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Posted to users@qpid.apache.org by Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> on 2015/07/01 17:50:00 UTC
Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP
0.34
Hi Matt,
As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce has created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages for ubuntu users:
https://launchpad.net/~qpid
However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to date - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build packages for ubuntu :(
If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can add them to the membership list.
-K
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> To: "users" <us...@qpid.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gs...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> >
> >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no other
> >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> >>
> >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website will be
> >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the mirrors.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> >
> >
> >
> Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing packages will
> be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
>
> Regards,
> Matt
>
>
>
> >
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Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Chris Richardson <cr...@fourc.eu>.
On 6 July 2015 at 18:08, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> crap - hit "send" by accident.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> > To: users@qpid.apache.org
> > Cc: "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 1:06:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release
> Qpid CPP 0.34
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> > > To: "users" <us...@qpid.apache.org>
> > > Cc: "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:46:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release
> Qpid
> > > CPP 0.34
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> > > > > To: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> > > > > Cc: users@qpid.apache.org, "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 12:10:24 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE]
> Release
> > > > Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Matt,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl
> Pierce
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID
> packages
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > ubuntu users:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://launchpad.net/~qpid
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this
> up to
> > > > date
> > > > > > - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build
> > > > packages
> > > > > > for ubuntu :(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I
> can
> > > > > > add
> > > > > > them to the membership list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -K
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Ken,
> > > > > I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages,
> but
> > > > was
> > > > > able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather
> that
> > > > > the
> > > > > issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian
> > > > > mentor?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful
> Ubuntu
> > > > > packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of
> these
> > > > cases
> > > > > the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them
> freedom
> > > > > to
> > > > > release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
> > > > > automate the creation of the packages.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up
> to
> > > > > date
> > > > > qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm also very keen on having the latest QPID releases easily
> available
> > > > for
> > > > Ubuntu. My work on Openstack would benefit from having the latest
> qpidd
> > > > and proton available as pre-build packages.
> > > >
> > > > While having qpid and proton packages in the official Debian and
> ubuntu
> > > > distros would be ideal, I'm not sure that should be our immediate
> goal.
> > > > Darryl spend a lot of time trying to get newer packages into Debian
> with
> > > > little to show for it. Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to
> take
> > > > that
> > > > on. But, more importantly, those distros are very slow to adopt
> newer
> > > > releases (especially Debian). While this is a Good Thing for Debian
> and
> > > > Ubuntu LTS users, I don't think it fits well with the QPID project's
> > > > release cadence.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I much prefer simply having a well maintained Launchpad
> PPA
> > > > for the Qpid project, and providing a link to it on the Qpid
> Downloads
> > > > page. Darryl has set up 2 PPAs for QPID: one for testing
> pre-released
> > > > packages and one for proper releases. Users who want to track the
> latest
> > > > can add the stable PPA to their system's repositories via
> > > > apt-add-repository. Users who would rather use a particular release
> can
> > > > simply download it via the web page.
> > > >
> > > > That said, it requires work to maintain that PPA. Packages would
> need to
> > > > be built (for what architectures?) for each release candidate as
> well as
> > > > for the final release. I suspect that's a non-trivial time and
> effort
> > > > commitment.
> > > >
> > > > -K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > I think you misunderstood what I was proposing. I don't think it's
> likely
> > > that these packages are going to get into ubuntu/debian official repos
> any
> > > time soon (afaict getting that to happen is basically a full time job!
> and
> > > closed atm to boot). I was saying that RabbitMQ, for example, as part
> of
> > > their release process runs a set of scripts that automatically
> generates
> > > packages and updates their self-hosted PPA (I imagine RethinkDB is also
> > > doing this).
> > >
> >
> > Ah, gotcha - sorry. I'm in complete agreement with you on this one.
> >
> >
> > > If something like that were possible for QPID that would be fantastic,
> as
> > > we might be able to script away the entire ordeal - thus reducing human
> > > bandwidth requirements here. I suppose I was inquiring as to whether
> that's
> > > something the project would be interested in (or even has the resources
> > > for)?
> > >
> >
> > +1
> >
> > We have something slightly analogous in the qpid c++ broker for building
> the
> > windows installer:
> >
> >
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/qpid/trunk/qpid/packaging/windows/
>
> We should keep a set of scripts in the source tree for building .debs (as
> well as rpms, etc).
>
Wouldn't this duplicate the existing functionality offered by CMake, which
can create deb, rpm and various standard archive types (not to mention
NullSoft installer for Windoze)? I've used this approach to create debs
myself and although it was a while back (0.28) I seem to recall it did
everything it should have done.
>
>
> > > Outside of that, I wrote a small guide in an issue of the debian
> packaging
> > > repo for proton (see:
> > > https://github.com/mcpierce/debian-qpid-proton/issues/4). Perhaps we
> could
> > > work together with Darryl to put together a more complete release
> guide,
> > > and begin to share the responsibility?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> > > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes,
> with no
> > > > other
> > > > > > > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The
> website
> > > > will be
> > > > > > > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to
> the
> > > > > > mirrors.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this,
> Robbie!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing
> > > > > > > packages
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > -K
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -K
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com>.
crap - hit "send" by accident.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> To: users@qpid.apache.org
> Cc: "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 1:06:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> > To: "users" <us...@qpid.apache.org>
> > Cc: "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:46:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
> > CPP 0.34
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> > > > Cc: users@qpid.apache.org, "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 12:10:24 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release
> > > Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Matt,
> > > > >
> > > > > As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce
> > > > > has
> > > > > created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages
> > > > > for
> > > > > ubuntu users:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://launchpad.net/~qpid
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to
> > > date
> > > > > - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
> > > > >
> > > > > While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build
> > > packages
> > > > > for ubuntu :(
> > > > >
> > > > > If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can
> > > > > add
> > > > > them to the membership list.
> > > > >
> > > > > -K
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ken,
> > > > I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but
> > > was
> > > > able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that
> > > > the
> > > > issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian
> > > > mentor?
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
> > > > packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these
> > > cases
> > > > the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom
> > > > to
> > > > release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
> > > > automate the creation of the packages.
> > > >
> > > > I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to
> > > > date
> > > > qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm also very keen on having the latest QPID releases easily available
> > > for
> > > Ubuntu. My work on Openstack would benefit from having the latest qpidd
> > > and proton available as pre-build packages.
> > >
> > > While having qpid and proton packages in the official Debian and ubuntu
> > > distros would be ideal, I'm not sure that should be our immediate goal.
> > > Darryl spend a lot of time trying to get newer packages into Debian with
> > > little to show for it. Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to take
> > > that
> > > on. But, more importantly, those distros are very slow to adopt newer
> > > releases (especially Debian). While this is a Good Thing for Debian and
> > > Ubuntu LTS users, I don't think it fits well with the QPID project's
> > > release cadence.
> > >
> > > Personally, I much prefer simply having a well maintained Launchpad PPA
> > > for the Qpid project, and providing a link to it on the Qpid Downloads
> > > page. Darryl has set up 2 PPAs for QPID: one for testing pre-released
> > > packages and one for proper releases. Users who want to track the latest
> > > can add the stable PPA to their system's repositories via
> > > apt-add-repository. Users who would rather use a particular release can
> > > simply download it via the web page.
> > >
> > > That said, it requires work to maintain that PPA. Packages would need to
> > > be built (for what architectures?) for each release candidate as well as
> > > for the final release. I suspect that's a non-trivial time and effort
> > > commitment.
> > >
> > > -K
> > >
> > >
> > Hey,
> >
> > I think you misunderstood what I was proposing. I don't think it's likely
> > that these packages are going to get into ubuntu/debian official repos any
> > time soon (afaict getting that to happen is basically a full time job! and
> > closed atm to boot). I was saying that RabbitMQ, for example, as part of
> > their release process runs a set of scripts that automatically generates
> > packages and updates their self-hosted PPA (I imagine RethinkDB is also
> > doing this).
> >
>
> Ah, gotcha - sorry. I'm in complete agreement with you on this one.
>
>
> > If something like that were possible for QPID that would be fantastic, as
> > we might be able to script away the entire ordeal - thus reducing human
> > bandwidth requirements here. I suppose I was inquiring as to whether that's
> > something the project would be interested in (or even has the resources
> > for)?
> >
>
> +1
>
> We have something slightly analogous in the qpid c++ broker for building the
> windows installer:
>
>
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/qpid/trunk/qpid/packaging/windows/
We should keep a set of scripts in the source tree for building .debs (as well as rpms, etc).
> > Outside of that, I wrote a small guide in an issue of the debian packaging
> > repo for proton (see:
> > https://github.com/mcpierce/debian-qpid-proton/issues/4). Perhaps we could
> > work together with Darryl to put together a more complete release guide,
> > and begin to share the responsibility?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no
> > > other
> > > > > > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website
> > > will be
> > > > > > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the
> > > > > mirrors.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing
> > > > > > packages
> > > > > will
> > > > > > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > > <javascript:;>
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> > > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > -K
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > -K
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Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com>.
crap - hit "send" by accident.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> To: users@qpid.apache.org
> Cc: "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 1:06:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> > To: "users" <us...@qpid.apache.org>
> > Cc: "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:46:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
> > CPP 0.34
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> > > > Cc: users@qpid.apache.org, "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 12:10:24 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release
> > > Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Matt,
> > > > >
> > > > > As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce
> > > > > has
> > > > > created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages
> > > > > for
> > > > > ubuntu users:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://launchpad.net/~qpid
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to
> > > date
> > > > > - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
> > > > >
> > > > > While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build
> > > packages
> > > > > for ubuntu :(
> > > > >
> > > > > If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can
> > > > > add
> > > > > them to the membership list.
> > > > >
> > > > > -K
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ken,
> > > > I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but
> > > was
> > > > able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that
> > > > the
> > > > issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian
> > > > mentor?
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
> > > > packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these
> > > cases
> > > > the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom
> > > > to
> > > > release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
> > > > automate the creation of the packages.
> > > >
> > > > I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to
> > > > date
> > > > qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm also very keen on having the latest QPID releases easily available
> > > for
> > > Ubuntu. My work on Openstack would benefit from having the latest qpidd
> > > and proton available as pre-build packages.
> > >
> > > While having qpid and proton packages in the official Debian and ubuntu
> > > distros would be ideal, I'm not sure that should be our immediate goal.
> > > Darryl spend a lot of time trying to get newer packages into Debian with
> > > little to show for it. Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to take
> > > that
> > > on. But, more importantly, those distros are very slow to adopt newer
> > > releases (especially Debian). While this is a Good Thing for Debian and
> > > Ubuntu LTS users, I don't think it fits well with the QPID project's
> > > release cadence.
> > >
> > > Personally, I much prefer simply having a well maintained Launchpad PPA
> > > for the Qpid project, and providing a link to it on the Qpid Downloads
> > > page. Darryl has set up 2 PPAs for QPID: one for testing pre-released
> > > packages and one for proper releases. Users who want to track the latest
> > > can add the stable PPA to their system's repositories via
> > > apt-add-repository. Users who would rather use a particular release can
> > > simply download it via the web page.
> > >
> > > That said, it requires work to maintain that PPA. Packages would need to
> > > be built (for what architectures?) for each release candidate as well as
> > > for the final release. I suspect that's a non-trivial time and effort
> > > commitment.
> > >
> > > -K
> > >
> > >
> > Hey,
> >
> > I think you misunderstood what I was proposing. I don't think it's likely
> > that these packages are going to get into ubuntu/debian official repos any
> > time soon (afaict getting that to happen is basically a full time job! and
> > closed atm to boot). I was saying that RabbitMQ, for example, as part of
> > their release process runs a set of scripts that automatically generates
> > packages and updates their self-hosted PPA (I imagine RethinkDB is also
> > doing this).
> >
>
> Ah, gotcha - sorry. I'm in complete agreement with you on this one.
>
>
> > If something like that were possible for QPID that would be fantastic, as
> > we might be able to script away the entire ordeal - thus reducing human
> > bandwidth requirements here. I suppose I was inquiring as to whether that's
> > something the project would be interested in (or even has the resources
> > for)?
> >
>
> +1
>
> We have something slightly analogous in the qpid c++ broker for building the
> windows installer:
>
>
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/qpid/trunk/qpid/packaging/windows/
We should keep a set of scripts in the source tree for building .debs (as well as rpms, etc).
> > Outside of that, I wrote a small guide in an issue of the debian packaging
> > repo for proton (see:
> > https://github.com/mcpierce/debian-qpid-proton/issues/4). Perhaps we could
> > work together with Darryl to put together a more complete release guide,
> > and begin to share the responsibility?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no
> > > other
> > > > > > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website
> > > will be
> > > > > > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the
> > > > > mirrors.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing
> > > > > > packages
> > > > > will
> > > > > > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@qpid.apache.org
> > > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@qpid.apache.org
> > > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > -K
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -K
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@qpid.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com>.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> To: "users" <us...@qpid.apache.org>
> Cc: "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:46:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> > > To: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> > > Cc: users@qpid.apache.org, "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 12:10:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release
> > Qpid CPP 0.34
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Matt,
> > > >
> > > > As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce has
> > > > created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages for
> > > > ubuntu users:
> > > >
> > > > https://launchpad.net/~qpid
> > > >
> > > > However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to
> > date
> > > > - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
> > > >
> > > > While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build
> > packages
> > > > for ubuntu :(
> > > >
> > > > If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can add
> > > > them to the membership list.
> > > >
> > > > -K
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Ken,
> > > I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but
> > was
> > > able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that the
> > > issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian mentor?
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
> > > packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these
> > cases
> > > the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom to
> > > release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
> > > automate the creation of the packages.
> > >
> > > I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to date
> > > qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> >
> >
> > I'm also very keen on having the latest QPID releases easily available for
> > Ubuntu. My work on Openstack would benefit from having the latest qpidd
> > and proton available as pre-build packages.
> >
> > While having qpid and proton packages in the official Debian and ubuntu
> > distros would be ideal, I'm not sure that should be our immediate goal.
> > Darryl spend a lot of time trying to get newer packages into Debian with
> > little to show for it. Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to take that
> > on. But, more importantly, those distros are very slow to adopt newer
> > releases (especially Debian). While this is a Good Thing for Debian and
> > Ubuntu LTS users, I don't think it fits well with the QPID project's
> > release cadence.
> >
> > Personally, I much prefer simply having a well maintained Launchpad PPA
> > for the Qpid project, and providing a link to it on the Qpid Downloads
> > page. Darryl has set up 2 PPAs for QPID: one for testing pre-released
> > packages and one for proper releases. Users who want to track the latest
> > can add the stable PPA to their system's repositories via
> > apt-add-repository. Users who would rather use a particular release can
> > simply download it via the web page.
> >
> > That said, it requires work to maintain that PPA. Packages would need to
> > be built (for what architectures?) for each release candidate as well as
> > for the final release. I suspect that's a non-trivial time and effort
> > commitment.
> >
> > -K
> >
> >
> Hey,
>
> I think you misunderstood what I was proposing. I don't think it's likely
> that these packages are going to get into ubuntu/debian official repos any
> time soon (afaict getting that to happen is basically a full time job! and
> closed atm to boot). I was saying that RabbitMQ, for example, as part of
> their release process runs a set of scripts that automatically generates
> packages and updates their self-hosted PPA (I imagine RethinkDB is also
> doing this).
>
Ah, gotcha - sorry. I'm in complete agreement with you on this one.
> If something like that were possible for QPID that would be fantastic, as
> we might be able to script away the entire ordeal - thus reducing human
> bandwidth requirements here. I suppose I was inquiring as to whether that's
> something the project would be interested in (or even has the resources
> for)?
>
+1
We have something slightly analogous in the qpid c++ broker for building the windows installer:
> Outside of that, I wrote a small guide in an issue of the debian packaging
> repo for proton (see:
> https://github.com/mcpierce/debian-qpid-proton/issues/4). Perhaps we could
> work together with Darryl to put together a more complete release guide,
> and begin to share the responsibility?
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no
> > other
> > > > > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website
> > will be
> > > > > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the
> > > > mirrors.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing packages
> > > > will
> > > > > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@qpid.apache.org
> > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@qpid.apache.org
> > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -K
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > -K
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com>.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> To: "users" <us...@qpid.apache.org>
> Cc: "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:46:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> > > To: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> > > Cc: users@qpid.apache.org, "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 12:10:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release
> > Qpid CPP 0.34
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Matt,
> > > >
> > > > As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce has
> > > > created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages for
> > > > ubuntu users:
> > > >
> > > > https://launchpad.net/~qpid
> > > >
> > > > However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to
> > date
> > > > - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
> > > >
> > > > While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build
> > packages
> > > > for ubuntu :(
> > > >
> > > > If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can add
> > > > them to the membership list.
> > > >
> > > > -K
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Ken,
> > > I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but
> > was
> > > able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that the
> > > issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian mentor?
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
> > > packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these
> > cases
> > > the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom to
> > > release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
> > > automate the creation of the packages.
> > >
> > > I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to date
> > > qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> >
> >
> > I'm also very keen on having the latest QPID releases easily available for
> > Ubuntu. My work on Openstack would benefit from having the latest qpidd
> > and proton available as pre-build packages.
> >
> > While having qpid and proton packages in the official Debian and ubuntu
> > distros would be ideal, I'm not sure that should be our immediate goal.
> > Darryl spend a lot of time trying to get newer packages into Debian with
> > little to show for it. Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to take that
> > on. But, more importantly, those distros are very slow to adopt newer
> > releases (especially Debian). While this is a Good Thing for Debian and
> > Ubuntu LTS users, I don't think it fits well with the QPID project's
> > release cadence.
> >
> > Personally, I much prefer simply having a well maintained Launchpad PPA
> > for the Qpid project, and providing a link to it on the Qpid Downloads
> > page. Darryl has set up 2 PPAs for QPID: one for testing pre-released
> > packages and one for proper releases. Users who want to track the latest
> > can add the stable PPA to their system's repositories via
> > apt-add-repository. Users who would rather use a particular release can
> > simply download it via the web page.
> >
> > That said, it requires work to maintain that PPA. Packages would need to
> > be built (for what architectures?) for each release candidate as well as
> > for the final release. I suspect that's a non-trivial time and effort
> > commitment.
> >
> > -K
> >
> >
> Hey,
>
> I think you misunderstood what I was proposing. I don't think it's likely
> that these packages are going to get into ubuntu/debian official repos any
> time soon (afaict getting that to happen is basically a full time job! and
> closed atm to boot). I was saying that RabbitMQ, for example, as part of
> their release process runs a set of scripts that automatically generates
> packages and updates their self-hosted PPA (I imagine RethinkDB is also
> doing this).
>
Ah, gotcha - sorry. I'm in complete agreement with you on this one.
> If something like that were possible for QPID that would be fantastic, as
> we might be able to script away the entire ordeal - thus reducing human
> bandwidth requirements here. I suppose I was inquiring as to whether that's
> something the project would be interested in (or even has the resources
> for)?
>
+1
We have something slightly analogous in the qpid c++ broker for building the windows installer:
> Outside of that, I wrote a small guide in an issue of the debian packaging
> repo for proton (see:
> https://github.com/mcpierce/debian-qpid-proton/issues/4). Perhaps we could
> work together with Darryl to put together a more complete release guide,
> and begin to share the responsibility?
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no
> > other
> > > > > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website
> > will be
> > > > > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the
> > > > mirrors.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing packages
> > > > will
> > > > > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > <javascript:;>
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> > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -K
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > -K
> >
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Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Matt Broadstone <mb...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> > To: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> > Cc: users@qpid.apache.org, "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 12:10:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release
> Qpid CPP 0.34
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Matt,
> > >
> > > As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce has
> > > created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages for
> > > ubuntu users:
> > >
> > > https://launchpad.net/~qpid
> > >
> > > However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to
> date
> > > - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
> > >
> > > While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build
> packages
> > > for ubuntu :(
> > >
> > > If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can add
> > > them to the membership list.
> > >
> > > -K
> > >
>
> >
> > Hi Ken,
> > I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but
> was
> > able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that the
> > issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian mentor?
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
> > packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these
> cases
> > the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom to
> > release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
> > automate the creation of the packages.
> >
> > I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to date
> > qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Matt
> >
>
>
> I'm also very keen on having the latest QPID releases easily available for
> Ubuntu. My work on Openstack would benefit from having the latest qpidd
> and proton available as pre-build packages.
>
> While having qpid and proton packages in the official Debian and ubuntu
> distros would be ideal, I'm not sure that should be our immediate goal.
> Darryl spend a lot of time trying to get newer packages into Debian with
> little to show for it. Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to take that
> on. But, more importantly, those distros are very slow to adopt newer
> releases (especially Debian). While this is a Good Thing for Debian and
> Ubuntu LTS users, I don't think it fits well with the QPID project's
> release cadence.
>
> Personally, I much prefer simply having a well maintained Launchpad PPA
> for the Qpid project, and providing a link to it on the Qpid Downloads
> page. Darryl has set up 2 PPAs for QPID: one for testing pre-released
> packages and one for proper releases. Users who want to track the latest
> can add the stable PPA to their system's repositories via
> apt-add-repository. Users who would rather use a particular release can
> simply download it via the web page.
>
> That said, it requires work to maintain that PPA. Packages would need to
> be built (for what architectures?) for each release candidate as well as
> for the final release. I suspect that's a non-trivial time and effort
> commitment.
>
> -K
>
>
Hey,
I think you misunderstood what I was proposing. I don't think it's likely
that these packages are going to get into ubuntu/debian official repos any
time soon (afaict getting that to happen is basically a full time job! and
closed atm to boot). I was saying that RabbitMQ, for example, as part of
their release process runs a set of scripts that automatically generates
packages and updates their self-hosted PPA (I imagine RethinkDB is also
doing this).
If something like that were possible for QPID that would be fantastic, as
we might be able to script away the entire ordeal - thus reducing human
bandwidth requirements here. I suppose I was inquiring as to whether that's
something the project would be interested in (or even has the resources
for)?
Outside of that, I wrote a small guide in an issue of the debian packaging
repo for proton (see:
https://github.com/mcpierce/debian-qpid-proton/issues/4). Perhaps we could
work together with Darryl to put together a more complete release guide,
and begin to share the responsibility?
Cheers,
Matt
>
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no
> other
> > > > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website
> will be
> > > > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the
> > > mirrors.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing packages
> > > will
> > > > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > <javascript:;>
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> > > <javascript:;>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -K
> > >
> >
>
> --
> -K
>
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Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Matt Broadstone <mb...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> > To: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> > Cc: users@qpid.apache.org, "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 12:10:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release
> Qpid CPP 0.34
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Matt,
> > >
> > > As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce has
> > > created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages for
> > > ubuntu users:
> > >
> > > https://launchpad.net/~qpid
> > >
> > > However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to
> date
> > > - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
> > >
> > > While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build
> packages
> > > for ubuntu :(
> > >
> > > If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can add
> > > them to the membership list.
> > >
> > > -K
> > >
>
> >
> > Hi Ken,
> > I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but
> was
> > able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that the
> > issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian mentor?
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
> > packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these
> cases
> > the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom to
> > release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
> > automate the creation of the packages.
> >
> > I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to date
> > qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Matt
> >
>
>
> I'm also very keen on having the latest QPID releases easily available for
> Ubuntu. My work on Openstack would benefit from having the latest qpidd
> and proton available as pre-build packages.
>
> While having qpid and proton packages in the official Debian and ubuntu
> distros would be ideal, I'm not sure that should be our immediate goal.
> Darryl spend a lot of time trying to get newer packages into Debian with
> little to show for it. Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to take that
> on. But, more importantly, those distros are very slow to adopt newer
> releases (especially Debian). While this is a Good Thing for Debian and
> Ubuntu LTS users, I don't think it fits well with the QPID project's
> release cadence.
>
> Personally, I much prefer simply having a well maintained Launchpad PPA
> for the Qpid project, and providing a link to it on the Qpid Downloads
> page. Darryl has set up 2 PPAs for QPID: one for testing pre-released
> packages and one for proper releases. Users who want to track the latest
> can add the stable PPA to their system's repositories via
> apt-add-repository. Users who would rather use a particular release can
> simply download it via the web page.
>
> That said, it requires work to maintain that PPA. Packages would need to
> be built (for what architectures?) for each release candidate as well as
> for the final release. I suspect that's a non-trivial time and effort
> commitment.
>
> -K
>
>
Hey,
I think you misunderstood what I was proposing. I don't think it's likely
that these packages are going to get into ubuntu/debian official repos any
time soon (afaict getting that to happen is basically a full time job! and
closed atm to boot). I was saying that RabbitMQ, for example, as part of
their release process runs a set of scripts that automatically generates
packages and updates their self-hosted PPA (I imagine RethinkDB is also
doing this).
If something like that were possible for QPID that would be fantastic, as
we might be able to script away the entire ordeal - thus reducing human
bandwidth requirements here. I suppose I was inquiring as to whether that's
something the project would be interested in (or even has the resources
for)?
Outside of that, I wrote a small guide in an issue of the debian packaging
repo for proton (see:
https://github.com/mcpierce/debian-qpid-proton/issues/4). Perhaps we could
work together with Darryl to put together a more complete release guide,
and begin to share the responsibility?
Cheers,
Matt
>
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no
> other
> > > > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website
> will be
> > > > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the
> > > mirrors.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing packages
> > > will
> > > > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@qpid.apache.org
> > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@qpid.apache.org
> > > <javascript:;>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -K
> > >
> >
>
> --
> -K
>
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>
Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com>.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> To: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> Cc: users@qpid.apache.org, "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 12:10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
>
> On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce has
> > created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages for
> > ubuntu users:
> >
> > https://launchpad.net/~qpid
> >
> > However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to date
> > - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
> >
> > While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build packages
> > for ubuntu :(
> >
> > If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can add
> > them to the membership list.
> >
> > -K
> >
> >
> Hi Ken,
> I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but was
> able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that the
> issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian mentor?
>
> I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
> packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these cases
> the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom to
> release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
> automate the creation of the packages.
>
> I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to date
> qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Matt
>
I'm also very keen on having the latest QPID releases easily available for Ubuntu. My work on Openstack would benefit from having the latest qpidd and proton available as pre-build packages.
While having qpid and proton packages in the official Debian and ubuntu distros would be ideal, I'm not sure that should be our immediate goal. Darryl spend a lot of time trying to get newer packages into Debian with little to show for it. Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to take that on. But, more importantly, those distros are very slow to adopt newer releases (especially Debian). While this is a Good Thing for Debian and Ubuntu LTS users, I don't think it fits well with the QPID project's release cadence.
Personally, I much prefer simply having a well maintained Launchpad PPA for the Qpid project, and providing a link to it on the Qpid Downloads page. Darryl has set up 2 PPAs for QPID: one for testing pre-released packages and one for proper releases. Users who want to track the latest can add the stable PPA to their system's repositories via apt-add-repository. Users who would rather use a particular release can simply download it via the web page.
That said, it requires work to maintain that PPA. Packages would need to be built (for what architectures?) for each release candidate as well as for the final release. I suspect that's a non-trivial time and effort commitment.
-K
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no other
> > > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > > >>
> > > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website will be
> > > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the
> > mirrors.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing packages
> > will
> > > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@qpid.apache.org
> > <javascript:;>
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@qpid.apache.org
> > <javascript:;>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > -K
> >
>
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Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com>.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Broadstone" <mb...@gmail.com>
> To: "Ken Giusti" <kg...@redhat.com>
> Cc: users@qpid.apache.org, "Qpid Dev" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 12:10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
>
> On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce has
> > created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages for
> > ubuntu users:
> >
> > https://launchpad.net/~qpid
> >
> > However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to date
> > - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
> >
> > While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build packages
> > for ubuntu :(
> >
> > If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can add
> > them to the membership list.
> >
> > -K
> >
> >
> Hi Ken,
> I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but was
> able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that the
> issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian mentor?
>
> I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
> packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these cases
> the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom to
> release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
> automate the creation of the packages.
>
> I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to date
> qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Matt
>
I'm also very keen on having the latest QPID releases easily available for Ubuntu. My work on Openstack would benefit from having the latest qpidd and proton available as pre-build packages.
While having qpid and proton packages in the official Debian and ubuntu distros would be ideal, I'm not sure that should be our immediate goal. Darryl spend a lot of time trying to get newer packages into Debian with little to show for it. Personally, I don't have the bandwidth to take that on. But, more importantly, those distros are very slow to adopt newer releases (especially Debian). While this is a Good Thing for Debian and Ubuntu LTS users, I don't think it fits well with the QPID project's release cadence.
Personally, I much prefer simply having a well maintained Launchpad PPA for the Qpid project, and providing a link to it on the Qpid Downloads page. Darryl has set up 2 PPAs for QPID: one for testing pre-released packages and one for proper releases. Users who want to track the latest can add the stable PPA to their system's repositories via apt-add-repository. Users who would rather use a particular release can simply download it via the web page.
That said, it requires work to maintain that PPA. Packages would need to be built (for what architectures?) for each release candidate as well as for the final release. I suspect that's a non-trivial time and effort commitment.
-K
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no other
> > > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > > >>
> > > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website will be
> > > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the
> > mirrors.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing packages
> > will
> > > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@qpid.apache.org
> > <javascript:;>
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@qpid.apache.org
> > <javascript:;>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > -K
> >
>
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Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Matt Broadstone <mb...@gmail.com>.
On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi Matt,
>
> As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce has
> created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages for
> ubuntu users:
>
> https://launchpad.net/~qpid
>
> However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to date
> - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
>
> While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build packages
> for ubuntu :(
>
> If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can add
> them to the membership list.
>
> -K
>
>
Hi Ken,
I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but was
able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that the
issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian mentor?
I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these cases
the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom to
release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
automate the creation of the packages.
I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to date
qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
Thoughts?
Matt
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > >
> > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no other
> > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > >>
> > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website will be
> > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the
> mirrors.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing packages
> will
> > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@qpid.apache.org
> <javascript:;>
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@qpid.apache.org
> <javascript:;>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> --
> -K
>
Re: Qpid packages for Ubuntu, was Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid
CPP 0.34
Posted by Matt Broadstone <mb...@gmail.com>.
On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Ken Giusti <kg...@redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi Matt,
>
> As you pointed out, and in case others are unaware, Darryl Pierce has
> created a Personal Package Archive containing various QPID packages for
> ubuntu users:
>
> https://launchpad.net/~qpid
>
> However, I'm not sure of Darryl's availability for keeping this up to date
> - which explains why there hasn't been an update for 0.34.
>
> While I'm also a member of this PPA, I have no idea how to build packages
> for ubuntu :(
>
> If someone's willing to help out by building these packages - I can add
> them to the membership list.
>
> -K
>
>
Hi Ken,
I have incredibly limited experience with building these packages, but was
able to build (and update) Daryls packages previously. I gather that the
issue with timing for previous releases revolved around a Debian mentor?
I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I've seen more successful Ubuntu
packaging efforts from e.g. rethinkdb and rabbitmq. In each of these cases
the project hosts the package repo themselves, affording them freedom to
release when they want, and (at least in rabbitmqs case) completely
automate the creation of the packages.
I would definitely love to have an in depth conversation about up to date
qpid packages, as we depend upon them.
Thoughts?
Matt
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt Broadstone" <mbroadst@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: "users" <users@qpid.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:59:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Qpid CPP 0.34
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Sim <gsim@redhat.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > On 06/29/2015 02:19 PM, Robbie Gemmell wrote:
> > >
> > >> This vote is now closed. There were 6 binding +1 votes, with no other
> > >> votes received. The vote has passed.
> > >>
> > >> I will add the files to the dist release svn repo. The website will be
> > >> updated later after the artifacts have had time to sync to the
> mirrors.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Thanks for standing in as the release manager for this, Robbie!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Fantastics news! Is there any idea yet when the qpid-testing packages
> will
> > be updated to 0.34 in Darryl's ubuntu PPA?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@qpid.apache.org
> <javascript:;>
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@qpid.apache.org
> <javascript:;>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> --
> -K
>