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Posted to dev@lucene.apache.org by Erik Hatcher <er...@gmail.com> on 2010/05/04 00:21:08 UTC
Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable Solr/Lucene development
Can we please not use the word "stable"/"unstable" for these things?
Thanks,
Erik
On May 3, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Uwe Schindler wrote:
> stable_31
>
> after that stable_32 (if ever comes before 4.0)
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael McCandless [mailto:lucene@mikemccandless.com]
>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:57 PM
>> To: dev@lucene.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable
>> Solr/Lucene development
>>
>> Yeah, I think so?
>>
>> How about naming it stable_3x?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Uwe Schindler <uw...@thetaphi.de>
>> wrote:
>>> So you mean the Tag as branch?
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Michael McCandless [mailto:lucene@mikemccandless.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:40 PM
>>>> To: dev@lucene.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable
>>>> Solr/Lucene development
>>>>
>>>> How about we cut the stable branch from just before flex landed?
>>>>
>>>> Then we can revert any changes from stable, and port back any
>> changes
>>>> from unstable/trunk, over time.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Steven A Rowe <sa...@syr.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>>> March 23: Create new Lu-Solr development folder
>>>>> <http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=926572>
>>>>>
>>>>> April 6: LUCENE-2370: Reintegrate flex_1458 branch into trunk
>>>> (revision 931101)
>>>>> <http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=931278>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/30/2010 at 3:00 PM, Shai Erera wrote:
>>>>>> I would take the last rev just before the first rev when flex
>>>> landed,
>>>>>> so that in includes as much as possible. I don't know though
>> which
>>>> rev
>>>>>> is it and whether it was before/after the lucene/solr merge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shai
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2010, Chris Hostetter
>>>> <ho...@fucit.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Cut a stable branch off of trunk back before flex landed.
>>>> Does
>>>>>>>> anyone have any suggestions of which rev...?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> shouldn't this just be the same as the
>>>> lucene/java/branches/lucene_3_0
>>>>>>> branch that already exists? ... but with solr merged in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Hoss
>>>>>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable Solr/Lucene development
Posted by Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org>.
On May 4, 2010, at 1:46 AM, Chris Hostetter wrote:
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> : +1 on calling them 3x and trunk. Then as 3.1, 3.2 etc are released, we
> : create appropriate branches + tags, like today.
> :
> : IMO, the words stable/unstable add nothing but confusion.
+1
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Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable Solr/Lucene
development
Posted by Chris Hostetter <ho...@fucit.org>.
: +1 on calling them 3x and trunk. Then as 3.1, 3.2 etc are released, we
: create appropriate branches + tags, like today.
:
: IMO, the words stable/unstable add nothing but confusion.
+1
-Hoss
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Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable Solr/Lucene
development
Posted by Shai Erera <se...@gmail.com>.
+1 on calling them 3x and trunk. Then as 3.1, 3.2 etc are released, we
create appropriate branches + tags, like today.
IMO, the words stable/unstable add nothing but confusion.
Shai
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:57 AM, Uwe Schindler <uw...@thetaphi.de> wrote:
> I will start tomorrow morning MET to create the branch and merge CTA and
> some other issues made by me - hopefully we have a good name until this
> time. Renaming after the branching is a bad idea, as this makes merge logs
> hard to understand. I will also copy the Hudson configs after creating the
> branch.
>
> After that I am on vacation until next Wednesday, this is why I want to do
> it tomorrow morning!
>
> Uwe
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael McCandless [mailto:lucene@mikemccandless.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:32 AM
> > To: dev@lucene.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable
> > Solr/Lucene development
> >
> > I think maint sends the wrong message, ie, dev should be active (not
> > just maintenance) on the stable branch.
> >
> > We could just do 3x (ie drop "stable_" from it)?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Marvin Humphrey
> > <ma...@rectangular.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 06:21:08PM -0400, Erik Hatcher wrote:
> > >> Can we please not use the word "stable"/"unstable" for these things?
> > >
> > > One possibility: "maint_31", "maint_32", etc.
> > >
> > > Marvin Humphrey
> > >
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RE: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable Solr/Lucene development
Posted by Uwe Schindler <uw...@thetaphi.de>.
I will start tomorrow morning MET to create the branch and merge CTA and some other issues made by me - hopefully we have a good name until this time. Renaming after the branching is a bad idea, as this makes merge logs hard to understand. I will also copy the Hudson configs after creating the branch.
After that I am on vacation until next Wednesday, this is why I want to do it tomorrow morning!
Uwe
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael McCandless [mailto:lucene@mikemccandless.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:32 AM
> To: dev@lucene.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable
> Solr/Lucene development
>
> I think maint sends the wrong message, ie, dev should be active (not
> just maintenance) on the stable branch.
>
> We could just do 3x (ie drop "stable_" from it)?
>
> Mike
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Marvin Humphrey
> <ma...@rectangular.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 06:21:08PM -0400, Erik Hatcher wrote:
> >> Can we please not use the word "stable"/"unstable" for these things?
> >
> > One possibility: "maint_31", "maint_32", etc.
> >
> > Marvin Humphrey
> >
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Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable Solr/Lucene
development
Posted by Mark Miller <ma...@gmail.com>.
I still think stable/unstable makes perfect sense - and its used plenty
in this manner elsewhere.
I think it's already widely understood that unstable does not mean
"buggy and prone to crash" in this context. It means the code is rapidly
changing - possibly in fundamental ways. Some think that it may warn
users off trunk - but if it does, thats rightly so - when huge changes
like Flex hit unstable, its bound to have bugs. Its bound to have
problems that will be fixed over time. By the time it makes it to
stable, most of the issues will be worked out, and that will be the time
that most users should be getting on board.
The stable branch's changes will be much less drastic, or "hairy". The
majority of the code will be code that has been out for a while and
proven, or new features that are built on that proven code. As the rules
of back compat are lifted, trunk is likely to become even more unstable
than it has been in the past - and deserving the title IMO.
stable: resistant to change of position or condition
unstable: lacking stability or fixity or firmness
On 05/03/2010 07:32 PM, Michael McCandless wrote:
> I think maint sends the wrong message, ie, dev should be active (not
> just maintenance) on the stable branch.
>
> We could just do 3x (ie drop "stable_" from it)?
>
> Mike
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Marvin Humphrey<ma...@rectangular.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 06:21:08PM -0400, Erik Hatcher wrote:
>>
>>> Can we please not use the word "stable"/"unstable" for these things?
>>>
>> One possibility: "maint_31", "maint_32", etc.
>>
>> Marvin Humphrey
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable Solr/Lucene development
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
> > One possibility: "maint_31", "maint_32", etc.
> I think maint sends the wrong message, ie, dev should be active (not
> just maintenance) on the stable branch.
>
> We could just do 3x (ie drop "stable_" from it)?
If the intent is a single branch named "3x" rather than multiple branches
named e.g. "31", "32"... then here's my non-binding +1.
Marvin Humphrey
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Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable Solr/Lucene
development
Posted by Michael McCandless <lu...@mikemccandless.com>.
I think maint sends the wrong message, ie, dev should be active (not
just maintenance) on the stable branch.
We could just do 3x (ie drop "stable_" from it)?
Mike
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 06:21:08PM -0400, Erik Hatcher wrote:
>> Can we please not use the word "stable"/"unstable" for these things?
>
> One possibility: "maint_31", "maint_32", etc.
>
> Marvin Humphrey
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Re: [VOTE] Take 2: Open up a separate line for unstable Solr/Lucene development
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 06:21:08PM -0400, Erik Hatcher wrote:
> Can we please not use the word "stable"/"unstable" for these things?
One possibility: "maint_31", "maint_32", etc.
Marvin Humphrey
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