
"http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList" and
clarify this to the people subscribing.
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Re: OT: email exposed to spammers
Posted by Erik Huelsmann <eh...@gmail.com>.
On 7/24/06, Kamal <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2006/7/24, Oliver Betz:
> > Kamal wrote:
> >
> > > If it's not possible to "obfuscate" the email addresses on the
> > > archives could it be possible to write somewhere (for example here:
> > > ""http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList") that
> > > the emails are exposed to spammers? (Now I'm done, but for future
> >
> > you always must consider this. Use a dedicated (discardable) mail
> > address for lists to make the "worst case" (e.g. if you get joe-
> > jobbed) manageable. You can even use an address where you can tell
> > the MX to accept only mails from the list servers, but you have to
> > explain to the reader somewhere in every mail how to reach you
> > directly.
>
> I always consider this in non-advanced-software-mailing-lists (). I
> expect people managing such a great software like Subversion can
> afford to configure a mailing list manager to obfuscate emails. And if
> you can't, just tell it somewhere if possible.
No, we just write Subversion. CollabNet provides the project
environment (tigris.org), which is managed by CollabNet Operations: we
can not change any parameters in the hosting environment... Sorry.
(And: No, CollabNet is not *the* entity developing Subversion,
although they have always been generous with donations!)
bye,
Erik.
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Re: OT: email exposed to spammers
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
On Jul 24, 2006, at 18:48, Oliver Betz wrote:
> Kamal wrote:
>
> [mail address shows up in public archives]
>
>> I always consider this in non-advanced-software-mailing-lists (). I
>
> Even if "the" list archives (not really the list itself) obuscate the
> adresses, there might be another archive, maybe an "inofficial"
> archive not doing so.
>
> AFAIK, there are at least two archives of this mailing list.
>
> So even if it seems that the addresses are obfuscated in "the"
> archive, don't rely that it doesn't show up somwhere else.
The unofficial list archives which everybody uses at svn.haxx.se do
obfuscate email addresses. For example, view the source of this page:
http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2006-07/0955.shtml
Unfortunately, the official list archives provided by tigris.org /
collabnet which nobody uses because they are so awful do not
obfuscate email addresses. See the source of this:
http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=52123
This is bug 3, reported in September 2003, which they refuse to fix,
on ludicrous and incorrect grounds:
http://www.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3
The grounds are ludicrous and incorrect because even the simplest
form of obfuscation (for example, changing the @ sign to " at ") has
been effective in preventing me from getting even a single spam email
on the other mailing lists I'm on where they do that.
I receive an average of one spam message a day to my Subversion
mailing list address thanks to this asininity, and have had to
generate a new email address every three months or so to try to keep
this from spiraling out of control. It incenses me that the list
admins place such little value on the time of their contributors. But
at the moment the only options appear to be to stay on the list and
accept the spam, or to leave the list. For the moment, I'm still
choosing the former.
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Re: OT: email exposed to spammers
Posted by Oliver Betz <li...@gmx.net>.
Kamal wrote:
[mail address shows up in public archives]
> I always consider this in non-advanced-software-mailing-lists (). I
Even if "the" list archives (not really the list itself) obuscate the
adresses, there might be another archive, maybe an "inofficial"
archive not doing so.
AFAIK, there are at least two archives of this mailing list.
So even if it seems that the addresses are obfuscated in "the"
archive, don't rely that it doesn't show up somwhere else.
Oliver
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Re: OT: email exposed to spammers
Posted by Kamal <ka...@gmail.com>.
2006/7/24, Oliver Betz:
> Kamal wrote:
>
> > If it's not possible to "obfuscate" the email addresses on the
> > archives could it be possible to write somewhere (for example here:
> > ""http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList") that
> > the emails are exposed to spammers? (Now I'm done, but for future
>
> you always must consider this. Use a dedicated (discardable) mail
> address for lists to make the "worst case" (e.g. if you get joe-
> jobbed) manageable. You can even use an address where you can tell
> the MX to accept only mails from the list servers, but you have to
> explain to the reader somewhere in every mail how to reach you
> directly.
I always consider this in non-advanced-software-mailing-lists (). I
expect people managing such a great software like Subversion can
afford to configure a mailing list manager to obfuscate emails. And if
you can't, just tell it somewhere if possible.
> BTW: I get only little spam to this address, although I use it since
> years in many lists. So I don't have the need to set restrictive
> filtering.
Maybe it was just a chance, but it seems to me to have received more
spam in these days (I subscribed some days ago)... but maybe it's too
soon to be related to this.
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Re: OT: email exposed to spammers
Posted by Oliver Betz <li...@gmx.net>.
Kamal wrote:
> If it's not possible to "obfuscate" the email addresses on the
> archives could it be possible to write somewhere (for example here:
> ""http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList") that
> the emails are exposed to spammers? (Now I'm done, but for future
you always must consider this. Use a dedicated (discardable) mail
address for lists to make the "worst case" (e.g. if you get joe-
jobbed) manageable. You can even use an address where you can tell
the MX to accept only mails from the list servers, but you have to
explain to the reader somewhere in every mail how to reach you
directly.
BTW: I get only little spam to this address, although I use it since
years in many lists. So I don't have the need to set restrictive
filtering.
Oliver
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