Move along people, move along...

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Re: Move along people, move along...

[Berin Loritsch <bl...@d-haven.org>]

Stephen McConnell wrote:

> Stefano:
> 
> The best and easiest way to do this is to be simply honest. Is that such
> a difficult criteria?  It simply means that the Chair makes a
> recommendation to the Board of Directors to close the project.  No
> gloss, no lies, no twisting of the facts, and no procedural abuse. 
> 
> Do this with just a little bit dignity and honesty.
> 
> Stephen.

I may be wrong, but isn't that what happened?  No gloss, no lies, no
twisting of facts, and no procedural abuse.


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RE: Move along people, move along...

[Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:stefano@apache.org]
> Sent: 03 November 2004 17:52
> To: Avalon Developers List
> Subject: Re: Move along people, move along...
> 
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 03 November 2004 17:44, Leo Simons wrote:
> >
> >>The Pest Control Team
> >>
> >>PS: we are deeply sorry if you find the above message even remotely
> >>humorous. This is a serious business, and The Pest Control Team
takes
> >>its job very seriously.
> >
> >
> > Even if the irony and humor is apparent and enjoyable, one should
> perhaps "act
> > as one speak".
> >
> > In this case it is Steve, who has tough skin and don't get let down
by
> this
> > sort of 'mobbing', but seriously where is the limit Leo?
> > Is it a majority thing? Enough many bullies and then it is Ok to
hack on
> > anyone who is different and for whatever reason has no means to
defend
> > him/herself and/or noone else stands up for them??
> >
> > Doesn't it ring a bell from school, in your case not too long ago?
> 
> I always enjoy Leo's humor, but I agree with Niclas that things are
> going a little bit too far.
> 
> Look, the thing is simple: the avalon project *finally* decided, by
lazy
> consensus, that they want to end the pain and move on and Aaron (St.
> Aaron, I should say) is acting to find the best/easiest way to do it.

Stefano:

The best and easiest way to do this is to be simply honest. Is that such
a difficult criteria?  It simply means that the Chair makes a
recommendation to the Board of Directors to close the project.  No
gloss, no lies, no twisting of the facts, and no procedural abuse. 

Do this with just a little bit dignity and honesty.

Stephen.




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Re: Move along people, move along...

[Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>]

Niclas Hedhman wrote:

> On Wednesday 03 November 2004 17:44, Leo Simons wrote:
> 
>>The Pest Control Team
>>
>>PS: we are deeply sorry if you find the above message even remotely
>>humorous. This is a serious business, and The Pest Control Team takes
>>its job very seriously.
> 
> 
> Even if the irony and humor is apparent and enjoyable, one should perhaps "act 
> as one speak".
> 
> In this case it is Steve, who has tough skin and don't get let down by this 
> sort of 'mobbing', but seriously where is the limit Leo?
> Is it a majority thing? Enough many bullies and then it is Ok to hack on 
> anyone who is different and for whatever reason has no means to defend 
> him/herself and/or noone else stands up for them??
> 
> Doesn't it ring a bell from school, in your case not too long ago?

I always enjoy Leo's humor, but I agree with Niclas that things are 
going a little bit too far.

Look, the thing is simple: the avalon project *finally* decided, by lazy 
consensus, that they want to end the pain and move on and Aaron (St. 
Aaron, I should say) is acting to find the best/easiest way to do it.

We have bulgarian consensus that the pain was inflicted by Stephen's 
inability to agree to disagree or to accept compromises.

Stephen keeps reiterating this with every action he undertakes, 
jeopardizing even the allies he once had.

Now, please, tell me why.

Is he committing political suicide? Or he's just blindly obnoxious? Or 
he just enjoys arguing about procedural details when nobody else is?

I honestly don't know.

Of all the things I regret about avalon, one I don't: the name, there 
was never a better name for a project than this.

-- 
Stefano.

Re: Move along people, move along...

[Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>]

On Wednesday 03 November 2004 17:44, Leo Simons wrote:
> The Pest Control Team
>
> PS: we are deeply sorry if you find the above message even remotely
> humorous. This is a serious business, and The Pest Control Team takes
> its job very seriously.

Even if the irony and humor is apparent and enjoyable, one should perhaps "act 
as one speak".

In this case it is Steve, who has tough skin and don't get let down by this 
sort of 'mobbing', but seriously where is the limit Leo?
Is it a majority thing? Enough many bullies and then it is Ok to hack on 
anyone who is different and for whatever reason has no means to defend 
him/herself and/or noone else stands up for them??

Doesn't it ring a bell from school, in your case not too long ago?


Cheers
Niclas
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