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Posted to dev@ponymail.apache.org by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> on 2026/07/06 14:33:40 UTC
[DISCUSS][VOTE] Graduate Apache Pony Mail to a Top-Level Project
I think we need confirmation from the list of PPMC members before we VOTE. Several of them are no longer subscribed to the private list.
> On Jul 6, 2026, at 7:15 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Following the recent discussion on this list, I'd like to call a formal
> vote on graduating Apache Pony Mail from the Incubator to a Top-Level
> Project (TLP).
>
> Apache Pony Mail entered incubation in May 2016 — over ten years ago.
> The project provides a mail-archiving, archive viewing, and interaction
> service that is actively deployed at the ASF itself (lists.apache.org).
> The codebase is mature, the project is self-governing, and we see no
> benefit to remaining in the Incubator.
>
> I propose the following:
>
> - Graduate Apache Pony Mail as a TLP
> - Initial PMC: all current committers/PPMC members
> - PMC Chair: Rich Bowen (Note: if anyone else has a burning desire to do this, please speak up now. I’m willing, if nobody else is.)
>
> The draft Board resolution is included below for reference:
>
>
> Please vote:
>
> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Pony Mail to a TLP
> [ ] +0 No opinion
> [ ] -1 Do not graduate (please state reason)
>
> This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours.
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
>
>
>
> Draft resolution follows:
>
>
> DRAFT BOARD RESOLUTION — Establish Apache Pony Mail Project
> =============================================================
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Establish the Apache Pony Mail Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> maintenance of open-source software related to mail archiving, archive
> viewing, and mailing list interaction services, for distribution at no
> charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Pony Mail Project", be and hereby is
> established pursuant to the Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Pony Mail Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
> mail archiving, archive browsing, and mailing list interaction
> services; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Pony Mail" be and
> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Pony
> Mail Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the
> projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Pony Mail
> Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Pony Mail
> Project:
>
> * Daniel Gruno (humbedooh@apache.org)
> * Dave Fisher (wave@apache.org)
> * Jim Jagielski (jim@apache.org)
> * John D. Ament (johndament@apache.org)
> * Rich Bowen (rbowen@apache.org)
> * Sam Ruby (rubys@apache.org)
> * Sean Palmer (sbp@apache.org)
> * Sebb (sebb@apache.org)
> * Shane Curcuru (curcuru@apache.org)
> * Tony Stevenson (pctony@apache.org)
> * Ulises (ucb@apache.org)
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Rich Bowen (rbowen@)
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Pony Mail, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of
> Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation,
> retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is
> appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Pony Mail Project be and hereby is
> tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator
> Pony Mail podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> Pony Mail podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
> hereafter discharged.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Graduate Apache Pony Mail to a Top-Level Project
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Jul 11, 2026, at 8:08 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Jul 6, 2026, at 10:33 AM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I think we need confirmation from the list of PPMC members before we VOTE. Several of them are no longer subscribed to the private list.
>
> I’ve heard from everyone except Shane, Tony and Sam. My inclination is to leave them off, and then if/when they say “hey, what about me?” We can swiftly add them back.
I agree. Thanks.
Best,
Dave
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Graduate Apache Pony Mail to a Top-Level Project
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
> On Jul 6, 2026, at 10:33 AM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I think we need confirmation from the list of PPMC members before we VOTE. Several of them are no longer subscribed to the private list.
I’ve heard from everyone except Shane, Tony and Sam. My inclination is to leave them off, and then if/when they say “hey, what about me?” We can swiftly add them back.
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Graduate Apache Pony Mail to a Top-Level Project
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
> On Jul 6, 2026, at 10:33 AM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I think we need confirmation from the list of PPMC members before we VOTE. Several of them are no longer subscribed to the private list.
I’ll reach out to each individually.
>
>> On Jul 6, 2026, at 7:15 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Following the recent discussion on this list, I'd like to call a formal
>> vote on graduating Apache Pony Mail from the Incubator to a Top-Level
>> Project (TLP).
>>
>> Apache Pony Mail entered incubation in May 2016 — over ten years ago.
>> The project provides a mail-archiving, archive viewing, and interaction
>> service that is actively deployed at the ASF itself (lists.apache.org).
>> The codebase is mature, the project is self-governing, and we see no
>> benefit to remaining in the Incubator.
>>
>> I propose the following:
>>
>> - Graduate Apache Pony Mail as a TLP
>> - Initial PMC: all current committers/PPMC members
>> - PMC Chair: Rich Bowen (Note: if anyone else has a burning desire to do this, please speak up now. I’m willing, if nobody else is.)
>>
>> The draft Board resolution is included below for reference:
>>
>>
>> Please vote:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Pony Mail to a TLP
>> [ ] +0 No opinion
>> [ ] -1 Do not graduate (please state reason)
>>
>> This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> Draft resolution follows:
>>
>>
>> DRAFT BOARD RESOLUTION — Establish Apache Pony Mail Project
>> =============================================================
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Establish the Apache Pony Mail Project
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
>> of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
>> establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
>> maintenance of open-source software related to mail archiving, archive
>> viewing, and mailing list interaction services, for distribution at no
>> charge to the public.
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
>> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Pony Mail Project", be and hereby is
>> established pursuant to the Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Pony Mail Project be and hereby is
>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
>> mail archiving, archive browsing, and mailing list interaction
>> services; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Pony Mail" be and
>> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
>> direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Pony
>> Mail Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the
>> projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Pony Mail
>> Project; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
>> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Pony Mail
>> Project:
>>
>> * Daniel Gruno (humbedooh@apache.org)
>> * Dave Fisher (wave@apache.org)
>> * Jim Jagielski (jim@apache.org)
>> * John D. Ament (johndament@apache.org)
>> * Rich Bowen (rbowen@apache.org)
>> * Sam Ruby (rubys@apache.org)
>> * Sean Palmer (sbp@apache.org)
>> * Sebb (sebb@apache.org)
>> * Shane Curcuru (curcuru@apache.org)
>> * Tony Stevenson (pctony@apache.org)
>> * Ulises (ucb@apache.org)
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Rich Bowen (rbowen@)
>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Pony Mail, to
>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of
>> Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation,
>> retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is
>> appointed; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Pony Mail Project be and hereby is
>> tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator
>> Pony Mail podling; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache Incubator
>> Pony Mail podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
>> hereafter discharged.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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