[Bug 120585] New: when decrease indent for bullet,the bullet will go out of page range.

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https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120585

          Priority: P3
            Bug ID: 120585
          Assignee: ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org
           Summary: when decrease indent for bullet,the bullet will go out
                    of page range.
          Severity: normal
        Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
    Classification: Application
                OS: All
          Reporter: bjdujing@gmail.com
          Hardware: All
            Status: CONFIRMED
           Version: AOO 3.4.0
         Component: formatting
           Product: word processor

build info:OOo-dev3.4.1_r1354891

steps:
1.launch oo and new a text document
2.input many line text and apply one type bullet
3.click "Decrease indent"button in toolbar
  the bullet will go out of page range,but in Micro Soft 2003 word,it
not.suggest fix it as a enhancement for more good user experience of AOO.

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--- Comment #3 from Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com> ---
While I'm not qualified to speak to the validity of negative or positive bullet
margin values within the specification, I feel I can comment on the user
experience.

Conceptually, here is how I see the bullet margins relative to the page
element. I feel the page margins define a canvas within which a document author
can capture and organize their thoughts and ideas. I see bullets or numbered
lists as a formatting action that help an author structure the information
design of their document. Indentation of bullets and numbered lists is an
additional positional formatting action that assists in establishing a visual
and information hierarchy for the content.

>From a user experience and usability perspective, I feel that we should provide
user control and freedom to increase or decrease the indentation of bullets
within the available, margin-defined area. This will allow a user to use
bullets and indentation in combination to structure their information - which
is the main goal. Our design solution should also be mindful to prevent errors,
or prevent the user from entering a state which does not support their
formatting goals or information design goals. Bullets extending off the page
(either negative or positive), may create a situation where the user is unable
to understand the system status, as the content is not visible, and where is
may be difficult to recover. 

In summary, I would recommend
- that we keep the bullets within the margin-defined document work area
- that we allow the user to position the bullets anywhere within this area, but
not beyond (negative, nor positive)

Keep it simple, keep it predictable. 
-

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--- Comment #2 from liangweike <we...@cs2c.com.cn> ---
Hi all,
Another phenomenon is that when increasing the indentation the text will not go
outside the right bound.
So from my personal point of view, the negative left margin is not permitted.
And in the meanwhile I welcome more discussion from every side.

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Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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                 CC|                            |debin.lei@gmail.com,
                   |                            |kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com,
                   |                            |liushenf@gmail.com

--- Comment #1 from Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com> ---
move my comments from 120236.

Oliver, Weike & Du Jing,
  I have several questions regarding to this issue:

1. Is it valid for negative value to appear as left margin according to ODF
standard or MS binary or OOXML standard? IMO, This question belong to
interoperability/fidelity.
2. I agree with Oliver that we need UX recommendation on the behavior. We
should know in which situation the negative value will appear. And will it be
any situation that users really EXPECT the negative value?
3. If the answer to 1. is NO, it will be a tolerant question on how should we
handle the unexpected negative value. (also need UX recommendation)

  Thanks!

And added related developers and UX to cc list.

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