[Collections] What's the Status of the Avalon move?

[Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>]

I know you guys where improving the bits we had there in Avalon land,
but I wanted to know how things were moving along.

I am leaving for vacation in a couple of days so I personally would
not be able to help.  I know one of the developers on the Avalon
group wants to use Commons collections to fix a problem (as your
collections package has more in it).

Since I really don't want to have two different Apache collections
packages for the Avalon software to use, I asked if he could help
with the migration efforts.  Since we have a relatively immediate
need, we might be able to address this in short order.

I am actually excited about the collaboration that is beginning to
emerge between our groups, and I only hope it continues to be fostered.
The maintainers of the Commons Collections package are very good
at what they do, and are used to that problem domain.  Most of the
Avalon developers, while also are very good, focus their attention
at higher abstraction levels.  The net result is that we both win.
You get some useful bits that were not part of commons before, and
we get better implementations of them.

As and FYI, the Avalon team is really looking to refocus our project
more squarely at our original charter.  That means that eventually
all the stuff that lives in Excalibur that is not an Avalon component
or container will be moved to commons.  Which means that commons
will have more code to build a diverse community around.  It also
means that there will be less overlap between our projects which
should ease any tensions or animosity that has been built up between
the communities.


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RE: [Collections] What's the Status of the Avalon move?

[Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>]

> From: Michael A. Smith [mailto:mas@apache.org] 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> > I know you guys where improving the bits we had there in 
> Avalon land, 
> > but I wanted to know how things were moving along.
> 
> I'm hoping to have time this evening and/or this weekend.  I've been 
> pretty busy lately. 

Which is why we have someone to help you if you need it.


> > I am leaving for vacation in a couple of days so I personally would 
> > not be able to help.  I know one of the developers on the 
> Avalon group 
> > wants to use Commons collections to fix a problem (as your 
> collections 
> > package has more in it).
> > 
> > Since I really don't want to have two different Apache collections 
> > packages for the Avalon software to use, I asked if he 
> could help with 
> > the migration efforts.  Since we have a relatively 
> immediate need, we 
> > might be able to address this in short order.
> 
> how immediate?  We would need to have a release of some kind before 
> Avalon should really depend on the stuff that we provide.  I'm just 
> curious what kind of time table you guys are looking for.  

I'm not sure.  Marcus Crafter is the one who is making the fix.  I know
how OSS works, so when it is done it is done.  He expressed willingness
to help, so he can be more authoritative on the answers:

Marcus Crafter [crafterm@fztig938.bank.dresdner.net]



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Re: [Collections] What's the Status of the Avalon move?

["Michael A. Smith" <ma...@apache.org>]

On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> I know you guys where improving the bits we had there in Avalon land,
> but I wanted to know how things were moving along.

I'm hoping to have time this evening and/or this weekend.  I've been 
pretty busy lately. 

> I am leaving for vacation in a couple of days so I personally would
> not be able to help.  I know one of the developers on the Avalon
> group wants to use Commons collections to fix a problem (as your
> collections package has more in it).
> 
> Since I really don't want to have two different Apache collections
> packages for the Avalon software to use, I asked if he could help
> with the migration efforts.  Since we have a relatively immediate
> need, we might be able to address this in short order.

how immediate?  We would need to have a release of some kind before 
Avalon should really depend on the stuff that we provide.  I'm just 
curious what kind of time table you guys are looking for.  

regards,
michael


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