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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com> on 2013/03/14 18:20:37 UTC
Wiki Content Licensing
I bring this up because as I look at the wiki there is no copyright notice nor does a search bring up a link to a copyright notice on the wiki. Is the wiki content licensed under the Apache License 2.0 like the manuals or does it fall under some other licensing?
The reason I ask is that a number of us have participated in creating a case studies of Apache CloudStack successes and the documents are done and ready to publish.
Ideally we would like to publish these docs (non-commercial purely factual) on the wiki(https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home) but we want to do this under the Creative Commons by SA 3.0 license (attribution to point back to the CloudStack wiki) so that people can use them and remix them to help promote ACS. I know the manuals are licensed under the Apache License 2.0 but there is no copyright or licensing information on the wiki that I can see.
We suggest using the CCbySA license for these particular documents since when the case studies are redistributed it's a well understood documentation license and a checkbox license at places like ScribD etc. Our goal would be to have people reblog them and distribute the news of CloudStack success and not have to worry about copyright infringement etc.
Thanks, Mark
Re: Wiki Content Licensing
Posted by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:34 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 3/14/13 1:27 PM, "David Nalley" <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I bring this up because as I look at the wiki there is no copyright
>>>> notice nor does a search bring up a link to a copyright notice on the
>>>> wiki. Is the wiki content licensed under the Apache License 2.0 like the
>>>> manuals or does it fall under some other licensing?
>>>>
>>>> The reason I ask is that a number of us have participated in creating
>>>> a case studies of Apache CloudStack successes and the documents are done
>>>> and ready to publish.
>>>>
>>>> Ideally we would like to publish these docs (non-commercial purely
>>>> factual) on the
>>>> wiki(https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home) but we
>>>> want to do this under the Creative Commons by SA 3.0 license
>>>> (attribution to point back to the CloudStack wiki) so that people can
>>>> use them and remix them to help promote ACS. I know the manuals are
>>>> licensed under the Apache License 2.0 but there is no copyright or
>>>> licensing information on the wiki that I can see.
>>>>
>>>> We suggest using the CCbySA license for these particular documents
>>>> since when the case studies are redistributed it's a well understood
>>>> documentation license and a checkbox license at places like ScribD etc.
>>>> Our goal would be to have people reblog them and distribute the news of
>>>> CloudStack success and not have to worry about copyright infringement
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> So we've discussed this more generally previously on this list and on
>>> legal-discuss.
>>>
>>> See the answer from Greg Stein here on legal-discuss:
>>> http://markmail.org/message/wswgys56yelbd44f
>>>
>>> And Brett Porter on cloudstack-dev
>>> http://markmail.org/message/nt6ouekqwvvthnfs
>>>
>>> --David
>>
>> Yes, the discussion did happen and Brett noted that anything developed
>> under an external source needed to retain that license. But it didn't
>> clarify if documentation developed under an external source and another
>> license could be posted to an Apache wiki if it wasn't in violation of the
>> license of the document.
>>
>> My suggestion is that the license for the wiki be spelled out *on the
>> wiki* so some poor sap who wanders onto the wiki and doesn't find the
>> conversation from August 9th, 2012 knows how they are allowed to use the
>> content posted there and how the content they post there will be licensed.
>>
>> In lieu of an answer on the case studies we'll just license under Apache
>> License 2.0Š
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
> Yeah and I think that still stands. The author(s) can obviously define
> any license. However, if it is presented as a production of the
> project, I think the expectation is ASLv2 for licenses.
> I agree the content should be clearly licensed - I have access to the
> stylesheet that gets generated if you (or anyone else) wants to hack
> on it.
>
> --David
Does it also apply to a pdf that we attach to the wiki page ?
Re: Wiki Content Licensing
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
> On 3/14/13 1:27 PM, "David Nalley" <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
>
>
>>On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>
>>wrote:
>>> I bring this up because as I look at the wiki there is no copyright
>>>notice nor does a search bring up a link to a copyright notice on the
>>>wiki. Is the wiki content licensed under the Apache License 2.0 like the
>>>manuals or does it fall under some other licensing?
>>>
>>> The reason I ask is that a number of us have participated in creating
>>>a case studies of Apache CloudStack successes and the documents are done
>>> and ready to publish.
>>>
>>> Ideally we would like to publish these docs (non-commercial purely
>>>factual) on the
>>>wiki(https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home) but we
>>>want to do this under the Creative Commons by SA 3.0 license
>>>(attribution to point back to the CloudStack wiki) so that people can
>>>use them and remix them to help promote ACS. I know the manuals are
>>>licensed under the Apache License 2.0 but there is no copyright or
>>>licensing information on the wiki that I can see.
>>>
>>> We suggest using the CCbySA license for these particular documents
>>>since when the case studies are redistributed it's a well understood
>>>documentation license and a checkbox license at places like ScribD etc.
>>>Our goal would be to have people reblog them and distribute the news of
>>>CloudStack success and not have to worry about copyright infringement
>>>etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mark
>>
>>
>>So we've discussed this more generally previously on this list and on
>>legal-discuss.
>>
>>See the answer from Greg Stein here on legal-discuss:
>>http://markmail.org/message/wswgys56yelbd44f
>>
>>And Brett Porter on cloudstack-dev
>>http://markmail.org/message/nt6ouekqwvvthnfs
>>
>>--David
>
> Yes, the discussion did happen and Brett noted that anything developed
> under an external source needed to retain that license. But it didn't
> clarify if documentation developed under an external source and another
> license could be posted to an Apache wiki if it wasn't in violation of the
> license of the document.
>
> My suggestion is that the license for the wiki be spelled out *on the
> wiki* so some poor sap who wanders onto the wiki and doesn't find the
> conversation from August 9th, 2012 knows how they are allowed to use the
> content posted there and how the content they post there will be licensed.
>
> In lieu of an answer on the case studies we'll just license under Apache
> License 2.0Š
>
>
> Mark
>
>
Yeah and I think that still stands. The author(s) can obviously define
any license. However, if it is presented as a production of the
project, I think the expectation is ASLv2 for licenses.
I agree the content should be clearly licensed - I have access to the
stylesheet that gets generated if you (or anyone else) wants to hack
on it.
--David
Re: Wiki Content Licensing
Posted by Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>.
On 3/14/13 1:27 PM, "David Nalley" <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
>On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>
>wrote:
>> I bring this up because as I look at the wiki there is no copyright
>>notice nor does a search bring up a link to a copyright notice on the
>>wiki. Is the wiki content licensed under the Apache License 2.0 like the
>>manuals or does it fall under some other licensing?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that a number of us have participated in creating
>>a case studies of Apache CloudStack successes and the documents are done
>> and ready to publish.
>>
>> Ideally we would like to publish these docs (non-commercial purely
>>factual) on the
>>wiki(https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home) but we
>>want to do this under the Creative Commons by SA 3.0 license
>>(attribution to point back to the CloudStack wiki) so that people can
>>use them and remix them to help promote ACS. I know the manuals are
>>licensed under the Apache License 2.0 but there is no copyright or
>>licensing information on the wiki that I can see.
>>
>> We suggest using the CCbySA license for these particular documents
>>since when the case studies are redistributed it's a well understood
>>documentation license and a checkbox license at places like ScribD etc.
>>Our goal would be to have people reblog them and distribute the news of
>>CloudStack success and not have to worry about copyright infringement
>>etc.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Mark
>
>
>So we've discussed this more generally previously on this list and on
>legal-discuss.
>
>See the answer from Greg Stein here on legal-discuss:
>http://markmail.org/message/wswgys56yelbd44f
>
>And Brett Porter on cloudstack-dev
>http://markmail.org/message/nt6ouekqwvvthnfs
>
>--David
Yes, the discussion did happen and Brett noted that anything developed
under an external source needed to retain that license. But it didn't
clarify if documentation developed under an external source and another
license could be posted to an Apache wiki if it wasn't in violation of the
license of the document.
My suggestion is that the license for the wiki be spelled out *on the
wiki* so some poor sap who wanders onto the wiki and doesn't find the
conversation from August 9th, 2012 knows how they are allowed to use the
content posted there and how the content they post there will be licensed.
In lieu of an answer on the case studies we'll just license under Apache
License 2.0Š
Mark
Re: Wiki Content Licensing
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
> I bring this up because as I look at the wiki there is no copyright notice nor does a search bring up a link to a copyright notice on the wiki. Is the wiki content licensed under the Apache License 2.0 like the manuals or does it fall under some other licensing?
>
> The reason I ask is that a number of us have participated in creating a case studies of Apache CloudStack successes and the documents are done and ready to publish.
>
> Ideally we would like to publish these docs (non-commercial purely factual) on the wiki(https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Home) but we want to do this under the Creative Commons by SA 3.0 license (attribution to point back to the CloudStack wiki) so that people can use them and remix them to help promote ACS. I know the manuals are licensed under the Apache License 2.0 but there is no copyright or licensing information on the wiki that I can see.
>
> We suggest using the CCbySA license for these particular documents since when the case studies are redistributed it's a well understood documentation license and a checkbox license at places like ScribD etc. Our goal would be to have people reblog them and distribute the news of CloudStack success and not have to worry about copyright infringement etc.
>
>
> Thanks, Mark
So we've discussed this more generally previously on this list and on
legal-discuss.
See the answer from Greg Stein here on legal-discuss:
http://markmail.org/message/wswgys56yelbd44f
And Brett Porter on cloudstack-dev
http://markmail.org/message/nt6ouekqwvvthnfs
--David