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Posted to general@attic.apache.org by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> on 2021/04/16 11:08:47 UTC
Patch for "How to avoid moving to the Attic"
Hi Attic team,
Recent discussions with ASF members indicate that not all our
community members are aware of how to avoid the Attic.
How about adding the below patch to http://attic.apache.org/ to help
clarify that?
I also discussed this with Rich Bowen who might write a more extensive
blog post on the topic, and if that happens we might just link to it
from that section later.
-Bertrand
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are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are
all good candidates for the Attic. </p>
</section>
+<section id="avoiding">
+ <title>How to avoid moving to the Attic?</title>
+ <p>
+ As long as a project has three active PMC members and fulfills
its reporting duties it can be viable from the ASF's point of view,
even if its activity is very low.
+ </p>
+ <p>
+ Sometimes, PMC members leaving a project would result in less
than three of them remaining, but community members are willing to
continue
+ maintaining the project. In such a case the best, if possible, is
to elect a few of them to the PMC to keep it viable.
+ </p>
+ <p>
+ If that does not happen, the ASF's Board of Directors can
"reboot" a PMC by re-establishing it with a new or modified roster. As
an example,
+ see the <a
href="https://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2019/board_minutes_2019_02_20.txt">Board
resolution to reboot the Apache Xalan PMC</a>
+ in the February 2019 Board minutes.
+ </p>
+
+</section>
+
<section id="process">
Re: Patch for "How to avoid moving to the Attic"
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 5:08 PM Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...I have suggested that now on the comdev list, search for "Why
> would a project move to the Attic?" at [1].
That's now live at https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#move-to-attic
If Attic folks can add a link to that from http://attic.apache.org/
that would be great.
-Bertrand
[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r0e61ef10eadb69e531f61f4e25e51487e7fa32254f95032446c0f860%40%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E
Re: Patch for "How to avoid moving to the Attic"
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 1:05 AM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:>
> I believe that dev/pmc.html is a good place to put whatever information we want to make available...
Indeed, I have suggested that now on the comdev list, search for "Why
would a project move to the Attic?" at [1].
-Bertrand
[1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@community.apache.org:2021-4
Re: Patch for "How to avoid moving to the Attic"
Posted by Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>.
I believe that dev/pmc.html is a good place to put whatever information we want to make available.
Putting information on the attic site is like posting a notice on the train station saying "You might want to look at going to the airport".
I'd recommend having a section in dev/pmc.html like "How to keep your project and community healthy".
And not asking the Attic folks for advice how to avoid it.
Craig
> On Apr 16, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 3:02 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Where is the Attic suggested as a destination? ...
>
> Good question, which leads to https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html
>
> The "How To Perform A PMC Roll Call" section there mentions the attic,
> I agree that best would be to separate the pure Attic information from
> the roll call description, and we can then add the "how to avoid the
> Attic" info there. And then point attic.apache.org to it for reference
> information.
>
> I've put this on my (long) todo list ;-)
>
> -Bertrand
Craig L Russell
clr@apache.org
Re: Patch for "How to avoid moving to the Attic"
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 3:02 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Where is the Attic suggested as a destination? ...
Good question, which leads to https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html
The "How To Perform A PMC Roll Call" section there mentions the attic,
I agree that best would be to separate the pure Attic information from
the roll call description, and we can then add the "how to avoid the
Attic" info there. And then point attic.apache.org to it for reference
information.
I've put this on my (long) todo list ;-)
-Bertrand
Re: Patch for "How to avoid moving to the Attic"
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
Where is the Attic suggested as a destination?
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 at 13:50, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 2:32 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...Seems to me the information belongs upstream, before the Attic is even
> > considered as a destination...
>
> Maybe, but where? If someone has a suggestion for a good place I'm
> open to it, and attic.a.o might then link to that.
>
> -Bertrand
Re: Patch for "How to avoid moving to the Attic"
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 2:32 PM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Seems to me the information belongs upstream, before the Attic is even
> considered as a destination...
Maybe, but where? If someone has a suggestion for a good place I'm
open to it, and attic.a.o might then link to that.
-Bertrand
Re: Patch for "How to avoid moving to the Attic"
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
The Attic does not try to grab projects for itself, so I'm not sure
that the information belongs on the Attic site.
Seems to me the information belongs upstream, before the Attic is even
considered as a destination.
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 at 12:13, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Attic team,
>
> Recent discussions with ASF members indicate that not all our
> community members are aware of how to avoid the Attic.
>
> How about adding the below patch to http://attic.apache.org/ to help
> clarify that?
>
> I also discussed this with Rich Bowen who might write a more extensive
> blog post on the topic, and if that happens we might just link to it
> from that section later.
>
> -Bertrand
>
>
> Index: xdocs/index.xml
> ===================================================================
> --- xdocs/index.xml (revision 1888823)
> +++ xdocs/index.xml (working copy)
> @@ -78,6 +78,23 @@
> are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are
> all good candidates for the Attic. </p>
> </section>
>
> +<section id="avoiding">
> + <title>How to avoid moving to the Attic?</title>
> + <p>
> + As long as a project has three active PMC members and fulfills
> its reporting duties it can be viable from the ASF's point of view,
> even if its activity is very low.
> + </p>
> + <p>
> + Sometimes, PMC members leaving a project would result in less
> than three of them remaining, but community members are willing to
> continue
> + maintaining the project. In such a case the best, if possible, is
> to elect a few of them to the PMC to keep it viable.
> + </p>
> + <p>
> + If that does not happen, the ASF's Board of Directors can
> "reboot" a PMC by re-establishing it with a new or modified roster. As
> an example,
> + see the <a
> href="https://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2019/board_minutes_2019_02_20.txt">Board
> resolution to reboot the Apache Xalan PMC</a>
> + in the February 2019 Board minutes.
> + </p>
> +
> +</section>
> +
> <section id="process">