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Posted to user@flink.apache.org by Cliff Resnick <cr...@gmail.com> on 2016/12/02 22:34:34 UTC
Resource under-utilization when using RocksDb state backend
In tests comparing RocksDb to fs state backend we observe much lower
throughput, around 10x slower. While the lowered throughput is expected,
what's perplexing is that machine load is also very low with RocksDb,
typically falling to < 25% CPU and negligible IO wait (around 0.1%). Our
test instances are EC2 c3.xlarge which are 4 virtual CPUs and 7.5G RAM,
each running a single TaskManager in YARN, with 6.5G allocated memory per
TaskManager. The instances also have 2x40G attached SSDs which we have
mapped to `taskmanager.tmp.dir`.
With FS state and 4 slots per TM, we will easily max out with an average
load average around 5 or 6, so we actually need throttle down the slots to
3. With RocksDb using the Flink SSD configured options we see a load
average at around 1. Also, load (and actual) throughput remain more or less
constant no matter how many slots we use. The weak load is spread over all
CPUs.
Here is a sample top:
Cpu0 : 20.5%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 79.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
0.0%st
Cpu1 : 18.5%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
0.0%st
Cpu2 : 11.6%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 87.0%id, 0.7%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
0.0%st
Cpu3 : 12.5%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 86.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si,
0.0%st
Our pipeline uses tumbling windows, each with a ValueState keyed to a
3-tuple of one string and two ints.. Each ValueState comprises a small set
of tuples around 5-7 fields each. The WindowFunction simply diffs agains
the set and updates state if there is a diff.
Any ideas as to what the bottleneck is here? Any suggestions welcomed!
-Cliff
Re: Resource under-utilization when using RocksDb state backend
Posted by Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>.
Another Flink user using RocksDB with large state on SSDs recently posted
this video for oprimizing the performance of Rocks on SSDs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvUqbIeoPzM
That could be relevant for you.
For how long did you look at iotop. It could be that the IO access happens
in bursts, depending on how data is cached.
I'll also add Stefan Richter to the conversation, he has maybe some more
ideas what we can do here.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Cliff Resnick <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> We're following 1.2-SNAPSHOT, using event time. I have tried "iotop" and
> I see usually less than 1 % IO. The most I've seen was a quick flash here
> or there of something substantial (e.g. 19%, 52%) then back to nothing. I
> also assumed we were disk-bound, but to use your metaphor I'm having
> trouble finding any smoke. However, I'm not very experienced in sussing out
> IO issues so perhaps there is something else I'm missing.
>
> I'll keep investigating. If I continue to come up empty then I guess my
> next steps may be to stage some independent tests directly against RocksDb.
>
> -Cliff
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:52 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cliff,
>>
>> which Flink version are you using?
>> Are you using Eventtime or processing time windows?
>>
>> I suspect that your disks are "burning" (= your job is IO bound). Can you
>> check with a tool like "iotop" how much disk IO Flink is producing?
>> Then, I would set this number in relation with the theoretical maximum of
>> your SSD's (a good rough estimate is to use dd for that).
>>
>> If you find that your disk bandwidth is saturated by Flink, you could
>> look into tuning the RocksDB settings so that it uses more memory for
>> caching.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Cliff Resnick <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In tests comparing RocksDb to fs state backend we observe much lower
>>> throughput, around 10x slower. While the lowered throughput is expected,
>>> what's perplexing is that machine load is also very low with RocksDb,
>>> typically falling to < 25% CPU and negligible IO wait (around 0.1%). Our
>>> test instances are EC2 c3.xlarge which are 4 virtual CPUs and 7.5G RAM,
>>> each running a single TaskManager in YARN, with 6.5G allocated memory per
>>> TaskManager. The instances also have 2x40G attached SSDs which we have
>>> mapped to `taskmanager.tmp.dir`.
>>>
>>> With FS state and 4 slots per TM, we will easily max out with an average
>>> load average around 5 or 6, so we actually need throttle down the slots to
>>> 3. With RocksDb using the Flink SSD configured options we see a load
>>> average at around 1. Also, load (and actual) throughput remain more or less
>>> constant no matter how many slots we use. The weak load is spread over all
>>> CPUs.
>>>
>>> Here is a sample top:
>>>
>>> Cpu0 : 20.5%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 79.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
>>> 0.0%st
>>> Cpu1 : 18.5%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
>>> 0.0%st
>>> Cpu2 : 11.6%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 87.0%id, 0.7%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
>>> 0.0%st
>>> Cpu3 : 12.5%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 86.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si,
>>> 0.0%st
>>>
>>> Our pipeline uses tumbling windows, each with a ValueState keyed to a
>>> 3-tuple of one string and two ints.. Each ValueState comprises a small set
>>> of tuples around 5-7 fields each. The WindowFunction simply diffs agains
>>> the set and updates state if there is a diff.
>>>
>>> Any ideas as to what the bottleneck is here? Any suggestions welcomed!
>>>
>>> -Cliff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Resource under-utilization when using RocksDb state backend
Posted by Cliff Resnick <cr...@gmail.com>.
Hi Robert,
We're following 1.2-SNAPSHOT, using event time. I have tried "iotop" and I
see usually less than 1 % IO. The most I've seen was a quick flash here or
there of something substantial (e.g. 19%, 52%) then back to nothing. I also
assumed we were disk-bound, but to use your metaphor I'm having trouble
finding any smoke. However, I'm not very experienced in sussing out IO
issues so perhaps there is something else I'm missing.
I'll keep investigating. If I continue to come up empty then I guess my
next steps may be to stage some independent tests directly against RocksDb.
-Cliff
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:52 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Cliff,
>
> which Flink version are you using?
> Are you using Eventtime or processing time windows?
>
> I suspect that your disks are "burning" (= your job is IO bound). Can you
> check with a tool like "iotop" how much disk IO Flink is producing?
> Then, I would set this number in relation with the theoretical maximum of
> your SSD's (a good rough estimate is to use dd for that).
>
> If you find that your disk bandwidth is saturated by Flink, you could look
> into tuning the RocksDB settings so that it uses more memory for caching.
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Cliff Resnick <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In tests comparing RocksDb to fs state backend we observe much lower
>> throughput, around 10x slower. While the lowered throughput is expected,
>> what's perplexing is that machine load is also very low with RocksDb,
>> typically falling to < 25% CPU and negligible IO wait (around 0.1%). Our
>> test instances are EC2 c3.xlarge which are 4 virtual CPUs and 7.5G RAM,
>> each running a single TaskManager in YARN, with 6.5G allocated memory per
>> TaskManager. The instances also have 2x40G attached SSDs which we have
>> mapped to `taskmanager.tmp.dir`.
>>
>> With FS state and 4 slots per TM, we will easily max out with an average
>> load average around 5 or 6, so we actually need throttle down the slots to
>> 3. With RocksDb using the Flink SSD configured options we see a load
>> average at around 1. Also, load (and actual) throughput remain more or less
>> constant no matter how many slots we use. The weak load is spread over all
>> CPUs.
>>
>> Here is a sample top:
>>
>> Cpu0 : 20.5%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 79.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
>> 0.0%st
>> Cpu1 : 18.5%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
>> 0.0%st
>> Cpu2 : 11.6%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 87.0%id, 0.7%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
>> 0.0%st
>> Cpu3 : 12.5%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 86.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si,
>> 0.0%st
>>
>> Our pipeline uses tumbling windows, each with a ValueState keyed to a
>> 3-tuple of one string and two ints.. Each ValueState comprises a small set
>> of tuples around 5-7 fields each. The WindowFunction simply diffs agains
>> the set and updates state if there is a diff.
>>
>> Any ideas as to what the bottleneck is here? Any suggestions welcomed!
>>
>> -Cliff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Resource under-utilization when using RocksDb state backend
Posted by Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>.
Hi Cliff,
which Flink version are you using?
Are you using Eventtime or processing time windows?
I suspect that your disks are "burning" (= your job is IO bound). Can you
check with a tool like "iotop" how much disk IO Flink is producing?
Then, I would set this number in relation with the theoretical maximum of
your SSD's (a good rough estimate is to use dd for that).
If you find that your disk bandwidth is saturated by Flink, you could look
into tuning the RocksDB settings so that it uses more memory for caching.
Regards,
Robert
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Cliff Resnick <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In tests comparing RocksDb to fs state backend we observe much lower
> throughput, around 10x slower. While the lowered throughput is expected,
> what's perplexing is that machine load is also very low with RocksDb,
> typically falling to < 25% CPU and negligible IO wait (around 0.1%). Our
> test instances are EC2 c3.xlarge which are 4 virtual CPUs and 7.5G RAM,
> each running a single TaskManager in YARN, with 6.5G allocated memory per
> TaskManager. The instances also have 2x40G attached SSDs which we have
> mapped to `taskmanager.tmp.dir`.
>
> With FS state and 4 slots per TM, we will easily max out with an average
> load average around 5 or 6, so we actually need throttle down the slots to
> 3. With RocksDb using the Flink SSD configured options we see a load
> average at around 1. Also, load (and actual) throughput remain more or less
> constant no matter how many slots we use. The weak load is spread over all
> CPUs.
>
> Here is a sample top:
>
> Cpu0 : 20.5%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 79.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
> 0.0%st
> Cpu1 : 18.5%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
> 0.0%st
> Cpu2 : 11.6%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 87.0%id, 0.7%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si,
> 0.0%st
> Cpu3 : 12.5%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 86.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si,
> 0.0%st
>
> Our pipeline uses tumbling windows, each with a ValueState keyed to a
> 3-tuple of one string and two ints.. Each ValueState comprises a small set
> of tuples around 5-7 fields each. The WindowFunction simply diffs agains
> the set and updates state if there is a diff.
>
> Any ideas as to what the bottleneck is here? Any suggestions welcomed!
>
> -Cliff
>
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